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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 15, 2011 20:13:13 GMT -5
#123: wrong again, dupe. #122: well said!- dupes: HMO/corrupt insurer care is what we are ending....duh.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 15, 2011 20:15:40 GMT -5
#123: wrong again, dupe. #122: well said- dupes - HMO/corrupt insurer care is what we are ending....duh. Not really!
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Post by EVT1 on Mar 15, 2011 20:18:25 GMT -5
So = bottom line is - it will become a single payer system - and it was designed that way It kind of has to go that way- insurers aren't going to step up and take seniors and sick people are they? They sure as hell aren't going to let go of their cash cow- look how bad they screwed up the current debate- even the president didn't have the sack to stand up to them. So what does it leave other than a doomed system? We could slowly phase out Medicare/Medicaid but there would need to be a market solution which there isn't except for economic rationing to a disgusting degree. Young & healthy people could obtain coverage, the wealthy would pay cash, stockholders would cover the C suite, taxpayers would cover the P suite, and everyone else would be up shit creek with whatever paddle the boss decides to give them-if at all. That leaves the only real solution transforming Medicare into single payer.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 15, 2011 20:22:50 GMT -5
yes, really! bvvvvv! ;D
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 15, 2011 20:23:29 GMT -5
So = bottom line is - it will become a single payer system - and it was designed that way It kind of has to go that way- insurers aren't going to step up and take seniors and sick people are they? They sure as hell aren't going to let go of their cash cow- look how bad they screwed up the current debate- even the president didn't have the sack to stand up to them. So what does it leave other than a doomed system? We could slowly phase out Medicare/Medicaid but there would need to be a market solution which there isn't except for economic rationing to a disgusting degree. Young & healthy people could obtain coverage, the wealthy would pay cash, stockholders would cover the C suite, taxpayers would cover the P suite, and everyone else would be up shit creek with whatever paddle the boss decides to give them-if at all. That leaves the only real solution transforming Medicare into single payer. Which means - bottom line - Washington runs it - now that should make you all feel real warm and cozy!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 20:34:45 GMT -5
Wow, pat. Sounds really horrible. Are you a member of a church?? Unbelievable what you have had to go through. No church would ever allow a member such as yourself to suffer so terribly alone and with no help.. Please join some church and get some help. God bless you, and your family.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 15, 2011 20:34:45 GMT -5
The problem with this country is 70% are either totally misled or absolutely ignorant, and violently proud of it. Bought off, controversy mad, and cowardly media are right there too. Ignorant cynicism about gov't passes for wisdom. TY, Ronald Raygun.
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Post by EVT1 on Mar 15, 2011 20:37:16 GMT -5
Which means - bottom line - Washington runs it - now that should make you all feel real warm and cozy! Much better than it does being run by some bonus motivated douche in a cubicle working under rules designed by a bonus motivated douche in suit with stock options
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 15, 2011 20:38:07 GMT -5
Which means - bottom line - Washington runs it - now that should make you all feel real warm and cozy! Much better than it does being run by some bonus motivated douche in a cubicle working under rules designed by a bonus motivated douche in suit with stock options and <<karma>>
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 15, 2011 20:40:29 GMT -5
Which means - bottom line - Washington runs it - now that should make you all feel real warm and cozy! Much better than it does being run by some bonus motivated douche in a cubicle working under rules designed by a bonus motivated douche in suit with stock options Right - graft, corruption, bribes, lobbyist ==It'll be just wonderful!
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 15, 2011 20:41:00 GMT -5
The problem with this country is 70% are either totally misled or absolutely ignorant, and violently proud of it. Bought off, controversy mad, and cowardly media are right there too. Ignorant cynicism about gov't passes for wisdom. TY, Ronald Raygun. You need to get back to class and do your homework.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 15, 2011 20:44:22 GMT -5
The Netherlands and Switzerland have VERY successful all private insurer NHC- all you need is gov't regulation- which Affordable health care has- if we can just get past Pub propaganda and the dupes...unfortunately they have all the corporate money- what a machine.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 15, 2011 20:46:53 GMT -5
Only Dems have shown anti lobbyist policies.....
