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Post by Angel! on Mar 14, 2011 17:03:50 GMT -5
Angel, I am philosophically opposed to abortion. Then again, it is a decision I will never have to make. I firmly believe it is a decision to be made between a woman and her doctor. The government should not be involved. That is fine. I have no problem with a person philisophically being opposed to abortion. I have a problem with people that try to push their morals onto others or are hypocritical in their statements. What is the difference between the morning after pill & a pharmaceutically induced abortion? Why is one ok, but the other murder?
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Post by ugonow on Mar 14, 2011 17:05:14 GMT -5
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Post by ugonow on Mar 14, 2011 17:06:51 GMT -5
5 yr old dies after being refused treatment by insurance company--- Year Old Kyler Van Nocker Denied Treatment By Insurance Company; Dies Of Cancer Brett EmisonAttorney (866) 735-1102 Ext 461Posted by Brett EmisonSeptember 09, 2010 10:34 AM 0 CommentsPrint ArticleSubscribeDo you know the story of Kyler Van Nocker? Kyler was five-years-old, still three months from his sixth birthday, when he died over this past weekend. Kyler was diagnosed with a rare form of cancer -- neuroblastoma -- when he was only two years old. Successful treatment put Kyler's cancer into remission in 2007. Kyler spent a full year in remission from the cancer. But it came back in 2008.
Kyler's insurance company, Health America, a subsidiary of insurance giant Coventry Health Care refused to pay for the life saving treatments recommended by Kyler's doctors - treatment that would prolong Kyler's short life. Kyler's parents sued in an attempt to shame and force the insurance company into honoring its agreement and provide the health care prescribed by Kyler's doctors. Health American and Coventry continued to refuse.
Thankfully, Kyler received his treatment. Not from the health insurance company that had so eagerly cashed the premium checks, but from the generosity of Kyler's doctors, his hospital and the taxpayers of New Jersey through the state's Medicaid program. Even though Kyler had health insurance, his parents were left bankrupt in their fight to save his life.
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Post by ugonow on Mar 14, 2011 17:09:10 GMT -5
Insurance companies denying life saving cancer treatments in some states----Firefighter Denied Life-Saving Treatment
POSTED: Thursday, April 19, 2007 UPDATED: 8:31 am CDT April 20, 2007
EmailPrintHOUSTON -- Note: The following story is a verbatim transcript of an Investigators story that aired on Thursday, April 19, 2007, on KPRC Local 2 at 10 p.m.
Tonight, Local 2 investigates why some insurance companies are refusing to pay for potentially life-saving medical treatments. Have you looked closely at your health insurance plan?
Chances are, you wouldn't notice the wording we've discovered that's leaving patients and not the insurance companies stuck paying for treatment that might save their lives.
Local 2 investigative reporter Amy Davis found it happening all over Texas.
Imagine being told by your doctor that drugs offered in a clinical trial are now your best chance to beat deadly cancer.
But your insurance company says it won't pay for any of it. That's the battle facing a veteran Houston firefighter, and we've found the same thing could happen to you.
"You either fight them or you give up," said Steve Jahnke, Houston Fire Department district chief.
Steve Jahnke is no stranger to fighting.
For 35 years, he's battled blazes as a Houston firefighter. It's a long-standing family tradition. Now the district chief is battling something different but just as deadly -- stage 4 skin cancer -- melanoma. And it's spreading.
"They went in and they found I have it everywhere," Jahnke said.
But while Jahnke and his wife Renee battle the tumors growing through his body, they're also fighting against a small clause in the city's health insurance plan allowing the insurance company not to pay for potentially life-saving treatments.
"Steve needs this chance -- that opportunity to save his life," said Renee Jahnke, his wife.
You see, chemotherapy hasn't worked, so MD Anderson Cancer Center approved Jahnke for a clinical trial -- a study testing two drugs sponsored by the National Cancer Institute.
The drug company will pay for the expensive drugs, but the city's health insurance, HMO Blue, will not pay for any part of the trial.
That clause in the city's plan says the insurance company does not pay for any procedure it labels "investigational or experimental."
The Jahnkes say paying out of their own pocket would mean bankruptcy.
"It's one small deal in a huge contract. How were we supposed to know that?" Steve Jahnke said.
"They're being denied clinical trials that could save their lives," Renee Jahnke said.
