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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jul 28, 2015 13:04:47 GMT -5
I'd bankrupt myself for my child but not for any of my dogs. Even I have limits.... So does that make you a horrible human being like it does me? You even foster animals. BTW, I think what you do is great. Just not something I would be willing to do. I'm not going there. I'm just pointing out I've spent a huge portion of my life and bank account helping animals. But I have limits, too. That's all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 13:05:12 GMT -5
PEOPLE! How would you like it if I sat and talked about eating fried dogs! I love my Sparrow, Einstein, Louise, Thelma, Thelma, Thelma, Thelma and Thelma.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jul 28, 2015 13:05:23 GMT -5
I love good fried chicken & I am as white as they come! I don't like KFC. It is greasy. did KFC change their recipe over the years? Because I had it twice in the past year and couldn't eat it. WAY too much grease and salt. I think they did. I had it last month for the first time in years and couldn't eat it either. It was downright disgusting.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jul 28, 2015 13:06:25 GMT -5
PEOPLE! How would you like it if I sat and talked about eating fried dogs! I love my Sparrow, Einstein, Louise, Thelma, Thelma, Thelma, Thelma and Thelma. can we talk about fried eggs? poached eggs? sunnyside up? over easy?
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 28, 2015 13:07:55 GMT -5
Because there is no way I will be attacked and not respond. I just asked you not to get a dog. If a need arises and you are going to kill it because you think less than 2K is too much to spend on a dog, seriously please, I beg, do not get another dog. Oh lord! You go with that then. "I didn't imply you were horrible for not wanting to drain your bank accounts for an animal. I just suggested you shouldn't ever consider owning an animal because you aren't willing to do so". (Not a direct quote, just the way it came off to me).
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2015 13:07:53 GMT -5
what does being black have to do with anything? Fried chicken (when done right) is delicious, I don't care who you are. Right. Here we go again. People who make good fried chicken don't have to be black. Just like someone who doesn't have an insurance card with them does not have to be illegal. I actually suck horribly at making fried chicken. I made it once for X and his cousins. They probably would have gotten food poisoning if I hadn't seen the blood come out of one of the pieces someone bit into.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jul 28, 2015 13:08:15 GMT -5
Seven years ago they wanted to do hip surgery on my lab to the tune of $3600. I refused it and went the pain meds route. There is no way I could have come up with that kind of money back then without seriously threatening the well being of myself and my son. Six weeks later she was all better on her own and lived another 5 years until I had to put her down at age 12. She'd occasionally have bad spells where I'd Rimidyl her up for a few days, but for the most part she was fine. Had she not responded to the meds, I would have had her put down back then. It would have sucked. It sucked when she was 12 and in pain from the cancer. Hundreds of thousands of dogs are put down every year, living only inside a cage. Even if you only kept a dog a YEAR and then had to euthanize it do to medical problems you can't afford, you'd have still given that dog an extra year of life. A happy year filled with love that otherwise it wouldn't have had. No judgement on my part. Now, people that put down dogs just because they are inconvenient or need a small procedure that they CAN afford, then I judge. Not every dog needs to live in a mansion with rich owners. Pretty sure dogs just want someone to feed them and love them as long as they can.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 13:08:19 GMT -5
My barn cat. He's all alone now since his brother died and thinks he's a chicken.
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Post by beergut on Jul 28, 2015 13:08:45 GMT -5
Update: Dog is out of surgery.Spleen was 4x bigger than it should have been. There was either an infection/abscess, or cancer cutting off blood flow out of the spleen.
It wasn't twisted, growth was cutting off blood flow. He's sending it off to determine if cancerous and next steps.
So, hope an infection caused abnormal growth, and can be treated with antibiotics.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 28, 2015 13:10:09 GMT -5
Right. Here we go again. People who make good fried chicken don't have to be black. Just like someone who doesn't have an insurance card with them does not have to be illegal. I actually suck horribly at making fried chicken. I made it once for X and his cousins. They probably would have gotten food poisoning if I hadn't seen the blood come out of one of the pieces someone bit into. I'll teach you! I'm really good at it. I know, hard to believe since I'm not black. According to the girls, I suck at making tamales though. I guess I should turn in my membership card.
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Post by beergut on Jul 28, 2015 13:11:18 GMT -5
My understanding is that you kill younger chickens to make fried chicken, which is why it was considered a delicacy in the South prior to large-scale corporate chicken farming. The old racial stereotype about Blacks loving fried chicken comes from a scene in Birth Of A Nation depicting the Reconstruction Era Black politicians. It shows one sitting around, munching on fried chicken. The idea was that these Reconstruction Era Black politicians were so corrupt, they'd sit around munching on a delicacy like friend chicken like it was nothing, they were just that wasteful. what does being black have to do with anything? Fried chicken (when done right) is delicious, I don't care who you are. I'm explaining why I know you need young chickens for fried chicken. Because your next question after I reply, "You need young chickens for frying" was going to be, "Beergut, how do you know this amazing piece of information?"
