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Post by happyhoix on Jul 16, 2015 6:34:57 GMT -5
Seeing that he's had another jump in popularity, I started researching what his positions are (I admit I don't have the time I wish I had to stay current on all the GOP candidate positions - in my defense, there are a lot of GOP candidates  ) I know in his speech announcing his candidacy, he talked about Obamacare not working and how he would replace the whole thing, but has he said what he would replace it with? In 2000 he was an advocate for universal healthcare, is this still his position? In the past, he was pro-choice, advocated a 14% tax on the 1%, and called to legalize all drugs. These are really progressive proposals - has he changed his beliefs, or just hidden them - for instance, by trash talking Obamacare without stating publically what he would replace it with? If he's still an advocate for those positions, I would think it would be very easy for the other GOP candidates to skewer him - those are not conservative or TEA party goals. If he's changed his platform, it would be easy to skewer him as a flip flopper. www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-trump-progressive-champion |
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Post by The Captain on Jul 16, 2015 8:55:16 GMT -5
I don't trust Trump and believe he will say whatever he thinks will get him to most votes. He seems to fit my understanding of the classic sociopath. He had declared bankruptcy 4 times stating: phoenixbankruptcynews.com/2011/04/the-history-of-donald-trumps-bankruptcy-filings.htmlPerhaps the Trump bankruptcies can be seen as a strategic business decision and not necessarily a financial failure. As Trump said to ABC News, " I've used the laws of this country to pare debt. ... We'll have the company. We'll throw it into a chapter. We'll negotiate with the banks. We'll make a fantastic deal."
A person who considers forcing others to cover his spending a "deal", while sounding positively gleeful about it, is not someone I want running this country. I'm embarrassed he's a fellow American and would be mortified if he were elected our leader. |
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Post by sesfw on Jul 16, 2015 10:01:34 GMT -5
I'm embarrassed he's a fellow American and would be mortified if he were elected our leader.
Strange, I feel the same way about our present White House resident. So glad he is almost a has-been.
I would never vote for Trump, he has a real ego problem. I also didn't vote for bho and his huge ego has proven me right.
This reminds me a lot of the Ross Perot campaign many years ago. A lot of his ideas were good but his ego got in the way.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jul 16, 2015 10:05:17 GMT -5
I don't really trust him either; but the bankruptcy's (all chapter 11's and not personal) don't really bother me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 16, 2015 11:36:32 GMT -5
I don't really trust him either; but the bankruptcy's (all chapter 11's and not personal) don't really bother me. nor should they. however, i think he would be better running Greece right now than the US. after all, he has $10B now. |
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 16, 2015 13:39:18 GMT -5
I haven't been able to find what his current position is regarding healthcare, other than that he says Obamacare in general and the Obamacare computer system specifically is greatly flawed- but all the GOP candidates will say that.
To be honest, I haven't had time to really comb the web, but doing a quick search all I can find are his anti-Obamacare statements. Curious to know what he is proposing to replace it, if he's sticking with single payer or advocating something else.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 16, 2015 13:44:41 GMT -5
I haven't been able to find what his current position is regarding healthcare, other than that he says Obamacare in general and the Obamacare computer system specifically is greatly flawed- but all the GOP candidates will say that. To be honest, I haven't had time to really comb the web, but doing a quick search all I can find are his anti-Obamacare statements. Curious to know what he is proposing to replace it, if he's sticking with single payer or advocating something else. I am scared to find out after hearing his plan to defeat ISIS Donald Trump Reveals Plan To Defeat ISIS: Bomb, Encircle, Send In Mobil To Take Their Oil |
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 16, 2015 13:48:05 GMT -5
I haven't been able to find what his current position is regarding healthcare, other than that he says Obamacare in general and the Obamacare computer system specifically is greatly flawed- but all the GOP candidates will say that. To be honest, I haven't had time to really comb the web, but doing a quick search all I can find are his anti-Obamacare statements. Curious to know what he is proposing to replace it, if he's sticking with single payer or advocating something else. I am scared to find out after hearing his plan to defeat ISIS Donald Trump Reveals Plan To Defeat ISIS: Bomb, Encircle, Send In Mobil To Take Their Oil |
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Post by dondub on Jul 16, 2015 13:56:25 GMT -5
His foreign policy experience includes buying Turnberry in Scotland, the host of 4 British Opens.  |
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Post by jkapp on Jul 16, 2015 19:54:30 GMT -5
I don't trust Trump and believe he will say whatever he thinks will get him to most votes. He seems to fit my understanding of the classic sociopath. He had declared bankruptcy 4 times stating: phoenixbankruptcynews.com/2011/04/the-history-of-donald-trumps-bankruptcy-filings.htmlPerhaps the Trump bankruptcies can be seen as a strategic business decision and not necessarily a financial failure. As Trump said to ABC News, "I've used the laws of this country to pare debt. ... We'll have the company. We'll throw it into a chapter. We'll negotiate with the banks. We'll make a fantastic deal." A person who considers forcing others to cover his spending a "deal", while sounding positively gleeful about it, is not someone I want running this country. I'm embarrassed he's a fellow American and would be mortified if he were elected our leader. You just defined all politicians since (at least) FDR...the government has been passing the buck for decades now  |
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Post by joemilitary on Jul 16, 2015 20:06:43 GMT -5
Trump does this every year....then backs out of the race
he just seems to be more noticeable (maybe he's doing it longer this time too?)
