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Post by andi9899 on Jul 28, 2015 12:32:48 GMT -5
So, she didn't have to say the dog was like her kid... She just had to say she had a sentimental attachment to it, it was part of her family and had no other purpose... Which would be a lie. Why would I say that I felt that way when it's not true?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 12:32:49 GMT -5
Well, at least beer gets to feel smug about one of his decisions for awhile. Again though, if spending the money on the dog is such a good thing, why are you bitching about it? Go back to my update. Quote the part where I'm 'bitching about it'. There are several posters on here concerned about the dog, so I try to keep them updated. Yes, bitching about it was too harsh a description of your update. What I think is happening though is the emotions on dogs is overriding ongoing financial issues which will still need to be fixed.
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Post by beergut on Jul 28, 2015 12:33:53 GMT -5
For me at least... I couldn't care less what she said about her children. If she didn't have children and came in with the same attitude I would have called her out. Having children does not affect whether you view animals as disposal. And Not willing/able to pay thousands of dollars on a pet = thinking they are disposable...? No, saying a dog has a job to do and isn't part of the family and is like a household appliance = think they are disposable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 12:34:48 GMT -5
Seven years ago they wanted to do hip surgery on my lab to the tune of $3600. I refused it and went the pain meds route. There is no way I could have come up with that kind of money back then without seriously threatening the well being of myself and my son. Six weeks later she was all better on her own and lived another 5 years until I had to put her down at age 12. She'd occasionally have bad spells where I'd Rimidyl her up for a few days, but for the most part she was fine. Had she not responded to the meds, I would have had her put down back then. It would have sucked. It sucked when she was 12 and in pain from the cancer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 12:36:41 GMT -5
this is why chickens are such a great pet. if they get old you just make them into coq au vin and no one thinks you are bad for doing it. LOL Chickens for everyone! I have new babies if anyone is interested.
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Post by dannylion on Jul 28, 2015 12:37:19 GMT -5
Then own it and quit trying to back pedal and soften your stance. Your dogs are appliances to you. Dogs are disposable to you. Plain and simple. And I'm not sorry about my opinion on this... but I disagree. I don't know if that makes one a monster. But, I would prefer if people that didn't give a shit about animals didn't own them. Dogs are amazing creatures. They are wonderful & loving & smart & a dog trained to protect you would give it's life to do so. If you aren't going to love them like they deserve to be loved, then don't get one. They aren't disposable. They are living creatures with feelings.
Dogs have a limbic system similar in complexity to ours. They are not just dumb beasts. They understand what is happening around them and to them. They become very bonded and attuned to their people, even if those people treat them like appliances. To discard them when they become inconvenient is cruel and a stain on the soul of the human.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jul 28, 2015 12:37:31 GMT -5
And Not willing/able to pay thousands of dollars on a pet = thinking they are disposable...? Have you not read her posts? It comes down to this. Not once did she mention that she would evaluate the price tag based on the dog's situation. Here's what I've taken from her comments: Puppy with a full life ahead but needs $1900 surgery... to bad puppy hope the next model doesn't need the surgery. I'll make myself feel better and you off at a no kill shelter. Maybe some other sap will foot the bill for your surgery. If not it's ok... I didn't kill you myself... nor did I drop you off at the kill shelter, so I really am a responsible pet owner. I probably ought to back out of this thread... I generally don't become a rabid pet advocate... but this is one of my biggest hot buttons. Don't own the damn pets if you are not willing to take care of them. FFS they can't take care of themselves and by bringing them into your home you have agreed to be responsible for them. If you can't or won't afford them than get you pet jollys somewhere else that doesn't involve the suffering (or destruction) of living, breathing, sentient beings. actually her first post said she'd have the dog put down instead of doing the surgery... not send it off to a shelter.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 28, 2015 12:39:33 GMT -5
Exactly! A dog will never IMO be as valuable to me as one of my kids. If that makes me a monster, so be it. At least own your stance and don't change goal posts or whatever it is beer said. For fuck sake. I said this "I get putting kids above dogs, no one should do otherwise."
