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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 19:25:33 GMT -5
I have acquaintances here in TX who claim that the castle doctrine which allows weapons in homes has been found applicable to weapons carry in a personal vehicle so they carry their weapons in a briefcase in their car without carry permits. I personally don't care to fight that one in court if stopped and subjected to a vehicle search which law enforcement can do. A permit and class costs about $200 or so around here and that's cheap enough to avoid the hassle if I want to have a gun in my car.
I was pleased today to see that the local Episcopal diocese officially banned either open or concealed carry in all churches in the diocese.
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Post by daisy on Jan 11, 2016 19:56:35 GMT -5
I have acquaintances here in TX who claim that the castle doctrine which allows weapons in homes has been found applicable to weapons carry in a personal vehicle so they carry their weapons in a briefcase in their car without carry permits. I personally don't care to fight that one in court if stopped and subjected to a vehicle search which law enforcement can do. A permit and class costs about $200 or so around here and that's cheap enough to avoid the hassle if I want to have a gun in my car. I was pleased today to see that the local Episcopal diocese officially banned either open or concealed carry in all churches in the diocese. With respect to your feelings - I have to admit that if I were a church-goer, that would terrify me. What I've noticed is that places that proclaim themselves gun-free are magnets for people who decide to wreak havoc on their fellow humans. Schools, offices, churches, federal buildings, movie theatres....it seems that advertising that no one in that space is allowed to have a legally-registered, legally carried gun means that someone without respect to the law can claim as many victims as they like - until LEO show up. I am by no means intending to argue - as I said, I respect your feelings, but those are places I avoid like the plague. As I mentioned, DH open carries in the grocery store - and he has had many people tell him that if someone walked into the store and started shooting...they'd be diving behind him! He chuckles, because he is no superman and would be just as worried about getting his own butt out the back door...but think about the thought process that unarmed people have around a legally armed person - YOU will save me! Better we are all trained and possess the ability to save ourselves!
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Post by milee on Jan 11, 2016 20:39:28 GMT -5
That's the same reason I have a CCW permit, too. DH is into guns, is a Range Safety Officer at the local range, participates in Three Gun and Action Pistol competitions, etc. I'm competent at using them mainly because I've gone with DH and the boys as a family thing, but if/when I ever live alone, I won't own a gun. We keep all guns and ammunition in a safe at home and guns aren't really my thing. All that being said, several times when DH and I would switch cars in the past, I'd open the trunk, glove box, back seat etc and discover that since I had his car that "I" was carrying a concealed weapon. It just seemed like a good way to avoid unnecessary hassle to get my permit even though I have no plans to ever carry a gun. so then, DON'T call you Annie Oakley?
No. I'm not interested enough in them to put in the consistent hours of practice that it takes to be a great shot. One of my favorites, though, was when I took my oldest teen son for a weekend long range, traditional no-scope marksmanship clinic (my attempts at bonding since he's a teen and his only real interests right now are computers, guns and being surly - so I'm trying for common ground and experiences). One of the ending exercises was the equivalent of a "head shot" at 200 yards with a .22. Not remotely world record stuff, but not easy, either. I was one of only 2 in the class that got the shot even though I was the only woman in the class - yes, that tiny woman in the yoga pants next to all the huge guys wearing tactical gear was me - and the only one who showed up and wasn't able to tell the instructor what type of gun I had without looking at the writing on it. I'm pretty sure that head shot thing was luck but I haven't told that to my son since he thought it was pretty cool and it's something we still joke about.
I'm like your wife. Not really interested in guns but as long as DH keeps them safe, it's not something I'm opposed enough to to fight about.
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Post by gregintenn on Jan 11, 2016 21:08:33 GMT -5
I have acquaintances here in TX who claim that the castle doctrine which allows weapons in homes has been found applicable to weapons carry in a personal vehicle so they carry their weapons in a briefcase in their car without carry permits. I personally don't care to fight that one in court if stopped and subjected to a vehicle search which law enforcement can do. A permit and class costs about $200 or so around here and that's cheap enough to avoid the hassle if I want to have a gun in my car. I was pleased today to see that the local Episcopal diocese officially banned either open or concealed carry in all churches in the diocese. With respect to your feelings - I have to admit that if I were a church-goer, that would terrify me. What I've noticed is that places that proclaim themselves gun-free are magnets for people who decide to wreak havoc on their fellow humans. Schools, offices, churches, federal buildings, movie theatres....it seems that advertising that no one in that space is allowed to have a legally-registered, legally carried gun means that someone without respect to the law can claim as many victims as they like - until LEO show up. I am by no means intending to argue - as I said, I respect your feelings, but those are places I avoid like the plague. As I mentioned, DH open carries in the grocery store - and he has had many people tell him that if someone walked into the store and started shooting...they'd be diving behind him! He chuckles, because he is no superman and would be just as worried about getting his own butt out the back door...but think about the thought process that unarmed people have around a legally armed person - YOU will save me! Better we are all trained and possess the ability to save ourselves! I can't recall a recent mass shooting that wasn't conducted in a posted "gun free zone". It seems that criminals don't read signs any better than they obey laws.
