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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 1, 2015 12:41:55 GMT -5
And like my friend who forced her son to eat the grape stems along with the grapes, so he would get the extra fiber
I'm surprised hte kid didn't end up with some digestive issues. I can't imagine your body breaks down grape stems very well.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 1, 2015 13:36:35 GMT -5
And like my friend who forced her son to eat the grape stems along with the grapes, so he would get the extra fiber
I'm surprised hte kid didn't end up with some digestive issues. I can't imagine your body breaks down grape stems very well. Use corn husks instead of lettuce in your sandwiches.
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Post by lund on Sept 1, 2015 13:44:37 GMT -5
It is not uncommon for anorexia nervosa sufferers to claim that they are following some kind of healthy eating regime, claim a lot of food allergies and intolerances, and to over-exercise.
Being a vegetarian or a vegan means needing a quite a lot of knowledge when meal planning.
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Sept 1, 2015 16:11:40 GMT -5
In the spirit of friendship, I agreed to go to a vegan meet-up event with a friend of mine. When we got there I quietly joked that none of these people would survive even a small famine. I think that the vegan lifestyle attracts a lot of people with fuzzy medical conditions that modern science can't yet quite diagnose or treat. Unfortunately, these people can get suckered into thinking that the one true path to health is a wildly restrictive diet. If you don't feel better, it's just cause you aren't being restrictive enough. Magical thinking and pseudoscience at its best! Also, I say this as someone who doesn't eat meat or poultry and only eats fish a few times a month. I do this because of my personal food preferences, and my doctor thinks I am healthy. Some people just take it too far.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Sept 1, 2015 16:31:44 GMT -5
Oh good grief.
veganism =! anorexia =! Michelle Obama =! unhealthy.
I'm not a vegetarian but I don't eat very much meat (1x a week). I'm perfectly healthy. The last time I had my pulse and blood pressure taken they took one look at my numbers and asked "biker or runner?" because my numbers are so awesome.
You can eat beans and veggies and be healthy. You can not eat beans or veggies and be unhealthy. Show me causation data and I'll eat my socks.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Sept 1, 2015 16:33:34 GMT -5
It is not uncommon for anorexia nervosa sufferers to claim that they are following some kind of healthy eating regime, claim a lot of food allergies and intolerances, and to over-exercise. Being a vegetarian or a vegan means needing a quite a lot of knowledge when meal planning. Not really. Vegetarianism is pretty seamless and easy. Veganism is definitely trickier.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Sept 1, 2015 16:42:01 GMT -5
Oh good grief. veganism =! anorexia =! Michelle Obama =! unhealthy. I'm not a vegetarian but I don't eat very much meat (1x a week). I'm perfectly healthy. The last time I had my pulse and blood pressure taken they took one look at my numbers and asked "biker or runner?" because my numbers are so awesome. You can eat beans and veggies and be healthy. You can not eat beans or veggies and be unhealthy. Show me causation data and I'll eat my socks. Mmm hmm! I'd totally be a vegan if it wasn't for sushi and cheese. Those two things are delicious perfection. I run so my vitals are awesome. I don't have the cholesterol or high blood pressure issues that seem to happen on my Dad's side of the family (though i don't really attribute that to anything specific). There are also a shit ton of vegan endurance athletes around here.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Sept 1, 2015 16:48:34 GMT -5
Seriously, tons of the triathletes I know are vegan and are freaking rock solid hunks of muscle that do ironman tris. These are not weaklings crumbling over their lack of iron.