I guess if you don't love dogs, you just can't get why some people might have an issue with your stance on them.
I don't give a damn if anyone agrees with my stance. It's not going to make me change it. All it's doing is getting you guys worked up when there's no need. I still believe what I believe and so do you.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jul 28, 2015 12:39:55 GMT -5
It would depend on a lot of things. Including but not limited to the dog's age, the medical issues, quality of life after. I would not be willing to pay that kind of money for a dog. I would be willing to give it to a no kill shelter. Don't pretend for one second that you know me. You don't. You have the right to your opinions on dogs. I'm sure you loved your pets, but did not place them at the same value as humans. That's perfectly valid. But please don't ask a no kill shelter to take on medical bills that you are unwilling to pay yourself. As someone who volunteers at a no kill shelter, it's hard enough to find funds to pay for routine care. I volunteer at a no kill shelter as well, and we'd all rather take on a medical bill and help the dog get back to his full and happy life than see it killed because the surgery cost too much. We've actually done plenty of fundraisers to help out people with costly vet bills who cannot pay them.
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Post by Angel! on Jul 28, 2015 12:40:05 GMT -5
Seven years ago they wanted to do hip surgery on my lab to the tune of $3600. I refused it and went the pain meds route. There is no way I could have come up with that kind of money back then without seriously threatening the well being of myself and my son. Six weeks later she was all better on her own and lived another 5 years until I had to put her down at age 12. She'd occasionally have bad spells where I'd Rimidyl her up for a few days, but for the most part she was fine. Had she not responded to the meds, I would have had her put down back then. It would have sucked. It sucked when she was 12 and in pain from the cancer. The bolded parts is where I have no problem with your choices. You literally couldn't afford option A. You went with option B because that is all you could do. You admit it option B didn't work it really would have sucked.
You clearly did the best you could & loved the dog & would have hated putting her down & still hated putting her down when she was older.
I'm not seeing the same love & sentimentality & admitting it can be a hard decision from some other posters.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jul 28, 2015 12:41:00 GMT -5
For fuck sake. I said this "I get putting kids above dogs, no one should do otherwise."
I guess if you don't love dogs, you just can't get why some people might have an issue with your stance on them.
I don't give a damn if anyone agrees with my stance. It's not going to make me change it. All it's doing is getting you guys worked up when there's no need. I still believe what I believe and so do you. LOL then why respond if you don't care?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 12:41:32 GMT -5
Seven years ago they wanted to do hip surgery on my lab to the tune of $3600. I refused it and went the pain meds route. There is no way I could have come up with that kind of money back then without seriously threatening the well being of myself and my son. Six weeks later she was all better on her own and lived another 5 years until I had to put her down at age 12. She'd occasionally have bad spells where I'd Rimidyl her up for a few days, but for the most part she was fine. Had she not responded to the meds, I would have had her put down back then. It would have sucked. It sucked when she was 12 and in pain from the cancer. The bolded parts is where I have no problem with your choices. You literally couldn't afford option A. You went with option B because that is all you could do. You admit it option B didn't work it really would have sucked.
You clearly did the best you could & loved the dog & would have hated putting her down & still hated putting her down when she was older.
I'm not seeing the same love & sentimentality & admitting it can be a hard decision from some other posters.
I miss my dog.
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Post by Angel! on Jul 28, 2015 12:42:17 GMT -5
For fuck sake. I said this "I get putting kids above dogs, no one should do otherwise."
I guess if you don't love dogs, you just can't get why some people might have an issue with your stance on them.
I don't give a damn if anyone agrees with my stance. It's not going to make me change it. All it's doing is getting you guys worked up when there's no need. I still believe what I believe and so do you. Then why do you keep arguing & explaining how pretty & admired your previous pets were? That isn't going to change anyone's mind because you clear don't understand the issue.
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Post by Angel! on Jul 28, 2015 12:43:09 GMT -5
The bolded parts is where I have no problem with your choices. You literally couldn't afford option A. You went with option B because that is all you could do. You admit it option B didn't work it really would have sucked.