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Post by wyouser on Jan 12, 2016 12:13:15 GMT -5
Wyoming is open carry and a concealed permit is not required. Like Deminmaine Grew up where guns were everywhere especially in the back windows of pickup trucks. I'll never forget the 1972 election year. Was downtown in Mitchell SD where George Mc Govern was set to address a crowd in front of the Corn Palace. The Davison County Sherrif was standing next to me and chuckling. I asked him what was so funny. He told me to look up on top of the Corn Palace and also at the rooftops on Main Street above the podiuim where McGovern was to speak. "See the Secret Service guys up there?" I sad yes. He told me they were going nuts because every vehicle parked in town that day had rifles or shotguns either on the seat or hanging in the back window. He told me those guys didn't have a clue that the candidate , on that day, was probably safer there in Mitchell SD than most other places in the US.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 13:13:33 GMT -5
Except for hunters I think I have only seen someone openly carrying here once in my life. It made me a little uncomfortable because just not something I'm used to seeing. Dh has some guns from his dad and has been wanting me to learn to shoot for years. It's just not something I'm comfortable with but last summer I finally took a couple shots. The first one went over targets head and the second one got him in the neck. Dh wanted me to keep shooting but that was good enough for me- done with it.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 12, 2016 13:53:39 GMT -5
I was raised around guns, my dad hunted and shot targets. I probably first shot off a gun at 12, at a turkey shoot. The shot knocked me on my butt!
But when I got into shooting was really when I was in the wheelchair. I needed something to do that I could do sitting on my butt. Since then, I got my own gun and go shooting up at the range about once/mo. I have a CWP, probably 40+ classroom hours and twice that in range hours, shooting at both moving and stationary targets.
It is not an inexpensive hobby, but a skill I have enjoyed acquiring.
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Post by daisy on Jan 12, 2016 15:24:24 GMT -5
Except for hunters I think I have only seen someone openly carrying here once in my life. It made me a little uncomfortable because just not something I'm used to seeing. Dh has some guns from his dad and has been wanting me to learn to shoot for years. It's just not something I'm comfortable with but last summer I finally took a couple shots. The first one went over targets head and the second one got him in the neck. Dh wanted me to keep shooting but that was good enough for me- done with it. Come up north a bit and we can make soap and go out shooting afterwards! J/K - I understand that there are some people who are uncomfortable with shooting....just like I can't do roller coasters, they make me sick every time, so I stand and watch when everyone else gets on and enjoy their fun vicariously.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 3:52:08 GMT -5
Except for hunters I think I have only seen someone openly carrying here once in my life. It made me a little uncomfortable because just not something I'm used to seeing. Dh has some guns from his dad and has been wanting me to learn to shoot for years. It's just not something I'm comfortable with but last summer I finally took a couple shots. The first one went over targets head and the second one got him in the neck. Dh wanted me to keep shooting but that was good enough for me- done with it. Come up north a bit and we can make soap and go out shooting afterwards! J/K - I understand that there are some people who are uncomfortable with shooting....just like I can't do roller coasters, they make me sick every time, so I stand and watch when everyone else gets on and enjoy their fun vicariously. Soap making, shooting, and then rollercoasters? I love them, what a weekend! Seriously if I lived in a more rural area I would probably force myself to learn to shoot. I don't feel the need to now but completely understand it can be a good skill to have.
