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Post by movingforward on Jul 17, 2015 14:56:31 GMT -5
One word - BRAT!
We actually have no idea if her parents tired to "guide" her or not. This is only her side of the story. Either way she just sounds like a brat to me.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 17, 2015 15:44:34 GMT -5
Last time I looked it was 25k a year to go to Moo U. So 30k a year seems okay. She got 3 years and a lot of stuff including Europe. What's the beef?
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Post by swasat on Jul 17, 2015 15:47:55 GMT -5
If I was her parent, I wouldn't give her another dime, either. It's time for her to grow up! And seriously, would any of you want to hire a 22-year-old who has never worked a job? Why wouldn't you ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? I had the exact study and career path as quince husband. I had never worked a job before. No summer job either. I had ZERO issues getting hired in my last semester of college. IMO it depends on the degree/field you are in and the demand. Lots of my friends who graduated with engineering drgrees and had never worked a job had no issues finding jobs after graduating. Not all people w/o work ex are worthless brats.
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Post by phil5185 on Jul 17, 2015 16:05:00 GMT -5
True enough. But my kids worked when they were in HS & summers in college. Mostly retail. One daughter was at the Customer Service Counter in a dept store. She could 'read' a customer from 20 yards out as they approached her counter. The next summer she was a Bank Teller - same deal, the ability to 'read' people and solve their problem pleasantly. Now, 20 years after college graduation, those skills are still useful for her.
Out teenage grandkids learn how to take direction, punctuality, how to get promoted/rewarded, how to function among working people. Remember, today's schools are not into discipline and order, everyone gets a trophy. Some of that has to be re-learned in the real world.
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Post by gooddecisions on Jul 17, 2015 16:10:08 GMT -5
Last time I looked it was 25k a year to go to Moo U. So 30k a year seems okay. She got 3 years and a lot of stuff including Europe. What's the beef? True, but there were quotes like getting a job is embarrassing and my parent have worked a million years and have retirement money...
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 17, 2015 16:15:52 GMT -5
Oh boy. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 17, 2015 16:19:55 GMT -5
Geez, my roommate did to buy a ticket to Florida to see her grandparents over spring break one year. Trouble with that was she stopped eating a lot of the food bcuz she knew stuff we didn't. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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Post by The Captain on Jul 17, 2015 16:22:54 GMT -5
If I was her parent, I wouldn't give her another dime, either. It's time for her to grow up! And seriously, would any of you want to hire a 22-year-old who has never worked a job? I'm constantly stunned by how many resumes come across my desk with no work history. Those get screened out automatically. Not even a job in HS? No way, nope, not doing it.
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Post by busymom on Jul 17, 2015 16:45:14 GMT -5
If I was her parent, I wouldn't give her another dime, either. It's time for her to grow up! And seriously, would any of you want to hire a 22-year-old who has never worked a job? Why wouldn't you ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/huh.gif) ? I had the exact study and career path as quince husband. I had never worked a job before. No summer job either. I had ZERO issues getting hired in my last semester of college. IMO it depends on the degree/field you are in and the demand. Lots of my friends who graduated with engineering drgrees and had never worked a job had no issues finding jobs after graduating. Not all people w/o work ex are worthless brats. My previous employer stopped hiring kids fresh out of school with no work history. Their complaints about the ones they DID hire included: difficulty arriving at work on time (apparently not enforced in college), attendance issues, not always "playing well" with others (lacked the social skills to deal with their fellow employees), etc. The best employees are those who can hit the ground running, not the ones you need to "mother" until they understand what's required in the working world.
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Jul 17, 2015 16:47:47 GMT -5
I think that a lot of people at this age don't really express themselves very well, or are guarded enough when being recorded. I have a feeling that her parents refused to fill out the FAFSA for her, saying the 'can't help her', and that is why they told her to go to apply at a bank for a loan. if they did the FAFSA, she wouldn't need to step into a bank at all, it would all come through her school. Did anyone hear or see anything where she was getting the fed student loans? If her parents refused the FAFSA because they didn't want a statement saying they were expected to come up with x dollars, then they have also denied her any fed financial aid she would be getting, the easy loans that she may have gotten subsidized or unsubsidized, so I would certainly fault them on that. And I think that this is not obvious because this student is not really expressing themselves very well. Because - she was at a point where she had no idea on how to go to school. If they did the FAFSA - that wouldn't be the case at all. This sounds plausible. I agree with the line from the original article. She should be discussing this with her school's financial aid advisor rather than radio personalities.
