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nation.foxnews.com/culture/2011/03/14/baby-joseph-flown-us-hospitalBaby Joseph Flown to U.S. Hospital The baby who was hours from being pulled off life support at his Canadian hospital has been rescued by the national director of Priests for Life and taken to the U.S. for treatment. Thirteen-month-old Joseph Maraachli, who is currently kept alive by a respirator and was recently denied a transfer to a Michigan hospital to undergo a tracheotomy, arrived in the U.S. early Monday morning with Fr. Frank Pavone and other Priests for Life staff. "Priests for Life staff toiled through the night for many nights, working in concert with dozens of people to make this possible," Father Pavone said in a statement. "Now that we have won the battle against the medical bureaucracy in Canada, the real work of saving Baby Joseph can begin." Maraachli was on his way to SSM Cardinal Glennon Children's Medical Center in St. Louis, Mo., a non-profit health-care facility open to all children in need of medical care. The boy suffers from a rare, progressive neurological disease which, Canadian doctors say, has left him in a vegetative state beyond recovery. He has been at the Children’s Hospital in London, Ontario, since the fall
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 14, 2011 13:24:54 GMT -5
While Americans were riveted by dramatic events unfolding in Pinellas Park, Fla., a five-month-old Houston baby took his last breath after a hospital let him die despite his mother's objections. Sun Hudson (search) was born Sept. 25 with thanatophoric dysplasia, an incurable and fatal form of dwarfism. Doctors said his tiny lungs would never fully grow and that he would never breathe on his own. Hudson's mother, Wanda, put up a fight when doctors advised removing Sun from a respirator. She said she did not believe in sickness or death. But on March 15, a Texas law signed by then-Gov. George W. Bush in 1999 allowed the hospital to go ahead and take Sun off the respirator in defiance of Wanda Hudson's wishes. Read more: www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151448,00.html
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 14, 2011 13:28:21 GMT -5
States kick grandma to the curb NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- For the elderly, state budget cuts could mean no more daily hot meals and exercise classes to help prevent falls. At worst, some could even lose their beds at the nursing home. These and other lifelines for seniors may disappear as governors and lawmakers slash spending to close an estimated $112 billion in budget shortfalls, advocates say. Shuttering nursing homes Among the most dramatic of the proposed cuts is the severe reduction in Medicaid reimbursement rates to nursing homes in Texas. Facing a shortfall of up to $27 billion, state lawmakers want to reduce the rate by 10%. But payments to nursing homes would plummet by a total of 34% because they would also lose federal matching funds. Happy 65th birthday, boomers. Now what? This could result in the shuttering of 850 of the state's 1,000 nursing homes, forcing up to 45,000 elderly residents to find other accommodations, said David Thomason, chair of the Texas Senior Advocacy Coalition. Texas nursing homes already lose money on Medicaid patients so they could not absorb another reduction, facility operators say. If rates were cut further, many would be forced to stop participating in the Medicaid program and would need to either close the buildings or convert them to other health-related uses. More at money.cnn.com/2011/03/14/news/economy/senior_citizens_elderly_state_budget_cuts/index.htm
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 14, 2011 13:29:02 GMT -5
I guess the moral of this thread is to let the little ones suffer unimaginable pain for the short time they will be here on earth.