And your health plan may work the same way. Local 2 Investigates discovered many insurance companies in Texas routinely do not pay for clinical trials.
We found more than 20 states do have laws requiring some sort of coverage for clinical trials, but Texas is not one of them.
"Cutting-edge therapy is being denied to the citizens. Patients are not being able to benefit. Other states have recognized this has got to stop," Said Dr. Maurie Markman, he vice president of Clinical Research at MD Anderson Cancer Center.
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Post by ugonow on Mar 14, 2011 17:11:12 GMT -5
Why no outrage over it happening here,I wonder?
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Post by ugonow on Mar 14, 2011 17:13:39 GMT -5
My own father was refused gamma knife years ago when reccommended by doctors.his insurance company said it was a a treatment not covered,and they were not paying for anymore treatments for his cancer,he was terminal,and sent him home with a script for morphine.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 14, 2011 17:14:22 GMT -5
And much of this could have been prevented if modern medicine and technology weren't such an integral part of life.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 17:15:00 GMT -5
LOL, ugo!! Tell me-- do you think Obamacare will make death panels more or less prevalent?
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 14, 2011 17:15:23 GMT -5
And much of this could have been prevented if modern medicine and technology weren't such an integral part of life. I'm not sure I understand your point?
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Post by ugonow on Mar 14, 2011 17:16:43 GMT -5
I think it is absurd to think it only goes on in Canada,and close your eyes to the truth. And insurance companies will still run the show under Obamacare,I don't care what you have been told.As a matter of fact,there are lawsuits of having to have insurance.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 14, 2011 17:17:50 GMT -5
LOL, ugo!! Tell me-- do you think Obamacare will make death panels more or less prevalent? wow....you laugh about ugo's posting about his dad's terminal illness? that's pretty tacky.
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Post by Angel! on Mar 14, 2011 17:20:28 GMT -5
Yeah, when will people realize that what they are so afraid of & call death panels already exists. If anything, the healthcare reform should actually help this problem. Insurance won't be able to just kick you should you develop a condition, there will no longer be lifetime limits, & there will be certain treatments that insurance has to cover.
We should be celebrating the fact that this legislation is actually helping to get rid of the "death panels" instead of worrying about things that it doesn't do. Everyone keeps saying they don't want govt. run health-insurance, but this won't put you on govt. run health insurance - there is no public option. So why do people keep comparing it to canada's health system - it isn't the same at all.
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Post by ugonow on Mar 14, 2011 17:22:03 GMT -5
You don't know socialized healthcare is defined by a mandate to buy insurance?
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 14, 2011 17:22:11 GMT -5
Yeah, when will people realize that what they are so afraid of & call death panels already exists. If anything, the healthcare reform should actually help this problem. Insurance won't be able to just kick you should you develop a condition, there will no longer be lifetime limits, & there will be certain treatments that insurance has to cover. We should be celebrating the fact that this legislation is actually helping to get rid of the "death panels" instead of worrying about things that it doesn't do. Everyone keeps saying they don't want govt. run health-insurance, but this won't put you on govt. run health insurance - there is no public option. So why do people keep comparing it to canada's health system - it isn't the same at all. Angel - because it's what being broadcast from the blowhards opposed to it. sadly, nobody thinks for themselves anymore. they just parrot back what they hear without thinking about the consequences.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 14, 2011 17:22:26 GMT -5
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Post by Angel! on Mar 14, 2011 17:29:11 GMT -5
You don't know socialized healthcare is defined by a mandate to buy insurance? I don't believe that is the definition. Here is the definition I found: www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=25521Regardless, the US healthcare system will be significantly different than canada's. So providing canadian stories in an effort to scare people about where we are headed is silly. Even after the reform our system will be nothing like canada's.
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Post by ugonow on Mar 14, 2011 17:32:08 GMT -5
A couple of weeks ago,I asked my primary doctor for a script for a chest x ray because I am an ex smoker and my wife had been bugging me to get one.My doctor told me we would have to lie and say I am coughing, or in pain in order for the insurance to pay for it because it is more economical to treat the few cases of lung cancer than it is to cover routine screenings for it.
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Post by ugonow on Mar 14, 2011 17:33:47 GMT -5
Sounds like the VA to me,not Obamacare.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 14, 2011 17:39:10 GMT -5
Sounds like the VA to me,not Obamacare. And how do you know that?
