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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2015 11:48:46 GMT -5
okay, so apparently not willing to go into deep debt or bankruptcy for your pet makes you evil. Got it. I love my animals, but my kids and my future come first. Hate away, but I do think of the bottom line. it's okay - I'll meet you in hell. My mom isn't an animal person (which I think is weird) so I never had a real pet. Once DS is a little older, I have my own place, and a better income I'd like to get a pet. Probably a cat. But I'm not willing to cash in my 401k for it, so maybe not.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 28, 2015 11:49:54 GMT -5
beergut, did you get an estimate for the pool yet?
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Post by beergut on Jul 28, 2015 11:50:14 GMT -5
Dogs are not investments, and shouldn't be treated as such. If there is a dollar amount threshold that would make you want to put them to sleep, I don't think you should be a dog owner. Show me where I called a dog an investment. I didn't. And you are entitled to your opinion. I have had healthy dog for years. Right now, I want another one but don't want to care for one. So you are half correct. Right now, I shouldn't own any animals which is why I don't have one or plan to get one. But I am in no way unfit. I would always get comments about how beautiful and obviously well cared for my dogs were from random people and my vet. Since I'm not willing to do that kind of upkeep these days, I don't have one. Know what you are talking about before you comment. I think we've had this discussion before if you remember. If you are setting a dollar amount on the life of a dog, and saying there is a point (and a low point, given your quote above) that you would have him put down, you are making a cost/benefit ratio, so you are looking at it as an investment. Whether you want to acknowledge that or just try to claim "I never said those exact words" so you can win an internet argument is up to you. Yes, we had a different discussion where you called me an ignorant racist because I had the temerity to disagree with you. There appear to be few levels you won't sink to in order to win an internet argument.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2015 11:50:22 GMT -5
I blame those Sarah McLaughlin commercials. snort. I cannot believe how LONG those commercials are. I am so glad I don't have cable anymore so I can't see them. I couldn't sit through them without tearing up.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2015 11:51:04 GMT -5
beergut, did you get an estimate for the pool yet? LMAO!!!! POTD
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 28, 2015 11:51:17 GMT -5
that's a bit unfair. Everything has a job and role - even kids. Their job isn't just to exist - biologically, their job (and all our jobs) is to survive and procreate. Are you going to compare them to a stove? Not the same thing at all. She specifically said the dog is not a member of the family. The dog is only there for the purpose of protecting the family. She applied no more sentimentality to the dog than a broken security system that would be cheaper to replace than fix.
That isn't at all comparable to how she would view kids (at least I hope not ).
To me a dog is not a member of the family and it does have a job. And no, I would not be willing to pay that kind of money for it. I would either put it down or give it to a shelter. That doesn't make me a monster. And you're right. It's not at all comparable to how I view people. I joke around a lot about the girls sometimes, but they know that if there is any one person in the world that has their back it's me. I would spend every dime I had to provide for them and make them happy. I would not afford that same monetary expense to a dog. Again, hate if you want.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jul 28, 2015 11:51:44 GMT -5
she said the dog wasn't family it had a job to protect the family and she wasn't willing to put in $1900 to keep the dog alive in order for it to do its job. hell, lots of appliances cost $1900+ That is vastly different than a 10k surgery. a 10k surgery is a whole other ballgame. So. You have a number too. Yours is just higher. 10k surgery is a whole other ball game because it generally means something is seriously wrong. something that probably has lasting issues and changes the quality of life for the dog. I've never heard of a surgery for 10k where everything was A-OK after. The vet bills that roll that high generally deal with cancer and tumors, etc.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jul 28, 2015 11:52:55 GMT -5
Ok, go to Carl's thread about wanting a dog now. They're also trying for a kid. Talk him down please.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 28, 2015 11:54:02 GMT -5
Ok, go to Carl's thread about wanting a dog now. They're also trying for a kid. Talk him down please. What is wrong with wanting another dog? And God only knows when we will have a kid, the dog might be 2-3 by then.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jul 28, 2015 11:54:29 GMT -5
I've spent thousands of dollars fixing up dogs that aren't even mine (foster animals). It was worth it to me.