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Post by steff on Mar 14, 2011 13:33:48 GMT -5
Haven't there been at least 2 transplant list folks die in Arizona after the Arizona govt denied them transplants due to cost? Now, fast forward to February 2011, at least two of the transplant patients have died, waiting and hoping that the Arizona Legislature would change its mind and vote to fund transplants again. Although the Arizona transplant patients have become a cause celebre, they are by far not the only victims of Arizona’s Teapulbican government. Brewer and her Legislative cronies want to knock everyone– 250,000+ adults– off of the AHCCCS list. Last summer, they wanted to shutdown the voter-initiated Kids’ Care program, which provides health care and early childhood development programs for small, low-income children, and steal the Kids Care money, but the voters said “no way” in the November 2010 election. The Legislature did cap enrollment for Kids Care, which now has a 90,000 (and growing) waiting list of children who have been denied AHCCCS coverage but may be eligible for Kids Care. Now, I may sound hard-hearted here, but why would the Arizona Legislature care about 95 transplant patients when they don’t care what happens to 90,000 babies or 250,000 adults? Yes, all 95 of those people will most likely die without a transplant, but without health insurance coverage, a percentage of the 90,000 babies and 250,000 adults will also die or go undiagnosed and untreated. When you’re on a Death Panel, you have to make tough decisions– like giving corporate tax breaks. tucsoncitizen.com/tucson-progressive/2011/02/28/az-death-panel-decision-95-transplant-patients-90000-babies-or-250000-adults/
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Post by Bluerobin on Mar 14, 2011 13:35:06 GMT -5
Don't fund abortion. It is much more fun to let them be born and then starve them to death or refuse to treat the problems.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 14, 2011 13:39:54 GMT -5
Don't fund abortion. It is much more fun to let them be born and then starve them to death or refuse to treat the problems. It helps create jobs in the small casket, floral and funeral home industries.
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Post by Bluerobin on Mar 14, 2011 13:47:13 GMT -5
Yep Tenn. We do need those $10 an hour jobs!
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 14, 2011 13:47:25 GMT -5
The title of this thread "Death panels, anyone?" ..I question if the poor child in the post , "Baby Joseph ", is a victem of that.
"The boy suffers from a rare, progressive neurological disease which, Canadian doctors say, has left him in a vegetative state beyond recovery"
Possible the Canadian Doctors made a mistake in their evaluation of the child, if so , and if he recovers , that would be a wonderful thing. However, I am going to go with the Doctors in this case , if they say he was in a "vegatable state, beyond recovery, " then why would all this extra ordinary care and yes expenditures of so much money, and giving false hope to a family where there is no real chance of survival for a normal life, vegetable state means just that, makes no sense to me. To me the priests involved would have been better served in giving comfort to the family, helping with closure in this case. Because of their and I am sure the families beliefs and faith , that little Joseph will be in a better place and looked after by the heavenly father until it is the time for his family to be reunited with him for all eternity.
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Post by Bluerobin on Mar 14, 2011 13:49:30 GMT -5
But Dezi, in the US, we all believe in spending all we can, even when there is no hope. Especially if someone else is footing the bill. FYI, I am a DNR and have an advance directive in responsible hands.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 13:53:14 GMT -5
.... I see the gangbangers are out in force today. AZ is replacing it's health care, by the way, and that is if it even passes the bill. Said bill meant to open an honest debate about the cost of health care. And you may want to research your dead by no transplant issues, Steffi, dear. Lots of people were approved, sent letters, and claim they never got the letters. If that is true, that would sure not be death panels by Gov. Brewer, it would be our fucked up medical plan here in AZ. AHCCCS, our state medical plan, is outdated and no longer sustainable under the current set-up. When it was started in 1985 it covered 5% of the population-- 345,000 people. After years of people flocking to AZ because we have good health care, and a ridiculously high tolerance for illegals it is 19% of the population--1,131,000. It needs revamping, obviously. But you guys carry on. I'm glad baby Joseph is here, and can die an easier death. Yes- he will die, but in a more humane way-- home with his parents and the tracheotomy he was refused in Canada. It's the right thing to do. He is a human life, and there is no reason he or his family should suffer more than necessary.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 14, 2011 13:55:56 GMT -5
But Dezi, in the US, we all believe in spending all we can, even when there is no hope. Especially if someone else is footing the bill. FYI, I am a DNR and have an advance directive in responsible hands. Probably a wise thing for someone 110 years old.
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Post by Bluerobin on Mar 14, 2011 13:57:45 GMT -5
Bill it is wise for anyone. Why suffer?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 13:57:44 GMT -5
Geez, you people are weird. All the parents wanted was to pull the ventilator, put in a trach tube, and take their child home to die. Canada refused. Priests for life got the little boy moved here for treatment. Death panels is appropriate. Canada refused the extra expense of another surgery, traqnsport, etc., at the cost of a more humanitarian death for the child.
