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Post by Angel! on Jul 28, 2015 14:16:54 GMT -5
I don't even understand this post. WHAT I AM SAYING IS IF YOU HAVE DECIDED THAT $1900 IS TOO MUCH TO SPEND ON A DOG (REGARDLESS OF THE PROSPECT OF HEALTH) AND YOU WILL KILL IT INSTEAD, THEN DO NOT GET A DOG! I have no idea if you are horrible or not. I don't know you. you might be a lovely and giving person, I have no idea. But in the context of this discussion I do not think you make a very good dog owner. You don't have to like any choice I make. You also don't approve them. So we will have to agree to disagree. But if you're going to discuss them on YM, then we sure the hell can comment on them & judge you based on them
And you can't pretend to be surprised, you threw in "Hate if you want to." in your first post on the subject. You knew it was a controversial response.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 14:18:38 GMT -5
Oh lord! You go with that then. "I didn't imply you were horrible for not wanting to drain your bank accounts for an animal. I just suggested you shouldn't ever consider owning an animal because you aren't willing to do so". (Not a direct quote, just the way it came off to me). I don't even understand this post. WHAT I AM SAYING IS IF YOU HAVE DECIDED THAT $1900 IS TOO MUCH TO SPEND ON A DOG (REGARDLESS OF THE PROSPECT OF HEALTH) AND YOU WILL KILL IT INSTEAD, THEN DO NOT GET A DOG! I have no idea if you are horrible or not. I don't know you. you might be a lovely and giving person, I have no idea. But in the context of this discussion I do not think you make a very good dog owner.
The posters here have told me more than once not to get a cat because I probably wouldn't be a good cat owner. I like cats, but I don't like everything cats do. As I explored the idea, it started to become clear that I'd really like a cat that acts like a dog. So no cats for me. Or dogs either for the near future. I can barely keep my houseplants alive these days. Well, actually some of my houseplants have died recently.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 14:25:51 GMT -5
My barn cat. He's all alone now since his brother died and thinks he's a chicken. I've got a good one up and coming. ~12-14 weeks and he's bringing me bugs already (He nailed me a wasp yesterday). I don't think DH would let me share though, he's pretty attached to this guy. I'm going to have to make a trip to the humane society one of these days. It's hard to get kittens for barn cats though, because they only allow cats that can't be adopted go as barn cats. Kind of silly I think since my barn cats have it pretty good.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 28, 2015 14:37:29 GMT -5
You don't have to like any choice I make. You also don't approve them. So we will have to agree to disagree. But if you're going to discuss them on YM, then we sure the hell can comment on them & judge you based on them
And you can't pretend to be surprised, you threw in "Hate if you want to." in your first post on the subject. You knew it was a controversial response.
I did. And you do have every right to your opinion. We don't ever have to see eye to eye. That's what makes this place so interesting.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jul 28, 2015 14:39:21 GMT -5
I don't even understand this post. WHAT I AM SAYING IS IF YOU HAVE DECIDED THAT $1900 IS TOO MUCH TO SPEND ON A DOG (REGARDLESS OF THE PROSPECT OF HEALTH) AND YOU WILL KILL IT INSTEAD, THEN DO NOT GET A DOG! I have no idea if you are horrible or not. I don't know you. you might be a lovely and giving person, I have no idea. But in the context of this discussion I do not think you make a very good dog owner.
The posters here have told me more than once not to get a cat because I probably wouldn't be a good cat owner. I like cats, but I don't like everything cats do. As I explored the idea, it started to become clear that I'd really like a cat that acts like a dog. So no cats for me. Or dogs either for the near future. I can barely keep my houseplants alive these days. Well, actually some of my houseplants have died recently. i have a dog that acts like a cat half the time.
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Post by CarolinaKat on Jul 28, 2015 14:40:14 GMT -5
I've got a good one up and coming. ~12-14 weeks and he's bringing me bugs already (He nailed me a wasp yesterday). I don't think DH would let me share though, he's pretty attached to this guy. I'm going to have to make a trip to the humane society one of these days. It's hard to get kittens for barn cats though, because they only allow cats that can't be adopted go as barn cats. Kind of silly I think since my barn cats have it pretty good. He's the kid of a feral that found my place, no idea she was pregnant. He's being showed the ropes by a young male that was abandoned and found my place. There's plenty of prey where I live, and my outbuildings provide a good shelter, so I end up home base for abandoned and feral animals. I think that kittens that are raised indoors have a difficult time being barn cats. I adopt out any kittens that I have to hand raise. The ones that are outdoor their entire lives learn what to eat and not to cross the road and cars are bad, climb the tree if you're chased type-stuff early, so they survive better. This is probably the reasoning of the Humane society.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 14:49:16 GMT -5
The posters here have told me more than once not to get a cat because I probably wouldn't be a good cat owner. I like cats, but I don't like everything cats do. As I explored the idea, it started to become clear that I'd really like a cat that acts like a dog. So no cats for me. Or dogs either for the near future. I can barely keep my houseplants alive these days. Well, actually some of my houseplants have died recently. i have a dog that acts like a cat half the time. LOL! I've never heard of such!