You clearly did the best you could & loved the dog & would have hated putting her down & still hated putting her down when she was older.
I'm not seeing the same love & sentimentality & admitting it can be a hard decision from some other posters.
I miss my dog.
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Post by beergut on Jul 28, 2015 12:45:17 GMT -5
this is why chickens are such a great pet. if they get old you just make them into coq au vin crispy, delicious fried chicken and no one thinks you are bad for doing it. improved My understanding is that you kill younger chickens to make fried chicken, which is why it was considered a delicacy in the South prior to large-scale corporate chicken farming. The old racial stereotype about Blacks loving fried chicken comes from a scene in Birth Of A Nation depicting the Reconstruction Era Black politicians. It shows one sitting around, munching on fried chicken. The idea was that these Reconstruction Era Black politicians were so corrupt, they'd sit around munching on a delicacy like friend chicken like it was nothing, they were just that wasteful. So you need younger chickens, which are more valuable, to make fried chicken, so you can't make them out of Archie's old chickens.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2015 12:51:50 GMT -5
My understanding is that you kill younger chickens to make fried chicken, which is why it was considered a delicacy in the South prior to large-scale corporate chicken farming. The old racial stereotype about Blacks loving fried chicken comes from a scene in Birth Of A Nation depicting the Reconstruction Era Black politicians. It shows one sitting around, munching on fried chicken. The idea was that these Reconstruction Era Black politicians were so corrupt, they'd sit around munching on a delicacy like friend chicken like it was nothing, they were just that wasteful. what does being black have to do with anything? Fried chicken (when done right) is delicious, I don't care who you are.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jul 28, 2015 12:52:19 GMT -5
My understanding is that you kill younger chickens to make fried chicken, which is why it was considered a delicacy in the South prior to large-scale corporate chicken farming. The old racial stereotype about Blacks loving fried chicken comes from a scene in Birth Of A Nation depicting the Reconstruction Era Black politicians. It shows one sitting around, munching on fried chicken. The idea was that these Reconstruction Era Black politicians were so corrupt, they'd sit around munching on a delicacy like friend chicken like it was nothing, they were just that wasteful. So you need younger chickens, which are more valuable, to make fried chicken, so you can't make them out of Archie's old chickens. YUM! fried chicken!
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jul 28, 2015 12:53:46 GMT -5
My understanding is that you kill younger chickens to make fried chicken, which is why it was considered a delicacy in the South prior to large-scale corporate chicken farming. The old racial stereotype about Blacks loving fried chicken comes from a scene in Birth Of A Nation depicting the Reconstruction Era Black politicians. It shows one sitting around, munching on fried chicken. The idea was that these Reconstruction Era Black politicians were so corrupt, they'd sit around munching on a delicacy like friend chicken like it was nothing, they were just that wasteful. what does being black have to do with anything? Fried chicken (when done right) is delicious, I don't care who you are. I think his point was that dirty old chickens need low slow cooking to make them tender, not high quick frying.
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Post by lexxy703 on Jul 28, 2015 12:55:05 GMT -5
My understanding is that you kill younger chickens to make fried chicken, which is why it was considered a delicacy in the South prior to large-scale corporate chicken farming. The old racial stereotype about Blacks loving fried chicken comes from a scene in Birth Of A Nation depicting the Reconstruction Era Black politicians. It shows one sitting around, munching on fried chicken. The idea was that these Reconstruction Era Black politicians were so corrupt, they'd sit around munching on a delicacy like friend chicken like it was nothing, they were just that wasteful. what does being black have to do with anything? Fried chicken (when done right) is delicious, I don't care who you are. I love good fried chicken & I am as white as they come! I don't like KFC. It is greasy.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jul 28, 2015 12:56:06 GMT -5
Seven years ago they wanted to do hip surgery on my lab to the tune of $3600. I refused it and went the pain meds route. There is no way I could have come up with that kind of money back then without seriously threatening the well being of myself and my son. Six weeks later she was all better on her own and lived another 5 years until I had to put her down at age 12. She'd occasionally have bad spells where I'd Rimidyl her up for a few days, but for the most part she was fine. Had she not responded to the meds, I would have had her put down back then. It would have sucked. It sucked when she was 12 and in pain from the cancer. The bolded parts is where I have no problem with your choices. You literally couldn't afford option A. You went with option B because that is all you could do. You admit it option B didn't work it really would have sucked.