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Post by Angel! on Jul 28, 2015 11:54:40 GMT -5
Not the same thing at all. She specifically said the dog is not a member of the family. The dog is only there for the purpose of protecting the family. She applied no more sentimentality to the dog than a broken security system that would be cheaper to replace than fix.
That isn't at all comparable to how she would view kids (at least I hope not ).
To me a dog is not a member of the family and it does have a job. And no, I would not be willing to pay that kind of money for it. I would either put it down or give it to a shelter. That doesn't make me a monster. And you're right. It's not at all comparable to how I view people. I joke around a lot about the girls sometimes, but they know that if there is any one person in the world that has their back it's me. I would spend every dime I had to provide for them and make them happy. I would not afford that same monetary expense to a dog. Again, hate if you want. That's fine. But don't get all upset when beer says you basically consider a dog to be an investment. Or I would say you look at it like a household appliance. You can't say we are wrong while saying all of the above is true.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 11:56:01 GMT -5
So first world middle+ class issue to wonder how many thousands is worth spending on a pet.
I have lots lots of friends who wouldn't be able to come up with $1900 for their child, let alone an animal. It's just reality.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jul 28, 2015 11:57:10 GMT -5
it's her dog, she should be able to afford its care. I also think it's funny that you shouldn't be picking up the tab for her kids' stuff, yet you should be chipping in no questions asked for her dog. People can be merciless when it comes to other people, even children, but have a soft spot for dogs. My favorite example of this is the NFL. You can rob, rape, beat your wife, murder, and still play in the NFL, and there will ALWAYS be some people who will support you. But the minute word came out Michael Vick was fighting and mistreating dogs? OH HELL NO!!! He had death threats, he received a prison sentence, and I still know people who would happily watch him be mauled to death by rabid wolverines. People have a soft spot for dogs they don't have for others, especially other human beings. i'm cool with disbanding the NFL!
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 28, 2015 11:57:17 GMT -5
I'm not her so obviously I can't speak for her, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say what she probably meant was that if one of her girls needed a $10k surgery, she'd do whatever she could to see that her daughter got it. Her dog? Not so much. I think she meant that the dog does not have equal billing with her daughters. But, we aren't talking $10K. I get not wanting to spend $10K on a dog. She basically said no way in hell an otherwise healthy dog is worth even the $1000 the surgery will cost. I get putting kids above dogs, no one should do otherwise. But she put her dog into the same category as an appliance, not worth the money to fix, not worth getting sentimental over, and not part of the family.
I must have missed this comment. It's pretty right on. I would do anything I had to for one of my girls. I would not spend a ton of money on a dog.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2015 11:58:04 GMT -5
Ok, go to Carl's thread about wanting a dog now. They're also trying for a kid. Talk him down please. What is wrong with wanting another dog? And God only knows when we will have a kid, the dog might be 2-3 by then. fertility treatments, Crossfit, another dog.... you're makin it rain bruh!!!
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 28, 2015 11:59:14 GMT -5
What is wrong with wanting another dog? And God only knows when we will have a kid, the dog might be 2-3 by then. fertility treatments, Crossfit, another dog.... you're makin it rain bruh!!! You can't take it with you!