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Post by vonna on Jul 28, 2015 14:55:42 GMT -5
The posters here have told me more than once not to get a cat because I probably wouldn't be a good cat owner. I like cats, but I don't like everything cats do. As I explored the idea, it started to become clear that I'd really like a cat that acts like a dog.
So no cats for me. Or dogs either for the near future. I can barely keep my houseplants alive these days. Well, actually some of my houseplants have died recently. This statement cracked me up! When DH and I were in the very early stages of dating, I knew that his dog was a "basenji" and he knew that my cat was a "ragdoll" We had each never heard of the other's breed of animal, and we both looked the other's pet breed up online.
Turns out basenji's are often described as "dogs who often think they are cats" and ragdolls are described as " puppy-like cats"
No wonder we are a pretty good match!! (Our pets also got along well!)
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2015 15:09:53 GMT -5
where has he been BTW?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 15:10:01 GMT -5
I've got a good one up and coming. ~12-14 weeks and he's bringing me bugs already (He nailed me a wasp yesterday). I don't think DH would let me share though, he's pretty attached to this guy. I'm going to have to make a trip to the humane society one of these days. It's hard to get kittens for barn cats though, because they only allow cats that can't be adopted go as barn cats. Kind of silly I think since my barn cats have it pretty good. I can bring you a box, where can we meet? I am so upset at friend... Who didn't have the money to get cats fixed and has like 20 kittens now.... And so, what should the minimum Pet EF be before we allow people to own an animal. Because I know a lot that can't afford 2k bills.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 15:19:17 GMT -5
I'm going to have to make a trip to the humane society one of these days. It's hard to get kittens for barn cats though, because they only allow cats that can't be adopted go as barn cats. Kind of silly I think since my barn cats have it pretty good. I can bring you a box, where can we meet? I am so upset at friend... Who didn't have the money to get cats fixed and has like 20 kittens now.... And so, what should the minimum Pet EF be before we allow people to own an animal. Because I know a lot that can't afford 2k bills. Yeah, we're in the country and have neighbors like this too. Lots of barn cats...none of them fixed. I might go that route yet and just get 2-3 "free" kittens and stick all the money in them. Through the humane society it's $85 and all they are fixed with all their shots. They do have deals for spay/neuter of barn cats though and I think I can get them done for $25-$50. My barn is starting to get critters beyond goats, horses and chickens.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 28, 2015 15:30:13 GMT -5
I don't even understand this post. WHAT I AM SAYING IS IF YOU HAVE DECIDED THAT $1900 IS TOO MUCH TO SPEND ON A DOG (REGARDLESS OF THE PROSPECT OF HEALTH) AND YOU WILL KILL IT INSTEAD, THEN DO NOT GET A DOG! I have no idea if you are horrible or not. I don't know you. you might be a lovely and giving person, I have no idea. But in the context of this discussion I do not think you make a very good dog owner.
The posters here have told me more than once not to get a cat because I probably wouldn't be a good cat owner. I like cats, but I don't like everything cats do. As I explored the idea, it started to become clear that I'd really like a cat that acts like a dog. So no cats for me. Or dogs either for the near future. I can barely keep my houseplants alive these days. Well, actually some of my houseplants have died recently. We have an office cat that acts like a dog that we are trying to re home. I think he's going to a nursing home which will really make the patients laugh because he's so UN cat like!
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jul 28, 2015 15:40:11 GMT -5
i have a dog that acts like a cat half the time. LOL! I've never heard of such! he's been crawling up and laying on the back of the couch so he can stare out the window...