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Post by saveinla on Jul 17, 2015 16:53:15 GMT -5
I know a kid who is majoring in business and physics and is studying all the time - even during summer. Not sure how he can get a job without extending his college term for more than 4 years.
He joined college as a sophomore, but since he had a scholarship for all 4 years and a lot of it, and could not decide between Physics and Business, decided to study both.
So there are cases where students do not have time to do anything other than study. Not saying that everyone is doing that, but as always YMMV.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 17, 2015 18:18:00 GMT -5
DS didn't work in HS and he had one small summer job in college while he attended either summer a or summer b session-required by UF He still managed to get a job at Coke by networking. Having prior jobs would have been meaningless. He arrives to work on time and does a good job for them. Other than occasionally complaining about the drama the women in his dept cause, he's cool. I didn't have a job until I was 19 and worked it for a few months. I still managed to get hired by a bank after graduation and then got a teaching job. No one cared that I basically never worked.
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Post by cronewitch on Jul 17, 2015 19:04:04 GMT -5
I suspect many college students have parents who never learned to manage themselves let alone teach the children. When you have parents who had children at say 20 they are 38 when kids are in collage if they never stood on their own two feet either they can't teach that to their kids. Imagine this girl has grandparents who offered free babysitting, financing home for her parents, cosigning and even paying car payments for her parents they may not be fully adults either even with 2-3 divorces each and 4 kids. The grandparents may have been paying for her mom's pond and her dance lessons and even the dog food for her mom's little dog. Sometimes they come buy this honestly from entitled parents who think working fast food is embarrassing so never asked princess to ever work.
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Post by dannylion on Jul 17, 2015 19:30:18 GMT -5
Ten or so years ago when I was involved in the process of hiring newly minted college graduates, we would get the occasional gem with no idea of what the real world was like or what it was to hold a job. I recall one young lady who was appalled when she learned that the job she was applying for would require her to show up every day of the week and stay for 8 hours. "But I only have to go to class on Tuesdays and Thursdays for 4 hours!" She wailed. She applied with our agency because she had heard that there were opportunities to go overseas, but she was less excited when she learned that that meant working overseas, not traveling and sightseeing. We didn't hire her.
Then there was the young man who inquired about the work schedule. We explained that your 8-hour day started when you arrived at your office, and we were pretty flexible about start times. He, too, was startled to find that he would be expected to put in 40 hours a week. "I'm not really into that" was one of his more memorable pronouncements. We didn't hire him, either. Most of the applicants were really sharp and interviewed well, but we did get the occasional doozy. One of my favorites was the kid who got all huffy about the large number of military folks he saw in the building. "I don't want anything to do with the military. Why are there so many military people here?" Um, dude, this is a DoD agency. What did you expect? That was a short interview.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 21:04:00 GMT -5
Wait a minute - 90k in 3 years.... that is only 30k per year, so not a lot of money. Did she manage to pay for her tuition and books and all that? Not seeing a huge issue if that is the case. Of course she could have been more prudent, couldn't we all...especially at 22? Yes, but it is more her attitude: my parents could give me the money, they are lying they don't have it, they have retirement funds. Entitled Princess B*tch is how she comes off. Getting a job would be embarrassing? OMG Give me a break.
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Post by Works4me on Jul 18, 2015 0:45:50 GMT -5
Because she has been financially independent of her parents for three years I doubt their financial information is required for the FAFSA. IIRC, only one year of financial independence is required. Let's say she spent $60,000 for school expenses, ie $20,000 each year for three years. That would leave $30,000 that was spent on clothes, travel,fun, etc., or $10,000 per year on average, meaning about $1000 per month. That would be very easy to spend. School Breaks and Semester in Europe plus travel and fun would burn that up.
