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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2015 18:33:41 GMT -5
No pot stirring here and mods can delete or move as needed, BUT, I would truly like to know how other areas of the U.S. handle the issue of open carry (hand- or long-guns visibly displayed, i.e. holstered or shoulder slung) with and/or without carry permits. If open carry is permitted where you live, do you see much? Our new rules begin January 1 so I want to gauge the likelihood of experiencing that. The Texas legislature enacted some very confused and confusing legislation this year which is sort of an opt-out situation in which private businesses, governmental entities, non-profits (including churches) can opt-out of permitting carry of open/concealed, permitted/non-permitted weapons . To opt out, a business/governmental location/church has to put up some pretty pricey bi-lingual signs. Right now our local zoo allows weapons because of legal restrictions. A major Texas grocery chain and a REALLY major local shopping venue came out with a gun ban yesterday. What's happening in your neck of the woods?
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 25, 2015 19:38:39 GMT -5
I don't care one way or the other. I carry concealed most if the time. Even in places of worship where it's forbidden because I'm sure those places have "sitting duck " written all over them.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Dec 25, 2015 19:48:54 GMT -5
I live in a very pro-gun state and I love it. But I am one of those crazy conservatives, so my opinion probably doesn't count
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Post by Shooby on Dec 25, 2015 20:19:41 GMT -5
I am in PA. I have seen people walking around with rifles all of my life.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 25, 2015 22:06:30 GMT -5
Yup. I don't go looking for trouble. But I refuse to be a victim either.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Dec 25, 2015 22:35:48 GMT -5
I wasn't raised with guns and live in Massachusetts where it is common to vet our kids' friends by asking the parents if they keep guns in their homes. Here, "open carry" is understood to mean alcoholic beverages. That said, there is a very real chance that DS2 may go to college in a gun-friendly state. I guess I'd better have some conversations with him... I should add that I have been giving thought to joining my town's gun club and learning how to shoot. Because of the potential of a zombie apocolypse and all.
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Post by Apple on Dec 25, 2015 22:57:51 GMT -5
Our gun range is in the basement of the senior center, so...
Oregon allows open carry, concealed carry, full auto, etc. Outside of hunting, guns in the gun rack of a pickup, and areas where people target shoot, I've very rarely seen a gun open-carry. Gun racks seem to be a lot less popular now even--when I went to school, there were several pickups parked along the high school with guns in the back, because the guys would go hunting or shooting after school. It was common for someone in wood shop to build a gun cabinet, and if he needed measurements for the rests or something, the shop teacher would ask if the kid had the gun in the pickup, and if so, just go grab it, bring it in the back door, and get the measurements you need.
In public, I just assume I'm surrounded by people carrying, it's just not a big deal. I can only think of one time I've seen a pistol open carried by someone not in uniform, and he was an off-duty cop who always open carried. Most of us prefer no one know for sure, so we conceal carry.
If you're walking downtown carrying a rifle trying to be a hotshot, we don't think you're "just exercising your rights", we think you look like a dumbass, rights or not. But, it could be the difference of the gun culture here, having a gun is really no big deal.
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Post by Apple on Dec 25, 2015 23:02:04 GMT -5
Oh, I can say that one of the thrift shops put up a sign saying "no guns" a year or two ago (definitely not a pricey one though, just a piece of paper with marker). They almost had to close because their business completely dropped. People respected their right not to have guns in the store, but it would mean they wouldn't be going into the store at all since they always carried. When the owner of the store finally figured it out, they replaced the "no guns" sign with a sign that said "licensed conceal carry only". Business went back up.
There are some places you cannot carry... bars, court house, federal buildings. But as a responsible gun owner, you are expected to read the rules and follow them.
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Post by cronewitch on Dec 25, 2015 23:08:26 GMT -5
I don't know I never heard we weren't allowed to carry guns. How else would we transport them? I don't have a concealed permit so would just carry them in my hands if I needed to take them some place. Almost everyone has guns at home so if you want to shoot them you need to take them somewhere else unless you can shoot at home. All most all the women in my family shoot and most of the men hunt. My nieces get together to go to the gun range to shoot. Mom went to the range once a year when she worked and had a gun at work, required to protect her work. My niece's son is getting a gun safe for Christmas today from his girl friend. He is in the National Guard I think they make them shoot guns, seems like a fine hobby.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Dec 26, 2015 2:18:07 GMT -5
I wasn't raised with guns and live in Massachusetts where it is common to vet our kids' friends by asking the parents if they keep guns in their homes. Here, "open carry" is understood to mean alcoholic beverages. That said, there is a very real chance that DS2 may go to college in a gun-friendly state. I guess I'd better have some conversations with him... I should add that I have been giving thought to joining my town's gun club and learning how to shoot.