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jul 28, 2015 15:46:38 GMT -5
There's that phrase someone mentioned on the how to make a thread longer.....intellectual honesty. How many more pages does that usually get us? LOL - I thought that was a savoir faire invention! Now - everyone is using it? I saw it on hickle's thread about how to get more pages on a thread. I think it shows up more often on boards I avoid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 15:47:11 GMT -5
My cat acts like a dog. Cat haters even like him. He's going to be the next to go I think. He's 15 and starting to slow down. BTW, this cat I did spend a fortune on back in 2000. He was a barn kitten and got run over by a snowmobile. We found him actually groomed into the trail and we had to chisel him out. We thought his back was broken because he couldn't get up, but turns out he had two badly broken legs. $1500 later the legs were put back together with rods and a few weeks after that he rebroke one of them jumping off the washing machine and had to go back into surgery.
He's been a house cat ever since. No way was I going to let him back out to get eaten by a coyote after sticking all that money in him!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 16:19:11 GMT -5
We have a few catch, fix and release programs around here for cats.
I had to prepare my mom before we went to Romania to remember that non first world people don't have the same mindset towards animals.
Seriously if I told MIL stories about special diet food, Prozac for kitties, etc. ... She would assume we were crazy people. I soooooo wanted to call someone to help the old dog living out his last days we were there, to end it humanely, but reality there is no one there to do that. There is a government program to euthanize wild dogs, but not assist even with end of life for pets.
But then when I have relatives there still living without indoor plumbing, or even indoor water of any kind, in four room (or less) dwellings where one room typically holds the horse... Well, you know. If I told them I was spending 2000 on a pet ... And animals do work there.
It has been contentious sometimes here because husband questions even routine maintnance for the dogs. I do not think we will have any pets after these dogs pass.
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Jul 28, 2015 16:37:14 GMT -5
I've got a good one up and coming. ~12-14 weeks and he's bringing me bugs already (He nailed me a wasp yesterday). I don't think DH would let me share though, he's pretty attached to this guy. I'm going to have to make a trip to the humane society one of these days. It's hard to get kittens for barn cats though, because they only allow cats that can't be adopted go as barn cats. Kind of silly I think since my barn cats have it pretty good. When I was a child, my parents decided that my kitten who would not use that litter box would have a much happier life as a barn cat at my uncle's farm. A while later, we were told he was stepped on by a horse and died instantly. Just a few years ago, my cousin confessed that the kitten actually froze to death. It was an exceptionally bad winter that year, so I don't think anyone really anticipated my kitten freezing to death when we sent him to the farm. My mom was actually calling to bring him home when she was told he had died. I think the whole incident was hardest on my parents because they really talked up the carefree life of a barn cat, and then we had the worst possible outcome. When you live on a farm, there is a distinction between working animals and pets that can be hard for some of us city folk to understand. Back on topic, I think there is a lot of variation in the amount of affection people have for animals, and as long as someone is not neglecting or abusing an animal, all opinions should be okay. The problem is that people can have really different ideas of what constitutes neglect (including medical neglect) and abuse. Back on the original topic, maybe beergut's girlfriend is one of those people who makes poorly timed, inappropriate jokes when she is upset and stressed out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 16:51:37 GMT -5
When I was a child, my parents decided that my kitten who would not use that litter box would have a much happier life as a barn cat at my uncle's farm. A while later, we were told he was stepped on by a horse and died instantly. Just a few years ago, my cousin confessed that the kitten actually froze to death. It was an exceptionally bad winter that year, so I don't think anyone really anticipated my kitten freezing to death when we sent him to the farm. My mom was actually calling to bring him home when she was told he had died. I think the whole incident was hardest on my parents because they really talked up the carefree life of a barn cat, and then we had the worst possible outcome. When you live on a farm, there is a distinction between working animals and pets that can be hard for some of us city folk to understand. For sure barn cats are exposed to a lot more perils than a house cat. The average life expectancy for a barn cat is only 8, but I do think they're awfully happy living...you know...up until they're not. My house cat would absolutely LOVE to be outside, he longs for it with every fiber of his being. Having said that, my barn cats would never freeze to death, are given all their shots (makes a huge difference since distemper wipes out a large percentage of outside cats) and they have access to good food and fresh water so they don't NEED to kill critters if they don't want to, but most do!