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Post by steff on Mar 14, 2011 14:00:50 GMT -5
well dear krickitt, I found the article from your own local news sources.... 2 dead from denial of transplants. Death Panels right there in your own state. Children denied care, right there in your own state. Not my fault that you choose to ignore the facts. Guess it's easier for you to blame posters for it than your own governor.
and again, my name is not steffie, I do believe you were warned a couple of months ago about that. Do you need another reminder?
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Post by Shirina on Mar 14, 2011 14:02:10 GMT -5
The fact that the story posted in reply #1 has been thus far completely ignored is duly noted by this author.
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Post by marjar on Mar 14, 2011 14:04:46 GMT -5
I thought I misunderstood the article.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 14:05:01 GMT -5
THREATS? Should I sink to the level of "some" and start crying to moon about you threatening me?? No. I'm a big kid. Give me your best shot. I could care less.
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Post by steff on Mar 14, 2011 14:06:58 GMT -5
no threats, just wondering if you conviently forgot or decided that you didn't need to bother any longer..... I can see you've chosen to just do what you want even tho you've been told before. not all that surprising. And I don't run to moon for something like this. BUT, if you continue to use a nickname for me, don't be shocked or offended when I return the favor.
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Post by jkapp on Mar 14, 2011 14:11:34 GMT -5
Haven't there been at least 2 transplant list folks die in Arizona after the Arizona govt denied them transplants due to cost? Now, fast forward to February 2011, at least two of the transplant patients have died, waiting and hoping that the Arizona Legislature would change its mind and vote to fund transplants again. Although the Arizona transplant patients have become a cause celebre, they are by far not the only victims of Arizona’s Teapulbican government. Brewer and her Legislative cronies want to knock everyone– 250,000+ adults– off of the AHCCCS list. Last summer, they wanted to shutdown the voter-initiated Kids’ Care program, which provides health care and early childhood development programs for small, low-income children, and steal the Kids Care money, but the voters said “no way” in the November 2010 election. The Legislature did cap enrollment for Kids Care, which now has a 90,000 (and growing) waiting list of children who have been denied AHCCCS coverage but may be eligible for Kids Care. Now, I may sound hard-hearted here, but why would the Arizona Legislature care about 95 transplant patients when they don’t care what happens to 90,000 babies or 250,000 adults? Yes, all 95 of those people will most likely die without a transplant, but without health insurance coverage, a percentage of the 90,000 babies and 250,000 adults will also die or go undiagnosed and untreated. When you’re on a Death Panel, you have to make tough decisions– like giving corporate tax breaks. tucsoncitizen.com/tucson-progressive/2011/02/28/az-death-panel-decision-95-transplant-patients-90000-babies-or-250000-adults/Well, yeah, they have to pay for all of the illegal immigrants since the federal government won't let them control their own borders. Which also means they have to cap the number of enrollments AHCCCS coverage becaue too many illegals are draining the system of money.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 14, 2011 14:12:15 GMT -5
Geez, you people are weird. All the parents wanted was to pull the ventilator, put in a trach tube, and take their child home to die. Canada refused. Priests for life got the little boy moved here for treatment. Death panels is appropriate. Canada refused the extra expense of another surgery, traqnsport, etc., at the cost of a more humanitarian death for the child. Seems the priest has a different plan then letting the kid die: ...Father Pavone said in a statement. "Now that we have won the battle against the medical bureaucracy in Canada, the real work of saving Baby Joseph can begin." (from the link in the OP) Anyone have a link to a good full factual account of reality?