As far as being spoiled and an entitled brat - that she certainly is. Hopefully thus next year will knock that out of her and off of her. It could end up being the best thing that ever happened to get.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 4:20:10 GMT -5
Financial independence for FAFSA is a different animal. Determining FAFSA Dependency The Department of Education uses a very rigid set of criteria for determining whether a student is INDEPENDENT for financial aid consideration (which means that the custodial parents’ income and asset information is not considered in determining a student’s financial aid, and therefore not required on the FAFSA). Regardless of how much support a student actually receives from his or her parents, he or she is still considered a DEPENDENT student for financial aid purposes UNLESS at least one of the following criteria is met: For the 2015-16 school year, the student was born before January 1, 1992; or the student is married; or the student has a child or children who receive more than half their support from the student; or the student has dependents (other than a child or spouse) who receive more than half their support from the student, and who also live with the student; or the student is enrolled as a graduate or professional student (pursuing a master’s degree or doctoral degree); or the student is a qualified veteran of the U.S. military, or currently serving on active duty in the U.S. armed forces for purposes other than training; or the student is an orphan (both parents deceased) or ward of the court or in foster care at any time after turning age 13, or was a ward of the court until age 18; or the student is/was in legal guardianship; or the student is/was an emancipated minor; or the student was an unaccompanied youth who was homeless or at risk of being homeless on or after July 1, 2014; or the student has special and unusual extenuating circumstances that can be documented for his or her college financial aid administrators, who may then request a “dependency override” on the FAFSA application. (Note: Exceptions are granted very rarely and only in extreme cases.) Students should contact the financial aid office at the school they will be attending for additional information. IMPORTANT: Many students feel that they should be able to declare INDEPENDENT status because they live on their own, file their own taxes, or receive no support from their parents. Unfortunately, the Department of Education is extremely strict with regard to determining dependency status. If you are considered a DEPENDENT student (do not meet the criteria listed above) and do not provide your parents’ information on your FAFSA, your application WILL BE REJECTED. www.fafsa.com/understanding-fafsa/fafsa-dependency
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 18, 2015 10:14:20 GMT -5
One of the easiest fixes for that would be if a student claims herself on taxes, she's independent. If her parents claim her, she isn't and they must provide info for FAFSA. Which doesn't mean they HAVE to pay but that she now has the info she needs for financial aid
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 18, 2015 10:56:23 GMT -5
The student had a college fund of $90K and tuition expenses of $20K/year. That left $10K left over for her to play with, which isn't a lot to get through 4 years of college with outside expenses. It's basic math, and if a college student can't figure this out, then they need remedial math.
As I had posted previously - I think she is not expressing things well, and this article is bending over backwards to make her sound as awful as possible.
She said her gparents putting the money aside for her was "amazing", but then article says she isn't grateful? the embarrassing comment was only for working in the school cafeteria, not any job and I'm speculating that her parents refused to fill out the FAFSA for her to get the fed fin aid, but she assumes that everyone understands that situation when she says her parent could help her.
You also neglected to mention that she is upset that her folks have a HUGE retirement fund that they won't cash in for her college. I very much suspect that THIS is what she is talking about when she said her parents could help her, but won't. Not the FAFSA because THIS was what she talked about, not that her parents refused to fill out her FAFSA forms to help her get financial aid.
I suspect it is very much like my friend's daughter. She failed the second semester of a class she needed to proceed into the second year of college. Her parents told her she needed to make arrangements to take the course locally over the summer, it was taught at several local colleges and would transfer to her distant university. My friend reminded her daughter several times that she really needed to get on this but the daughter had better things to do.
When she finally got around to it, she found she had been closed out of all the summer classes, regardless of where she looked. Too bad, so sad. She's now going to have to scramble to get the credit, or change her curriculum as the failed class is required for her major.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 18, 2015 12:10:30 GMT -5
Again - she didn't actually say they should cash in the retirement fund, did she? She was making the case that they were secure financially as a counter to them stating that they "couldn't help her" and if in fact the "can't help her" is the reason that they are giving her for refusing to fill out the FAFSA, then - I am faulting them and not her.
She implied it - and it was as implied as anything you've posted. You speculated that her parents refused to fill out the FAFSA and that carries a lot less evidence.
You have chosen to make her case as her parents are the ones falling down on the job. I choose to think that there is probably a middle ground that her parents tried to help her with suggestions, but they fell on deaf ears. Like with my friend's daughter, sometimes you have to let the young adult (who is now 22 - so should have learned a little at this point) make their own mistakes and solve their own problems.
