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Post by happyhoix on Jul 21, 2015 11:49:08 GMT -5
I agree. I thought it might take a little longer before Trump blew himself up, but I think this latest jab at McCain might be it for him. I suspect Trump will be around a bit longer. I figure his next foot change may very well be denigrating comments to/on women. That is another LARGE group he has yet to insult. I can easily see that happening. Like - he makes some jab about how Clinton is an old and ugly looking broad, and who wants that for their POTUS (when they can get someone who hosts the Miss America contest every year - and who wouldn't want those babes lounging all over the White House looking fine).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 12:54:21 GMT -5
I suspect Trump will be around a bit longer. I figure his next foot change may very well be denigrating comments to/on women. That is another LARGE group he has yet to insult. I can easily see that happening. Like - he makes some jab about how Clinton is an old and ugly looking broad, and who wants that for their POTUS (when they can get someone who hosts the Miss America contest every year - and who wouldn't want those babes lounging all over the White House looking fine). I actually heard that in Trump's voice!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 21, 2015 13:33:03 GMT -5
What an ass. He cannot even keep a person's cell phone number a secret. And we are to trust him with the world's secrets? Trump gives out Lindsey Graham's cellphone number in televised speechRepublican presidential contender Donald Trump revealed the personal cell phone number of U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina during a televised campaign speech in that state Tuesday. CBS News Associate Producer DJ Judd tweeted that the number Trump read on air, which Trump said Graham gave him, was in fact the Senator's personal cell phone number. Trump gives out Lindsey Graham's cellphone number in televised speech
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Post by kent on Jul 21, 2015 13:37:58 GMT -5
Hmmmm. Do you suppose Trump is actually a democrat?
He surfaces will all kinds of nonsense, it fractures the already fractured republican party (think Perot) and Hillary walks away with the prize - not too far fetched or is it? ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/idunno.gif)
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 21, 2015 13:43:21 GMT -5
Hmmmm. Do you suppose Trump is actually a democrat?
He surfaces will all kinds of nonsense, it fractures the already fractured republican party (think Perot) and Hillary walks away with the prize - not too far fetched or is it? ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/idunno.gif) Nah. Trump wants it all.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jul 21, 2015 13:52:16 GMT -5
Question...how many nails are in a coffin? Is Trump going down a list of people and groups he can insult next?
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Post by Opti on Jul 21, 2015 14:13:39 GMT -5
Hmmmm. Do you suppose Trump is actually a democrat?
He surfaces will all kinds of nonsense, it fractures the already fractured republican party (think Perot) and Hillary walks away with the prize - not too far fetched or is it? ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/idunno.gif) No. I'm not sure he's really a Republican either. He's a businessman who came from priviledge who wants to rule in the political arena as well. I don't think he's really a team building kind of guy, unless of course it is team Trump - Donald plus others.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jul 21, 2015 14:18:34 GMT -5
![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/worship.gif) The Donald. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/rofl.gif)
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Post by imawino on Jul 21, 2015 14:29:59 GMT -5
At least we all know where he stands on John McCain being a war hero. Then again, the Democratic Senator from Minnesota Al Franken basically said the same thing about McCain when McCain ran for the Presidency. But that was fine. Today we have the Dems and Republicans denouncing Trump, but McCain says Trump does not owe HIM an apology. Right - this was said as a joke when Al Franken was a comedian. Whether people find it funny is certainly up to them. But it is important to understand the difference between saying something as a joke, and saying something as the truth. And while some would say they are the same, it is important to understand the difference between a comedian and a politician. Washington (CNN)—Before Al Franken was a U.S. senator, he was a comedian and political satirist -- one who joked about Sen. John McCain's status as a war hero.
"I have tremendous respect for McCain but I don't buy the war hero thing. Anybody can be captured. I thought the idea was to capture them. As far as I'm concerned he sat out the war," Franken, a Democrat who now represents Minnesota, quipped to Salon for a 2000 article about the stakes of that year's presidential election.
Franken's comments are getting new life 15 years later amid the controversy surrounding Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's comments this weekend that McCain -- who was tortured for more than five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam -- is "not a war hero."
Standing alone, Franken's comments could seem insensitive to POWs and their families, but an episode of Franken's radio show four years later that included McCain as a guest made it clear that the comments were intended to be received sarcastically.
"I mean, I consider you a hero, tremendous political courage, not, you know, the thing about five years, or five and a half years at the Hanoi Hilton; as far as I'm concerned you just sat out the war. I don't consider that real heroism. Anybody can get captured, right?" Franken said to McCain during the 2004 show, according to a transcript provided by Franken's office.