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Jul 28, 2015 17:11:06 GMT -5
When I was a child, my parents decided that my kitten who would not use that litter box would have a much happier life as a barn cat at my uncle's farm. A while later, we were told he was stepped on by a horse and died instantly. Just a few years ago, my cousin confessed that the kitten actually froze to death. It was an exceptionally bad winter that year, so I don't think anyone really anticipated my kitten freezing to death when we sent him to the farm. My mom was actually calling to bring him home when she was told he had died. I think the whole incident was hardest on my parents because they really talked up the carefree life of a barn cat, and then we had the worst possible outcome. When you live on a farm, there is a distinction between working animals and pets that can be hard for some of us city folk to understand. For sure barn cats are exposed to a lot more perils than a house cat. The average life expectancy for a barn cat is only 8, but I do think they're awfully happy living...you know...up until they're not. My house cat would absolutely LOVE to be outside, he longs for it with every fiber of his being. Having said that, my barn cats would never freeze to death, are given all their shots (makes a huge difference since distemper wipes out a large percentage of outside cats) and they have access to good food and fresh water so they don't NEED to kill critters if they don't want to, but most do! I think one of my current house cats would absolutely love being a barn cat. Luckily, I don't know anyone with a farm around here because I sleep best when he is on the pillow next to me. My kitten just had bad luck, and I am glad it wasn't my decision to make back then. In the end, I suppose I prefer the idea of him living the barn cat dream for a few months to him sitting in a cage at a shelter until he was eventually euthanized.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Jul 28, 2015 17:21:45 GMT -5
For sure barn cats are exposed to a lot more perils than a house cat. The average life expectancy for a barn cat is only 8, but I do think they're awfully happy living...you know...up until they're not. My house cat would absolutely LOVE to be outside, he longs for it with every fiber of his being. Having said that, my barn cats would never freeze to death, are given all their shots (makes a huge difference since distemper wipes out a large percentage of outside cats) and they have access to good food and fresh water so they don't NEED to kill critters if they don't want to, but most do! The Oatmeal has a comic that explains this pretty well. theoatmeal.com/comics/cats_actually_kill
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 28, 2015 17:24:51 GMT -5
I wish the office cat could come home again but he needs to be an only child.
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Post by cktc on Jul 28, 2015 17:46:52 GMT -5
I think it’s great that people are willing and able to spend $1000s of dollars on their pets, but shelters are overflowing, and healthy animals are euthanized every day because there aren’t enough people willing to take on the volume of homeless pets. I don’t care how much a potential owner is willing to spend in a lifetime, any length of pet ownership can better an animal’s life and free up shelter resources to extend the life of many more.
I feel guilty feeding my two cats their high end grain free food when there are straggly cats running around the neighborhood happy to get scraps. I don’t feel altruistic and pat myself on the back and lift my nose at others who give their cats meow mix. I could take my cats off the yuppie food and help more kitties, instead I’ve set up my own little American dream and closed the borders. It’s terrible and selfish of me to say these two fuzzy lives are worth more than all the others because I took them in, they are cute, we have a bond, and I can.
Until we can tackle pet populations, expecting every potential pet owners to provide more than food, water, shelter, and basic veterinary care seems a bit out of touch. There is more than one way to be an animal lover.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 18:04:43 GMT -5
LOL! I've never heard of such! he's been crawling up and laying on the back of the couch so he can stare out the window... A coworker showed me video of his Cane Corso (sp?) lounging in a tree. He was laying on the tree branch, chilling out, like he was suppose to be there lol. The tree was next to a wood fence and the dog was up higher than the top of the fence! He said he gets up in the tree all the time. I'd never heard of that either. And probably wouldn't have believed him if he hadn't showed me the video. Lol!
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Jul 28, 2015 18:07:22 GMT -5
For sure barn cats are exposed to a lot more perils than a house cat. The average life expectancy for a barn cat is only 8, but I do think they're awfully happy living...you know...up until they're not. My house cat would absolutely LOVE to be outside, he longs for it with every fiber of his being. Having said that, my barn cats would never freeze to death, are given all their shots (makes a huge difference since distemper wipes out a large percentage of outside cats) and they have access to good food and fresh water so they don't NEED to kill critters if they don't want to, but most do! The Oatmeal has a comic that explains this pretty well. theoatmeal.com/comics/cats_actually_kill When I used to let my well-fed wannabe barn cat out, he returned with the following: -A live mouse that I didn't notice until he dropped it in the kitchen -A large bird that left a huge blood stain on the patio -Multiple lizards with missing limbs -Two baby bunnies, or possibly the same bunny twice I was able to free the bunnies, but their screams haunt me still. I don't let my cat out anymore. He has gotten used to it and is a lot cleaner and healthier now. However, if we lived in an area where it would be more practical, I would consider letting him out again. He really seemed happy and proud when he brought home a gift.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 28, 2015 18:18:46 GMT -5
I'm mean. I put suet and peanuts out for the birds and let Sheldon sit at the door and watch the birds come in to eat. I call it Sheldonvision, and it keeps him frustrated amused for hours.