Because of the potential of a zombie apocolypse and all. Feel free to come over my house - you can shoot in my back yard
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Post by tractor on Dec 26, 2015 8:18:58 GMT -5
Michigan has been open carry for a long time. However, you very rairly seen anyone doing it. It has been making the news lately as a few groups are trying to stir the pot by open carrying everywhere they go (public meetings, schools) and they have been getting press coverage. For example, right now it's illegal to conceal carry in a school, but open carry is legal. They are working to change that. Businesses have the right to put signs up prohibiting open carry in their store, but you almost never see a sign.
I have my CCL, but never carry as I'm not allowed to at work, so I leave my pistol at home unless traveling over a long distance.
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Post by milee on Dec 26, 2015 8:57:10 GMT -5
I don't know I never heard we weren't allowed to carry guns. How else would we transport them? I don't have a concealed permit so would just carry them in my hands if I needed to take them some place. Gun laws vary hugely by state, so you'd need to know your state laws. In Florida, you'd transport them in a case if they were within reach (the case is what technically makes them "inaccessible") or if you didn't have a case, you could put them in the trunk of your car. You could take a gun without a case in and out of the trunk without a case at your home and certain other allowed places - like gun ranges.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 26, 2015 9:01:51 GMT -5
I think open carry is fine. But a lot of people do concealed carry so i just assume that a lot of people have guns.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 9:21:06 GMT -5
I don't know I never heard we weren't allowed to carry guns. How else would we transport them? I don't have a concealed permit so would just carry them in my hands if I needed to take them some place. Almost everyone has guns at home so if you want to shoot them you need to take them somewhere else unless you can shoot at home. All most all the women in my family shoot and most of the men hunt. My nieces get together to go to the gun range to shoot. Mom went to the range once a year when she worked and had a gun at work, required to protect her work. My niece's son is getting a gun safe for Christmas today from his girl friend. He is in the National Guard I think they make them shoot guns, seems like a fine hobby. Open carry isn't legal in MN, If you want to transport, it must be in a case. The open carry laws (at least in MN) just apply to public places, so it doesn't effect hunting and shooting ranges and such. During deer hunting season, the open carry doesn't apply to state forests.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 9:33:15 GMT -5
I have never had a problem with anyone in my 70 years and don't know anyother people that have. Just don't see that much of a need to carry guns around and yes we have quite a few in our home. Yeah, me either. Lots of people have guns around here, but the only thing I've ever heard of anyone needing to shoot outside of hunting season is skunks and possums. I don't mind either one of them passing through.
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Post by Apple on Dec 26, 2015 10:12:14 GMT -5
I take a lot of walks in areas with cougars and bears. So, yeah, when I'm doing that, I carry. Never had to use it, but I'd rather have it than wish I'd had it. Most of the bears would wander off, but we've had the cougars (mountain lions) stalk people.
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Post by resolution on Dec 26, 2015 10:25:38 GMT -5
There has always been open carry in the state where I grew up, so it is not alarming to see a holstered gun on someone that looks appropriate, like a rancher or someone obviously working out in the mountains. I have always felt uncomfortable and on guard when someone in city clothes with a gun belt and holstered gun would come into a restaurant and sit in the bar area. Mostly because there wasn't an obvious reason for the gun. Fortunately that has always been quite rare.
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Post by Bonny on Dec 26, 2015 10:49:58 GMT -5
My introduction to "open carry" was when we moved from the very liberal (and gun unfriendly) SF Bay Area to AZ.
Our little town hall had a sign that stated "No Weapons Allowed". I kept imagining a scene out of the Naked Gun where it would take people 15 minutes to shed themselves of all their guns, knives, et cetera.
The town adjacent to ours likes to pride itself on how "western" it is. People come out all decked out in their western attire including guns. I doubt any of them have touched a cow. And I never understood why anyone thought bringing a gun into one of the local bars was a good idea.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 26, 2015 10:57:40 GMT -5
Oh, I can say that one of the thrift shops put up a sign saying "no guns" a year or two ago (definitely not a pricey one though, just a piece of paper with marker). They almost had to close because their business completely dropped. People respected their right not to have guns in the store, but it would mean they wouldn't be going into the store at all since they always carried. When the owner of the store finally figured it out, they replaced the "no guns" sign with a sign that said "licensed conceal carry only". Business went back up. There are some places you cannot carry... bars, court house, federal buildings. But as a responsible gun owner, you are expected to read the rules and follow them. The highlighted is what I don't get. It is in federal buildings and court houses where open/concealed carry laws are approved and enacted and upheld by legal challenges. Why should those locations be safe from a deranged or angry gun owner while the rest of us are exposed to them out in the public. Law makers and judges should have the same odds of being shot as the rest of us no matter where they are located. They are no more special than we are.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 11:07:53 GMT -5
They spend a disproportionate amount of time with criminals I would think...