But trust me, he will back out of the race eventually
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Post by marvholly on Jul 17, 2015 5:33:37 GMT -5
I am holding off on researching the various Repub candidates positions until the total number gets down to a reasonable level – IMHO 4-5. Helps that the IL primary is later & there will be a LOT of fallout after the early rounds of primaries.
i believe Trump backed out pretty quickly in previous primary seasons (before or at least after the first couple primaries) BUT he had MUCH lower polling numbers then. |
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 17, 2015 7:08:24 GMT -5
Trump does this every year....then backs out of the race
he just seems to be more noticeable (maybe he's doing it longer this time too?)
But trust me, he will back out of the race eventually
I think you're right, because I think he does this for one reason and one reason only - publicity. He's an attention ho. Which is probably why I'm having a hard time actually finding any of his proposed solutions to our problems - I suspect he hasn't bothered to think that far ahead, he's just bloviating to satisfy his ego, and when it gets down to brass tacks, he'll withdraw like he's done in the past, and then go brag to everyone about how he could have been the President, if he wanted to, but he could make more money as a private citizen. It's interesting, though, that he's expressed such progressive views in the past. If he should actually get elected president, I don't think he'd be the president anyone expects him to be. |
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 17, 2015 7:13:22 GMT -5
Since there has been maybe one Republican that posted on this thread about researching Trump, I will only quote another member here in describing people here.
"Bless your hearts"
As if 99.99% of anyone on this thread would ever bother voting for him.
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Post by dondub on Jul 17, 2015 9:56:24 GMT -5
Hard to vote for someone that won't be on the ballot.
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Post by marvholly on Jul 20, 2015 5:44:29 GMT -5
Poor Trump.
seems like he just changes feet every time he opens his mouth.
Calling out Mc Cain was a really BAD move: Fellow senators will NOT like having one of their own tarnished Fellow veterans will NOT like having one of their own tarnished
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 20, 2015 7:12:43 GMT -5
Poor Trump.
seems like he just changes feet every time he opens his mouth.
Calling out Mc Cain was a really BAD move: Fellow senators will NOT like having one of their own tarnished Fellow veterans will NOT like having one of their own tarnished
Even a good portion of the current or former governors running are military veterans. I agree. I thought it might take a little longer before Trump blew himself up, but I think this latest jab at McCain might be it for him. |
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 20, 2015 7:16:45 GMT -5
Since there has been maybe one Republican that posted on this thread about researching Trump, I will only quote another member here in describing people here. "Bless your hearts" As if 99.99% of anyone on this thread would ever bother voting for him. Actually that was why I was interested in his actual platform. Pro choice, pro single payer health insurance? That was sounding like someone I might actually vote for, if he could drop the whole loud mouthed buffoon routine. It might shock you to know that I've voted GOP as often as I've voted Dem in presidential elections, and I'm eagerly watching the GOP hopefuls step forward to announce their platforms because I hope there is one I can get behind this election cycle, because I really don't like Hilary. |
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 20, 2015 7:59:48 GMT -5
At least we all know where he stands on John McCain being a war hero.
Then again, the Democratic Senator from Minnesota Al Franken basically said the same thing about McCain when McCain ran for the Presidency.
But that was fine.
Today we have the Dems and Republicans denouncing Trump, but McCain says Trump does not owe HIM an apology.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 20, 2015 8:23:13 GMT -5
I think he would have been better off if he had not decided to beat up McCain!
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Post by dondub on Jul 20, 2015 10:20:23 GMT -5
Al Franken 15 years ago: "I have tremendous respect for McCain but I don’t buy the war hero thing. Anybody can be captured. I thought the idea was to capture them. As far as I’m concerned he sat out the war."