Franken also wrote in his book "Lies: And the Lying Liars who Tell Them" that the McCain joke is "called irony" and got "big laughs" when he told it at the 1999 White House Photographers Dinner.
Trump made his comments over the weekend in a much more serious setting -- making his pitch to voters on Saturday.
RELATED: Defiant Trump refuses to apologize to McCain
"He is a war hero because he was captured," Trump, who is leading in the polls, then added on Saturday during a forum for GOP presidential candidates. "I like people that weren't captured, OK? I hate to tell you. He is a war hero because he was captured. OK, you can have -- I believe perhaps he is a war hero."
Amid widespread scorn from Republicans, including his opponents for the nomination, Trump did not back down from his questioning of McCain's status as a war hero. And he insisted that his comments about McCain don't reflect on his support for veterans -- captured or not.
Trump's comments came after McCain characterized the thousands of people who flocked to a Trump rally in Phoenix as "crazies."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 21:22:49 GMT -5
More interesting things about Trump in Wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump
In late October 2014, model Alexia Palmer filed a civil suit against Trump Model Management for promising a $75,000 annual salary but paying only $3,380.75 for three years' work. Palmer claims to be owed more than $200,000. Palmer charged that Trump Model Management, charged, in addition to a management fee, "obscure expenses" from postage to limousine rides that consumed the remainder of her compensation. Trump attorney Alan Garten claims the lawsuit is "bogus and completely frivolous".[164][165]
In 2015, Trump initiated a $100 million lawsuit against Palm Beach County claiming that officials pressured the FAA to direct air traffic to the Palm Beach International Airport in a "deliberate and malicious" act over his Mar-A-Lago estate.[166] The air traffic is allegedly damaging the construction of the building and disrupting its ambience. Trump had previously sued twice over airport noise.[166]
ETA: Trump, the financial world's answer to Bill Cosby? ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/stirpot.gif)
Naah... I don't think so. Unlike the Cosby situation... every bad thing said about Trump is provable. None of the things said about Cosby are backed up by any provable facts.
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Post by dondub on Jul 22, 2015 0:56:11 GMT -5
Discounting, I guess, his own testimony under oath and, of course, the dozens of witnesses.
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Post by marvholly on Jul 22, 2015 5:24:04 GMT -5
Looks like Trump has made it thru 1 day without ticking off any new group - Not women, blacks, Poles, Turks, Italians, Greeks...............
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 22, 2015 6:57:07 GMT -5
Looks like Trump has made it thru 1 day without ticking off any new group - Not women, blacks, Poles, Turks, Italians, Greeks............... I heard he insulted the head of Huffington Post, and they made an editorial decision to only run articles about Trump in their entertainment section from now on. Which is pretty damn funny.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 18:47:44 GMT -5
Discounting, I guess, his own testimony under oath and, of course, the dozens of witnesses. Which testimony was it where he confessed to raping women? I don't recall that one. Which testimony was it where he confessed to giving women illegal drugs WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT? I don't recall that one either. Yes, I realize that he admitted to buying illegal drugs with the intent to give them to women, he may even have admitted to giving them to women (I don't recall if he did or didn't)... but he never, ever admitted to doing so WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. Remember this testimony under oath was about back in the drug induced hazy days of the late hippie era... where people (men AND women) freely took drugs all the time. Bill Cosby had money and fame and could get drugs... so it's just as likely (if not actually MORE likely) that women willingly took drugs that he provided in a candy dish on a table at a party.
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Post by dondub on Jul 22, 2015 20:00:00 GMT -5
Let me know when you have read that recently released deposition.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jul 22, 2015 20:08:51 GMT -5
This about covers it along with what another poster stated about him saying anything that he thinks will get him votes. As most egomaniacs and narcissists believe - his word and his truth are all we need to hear because he's oh so intelligent and stuff. Trump '16!!! <<waves insanity flag>> ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIcPHYoWoAAZS-i.jpg:large) ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-961B_U4AAb6bq.jpg)
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Post by dondub on Jul 22, 2015 20:28:24 GMT -5
Thirty-six women have accused Bill Cosby, once one of America’s most beloved actors and comedians, of sexual misbehavior. The 77-year-old star, who has not been charged with a crime, has publicly denied these accusations. But a new legal document now reveals that the pattern of behavior described by many of the accusers—that Cosby drugged them before initiating sexual contact—were acknowledged by the comedian himself.
Richard,
I'll take the victims word for it over a serial rapist. But you can defend him if you want.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 21:59:15 GMT -5
Let me know when you have read that recently released deposition. I read it... when it was released... whenever that was. He never admitted to doing anything without consent.