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Post by mroped on Sept 1, 2015 17:29:35 GMT -5
Never understood "calories counting" or diet of any kind. I have a weird metabolism, hyper so no mater what I eat or how much of it I don't gain weight or loose for that matter. The ancient Romans had a saying in regards to your daily meals: "Breakfast, eat it alone and plenty of it! Lunch, share it with a friend! Dinner, give it to an enemy!" Personaly, I eat to live not live to eat! I'm just doing it in big quantities. Don't remember to have ever had leftovers from a meal in a restaurant. The concept of "doggie bag" is unknown to me.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Sept 1, 2015 17:35:20 GMT -5
Seriously, tons of the triathletes I know are vegan and are freaking rock solid hunks of muscle that do ironman tris. These are not weaklings crumbling over their lack of iron. I don't think anyone is claiming it's impossible. Just that it's difficult to do without incurring medium-term and long-term penalties. It's time-consuming, it entails numerous personal sacrifices, and it instills people with a sense of self-righteousness. In other words, it has the same drawbacks as religion. The OP is ostensibly warning readers about the dangers of dietary religiosity.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Sept 1, 2015 18:05:58 GMT -5
Seriously, tons of the triathletes I know are vegan and are freaking rock solid hunks of muscle that do ironman tris. These are not weaklings crumbling over their lack of iron. I don't think anyone is claiming it's impossible. Just that it's difficult to do without incurring medium-term and long-term penalties. It's time-consuming, it entails numerous personal sacrifices, and it instills people with a sense of self-righteousness. In other words, it has the same drawbacks as religion. The OP is ostensibly warning readers about the dangers of dietary religiosity. Here I was thinking were just eating to survive in the way that makes sense to them. I don't see data for any 'penalties'. Sure, some people are dumb about it. Some people aren't. It's not that complicated. Eating "healthy" in any manner (whatever you define that is) takes some knowledge and effort. No more for being vegan than being an Atkins or low carb person or gluten free.
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Post by swamp on Sept 1, 2015 18:11:56 GMT -5
No doubt vegans can be healthy. They just need to make sure they eat the right foods to get enough protein and fat.
Ive met one that thinks French fries are a diet staple.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Sept 1, 2015 18:16:27 GMT -5
No doubt vegans can be healthy. They just need to make sure they eat the right foods to get enough protein and fat. Ive met one that thinks French fries are a diet staple. They're not?
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Post by cktc on Sept 1, 2015 18:37:55 GMT -5
Seriously, tons of the triathletes I know are vegan and are freaking rock solid hunks of muscle that do ironman tris. These are not weaklings crumbling over their lack of iron. I think athletes are more likely to make sure they are getting appropriate nutrition whatever their diet. I think the biggest health concern is picky eaters who hide their bad/restrictive habits behind a more friendly dietary label. In college I knew a "vegetarian" who was actually OCD and only ate yellow foods. He confessed his diet was primarily mac and cheese. Another kid was a "vegan" who hated vegetables, he lived on wheat bread and brown rice. I myself was a "vegetarian" for a year in high school, because I was sick of the family fast food diet. If I wasn't shopping or cooking I pretty much just ate carbs and cheese. I think the harmfulness of "clean" eating isn't just vegetarian or vegan though it's the marketing trends. There is always a new maligned food (or even food group) vs. the new wonder food. Most have made an appearance on both lists (eggs, avocado, coconut oil, grains, full fat anything). When margarine , crisco, low fat, and diet where the latest rage everything else was poison. It's a slow climb back and there are still people who cringe that I dare drink whole milk. I can see how restricting everything that ever gets a bad study will result in a very restricted diet with an excess of whatever is left.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 1, 2015 19:43:58 GMT -5
Although, to be honest, I'm not sure that Americans, as a rule, actually know what healthy eating and healthy bodies look like anymore. Which is why we need someone to be a spokesperson for healthy eating.
Even that person gets ridiculed. Michelle Obama is a big woman. Tall, athletic, and strong. And she gets shit for being fat.
But she does look chunky.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Sept 1, 2015 20:17:32 GMT -5
No doubt vegans can be healthy. They just need to make sure they eat the right foods to get enough protein and fat. Ive met one that thinks French fries are a diet staple. And people who think it ain't a meal if there's no meat need to make sure they eat a vegetable once in a while. It's not hard to eat a healthy vegan diet with plant-based protein and fats.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Sept 1, 2015 20:19:59 GMT -5
Which is why we need someone to be a spokesperson for healthy eating.
Even that person gets ridiculed. Michelle Obama is a big woman. Tall, athletic, and strong. And she gets shit for being fat.