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jul 28, 2015 13:11:29 GMT -5
I actually suck horribly at making fried chicken. I made it once for X and his cousins. They probably would have gotten food poisoning if I hadn't seen the blood come out of one of the pieces someone bit into. I'll teach you! I'm really good at it. I know, hard to believe since I'm not black. According to the girls, I suck at making tamales though. I guess I should turn in my membership card. Maybe your boobs don't know what a good tamale tastes like.
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Post by lexxy703 on Jul 28, 2015 13:12:46 GMT -5
I love good fried chicken & I am as white as they come! I don't like KFC. It is greasy. did KFC change their recipe over the years? Because I had it twice in the past year and couldn't eat it. WAY too much grease and salt. They probably used lard back in the day & had to change to canola oil or whatever is the new "healthy" oil. They probably have to soak the chicken longer to get the coating brown. This is just a guess but usually when a recipe changes for the worse it is because they are trying to make it healthier. Harris Teeter grocery stores have great fried chicken. I've heard Publix does too but we don't have Publix here.
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Post by dannylion on Jul 28, 2015 13:12:41 GMT -5
PEOPLE! How would you like it if I sat and talked about eating fried dogs! I love my Sparrow, Einstein, Louise, Thelma, Thelma, Thelma, Thelma and Thelma. Pretty chickens!
Which one is Thelma?
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Post by dannylion on Jul 28, 2015 13:13:53 GMT -5
Update: Dog is out of surgery.Spleen was 4x bigger than it should have been. There was either an infection/abscess, or cancer cutting off blood flow out of the spleen. It wasn't twisted, growth was cutting off blood flow. He's sending it off to determine if cancerous and next steps. So, hope an infection caused abnormal growth, and can be treated with antibiotics. Sending good thoughts for good news and a good outcome for the doggy!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 13:16:52 GMT -5
PEOPLE! How would you like it if I sat and talked about eating fried dogs! I love my Sparrow, Einstein, Louise, Thelma, Thelma, Thelma, Thelma and Thelma. Pretty chickens!
Which one is Thelma?
The three in back beneath the cherry tree and the two light colored ones between the cat and the younger ones in front (all the Thelma's look pretty much the same).
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jul 28, 2015 13:17:14 GMT -5
@hickle, THIS is how you make a thread a million pages, argue over animals.
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Post by beergut on Jul 28, 2015 13:18:30 GMT -5
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Post by dannylion on Jul 28, 2015 13:19:26 GMT -5
Pretty chickens!
Which one is Thelma?
The three in back beneath the cherry tree and the two light colored ones between the cat and the younger ones in front (all the Thelma's look pretty much the same).
Ohhhh, Thelma's especially pretty!
Wait, there's a cat? I thought that was just a really ugly chicken.
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Post by lexxy703 on Jul 28, 2015 13:21:40 GMT -5
Update: Dog is out of surgery.Spleen was 4x bigger than it should have been. There was either an infection/abscess, or cancer cutting off blood flow out of the spleen. It wasn't twisted, growth was cutting off blood flow. He's sending it off to determine if cancerous and next steps. So, hope an infection caused abnormal growth, and can be treated with antibiotics. Hoping for infection & antibiotics.
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Post by Angel! on Jul 28, 2015 13:23:42 GMT -5
The bolded parts is where I have no problem with your choices. You literally couldn't afford option A. You went with option B because that is all you could do. You admit it option B didn't work it really would have sucked.
You clearly did the best you could & loved the dog & would have hated putting her down & still hated putting her down when she was older.
I'm not seeing the same love & sentimentality & admitting it can be a hard decision from some other posters.
Affording is a tricky thing, though. I have $3,600. However, that is 6 weeks' worth of take-home pay for my household. So, can I afford to spend $3,600 on a dog? This sort of question is the reason why so many people are living paycheck to paycheck. I agree, that becomes really hard to weigh. There are so many factors - dog's age, chances of recovery, chances of additional bills, how much it hurts you financially to borrow/spend the amount needed, etc.
I totally agree there is a line in both what is a reasonable cost & what is reasonable care depending on the dog's age & condition. IMO a $1K surgery for an otherwise healthy dog that is likely to make a full recovery & not have other health problems is reasonable. In fact, I would feel guilty forever if I didn't spend the money. If I'd had a dog for 5 years, for me he would be part of the family, I would love him, & I would know that I am responsible for bringing him into this house & he loves us, so how can I not be willing to spend that if it buys him several more years with us? I would feel it was my obligation to do it for him. If I couldn't or wouldn't, then I never should have got him, then he would have had an opportunity to go to a better home where they were willing to do more for him. That's just my opinion & that's why I've been spending $150/month to buy my sick dog meds for the last 7 months to try to get him better. He loves me & he deserves at least that much from me.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jul 28, 2015 13:30:56 GMT -5
So now I'm starting to think about this. Do some people have a balance sheet when it comes to pets. I mean... there's upkeep and all. Do you get to a certain point and say... humm sorry you just crossed over to the too expensive category even without surgery or vet care. I mean there's dog food, vet bills (normal checkups and shots), maintenance meds (heartworm/flea), licensing, food bowls, leashes and other type things. How does one justify the ongoing expense but not a surgery that would save it's life. It's about quality of life after the surgery or whatever $$$ it needs. Many dogs die of cancer. If a dog has surgery to remove the cancer, often times it will just grow back. The quality of life during the recovery is not high. You have to weigh the pros and cons of subjecting an animal to cruel treatment for your own selfish reasons (love). Especially an older dog. I have one elderly dog, one older dog, and one younger dog. I know I have some tough choices in my future. My elderly dog has high liver enzyme levels and they wanted to biopsy. I said no. He acts fine, he feels fine. Not going to do it.