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 20, 2015 10:45:22 GMT -5
At least we all know where he stands on John McCain being a war hero. Then again, the Democratic Senator from Minnesota Al Franken basically said the same thing about McCain when McCain ran for the Presidency. But that was fine. Today we have the Dems and Republicans denouncing Trump, but McCain says Trump does not owe HIM an apology. who said it was "fine"? link please. |
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Post by dondub on Jul 20, 2015 10:58:29 GMT -5
Plus the implication is it was said when Franken was a Senator and it was not. Still uncalled for, of course.
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Post by marvholly on Jul 21, 2015 5:38:50 GMT -5
Poor Trump.
seems like he just changes feet every time he opens his mouth.
Calling out Mc Cain was a really BAD move: Fellow senators will NOT like having one of their own tarnished Fellow veterans will NOT like having one of their own tarnished
Even a good portion of the current or former governors running are military veterans. I agree. I thought it might take a little longer before Trump blew himself up, but I think this latest jab at McCain might be it for him. I suspect Trump will be around a bit longer. I figure his next foot change may very well be denigrating comments to/on women. That is another LARGE group he has yet to insult. |
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Post by Opti on Jul 21, 2015 6:48:18 GMT -5
I don't trust Trump and believe he will say whatever he thinks will get him to most votes. He seems to fit my understanding of the classic sociopath. He had declared bankruptcy 4 times stating: phoenixbankruptcynews.com/2011/04/the-history-of-donald-trumps-bankruptcy-filings.htmlPerhaps the Trump bankruptcies can be seen as a strategic business decision and not necessarily a financial failure. As Trump said to ABC News, "I've used the laws of this country to pare debt. ... We'll have the company. We'll throw it into a chapter. We'll negotiate with the banks. We'll make a fantastic deal." A person who considers forcing others to cover his spending a "deal", while sounding positively gleeful about it, is not someone I want running this country. I'm embarrassed he's a fellow American and would be mortified if he were elected our leader. You just defined all politicians since (at least) FDR...the government has been passing the buck for decades now Really? 
I think Trump stands alone on this, or at least on the level of BK since he is after all self-employed. Therefore these BKs are really both business and personal.
content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2068227_2068229_2068209,00.html
In 1990, the banking institutions that backed his real estate investments had to bail him out with a $65 million "rescue package" that contained new loans and credit. But it wasn't enough, and nine months later the famous developer was nearly $4 billion in debt. He didn't declare personal bankruptcy, although his famous Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, N.J., did have to file for it (bondholders ended up taking a 50% stake in the investment). Trump's economic troubles continued through the early '90s, while he was personally leveraged to nearly $1 billion. In 2004, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts also filed for bankruptcy. The company was only a small portion of Trump's real estate empire, but he did still have to personally cough up $72 million to keep it afloat. In 2009, the same company (by then renamed Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc.) filed for bankruptcy again. Yet during all of this, no one ever told Trump, "You're fired!" Probably because no one could.
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Post by Opti on Jul 21, 2015 6:50:57 GMT -5
More interesting things about Trump in Wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump
In late October 2014, model Alexia Palmer filed a civil suit against Trump Model Management for promising a $75,000 annual salary but paying only $3,380.75 for three years' work. Palmer claims to be owed more than $200,000. Palmer charged that Trump Model Management, charged, in addition to a management fee, "obscure expenses" from postage to limousine rides that consumed the remainder of her compensation. Trump attorney Alan Garten claims the lawsuit is "bogus and completely frivolous".[164][165]
In 2015, Trump initiated a $100 million lawsuit against Palm Beach County claiming that officials pressured the FAA to direct air traffic to the Palm Beach International Airport in a "deliberate and malicious" act over his Mar-A-Lago estate.[166] The air traffic is allegedly damaging the construction of the building and disrupting its ambience. Trump had previously sued twice over airport noise.[166]
ETA: Trump, the financial world's answer to Bill Cosby? 
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 21, 2015 9:43:40 GMT -5
Trump is officially up in the polls sine the mass media attack over McCain.
You would think NBC and MSNBC would be happy to keep him around for awhile rather than trying to bury him.
Their next Republican to attack will not be near as interesting.
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Post by dondub on Jul 21, 2015 11:14:30 GMT -5
Mass media attack over McCain.
Yes, a world renowned figure running for POTUS should only get a small box on page A-6 of the Fern Valley Gazette...because he's a Repo.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 21, 2015 11:44:19 GMT -5
Trump is officially up in the polls sine the mass media attack over McCain. You would think NBC and MSNBC would be happy to keep him around for awhile rather than trying to bury him. Their next Republican to attack will not be near as interesting. Actually I think it's the GOP who is trying hard to shove him back out of the spotlight. |
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