But she does look chunky. You're kidding, right? I'd love to look that "chunky"! She has amazing arms! Just looked up her stats and she's 5'11", a size 8, with a 28 inch waist (mine is 29), and 39 inch hips (mine are about the same). I must be a short cow compared to her. My arms certainly aren't as toned.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Sept 1, 2015 20:35:49 GMT -5
You know who else had gotten sh!t for "looking chunky"? Serena Williams. Yeah, clothes probably don't flatter her one bit. But chunky?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 1, 2015 20:53:18 GMT -5
But she does look chunky. You're kidding, right? I'd love to look that "chunky"! She has amazing arms! Just looked up her stats and she's 5'11", a size 8, with a 28 inch waist (mine is 29), and 39 inch hips (mine are about the same). I must be a short cow compared to her. My arms certainly aren't as toned. Maybe it is how she is built. She seems to be small up top but has big thighs/butt. Maybe she looks chunky because she is out of proportion I would never guess she was a size 8. Before I gained weight I was a size 10 and looked much smaller than her on the butt/thigh section. I don't see how she is a size 8
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 1, 2015 20:54:33 GMT -5
You know who else had gotten sh!t for "looking chunky"? Serena Williams. Yeah, clothes probably don't flatter her one bit. But chunky? Maybe chunky is the wrong word. Just big.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Sept 1, 2015 21:07:17 GMT -5
You're kidding, right? I'd love to look that "chunky"! She has amazing arms! Just looked up her stats and she's 5'11", a size 8, with a 28 inch waist (mine is 29), and 39 inch hips (mine are about the same). I must be a short cow compared to her. My arms certainly aren't as toned. Maybe it is how she is built. She seems to be small up top but has big thighs/butt. Maybe she looks chunky because she is out of proportion I would never guess she was a size 8. Before I gained weight I was a size 10 and looked much smaller than her on the butt/thigh section. I don't see how she is a size 8 She is smaller up top, as am I. I measure 35-29-38, not too far off from the First Lady. I'm just six inches shorter. I guess since my measurements are close to hers, I see nothing disproportionate about her body!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 1, 2015 21:34:22 GMT -5
Maybe it is how she is built. She seems to be small up top but has big thighs/butt. Maybe she looks chunky because she is out of proportion I would never guess she was a size 8. Before I gained weight I was a size 10 and looked much smaller than her on the butt/thigh section. I don't see how she is a size 8 She is smaller up top, as am I. I measure 35-29-38, not too far off from the First Lady. I'm just six inches shorter. I guess since my measurements are close to hers, I see nothing disproportionate about her body! I've seen your pictures, you do not look to be built like her at all. That's why I'm questioning the size and stats that get thrown around for her. Either you wear clothes that flatter your figure or you are much smaller than her
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Post by imanangel on Sept 2, 2015 7:00:06 GMT -5
I think Michelle Obama looks amazing and fit. I seriously need her arm workout!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Sept 2, 2015 7:24:36 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is claiming it's impossible. Just that it's difficult to do without incurring medium-term and long-term penalties. It's time-consuming, it entails numerous personal sacrifices, and it instills people with a sense of self-righteousness. In other words, it has the same drawbacks as religion. The OP is ostensibly warning readers about the dangers of dietary religiosity. Here I was thinking were just eating to survive in the way that makes sense to them. I don't see data for any 'penalties'. Sure, some people are dumb about it. Some people aren't. It's not that complicated. Eating "healthy" in any manner (whatever you define that is) takes some knowledge and effort. No more for being vegan than being an Atkins or low carb person or gluten free. I gave the list of penalties earlier, straight from the mouth of my uncle on the front lines. Our family doctor says the exact same thing. People screwing up veganism and vegetarianism appears to be the norm, not the exception. Furthermore, doing it well is complicated, especially veganism. The assumption that it isn't is what gets people into trouble. I would never take on vegetarianism purely on a health basis. Sorry, cows, you're too tasty.
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Post by midjd on Sept 2, 2015 7:35:30 GMT -5
Most people photograph and video larger than they are. I've never seen Michelle Obama IRL but I'm sure she would be surprisingly tall and thin.