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Post by beergut on Jul 28, 2015 13:32:37 GMT -5
what does being black have to do with anything? Fried chicken (when done right) is delicious, I don't care who you are. Right. Here we go again. People who make good fried chicken don't have to be black. Just like someone who doesn't have an insurance card with them does not have to be illegal. Here we go again, with you assuming racism or prejudice everywhere you turn. I didn't say you have to be Black to make fried chicken, good or otherwise. You inserted that into the post. Quit with the straw man arguments. I simply said you can't make fried chicken out of older chickens, and explained why I happen to know this random piece of trivia. There are no racial connotations in my post. You have shown throughout your posting history, especially on this thread, that intellectual honesty is not important to you online, that winning arguments is the only thing that matters, so I'm not sure why I expect anything better from you.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jul 28, 2015 13:55:38 GMT -5
I just asked you not to get a dog. If a need arises and you are going to kill it because you think less than 2K is too much to spend on a dog, seriously please, I beg, do not get another dog. Oh lord! You go with that then. "I didn't imply you were horrible for not wanting to drain your bank accounts for an animal. I just suggested you shouldn't ever consider owning an animal because you aren't willing to do so". (Not a direct quote, just the way it came off to me). I don't even understand this post. WHAT I AM SAYING IS IF YOU HAVE DECIDED THAT $1900 IS TOO MUCH TO SPEND ON A DOG (REGARDLESS OF THE PROSPECT OF HEALTH) AND YOU WILL KILL IT INSTEAD, THEN DO NOT GET A DOG! I have no idea if you are horrible or not. I don't know you. you might be a lovely and giving person, I have no idea. But in the context of this discussion I do not think you make a very good dog owner.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 28, 2015 14:03:00 GMT -5
Right. Here we go again. People who make good fried chicken don't have to be black. Just like someone who doesn't have an insurance card with them does not have to be illegal. Here we go again, with you assuming racism or prejudice everywhere you turn. I didn't say you have to be Black to make fried chicken, good or otherwise. You inserted that into the post. Quit with the straw man arguments. I simply said you can't make fried chicken out of older chickens, and explained why I happen to know this random piece of trivia. There are no racial connotations in my post. You have shown throughout your posting history, especially on this thread, that intellectual honesty is not important to you online, that winning arguments is the only thing that matters, so I'm not sure why I expect anything better from you. I don't think that winning arguments is the most important thing and have never said so. You just spew BS about things you know nothing about and then when you get called out, try and turn it around. And why is what I think so important to you? You don't have to deal with me on any sort of regular basis.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jul 28, 2015 14:05:01 GMT -5
PEOPLE! How would you like it if I sat and talked about eating fried dogs! I love my Sparrow, Einstein, Louise, Thelma, Thelma, Thelma, Thelma and Thelma. Umm... that's a crazy chicken there (2nd from the left) I don't think I've seen that breed before. -note-One of these things is not like the others OMG! i didn't notice! i almost spit my tea on the screen!
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2015 14:05:46 GMT -5
Get a room, you two!!!!
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jul 28, 2015 14:06:18 GMT -5
There's that phrase someone mentioned on the how to make a thread longer.....intellectual honesty. How many more pages does that usually get us?
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 28, 2015 14:06:31 GMT -5
Oh lord! You go with that then. "I didn't imply you were horrible for not wanting to drain your bank accounts for an animal. I just suggested you shouldn't ever consider owning an animal because you aren't willing to do so". (Not a direct quote, just the way it came off to me). I don't even understand this post. WHAT I AM SAYING IS IF YOU HAVE DECIDED THAT $1900 IS TOO MUCH TO SPEND ON A DOG (REGARDLESS OF THE PROSPECT OF HEALTH) AND YOU WILL KILL IT INSTEAD, THEN DO NOT GET A DOG! I have no idea if you are horrible or not. I don't know you. you might be a lovely and giving person, I have no idea. But in the context of this discussion I do not think you make a very good dog owner. You don't have to like any choice I make. You also don't approve them. So we will have to agree to disagree.
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Post by CarolinaKat on Jul 28, 2015 14:15:27 GMT -5
My barn cat. He's all alone now since his brother died and thinks he's a chicken. I've got a good one up and coming. ~12-14 weeks and he's bringing me bugs already (He nailed me a wasp yesterday). I don't think DH would let me share though, he's pretty attached to this guy.
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