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Post by bobosensei on Jan 15, 2016 8:47:20 GMT -5
This has been a surprise for me just getting back to Georgia. I guess it shouldn't be because I grew up here, and seeing gun racks on trucks was a daily occurrence out in the country. I hadn't been back a full 24 hours before I saw a guy sitting by the window at chickfila with his gun on his hip. I was in the drive through so the gun was right by my head. I wasn't scared, but it felt weird. Since then I've started looking for them and I see them quite a bit. I find it unsettling because of what could happen, but honestly in any of the particular times I've seen someone with a gun in public I've felt like I could tell from their body language that they aren't going to start randomly firing it off. My real concern though is not being shot intentionally by someone carrying a gun, but in getting caught in the crosshairs if someone tries to be a hero. BIL told me people are pulling guns for things that don't warrant it, and just because someone can legally carry doesn't make them a good shot. So I think it is more likely that someone gets accidentally shot by a person carrying a gun who thinks that they have good intentions.
With that said DH has announced that I'm getting a gun when he gets home. His dad has been keeping his shotgun for him which he used to keep loaded in the closet, but he wants his dad (a certified firearms instructor) to teach me how to shoot. I'm not totally opposed to guns in the house as we don't have kids yet, but I don't believe in them being accessible with kids around and honestly if they are properly stored what is the point in having them? You can't always get to them in time.
My sister was given a gun by her MIL, but her husband keeps it hidden from her. She wants to learn to shoot because her job involves locking up child sex offenders, and one guy that she had to go to court and testify against for some horrible stuff is currently out on bail. Now I am nervous being here at her house. Her dogs are absolutely worthless too. They don't bark at anything and when strangers come into the house they don't even get up off the couch. So there is no advanced warning of anything.
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Post by daisy on Jan 17, 2016 13:59:44 GMT -5
This has been a surprise for me just getting back to Georgia. I guess it shouldn't be because I grew up here, and seeing gun racks on trucks was a daily occurrence out in the country. I hadn't been back a full 24 hours before I saw a guy sitting by the window at chickfila with his gun on his hip. I was in the drive through so the gun was right by my head. I wasn't scared, but it felt weird. Since then I've started looking for them and I see them quite a bit. I find it unsettling because of what could happen, but honestly in any of the particular times I've seen someone with a gun in public I've felt like I could tell from their body language that they aren't going to start randomly firing it off. My real concern though is not being shot intentionally by someone carrying a gun, but in getting caught in the crosshairs if someone tries to be a hero. BIL told me people are pulling guns for things that don't warrant it, and just because someone can legally carry doesn't make them a good shot. So I think it is more likely that someone gets accidentally shot by a person carrying a gun who thinks that they have good intentions. With that said DH has announced that I'm getting a gun when he gets home. His dad has been keeping his shotgun for him which he used to keep loaded in the closet, but he wants his dad (a certified firearms instructor) to teach me how to shoot. I'm not totally opposed to guns in the house as we don't have kids yet, but I don't believe in them being accessible with kids around and honestly if they are properly stored what is the point in having them? You can't always get to them in time. There are plenty of ways to store them without kids having access to them, and still being able to get to it quickly if needed. And I guess, having grown up with a gun in the house and being told that we'd have our azzes beat bloody if we touched it....maybe we were just obedient children, but neither my brother, sister or I ever had any interest in 'finding it' (kept in my parent's bedroom which was majorly off limits anyway). DH has always had guns in a gun safe with his kids in the house...same thing - they were taught to respect guns from the time they were young and I think that's the needed mindset.
The 'accidents' you hear of, where the 5yo shoots his 2yo brother - take a look at the household. My belief is that the kids were NOT taught to respect the firearms, much less that the owners respected the nature of children by keeping the firearms away from the kids. SS1 has taught his step-daughter proper gun-handling from the time he has been in her life...now she goes hunting with him and this last year (12yo) she got her own rifle. Education is the key - along with boundaries (see azzes beat bloody above).
My sister was given a gun by her MIL, but her husband keeps it hidden from her. Um, this is a marriage problem, not a gun problem! She needs to assert herself and take the gun and get the training she needs. Option 2 - got to the local gun store and get one on her own. That would be even better because then she legally owns it and he cannot take it from her. She wants to learn to shoot because her job involves locking up child sex offenders, and one guy that she had to go to court and testify against for some horrible stuff is currently out on bail. Now I am nervous being here at her house. That doesn't surprise me - my BFF is a DA and she lives in IL, the land of 'good luck getting a gun'. She worries too. Her dogs are absolutely worthless too. They don't bark at anything and when strangers come into the house they don't even get up off the couch. So there is no advanced warning of anything.
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