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Post by chiver78 on Sept 9, 2015 17:25:42 GMT -5
ya know, Virgil, some of us were actually having an informative discussion here. And after Krispy Kreme doughnuts, coconut ice cream, a comedian telling vegans to shove it, and a wall of quotations, I'm the one you're chiding for derailing the thread? Where does "us" come from anyway? You haven't posted in 30 hours. in this thread, no. doesn't mean I'm not reading. you have a habit of poking fun at things you don't agree with, and it's getting tiring. just my two cents anyway.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Sept 9, 2015 17:32:30 GMT -5
And after Krispy Kreme doughnuts, coconut ice cream, a comedian telling vegans to shove it, and a wall of quotations, I'm the one you're chiding for derailing the thread? Where does "us" come from anyway? You haven't posted in 30 hours. in this thread, no. doesn't mean I'm not reading. you have a habit of poking fun at things you don't agree with, and it's getting tiring. just my two cents anyway. You live in a mighty glassy house, madam, but I shall oblige.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Sept 9, 2015 17:44:33 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 9, 2015 21:48:19 GMT -5
Krispy Kreme............ (picture Homer drool pic here)
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 9, 2015 21:50:16 GMT -5
As long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seeds of murder and pain cannot reap the joy of love. —Pythagoras It ill becomes us to invoke in our daily prayers the blessings of God, the Compassionate, if we in turn will not practice elementary compassion towards our fellow creatures. —Mahatma Gandhi (1869–1948) As long as you admit you object for religious reasons, and not for any kind of rational reason...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 9, 2015 21:56:04 GMT -5
Paul - Your thoughts about meat are exactly the same as the vegan who preaches about not eating meat - don't see any difference between the two. People I know who are vegans or vegetarians don't talk about it at all, unless someone asks them about it. The difference is that I'm basing my opinions on scientific fact.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 9, 2015 21:57:50 GMT -5
If you are concerned about weight, it is especially important that you consume enough fat and protein.
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Post by saveinla on Sept 9, 2015 22:43:26 GMT -5
Paul - Your thoughts about meat are exactly the same as the vegan who preaches about not eating meat - don't see any difference between the two. People I know who are vegans or vegetarians don't talk about it at all, unless someone asks them about it. The difference is that I'm basing my opinions on scientific fact. Rukh quoted more scientific studies in this thread than any other that I have seen so far and all came to the same conclusion - A vegan/vegetarian diet is healthy. If you want to eat meat - go ahead, but you don't have to convince people who are not meat eaters that it is the healthier option. We can all eat what we want and still not preach that our way is the best way
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 10, 2015 9:58:31 GMT -5
Krispy Kreme............ (picture Homer drool pic here) I always knew you were mean.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 10, 2015 14:53:25 GMT -5
Rukh quoted more scientific studies in this thread than any other that I have seen so far and all came to the same conclusion - A vegan/vegetarian diet is healthy. If you want to eat meat - go ahead, but you don't have to convince people who are not meat eaters that it is the healthier option. We can all eat what we want and still not preach that our way is the best way Saveinla, As I had mentioned, I had done an extensive research paper on this for a developmental class as an undergrad years ago, so I knew there wasn't going to be anything negative on traditional vegetarianism. That case had been settled by the late 80s. I was pleasantly surprised that there was a quantity of actual research being done on veganism, and that the the overall results were rather positive. I knew from my previous paper that B12 was important, and it seems that if you aren't eating healthy at all, there may be a few other nutrient to take a supplement for. The evidence is that there are many standard health markers that vegans typically have a better profile on. BMI, obesity, insulin, cancer rates, etc. The vegan diet seems to be seen as potential beneficial for those with kidney disease or osteoarthritis. But, if some people don't want to know, or if they are incapable of digesting the information from original research or choose to ignore that research and seek out some biased website to twist that research into saying something it actually doesn't and prefer that biased interpretation to what the actual scientists have concluded from their study, that in itself is worthy of serious study in the psychological journals! I'm surprised that there was actual discourse on vegetarianism in the ancient world among the intelligentsia of the time! It makes me wonder about the beginnings of meat eating in humans. advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advocacy/2010/08/the-hidden-history-of-greco-roman-vegetarianism/The common assumption is that most human civilizations have been regular meat eaters since prior to the dawn of recorded history, and that simply isn't true based on these early thinkers, many who lived a vegetarian life. The Greeks and Romans are not really 'early' thinkers. They're just a blip of time away from us, geologically speaking. Early hominids from 30 or 40,000 years ago would have been omnivores who ate what they could find. If you look at primate behavior, most of them eat insects and even meat, if they can get it. When prehistoric man invented fire, it suddenly made meat a lot easier to eat, as well as providing a way to preserve it, so you weren't obligated to stuff yourself with as much as you could while it was available. By the time we came to the Greek and Roman civilizations, agriculture had developed, as well as ways to store and preserve grains and vegetables. The middle class and wealthy people could choose to eat no meat, or eat such delicacies as lark tongues and snails cooked in butter, but the poor, then as now, pretty much have to eat what they can buy/find/grow in order not to starve - and that usually included whatever meat they could find or kill. I agree it would be better if everyone did not eat meat, both for the people and for the planet (cows fart and poop a lot) but meat eating has become so ingrained in almost every civilization, and people have become so casual about killing animals to eat them, that it will be hard to stop the practise anytime soon. Probably, with a continued increase in global population, real meat will become so expensive that most people, for financial reasons, will have to stop eating it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 10, 2015 15:48:01 GMT -5
@tbird said: "I'm surprised that there was actual discourse on vegetarianism in the ancient world among the intelligentsia of the time! It makes me wonder about the beginnings of meat eating in humans." I believe this should answer your question:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 19:01:53 GMT -5
If we could cut out processed foods, sugar, and cut way back on meat we would be a lot healthier, but the problem is no one craves boiled broccoli or raw carrots in the same way we crave hot Krispy Cream chocolate iced doughnuts with sprinkles..... I haven't read this whole discussion but I agree that "healthy eating" can be taken to extremes. So can many good practices. I see the other side of the coin. We moved to a house we love in a less-prosperous area. The amount of obesity I see when I walk through the grocery store (and all the crap that's set out to spur impulse purchases) depresses me. Obesity increases risks of back, hip and knee problems, increases some cancer risks and can lead to diabetes. I can't imagine carrying that much poundage around and what it would do to my body. We all end up paying for those issues in the form of higher insurance premiums. So I'll keep on preaching high-veggie, low-fat eating while enjoying the occasional Russell Stover S'Mores bar after a 15-mile bike ride. And yes, it IS possible to end up craving healthy food. When we came home from Iceland and they had trays of fresh veggies at the manager's reception at the hotel in Boston where we overnighted, I realized I was STARVED for fresh veggies. We loved Iceland, but they have a short growing season and most fresh foods have to be imported and are very expensive. I had 2 plates of carrots, green peppers, cauliflower and broccoli. They were wonderful. I had this experience several years ago when I visited South Dakota with a close friend. While there we literally only ate beef, potatoes and corn, much of it preserved from the previous year, so the first thing I did on my return was to eat salads, lot of lovely, fresh, crisp green salads. It was an eye-opener for me.
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