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Post by Cookies Galore on Dec 26, 2015 11:15:02 GMT -5
I'm in SE PA, so when I hear "open carry," like GRG, I'm more likely to think brazenly walking around outside with an adult beverage than gun. It's just not a thing around here. I know plenty of people who own guns, and some do probably conceal carry for all I know, but I have never seen anyone walk around with a hunting rifle or anything.
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Post by cronewitch on Dec 26, 2015 16:05:45 GMT -5
It makes me feel funny seeing someone with a gun in a holster, honestly think its kind of silly.
I take a weapon when I travel in the motorhome but it stays in there and its generally not loaded as I had DD with me. The ammo was right beside it in an easy accessible tray. I have a concealed carry in Indiana also. I also have a metal club for hitting my tires which would be dangerous and a filet knife that could slice someone open its so sharp, in my side pocket. First they would have to get in the thing which isn't all that easy and I don't go places that are iffy.
I have never had a problem with anyone in my 70 years and don't know anyother people that have. Just don't see that much of a need to carry guns around and yes we have quite a few in our home. I don't most of the time. I had a concealed carry when I had to carry a lot of cash for work to the bank but never had an issue. When I lived in apartments and owned land in the country we would take some rifles and carry them a block or two to the car to take them out to shoot on our land. If it was illegal to carry guns they don't tell people about it so it must be legal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 16:33:05 GMT -5
I think even if it wasn't illegal I would probably case a rifle or shotgun for transport just because it's more convenient. Kind of like it's not illegal to carry my son's trombone but we always case it because its easier to carry and protects it from bumps and scrapes.
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Post by mroped on Dec 26, 2015 16:36:31 GMT -5
I'd assume that if it is a place(town, state) that it doesn't specify that displaying a weapon in any way is illegal, then you can move your weapon around. Be it to or from your residence or vehicle. A lot of this rests in the way you carry the weapon: in a case or even in the open, hanging on your shoulder while you behave casually, it means you are no threat to anyone. If you hang it on your chest or cradle it in your arms and fingers on the trigger guard then I see why one would think you may not have good intentions and that's when people either scatter or call the LEOs. A pistol/revolver should not/is not a big deal: you are just carrying but show no intention of harm on anybody and it may be that you have a permit or is part of your job. Hold it in your hand and the game changes!
Generaly I'm ok with people with weapons unless is in an area that doesn't make sense: school, in a shopping mall or restaurant and so on. Would be stupid not to be somewhat afraid but not necessarily scared. It is part of the culture so I consider it normal. Arround here- central Pa- people have guns and plenty of, but except for LEOs I've never seen someone carrying a weapon( talking about pistols and revolvers) out in the open. Exception is hunting season when it seems that there is nothing but guns,guns,guns!
Ocasionaly, I go shooting my rifles or pistol in the woods and to do that I just put them in the truck, no cases, nothing. Very few people that I know are in fact transporting their weapons in cases. There is no real estate auction without the sale of guns! The fire company has an annual raffle ticket for guns and is a whole day event. There are benefits for private schools or individuals where weapons are sold. Very few of this transactions have in fact paperwork done. Most of it is just "pay the man and get your gun as long as you are 21"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 18:04:03 GMT -5
Thanks for all the great observations. Here in Texas we've had licensed concealed carry for a long time, with certain exceptions like bars, courthouse, churches, etc. This year the legislature (bless their pea-pickin' little hearts) authorized open carry, meaning that duly licensed individuals can carry unconcealed weapons. Long guns - rifles, shotguns, AK's - are apparently open carry without licensing because we don't license them at all. Establishments wishing to "opt out" of allowing guns on premises must post big signs with letters at least 1" tall in English and Spanish stating no guns. FYI, our duly elected officials like reps, senators, judges do carry and are allowed to have their weapons in the courthouse, etc. And the local zoo had to quit banning guns because they lease their site from the city and there's some obscure provision in City law that says they can't ban it. I don't think we'll see a lot of guns but like many of you have said, there are always some who want to make a show of it. I think the fun might wear off a little when it's 95 degrees and 98% humidity in the summer. I use to carry but it's a PITA because what do you do with it when going in a location that prohibits - leave it in the car with car theft a far greater risk than personal attack? Earlier this year I started looking at guns and found a biometric gun safe I could have bolted into the framework of my car but that sucker cost almost as much as the damn gun I wanted. Then the creeps would just get a cutting torch and ........ I don't worry too much at church because my new house of worship has numerous armed off-duty officers on the campus whenever services are held. And that's one hell of a sad commentary on our society!