You clearly did the best you could & loved the dog & would have hated putting her down & still hated putting her down when she was older.
I'm not seeing the same love & sentimentality & admitting it can be a hard decision from some other posters.
Affording is a tricky thing, though. I have $3,600. However, that is 6 weeks' worth of take-home pay for my household. So, can I afford to spend $3,600 on a dog? This sort of question is the reason why so many people are living paycheck to paycheck.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 28, 2015 12:57:54 GMT -5
I don't give a damn if anyone agrees with my stance. It's not going to make me change it. All it's doing is getting you guys worked up when there's no need. I still believe what I believe and so do you. LOL then why respond if you don't care? Because there is no way I will be attacked and not respond.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2015 12:58:12 GMT -5
what does being black have to do with anything? Fried chicken (when done right) is delicious, I don't care who you are. I think his point was that dirty old chickens need low slow cooking to make them tender, not high quick frying. no, that's when you make it into livestock feed.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 28, 2015 12:58:45 GMT -5
I don't give a damn if anyone agrees with my stance. It's not going to make me change it. All it's doing is getting you guys worked up when there's no need. I still believe what I believe and so do you. Then why do you keep arguing & explaining how pretty & admired your previous pets were? That isn't going to change anyone's mind because you clear don't understand the issue. I just responded to that.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jul 28, 2015 12:59:42 GMT -5
I think his point was that dirty old chickens need low slow cooking to make them tender, not high quick frying. no, that's when you make it into livestock feed. feeding chickens to other chickens. American Agroculture at its best.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 28, 2015 13:02:18 GMT -5
My understanding is that you kill younger chickens to make fried chicken, which is why it was considered a delicacy in the South prior to large-scale corporate chicken farming. The old racial stereotype about Blacks loving fried chicken comes from a scene in Birth Of A Nation depicting the Reconstruction Era Black politicians. It shows one sitting around, munching on fried chicken. The idea was that these Reconstruction Era Black politicians were so corrupt, they'd sit around munching on a delicacy like friend chicken like it was nothing, they were just that wasteful. what does being black have to do with anything? Fried chicken (when done right) is delicious, I don't care who you are. Right. Here we go again. People who make good fried chicken don't have to be black. Just like someone who doesn't have an insurance card with them does not have to be illegal.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jul 28, 2015 13:02:10 GMT -5
no, that's when you make it into livestock feed. feeding chickens to other chickens. American Agroculture at its best. Isn't that how mad cow disease came about? Feeding cows to cows.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jul 28, 2015 13:02:20 GMT -5
LOL then why respond if you don't care? Because there is no way I will be attacked and not respond. I just asked you not to get a dog. If a need arises and you are going to kill it because you think less than 2K is too much to spend on a dog, seriously please, I beg, do not get another dog.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2015 13:03:08 GMT -5
what does being black have to do with anything? Fried chicken (when done right) is delicious, I don't care who you are. I love good fried chicken & I am as white as they come! I don't like KFC. It is greasy. did KFC change their recipe over the years? Because I had it twice in the past year and couldn't eat it. WAY too much grease and salt.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jul 28, 2015 13:03:18 GMT -5
what does being black have to do with anything? Fried chicken (when done right) is delicious, I don't care who you are. Right. Here we go again. People who make good fried chicken don't have to be black. Just like someone who doesn't have an insurance card with them does not have to be illegal.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 28, 2015 13:03:51 GMT -5
feeding chickens to other chickens. American Agroculture at its best. Isn't that how mad cow disease came about? Feeding cows to cows. Is it really? I never knew that.
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