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Post by resolution on Jul 28, 2015 18:41:25 GMT -5
It sounds like a lot of posters would rather have the dogs at the pound euthanized today rather than taken home and cared for by someone that doesn't want to commit to thousands of dollars in medical bills.
I don't have any pets and I have been considering adopting a dog from the humane society, but I doubt I would spend thousands on surgeries. I guess it is one more reason for me to just not adopt any and not to visit the pound.
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Post by dannylion on Jul 28, 2015 18:45:01 GMT -5
When I used to let my well-fed wannabe barn cat out, he returned with the following: -A live mouse that I didn't notice until he dropped it in the kitchen -A large bird that left a huge blood stain on the patio -Multiple lizards with missing limbs -Two baby bunnies, or possibly the same bunny twice I was able to free the bunnies, but their screams haunt me still. I don't let my cat out anymore. He has gotten used to it and is a lot cleaner and healthier now. However, if we lived in an area where it would be more practical, I would consider letting him out again. He really seemed happy and proud when he brought home a gift. I once accidentally cornered a tiny baby bunny while working in my garden. I was so enchanted by the cute bunnyness of the baby bunny that without even thinking, I picked it up so I could pet it. You wouldn't think anything that small could make so much noise. Its little heart was pounding so hard I thought it was about to have a stroke. So I carefully put it down in an open area so it could run away and vowed never to harass a baby bunny ever again, no matter how cute it was. For the rest of that summer, I kept encountering a young and growing rabbit in my yard that just wasn't quite right. It had a haunted look in its eyes and would leap into the air at the slightest provocation. I assumed it was the poor bunny I tried to pet still suffering the effects of the trauma. I felt really bad for it and used to put out carrots and lettuce and alfalfa as special treats for it. I still feel guilty.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 18:57:42 GMT -5
It sounds like a lot of posters would rather have the dogs at the pound euthanized today rather than taken home and cared for by someone that doesn't want to commit to thousands of dollars in medical bills.
I don't have any pets and I have been considering adopting a dog from the humane society, but I doubt I would spend thousands on surgeries. I guess it is one more reason for me to just not adopt any and not to visit the pound. I'm with cktc, I think any animal that you adopted would be lucky to be given more time even if you went into it with the attitude that you wouldn't spend thousands on a surgery. Except my chickens and one horse, all the animals I have here are rescues. All were facing death. The cats and the dog (who is no longer with me) were shelter animals, the goats were at an auction and the Hmongs were just dying to get them cheap, the ponies were confiscated abuse cases and part of a sheriff's auction. They were the two of the 30 or so that didn't get bids and I bitched and moaned when the sheriff and my aunt tugged at my heart strings saying they would be euthanized, but finally agreed to take them 4 years ago. Even the damn gecko is a rescue (and by the way, I don't think those things die, she was 6 when we got her in 2006). They all got a lot of years they never would have and they have a good life with good food and pampering.
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Post by Bonny on Jul 28, 2015 18:58:05 GMT -5
i have a dog that acts like a cat half the time. LOL! I've never heard of such! You might look into a Siamese Mix. They will follow you around and "talk" to you...a lot!
I had one (actually most black cats are supposed to have Siamese in them) who played fetch for a couple of years. The one caution is that if you want a cat that is that social you really need to spend time with them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 19:00:54 GMT -5
It sounds like a lot of posters would rather have the dogs at the pound euthanized today rather than taken home and cared for by someone that doesn't want to commit to thousands of dollars in medical bills.
I don't have any pets and I have been considering adopting a dog from the humane society, but I doubt I would spend thousands on surgeries. I guess it is one more reason for me to just not adopt any and not to visit the pound. This is just my personal opinion....... If a person takes in a stray dog or gets one from the shelter, I think they should be kind, treat it well, give it a good home and at least basic medical care. If a person buys a dog from a breeder or (hopefully not) a pet store, I do expect them to be willing to go a little further with what they're willing to do for the dog. I guess because I think that if they can spend a few hundred or more for a dog, they should be prepared to cover unexpected medical expenses. I don't think stray dogs are less valuable or worthy than purebred dogs and I may not be explaining my thoughts well, but I think if you buy a dog you ought to be willing and prepared to do more than just basic care.
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