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 15, 2011 20:47:08 GMT -5
The Netherlands and Switzerland have VERY successful all private insurer NHC- all you need is gov't regulation- which Affordable health care has- if we can just get past Pub propaganda and the dupes...unfortunately they have all the corporate money- what a machine. You really, really need to go study Washington - power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. We are not the Netherlands or Switzerland - I think those countries might actually protect their borders.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 15, 2011 21:02:03 GMT -5
Illegal aliens HERE have no right to NHC. You are SERIOUSLY misled. Keep digging. Why not try educating yourself?
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 15, 2011 21:03:21 GMT -5
Illegal aliens HERE have no right to NHC. You are SERIOUSLY misled. Keep digging. Why not try educating yourself? bullshit
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 15, 2011 21:06:37 GMT -5
#137- I see you understand mega rich pubs and bought off pubs and their propaganda machine. Try paying attention to Dems, as corrupted as they are by this Pub system we have....
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 15, 2011 21:10:19 GMT -5
Illegal aliens are guaranteed ER care in emergencies- that's all dingbat.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 15, 2011 21:11:01 GMT -5
#137- I see you understand mega rich pubs and bought off pubs and their propaganda machine. Try paying attention to Dems, as corrupted as they are by this Pub system we have.... You make no sense what ever
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 15, 2011 21:17:36 GMT -5
Only to to the clued
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 15, 2011 21:20:16 GMT -5
It's not just Switzerland and the Netherlands that have efficient and quality NHC. So does Japan. I saw it firsthand when we took my mother in for her Alz diagnosis. She was treated promptly, respectfully and given every test in the book. Including a catscan and mrc. When we went to pay the bill, it was less than the cost of a cup of coffee.
The difference? They don't have ins companies. They have a single payer system.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 15, 2011 21:21:40 GMT -5
It's not just Switzerland and the Netherlands that have efficient and quality NHC. So does Japan. I saw it firsthand when we took my mother in for her Alz diagnosis. She was treated promptly, respectfully and given every test in the book. Including a catscan and mrc. When we went to pay the bill, it was less than the cost of a cup of coffee. The difference? They don't have ins companies. They have a single payer system. Yes - and they control their borders.
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Post by swamp on Mar 15, 2011 21:26:01 GMT -5
It's not just Switzerland and the Netherlands that have efficient and quality NHC. So does Japan. I saw it firsthand when we took my mother in for her Alz diagnosis. She was treated promptly, respectfully and given every test in the book. Including a catscan and mrc. When we went to pay the bill, it was less than the cost of a cup of coffee. The difference? They don't have ins companies. They have a single payer system. Yes - and they control their borders. The borders are a little easier to control when you don't have miles and miles and miles of desert smack dab against a third world country.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 15, 2011 21:27:34 GMT -5
Because they don't have pubs obstructing good ID and cracking down on illegal employers- most corrupt and stupid party in the modern world- your heroes ;D
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 15, 2011 21:27:54 GMT -5
Yes - and they control their borders. The borders are a little easier to control when you don't have miles and miles and miles of desert smack dab against a third world country. Absolutely - but it does make a difference in the health care debate -especially when asking for an ID is so problematic for so many people
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Post by swamp on Mar 15, 2011 21:30:24 GMT -5
The borders are a little easier to control when you don't have miles and miles and miles of desert smack dab against a third world country. Absolutely - but it does make a difference in the health care debate -especially when asking for an ID is so problematic for so many people I agree.
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Post by swamp on Mar 15, 2011 21:31:00 GMT -5
Because they don't have pubs obstructing good ID and cracking down on illegal employers- most corrupt and stupid party in the modern world- your heroes ;D Who are you talking to?
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 15, 2011 21:31:10 GMT -5
#123: wrong again, dupe. #122: well said!- dupes: HMO/corrupt insurer care is what we are ending....duh. Wow. The educational system in this country has really failed some people...
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 15, 2011 21:31:26 GMT -5
Because they don't have pubs obstructing good ID and cracking down on illegal employers- most corrupt and stupid party in the modern world- your heroes ;D once again - you make no sense
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 15, 2011 21:40:00 GMT -5
State immigration laws are unconstitutional, thank god. Borders are irrelevant if you have good ID and illegal WORK LAWS- which bought off hypocritical Pubs never allow....funny, eh, dupes?
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