I remember being amazed at how tiny Matt Lauer and Al Roker were when we went to a taping of Today...
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Post by 973beachbum on Sept 2, 2015 7:46:58 GMT -5
Just reading the OP part about Rickets lets me know it is bunk. Rickets is a disorder that the body either doesn't get enough vitamin D, which is rare, or doesn't absorb it properly. Not getting enough vitamin D means the person isn't out in the sun for 10 minutes a day not not eating enough. Most of the time it is actually a problem with the body's own inability to absorb and process that vitamin D. The person gets enough. It just process it so the body can't absorb the calcium which causes the bone problems. It just makes me mad because an idiot wrote that and is going to cause people to worry and people may do something stupid because of fear that has nothing to to with reality.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 2, 2015 7:50:40 GMT -5
I have a close friend that went off the deep end with the healthy vegan foods, after at first his cholesterol dropped, then shot up over 300. oldcoyote on the other hand, who eats everything containing cholesterol, had a level of 28 for the good and 40 for the bad, This was just after I had a stent put into my heart, Dr. checking me out said I had the lowest cholesterol he had ever seen. I don't think what you eat is as important as personal chemistry and your level of exercise. A lot of vegetarian / vegan dietary (setting aside misguided 'compassion for animals' motivations) ideas are centered around the "lipid hypothesis" which is in short that eating saturated animal fats results in weight gain and high cholesterol. There's actually zero scientific evidence that a diet high in saturated animal fat and cholesterol results in weight gain, or is in any way connected to high cholesterol or atherosclerosis (hardening of the arteries) or heart disease. You read that right. There's none. In fact, there's actually a mountain of evidence that calories alone or exercise have any relationship to body weight. Virtually everything I learned about health and nutrition growing up is wrong. I am down 29 pounds after changing my diet to getting most of my calories from meat, and roughly 50% of my calories from fat-- mostly animal fats including butter. My LDL cholesterol went from 238 to 181 and my HDL is up from the 35 to 55. I do relatively light exercise- I jog about twice a week (though I walk every day with the dog), and I lift weights, and do pilates with the wife-- don't mock that shit, either. Holy crap that stuff is hard.Try barre - after 20 minutes of that you'll be begging for pilates.
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Post by skubikky on Sept 2, 2015 7:59:22 GMT -5
Yep. But hell if I'm going to take healthy eating advice from someone who looks like Kate Moss either. I'll take Michelle please. I also suspect that there isn't anything that Mrs. Obama says that you don't already know. Common sense.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Sept 2, 2015 11:06:14 GMT -5
Here I was thinking were just eating to survive in the way that makes sense to them. I don't see data for any 'penalties'. Sure, some people are dumb about it. Some people aren't. It's not that complicated. Eating "healthy" in any manner (whatever you define that is) takes some knowledge and effort. No more for being vegan than being an Atkins or low carb person or gluten free. I gave the list of penalties earlier, straight from the mouth of my uncle on the front lines. Our family doctor says the exact same thing. People screwing up veganism and vegetarianism appears to be the norm, not the exception. Furthermore, doing it well is complicated, especially veganism. The assumption that it isn't is what gets people into trouble. I would never take on vegetarianism purely on a health basis. Sorry, cows, you're too tasty. Oh. Anecdotal sayings from your uncle? You don't say. One doctor? I look at facts and data. Sorry. I love cows as much as the next person. In fact, in Argentina I swore I would eat cow every day it was so damn good. But it doesn't fit into my lifestyle very much.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Sept 2, 2015 11:07:56 GMT -5
Most people photograph and video larger than they are. I've never seen Michelle Obama IRL but I'm sure she would be surprisingly tall and thin. I remember being amazed at how tiny Matt Lauer and Al Roker were when we went to a taping of Today... This is true. I look like an fat round blob in most pictures. I'm a size 4/6 triathlete. Everyone calls me "tiny" in real life. We are so ingrained by photographs of ill and anorexic pictures of celebrities that are photoshopped to within an inch of their lives we forget what real human beings look like.
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