If not, exactly when do you teach these lessons? Part of being an adult is accepting responsibility for one's actions and choices. She chooses to blame everyone but herself. I'd be a little more sympathetic is she accepted responsibility but she does not. Even now, she is trying to duck out of her tuition bill and railing at her parents for failing to pick up the pieces rather than to solve the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 12:45:04 GMT -5
The student had a college fund of $90K and tuition expenses of $20K/year. That left $10K left over for her to play with, which isn't a lot to get through 4 years of college with outside expenses. It's basic math, and if a college student can't figure this out, then they need remedial math. As I had posted previously - I think she is not expressing things well, and this article is bending over backwards to make her sound as awful as possible. She said her gparents putting the money aside for her was "amazing", but then article says she isn't grateful?the embarrassing comment was only for working in the school cafeteria, not any joband I'm speculating that her parents refused to fill out the FAFSA for her to get the fed fin aid, but she assumes that everyone understands that situation when she says her parent could help her.You also neglected to mention that she is upset that her folks have a HUGE retirement fund that they won't cash in for her college. I very much suspect that THIS is what she is talking about when she said her parents could help her, but won't. Not the FAFSA because THIS was what she talked about, not that her parents refused to fill out her FAFSA forms to help her get financial aid. I suspect it is very much like my friend's daughter. She failed the second semester of a class she needed to proceed into the second year of college. Her parents told her she needed to make arrangements to take the course locally over the summer, it was taught at several local colleges and would transfer to her distant university. My friend reminded her daughter several times that she really needed to get on this but the daughter had better things to do. When she finally got around to it, she found she had been closed out of all the summer classes, regardless of where she looked. Too bad, so sad. She's now going to have to scramble to get the credit, or change her curriculum as the failed class is required for her major. Again - she didn't actually say they should cash in the retirement fund, did she? She was making the case that they were secure financially as a counter to them stating that they "couldn't help her" and if in fact the "can't help her" is the reason that they are giving her for refusing to fill out the FAFSA, then - I am faulting them and not her. I am using my "interpreting young people's meanings" skills here. I think her basic points were that she was very grateful to her grandparents, that she made a few mistakes, but that her parents are kicking her to the curb. The article is, in fact, ridiculously biased to make her sounds as awful as possible (and she likely didn't need too much help in that direction) and the comments to the article are quite predictable. We'd all like to think that 90k is a lot of money, and it just isn't anymore. Candy bars aren't a nickle. I think that you'd find many many many 18 year olds that when given 90k and sent off to college would have done a lot worse than this one! My DD. Expressed gratitude every step of the way. KNEW when I became unemployed due to facility closure that it might interrupt the cash-flowed portion of my college support. NEVER acted like an entitled brat. Worked exceedingly hard at college, started clubs including holding exec roles. If she had to go to 1/2 time attendance and work full time, she would have done that. I disagree that $90K towards college isn't a lot. My take is that the 90K would have covered full 4 years, but the student decided to "blow some money" and treat herself to a european trip without consideration of how that affected her ability to handle tuition. There is a huge difference between entitled/blaming and being appreciative of what you have been gifted. If my DD had decided to go on radio to pitch her case for me not helping her, I would have disowned her. This young woman is 3 years into college, not a kid, and presented herself as she is. I don't think the radio show slanted her presentation. 3 years into college and doesn't feel she's truly accountable for her own actions?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 12:47:37 GMT -5
When the 'gofundme' campaign goes up, I'd love to see what she says there. The gal has NO interest in working for her goals. If she graduates, God help whoever hires her and has to teach her how responsible adults behave!!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 18, 2015 12:53:13 GMT -5
Again - she didn't actually say they should cash in the retirement fund, did she? She was making the case that they were secure financially as a counter to them stating that they "couldn't help her" and if in fact the "can't help her" is the reason that they are giving her for refusing to fill out the FAFSA, then - I am faulting them and not her.She implied it - and it was as implied as anything you've posted. You speculated that her parents refused to fill out the FAFSA and that carries a lot less evidence. but a sensationalized article designed for clicking and outrage is gold? Her parents told her to go to a bank for a loan for school. If they did the fafsa - it would all come through the school via email and websites. No need to walk into a bank. Exactly what is the responsibility of this 22 year old young adult? Don't you think that maybe SHE should have gone to her school's financial aid office and asked what she needs to do? Up until now, the woman had the $$ to pay for college, so she didn't need to jump through the hoops that most college students (AND their parents) do. Why do you presume to know that the parents even know what an FAFSA is? Neither of my parents went to college and I was the one who needed to tell them about it. There are some kids whose parents have not jumped through college hoops themselves, so are as naive to the process as their kids. Like you said it was a sensationalized article for clicking, don't you think that this young adult was trying to make herself look as good as she could and put her parents as the monsters? After all, they won't give her their retirement for her education and they <gasp> expect her to actually try to figure this out by herself. Also like I said, I suspect that there is a middle ground here, where the daughter was asked to do the leg work and she didn't do it. But you won't consider this as an option. And finally, why do you not see that the 22 year old young adult needs to take some responsibility for this? $90K/4 years is $22,500/year. This is basic math that a 4th grader could do. If you subtract $20,000 tuition bill, it doesn't take rocket science (or a math major) to see that you have $2,500 to spend on incidentals - or roughly $200/mo. Considering as a working adult, I usually gave myself $30/week for spending money, this is not unreasonable.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 18, 2015 12:59:31 GMT -5
I think that you'd find many many many 18 year olds that when given 90k and sent off to college would have done a lot worse than this one!