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Post by Angel! on Mar 14, 2011 17:41:02 GMT -5
Sounds like the VA to me,not Obamacare. Exactly my point. Health care reform isn't giving us socialized medicine.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 14, 2011 17:44:14 GMT -5
Sounds like the VA to me,not Obamacare. Exactly my point. Health care reform isn't giving us socialized medicine. What is it giving us?
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Post by ugonow on Mar 14, 2011 17:50:16 GMT -5
I think the republicans "Everyone in the US has healthcare,just go to the emergency room" plan is closer to socialism than the making people buy insurance plan.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 14, 2011 17:52:28 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 14, 2011 18:01:57 GMT -5
And much of this could have been prevented if modern medicine and technology weren't such an integral part of life. I'm not sure I understand your point? The point is not that many years ago, doctors and hospitals didn't have the tools necessary to extend life let alone cure what ever ailed a person. Nature took its course and people simply died. Medical technology is indifferent to life-much like nature. It is how we use this technology which matters. Extending a life for a day, week or month is not always in the best interest of the patient especially if they are terminally ill and heavily medicated to reduce excruciating pain or in a vegetative state with no hope of ever regaining consciousness. If technology is keeping that patient alive, and the patient would die if taken off the medical machines, should the patient be kept alive? It is understandable the family of the patient doesn't want to let go of their loved one. No one does. But there comes a time to show your love for your family member and simply stop all treatment and let them go as painlessly and peacefully as possible. That to me is love.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 14, 2011 18:07:15 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand your point? The point is not that many years ago, doctors and hospitals didn't have the tools necessary to extend life let alone cure what ever ailed a person. Nature took its course and people simply died. Medical technology is indifferent to life-much like nature. It is how we use this technology which matters. Extending a life for a day, week or month is not always in the best interest of the patient especially if they are terminally ill and heavily medicated to reduce excruciating pain or in a vegetative state with no hope of ever regaining consciousness. If technology is keeping that patient alive, and the patient would die if taken off the medical machines, should the patient be kept alive? It is understandable the family of the patient doesn't want to let go of their loved one. No one does. But there comes a time to show your love for your family member and simply stop all treatment and let them go as painlessly and peacefully as possible. That to me is love. I believe we are in agreement here - but I am not comfortable with the government telling me to do it.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 14, 2011 18:14:30 GMT -5
I would love for those that pontificate about keeping all these kids that are in horrible condition alive to not let the moms get abortions to each take one of these kids to raise. If you believe that strongly in it, it should not be a problem at all. I say just do it. absolutely!
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 14, 2011 18:15:06 GMT -5
The point is not that many years ago, doctors and hospitals didn't have the tools necessary to extend life let alone cure what ever ailed a person. Nature took its course and people simply died. Medical technology is indifferent to life-much like nature. It is how we use this technology which matters. Extending a life for a day, week or month is not always in the best interest of the patient especially if they are terminally ill and heavily medicated to reduce excruciating pain or in a vegetative state with no hope of ever regaining consciousness. If technology is keeping that patient alive, and the patient would die if taken off the medical machines, should the patient be kept alive? It is understandable the family of the patient doesn't want to let go of their loved one. No one does. But there comes a time to show your love for your family member and simply stop all treatment and let them go as painlessly and peacefully as possible. That to me is love. I believe we are in agreement here. Well slap my ass and call me Judy. Two thumbs up! By the way Vonnie-the other day you asked me how I knew the Alaskans arrested for plotting to kill a judge and Alaskan state policemen were Christian. I left you a reply and some information on that thread. Reply #157. www.notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=politics&action=display&thread=3094&page=6
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 14, 2011 18:16:45 GMT -5
I say the same thing to those who support open borders and "freedom of religion" for practitioners of brutal and backwards traditions. Either take an HIV and tuberculosis-ridden illegal alien or a wife-beating, female-circumcising radical Islamist into your home or shut up about it...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 18:17:02 GMT -5
That sounds rough, pat. I'm with vonnie on this-- you are a saint. Lots of people have told me that a child with problems, or caring for a dying adult family member has been a blessing to them, and a huge learning experience. What do you think about that line of thought?
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 14, 2011 18:20:26 GMT -5
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