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Post by ktunes on Dec 27, 2015 2:06:02 GMT -5
in ga open carry is not allowed unless you have a carry permit...there are some exceptions that confuse the matter though... on occasion i see some open carry, typically it does not bother me...sometimes it makes me shake my head like when a guy is going into the quick trip with a holster on his gym shorts about pulling them off...
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 27, 2015 6:30:18 GMT -5
Thanks for all the great observations. Here in Texas we've had licensed concealed carry for a long time, with certain exceptions like bars, courthouse, churches, etc. This year the legislature (bless their pea-pickin' little hearts) authorized open carry, meaning that duly licensed individuals can carry unconcealed weapons. Long guns - rifles, shotguns, AK's - are apparently open carry without licensing because we don't license them at all. Establishments wishing to "opt out" of allowing guns on premises must post big signs with letters at least 1" tall in English and Spanish stating no guns. FYI, our duly elected officials like reps, senators, judges do carry and are allowed to have their weapons in the courthouse, etc. And the local zoo had to quit banning guns because they lease their site from the city and there's some obscure provision in City law that says they can't ban it. I don't think we'll see a lot of guns but like many of you have said, there are always some who want to make a show of it. I think the fun might wear off a little when it's 95 degrees and 98% humidity in the summer. I use to carry but it's a PITA because what do you do with it when going in a location that prohibits - leave it in the car with car theft a far greater risk than personal attack? Earlier this year I started looking at guns and found a biometric gun safe I could have bolted into the framework of my car but that sucker cost almost as much as the damn gun I wanted. Then the creeps would just get a cutting torch and ........ I don't worry too much at church because my new house of worship has numerous armed off-duty officers on the campus whenever services are held. And that's one hell of a sad commentary on our society! I need to worship where you do.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Dec 27, 2015 10:22:05 GMT -5
I'm not up on what the gun laws are where I live, but I don't see open carry. Perhaps if I went out into the country, it would be different.
Seeing someone open carry probably wouldn't bother me for the most part, but in some cases it might bug me a little, like in Church. I don't see any reason why someone would need to open carry at church or in a school. I work on a military installation, so no one is allowed to have guns except the security personnel.
But in a restaurant or store of something, I'd figure they were hunting and stopping to get something to eat or buy something, and wouldn't think much of it.
Concealed carry doesn't bother me all, why would I worry it if I can't see it?
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Post by teen persuasion on Dec 27, 2015 16:41:17 GMT -5
I'm not up on what the gun laws are where I live, but I don't see open carry. Perhaps if I went out into the country, it would be different. Seeing someone open carry probably wouldn't bother me for the most part, but in some cases it might bug me a little, like in Church. I don't see any reason why someone would need to open carry at church or in a school. I work on a military installation, so no one is allowed to have guns except the security personnel. But in a restaurant or store of something, I'd figure they were hunting and stopping to get something to eat or buy something, and wouldn't think much of it. Concealed carry doesn't bother me all, why would I worry it if I can't see it? & I'm out in the country, I know that there are many hunters around here, so I expect to see them with hunting weapons, but I don't see handguns at all. I guess I'll have to pay better attention next time I see Chief S around town, to see if he is armed. I often hear guns fired, either hunters or my next door neighbor practicing (he's either police or prison security), and there is a rod and gun club nearby. Gun raffles are a popular fund raiser among the volunteer fire companies, but actual guns are not won, just vouchers. Again, primarily hunting weapons. Someone was telling me about a coworker showing her a new purse with a secret pocket to conceal a handgun. The one showing her the purse was an agent, though. The person relating the story doesn't own guns at all - that was kind of the point of her story - to us the desire to even own a gun is completely foreign, let alone want to carry it with you out and about.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Dec 27, 2015 16:54:50 GMT -5
I want to be able to carry a samurai sword. Much more elegant.
Open carry is legal in my state. I've seen people do it, and it is what it is. I've never personally seen anything larger than a handgun, but if I go a bit further south I'm sure I will. Not sure how I feel about people being able to carry gigantic assault weapons.
My fear is allowing them in bars. That just seems like a recipe for disaster.
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