My 19 year old niece was given an $80K stipend for her college. This needs to include everything. She realizes that she needs to work during the summer to make the bulk of her spending money to supplement this - even though her tuition, room and board is largely covered, so she is nannying 3 school age children over the summer. She works 6:30-4:30 every single day, because someone needs to be there when the parents leave for work and she goes home when one of the parents get home.
This 18-22 year old blew roughly $1000/mo. ON TOP of the $20K tuition.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 18, 2015 13:13:21 GMT -5
Just for the record there is a link in the article to hear the calls on that radio show's website. It is crazy long and really not what I thought it would be. I didn't listen to it all but did hear all the parts that are being discussed here. Personally I'm blaming all of you for forcing me to listen to that. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) A lot of the hyperbole mentioned here was actually the hosts trying to be funny. I'm shocked! ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/tongue2.png) The parts that got me was that she did sound entitled but also that her parents sounded like asses. She did go to her parents and told them what happened and her dad's reaction was to laugh at her. Then mom and dad told her to go to the credit union and get a loan. Not a student loan but a regular personal loan. She really didn't seem to understand what a Student loan was and her parents specifically told her to walk into that credit union that mom and dad have always banked at and talk to so and so and get one of these personal loans. My gut again says so and so was told what to say and what loans she was allowed to offer. That is how the question about a job came in. If she is in school FT then obviously she doesn't have the income to pay that loan back right away. While getting a job is a good thing to me, it also isn't easy from home in NJ to get one in Atlanta. And this isn't a case of show up on the first day of school and apply to the school for whatever jobs they have available. She need to get that job before Mom and Dad will cosign the loan. She needs that loan to pay for her tuition bills now so she can start school in a month. They had to know that she would be turned down without a cosigner. The whole parent child interaction sounded very passive aggressive to me.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 18, 2015 13:21:36 GMT -5
"again - did she say they should cash out the retirement for her - or only listed it as evidence that they are ok financially as a counter to "they can't help her"? I have already stated that I don't think she was suggesting this at all so <gasp> why is being repeated again as if she did?
she would not be going to a bank if they'd done the fafsa, is what I'm saying."
I quoted this part from Rukh because I didn't talk about that part. Yes it was clearly a counter but from the way she sounded it was really the rant that we hear here not an actual I want to to actually do this. What she was upset with was that A dad laughed when she told him and that B he said they "couldn't" help. She isn't a money smart person but clearly she knows enough to know mom and dad are not living paycheck to paycheck.
And from a FAFSA stand point this year's fin aid would be based on last years income and assets. So while a blind chimp knows that if you spent that asset on last years tuition and room and board that it cant possibly be used to fund this year FAFSA has a completely different way of looking at things.
And I seriously doubt that set of parents would be willing to fill out the FAFSA. No way in hell from what they had her do.