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Post by Angel! on Jul 28, 2015 11:59:21 GMT -5
To me a dog is not a member of the family and it does have a job. And no, I would not be willing to pay that kind of money for it. I would either put it down or give it to a shelter. That doesn't make me a monster. And you're right. It's not at all comparable to how I view people. I joke around a lot about the girls sometimes, but they know that if there is any one person in the world that has their back it's me. I would spend every dime I had to provide for them and make them happy. I would not afford that same monetary expense to a dog. Again, hate if you want. Then own it and quit trying to back pedal and soften your stance. Your dogs are appliances to you. Dogs are disposable to you. Plain and simple. And I'm not sorry about my opinion on this... but I disagree. I don't know if that makes one a monster. But, I would prefer if people that didn't give a shit about animals didn't own them. Dogs are amazing creatures. They are wonderful & loving & smart & a dog trained to protect you would give it's life to do so. If you aren't going to love them like they deserve to be loved, then don't get one. They aren't disposable. They are living creatures with feelings.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 28, 2015 12:00:17 GMT -5
So first world middle+ class issue to wonder how many thousands is worth spending on a pet. I have lots lots of friends who wouldn't be able to come up with $1900 for their child, let alone an animal. It's just reality. Pretty sure growing up my parents didn't have that kind of money. Hell they couldn't come up with $1200 on short notice my senior year for 4 dual credit courses. Now where I live now that's a mortgage payment for many people or part of one.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jul 28, 2015 12:00:18 GMT -5
Ok, go to Carl's thread about wanting a dog now. They're also trying for a kid. Talk him down please. What is wrong with wanting another dog? And God only knows when we will have a kid, the dog might be 2-3 by then. What about your fence? You remind me of my 2 yo picking out a toy at the store. I want this one. No, I really want this one. Ooh, I want that one over there!
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2015 12:00:37 GMT -5
fertility treatments, Crossfit, another dog.... you're makin it rain bruh!!! You can't take it with you! you can if you line your casket with dollar bills!
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Post by Angel! on Jul 28, 2015 12:01:04 GMT -5
But, we aren't talking $10K. I get not wanting to spend $10K on a dog. She basically said no way in hell an otherwise healthy dog is worth even the $1000 the surgery will cost. I get putting kids above dogs, no one should do otherwise. But she put her dog into the same category as an appliance, not worth the money to fix, not worth getting sentimental over, and not part of the family.
I must have missed this comment. It's pretty right on. I would do anything I had to for one of my girls. I would not spend a ton of money on a dog. I'm confused as to why you are even arguing then. Beer's opinion is dead-on, yet you went on & on about "you don't know me". Maybe not, but in this case he was right.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 28, 2015 12:01:47 GMT -5
What is wrong with wanting another dog? And God only knows when we will have a kid, the dog might be 2-3 by then. What about your fence? You remind me of my 2 yo picking out a toy at the store. I want this one. No, I really want this one. Ooh, I want that one over there! Fence is back to the bottom of the list unless the school can do it for cheaper... Aka 5 years from now And I want that and that and that...
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 28, 2015 12:02:44 GMT -5
You can't take it with you! you can if you line your casket with dollar bills! That is one way to pimp out one's casket
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2015 12:02:45 GMT -5
Then own it and quit trying to back pedal and soften your stance. Your dogs are appliances to you. Dogs are disposable to you. Plain and simple. And I'm not sorry about my opinion on this... but I disagree. I don't know if that makes one a monster. But, I would prefer if people that didn't give a shit about animals didn't own them. Dogs are amazing creatures. They are wonderful & loving & smart & a dog trained to protect you would give it's life to do so. If you aren't going to love them like they deserve to be loved, then don't get one. They aren't disposable. They are living creatures with feelings. wow, you took it from her saying she wouldn't pay $2k to keep an old and very sick dog alive to her not giving a shit about animals. I think the Grand Canyon is a smaller leap than that!