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Post by marjar on Mar 14, 2011 14:20:17 GMT -5
The parents of a 13-month-old baby who has a fatal neurological degenerative disease are fighting doctors in Canada for the right to keep him alive. Moe and Nader Maraachli were told two weeks ago that their son, known as "Baby Joseph," could not be cured and would stay in his current vegetative state, ABC News reported. They were given a consent form allowing physicians to take the small boy off life support. The devastated parents refused to sign it. And now they're battling the hospital for their son's survival. The case highlights the ethical dilemma that health-care providers and parents of a terminally ill child often find themselves facing: How much time and money should be spent on keeping a child with a fatal disease alive? Alex Schadenberg, the family spokesman and the executive director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, said they've only just wanted to bring Joseph home so that he can live his final days out there. "They weren't asking for extraordinary medical treatment or for the government to pay for a ventilator with an in-home nurse," he told ABC. The hospital where the child has been staying since October 2010, London Health Sciences Centre, says it sides with the Consent and Capacity Board on the proper course of treatment. "It involves transferring him home, on a breathing machine, and then placing him the arms of his family before withdrawing the machine," the hospital said in a statement to ABC. "The transfer would not involve performing a tracheotomy, which ... is frequently indicated for patients who require a long-term breathing machine. This is not, unfortunately, the case with Baby Joseph, because he has a progressive neurodegenerative disease that is fatal."The case has stirred considerable controversy and outrage among people in both Canada and the United States, with supporters of Baby Joseph's parents starting movements on Facebook to protest the medical community's actions. One of the groups, known as Save Baby Joseph, has more than 13,000 members, and another, Save Baby Joseph Maraachli, has over 1,300, ABC said. Baby Joseph has also become something of a poster child for the fight against a government-funded health care system like Canada's, which has become a heated topic of debate after the far-reaching U.S. health care reform bill was passed in the fall. In the end, the issue comes down to whether doctors or families have the right to choose whether to end a terminally ill child's life. Dr. Sarah Friebert, a pediatric palliative care doctor in Akron Children's Hospital in Ohio, said health-care providers should do everything they can to honor the parents' requests, unless they're clearly not doing what is best for the child, according to ABC. "The process involves bringing in other people to support the family with any sort of emotional, religious or spiritual issues that we need to understand better," Friebert said. "It often feels like an impossible choice because death is such a final option and parents are understandably going to try everything to avoid that." www.aolhealth.com/2011/03/02/parents-of-terminally-ill-baby-joseph-battle-hospital/
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Post by marjar on Mar 14, 2011 14:21:55 GMT -5
In reading the article, it appears they could transfer the child home to die, without the trache.
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Post by Shirina on Mar 14, 2011 14:22:06 GMT -5
Is "Baby" his first name? Then why keep calling him Baby Joseph, as if "Baby" is a proper noun.
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Post by steff on Mar 14, 2011 14:25:55 GMT -5
Is "Baby" his first name? Then why keep calling him Baby Joseph, as if "Baby" is a proper noun
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 14, 2011 14:39:50 GMT -5
The fact that the story posted in reply #1 has been thus far completely ignored is duly noted by this author. Thank you Shirina. I've also wondered why krickitt appears uninterested in "Baby Sun Hudson"...
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 14, 2011 14:43:14 GMT -5
I don't recall any articles saying exactly what the disease is, but I do believe that Mom and Dad really need to find out what has caused two children to have the same (some articles say same, some say similar?) rare, progressive neurological disease.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 14, 2011 14:47:28 GMT -5
I don't recall any articles saying exactly what the disease is, but I do believe that Mom and Dad really need to find out what has caused two children to have the same (some articles say same, some say similar?) rare, progressive neurological disease. While I guess finding out the cause would be nice, I would say simply stop reproducing would be a good idea.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 14, 2011 14:58:16 GMT -5
.... I see the gangbangers are out in force today. I'm glad baby Joseph is here, and can die an easier death. Yes- he will die, but in a more humane way-- home with his parents and the tracheotomy he was refused in Canada. It's the right thing to do. He is a human life, and there is no reason he or his family should suffer more than necessary. " Maraachli was on his way to SSM Cardinal Glennon Children's Medical Center in St. Louis, Mo., a non-profit health-care facility open to all children in need of medical care." SSM Cardinal Glennon Children's Medical Center in St. Louis, Mo. is not home to this family. Canada is.
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