ETA people here are acting like she is ungrateful for the gift. Nothing in those radio shows indicated that she wasn't grateful for it.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 18, 2015 13:34:21 GMT -5
They were mostly mocking her. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/shocked.gif) They also took calls from people basically like on here to mock her. People did say they got "loans" that allowed to to start paying after college but no one actually used the word Student Loan. They also told her she had to go to this specific credit union and talk to this person, not online, and fill out the forms she gives you. The question the CU woman kept asking is what collaterol she had. Clearly her parents knew she didn't have any! We all know that Student loans are 99% of the time done online. What other purpose would making her go to that specific credit union in person serve? We have a credit union and I promise you if I walked in they would tell me the basic info and to fill it out online. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) While she probably could have used that money more wisely it baffles me that her parents didn't make any attempt to help her budget it so that it lasted all 4 years. Clearly other than on YM ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/tongue2.png) every parent of a college age child knows that $22500 a year for college isn't a huge amount. Including room and board that is literally a state school before most incedentals like books. They had to know that left to her own uneducated experience she would come up short.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 18, 2015 13:38:31 GMT -5
Just for the record there is a link in the article to hear the calls on that radio show's website. It is crazy long and really not what I thought it would be. I didn't listen to it all but did hear all the parts that are being discussed here. Personally I'm blaming all of you for forcing me to listen to that. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) A lot of the hyperbole mentioned here was actually the hosts trying to be funny. I'm shocked! ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/tongue2.png) The parts that got me was that she did sound entitled but also that her parents sounded like asses. She did go to her parents and told them what happened and her dad's reaction was to laugh at her. Then mom and dad told her to go to the credit union and get a loan. Not a student loan but a regular personal loan. She really didn't seem to understand what a Student loan was and her parents specifically told her to walk into that credit union that mom and dad have always banked at and talk to so and so and get one of these personal loans. My gut again says so and so was told what to say and what loans she was allowed to offer. That is how the question about a job came in. If she is in school FT then obviously she doesn't have the income to pay that loan back right away. While getting a job is a good thing to me, it also isn't easy from home in NJ to get one in Atlanta. And this isn't a case of show up on the first day of school and apply to the school for whatever jobs they have available. She need to get that job before Mom and Dad will cosign the loan. She needs that loan to pay for her tuition bills now so she can start school in a month. They had to know that she would be turned down without a cosigner. The whole parent child interaction sounded very passive aggressive to me. thanks Beach! did anyone - the show hosts, for example - mention student loans? Yes, she was told to go to the financial aid office at the school. She said that the scholarships were all given out, but didn't mention student loans. I'm sure that the counselors in the office would have directed her there too.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 18, 2015 13:39:29 GMT -5
I tried listening 973beachbum, but not sure if I can take it... but within the first 2 minutes - the college fund was "almost 90" and it is not exactly 0 now, but she is 10k short for this semester..... so everyone's math needs to scale back a little on that as it seems that tuition and fees are somewhat more than 10k/semester (not including books!) and she didn't have a full 90k to begin with. She also sounds really nice, very likable, which is a surprise after the article. She is abashed about not having stretched the money to cover all 4 years and just trying to figure out what to do. She certainly does not deserve the brat or b!tch monikers that have been applied here or in the article comments section. For the record I didn't listen to every minute of it. I would have killed myself before it ended. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) And she didn't say tuition. She said bill. She also went into great detail about how hard it is to get a job when your home is so far from campus. From this I am pretty sure she is living on campus. So that $20K number includes r&B. And as both of us being the parents of college age kids we both know how shockingly high things like books, driving home on breaks, and food for when the caf isn't open, and laptops ect can be!!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 18, 2015 13:51:12 GMT -5
They were mostly mocking her. They also took calls from people basically like on here to mock her. People did say they got "loans" that allowed to to start paying after college but no one actually used the word Student Loan. They also told her she had to go to this specific credit union and talk to this person, not online, and fill out the forms she gives you. The question the CU woman kept asking is what collaterol she had. Clearly her parents knew she didn't have any!
It sounds like she is at an impasse with her parents. Her parents are willing to help her if she gets a job to help pay them back. The loan is structured for minimal payments while in school and they increase after 12 months. So she's willing to get a job, and understands that they were trying to teach them a lesson. But she thinks that they need to learn that this is going to have such a negative effect on her grades and her as a person (her words, not mine).
Start listening to the 4th clip around 6 minutes in and she really does sound like a brat.
Listen to this clip, even though they are busting on her a bit, they really are invested in helping her learn how to become an adult.
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