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 28, 2015 12:03:45 GMT -5
Show me where I called a dog an investment. I didn't. And you are entitled to your opinion. I have had healthy dog for years. Right now, I want another one but don't want to care for one. So you are half correct. Right now, I shouldn't own any animals which is why I don't have one or plan to get one. But I am in no way unfit. I would always get comments about how beautiful and obviously well cared for my dogs were from random people and my vet. Since I'm not willing to do that kind of upkeep these days, I don't have one. Know what you are talking about before you comment. I think we've had this discussion before if you remember. If you are setting a dollar amount on the life of a dog, and saying there is a point (and a low point, given your quote above) that you would have him put down, you are making a cost/benefit ratio, so you are looking at it as an investment. Whether you want to acknowledge that or just try to claim "I never said those exact words" so you can win an internet argument is up to you. Yes, we had a different discussion where you called me an ignorant racist because I had the temerity to disagree with you. There appear to be few levels you won't sink to in order to win an internet argument. Not an investment. Just not as important as the people in my family. You don't have to agree with me. I don't have to agree with you. But you also don't get to decide what is right and wrong. You can only do that for yourself. And I don't care if I win an argument with you or not. You don't really matter to me. But I also will not say that I am wrong for what I think because I have a lower price threshold than others. Tell me this. If $10k, $20k, or $30k was the price tag would you still have paid it?
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2015 12:04:24 GMT -5
@hickle - this is how it's done!!!!
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Post by Angel! on Jul 28, 2015 12:04:26 GMT -5
I don't know if that makes one a monster. But, I would prefer if people that didn't give a shit about animals didn't own them. Dogs are amazing creatures. They are wonderful & loving & smart & a dog trained to protect you would give it's life to do so. If you aren't going to love them like they deserve to be loved, then don't get one. They aren't disposable. They are living creatures with feelings. wow, you took it from her saying she wouldn't pay $2k to keep an old and very sick dog alive to her not giving a shit about animals. I think the Grand Canyon is a smaller leap than that! She agreed with this statement:
Sorry, but if she agrees that is her, then she doesn't love dogs & sees them as disposable.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 28, 2015 12:06:28 GMT -5
So. You have a number too. Yours is just higher. 10k surgery is a whole other ball game because it generally means something is seriously wrong. something that probably has lasting issues and changes the quality of life for the dog. I've never heard of a surgery for 10k where everything was A-OK after. The vet bills that roll that high generally deal with cancer and tumors, etc. So because the higher number is acceptable to you, others are wrong? And how do you know where the threshold dollar wise is between god and bad surgery or being ok or not after? How long have you been a practicing vet exactly?
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 28, 2015 12:07:45 GMT -5
Ok, go to Carl's thread about wanting a dog now. They're also trying for a kid. Talk him down please. What is wrong with wanting another dog? And God only knows when we will have a kid, the dog might be 2-3 by then. There is nothing wrong with wanting a dog. If you are willing and able to care for it.
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Post by beergut on Jul 28, 2015 12:08:43 GMT -5
You are completely moving the goalposts and trying to change the subject so you can claim you are right. You said you wouldn't pay for a dog if the costs reached a certain level. You said 'hate if you want', but appear to have backed down when confronted with the wrath of a few dog lovers. You didn't say anything about a dog's age or quality of life until now, when you're trying to move the goalposts. At least be consistent in your message, and stand behind what you said. I don't back down from anyone ever. I stand behind everything I said. I stated that I would not pay that much for a dog. I wouldn't. Here's another example. I had a dog that bit my kid. A different dog than the German Shepherd. No way was that dog gonna get another chance to do it. There is a kill shelter down the street from my house. I could have gone and dropped her off saying that I found her and they would have kept her 3 days and then euthanized her. I instead took her to the no kill shelter and told them why I would no longer have her in my house and suggested they not adopt her out to any families with little kids since she just bit mine unprovoked. I stand behind that decision to this day. You already backed down when you tried to change the subject to talk about how wonderful your treat your dogs and how many compliments you received on your German Shepherd, and you're doing it again with your story about another dog biting your kid. You're even trying to get us to think how wonderful you are because you took it to a no-kill shelter instead of lying to people at a kill shelter and having it euthanized. Quite the humanitarian, you're such a wonderful person because you didn't lie so you can have an animal killed. You said $1900 is too much to spend on a dog. Stick with that position, and defend it. Or say it is your position, no one will change your mind, and that is the end of it. Stop trying to move the goalposts to change the minds of other posters on here.
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