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Post by dondub on Jul 22, 2015 22:01:23 GMT -5
Memory is funny that way.
I guess the settlement he paid was just kindness on his part. A real Dr. Huxtable moment of charity.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 22:02:10 GMT -5
Thirty-six women have accused Bill Cosby, once one of America’s most beloved actors and comedians, of sexual misbehavior. The 77-year-old star, who has not been charged with a crime, has publicly denied these accusations. But a new legal document now reveals that the pattern of behavior described by many of the accusers—that Cosby drugged them before initiating sexual contact—were acknowledged by the comedian himself. Richard, I'll take the victims word for it over a serial rapist. But you can defend him if you want. It said he GOT THEM drugs... It never said he drugged them and then raped them. I'm not defending him, personally. I'm defending the lack of proof. I will always defend a lack of proof against anyone, for any crime they have been accused of. Proof is "the gold standard" to me. I'd even defend you if there wasn't any proof of something 1,000,000 people said you did. Show me proof... or go away.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 22:03:49 GMT -5
Let me know when you have read that recently released deposition. I read it... when it was released... whenever that was. He never admitted to doing anything without consent. You read the 1000 page deposition? In full?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 22:06:05 GMT -5
Memory is funny that way. I guess the settlement he paid was just kindness on his part. A real Dr. Huxtable moment of charity. Ask any lawyer... settlements are NOT an admission of guilt. They are a way to make the lawsuit and any coverage of it that could damage a reputation go away. If someone sues you for something you KNOW you didn't do, and your perceived reputation (as well as hire-ability) hangs in the balance... and you can "make it go away" for the equivalent of "pocket change"... if you are regularly in the news, that's what you do. You make it go away... whether it has merit or not. I doubt if "kindness" even entered into the equation... whether he was guilty or not.
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Post by dondub on Jul 22, 2015 22:10:17 GMT -5
I'll take the testimony of 36 witnesses any day. Eyewitness testimony is "proof" in a large percentage of criminal cases.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 22:14:08 GMT -5
I read it... when it was released... whenever that was. He never admitted to doing anything without consent. You read the 1000 page deposition? In full? I skimmed it and then did a "keyword" search... using the following words/phrases "gave women", "gave", "against", "without", "drugs", "Quaalude", "consent", "forced", and "admit" I do read pretty fast with great accuracy... so the keyword search was just a double-check, really. Nothing "proof worthy" was contained within it, so I have since forgotten most of it as irrelevant. so no, I can't, on demand, repeat what was on line 8 of page number 512... or any such crap like that so don't bother asking. I read "Battlefield Earth" in 4 days... it's over 1,000 pages. I loved that book and have read it several times... and I can't quote you a specific line from a specific page of it either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 22:22:57 GMT -5
I'll take the testimony of 36 witnesses any day. Eyewitness testimony is "proof" in a large percentage of criminal cases. Take that as "enough" if you like. It's your prerogative. I also hope you will consider yourself guilty if dozens of people say you did something. whether you actually did it or not...
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Post by dondub on Jul 22, 2015 22:40:52 GMT -5
Obviously Cosby still has many supporters that discount the eyewitness testimony of dozens of women. That's oftentimes how it works in rape cases. The rapist usually doesn't go to court and then proclaim "I did it". What he did proclaim was that he acquired drugs that make people unable to defend themselves so he could give them to women so he could have sex. At least 7 prescriptions. take that for what it's worth.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 8:30:27 GMT -5
Obviously Cosby still has many supporters that discount the eyewitness testimony of dozens of women. That's oftentimes how it works in rape cases. The rapist usually doesn't go to court and then proclaim "I did it". What he did proclaim was that he acquired drugs that make people unable to defend themselves so he could give them to women so he could have sex. At least 7 prescriptions. take that for what it's worth. Most of his celebrity supporters are back tracking now, including Whoopi Goldberg and Jill Scott.
I've been in these discussions with Richard before don. When it comes to rape he takes the concept of proof to a crazy level. He has often said he wouldn't take the word of his own mother or daughter if they claimed someone had raped them. I have my own ideas about why, but I'm not interested in getting banned today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 21:09:52 GMT -5
Obviously Cosby still has many supporters that discount the eyewitness testimony of dozens of women. That's oftentimes how it works in rape cases. The rapist usually doesn't go to court and then proclaim "I did it". What he did proclaim was that he acquired drugs that make people unable to defend themselves so he could give them to women so he could have sex. At least 7 prescriptions. take that for what it's worth. Most of his celebrity supporters are back tracking now, including Whoopi Goldberg and Jill Scott.
I've been in these discussions with Richard before don. When it comes to rape he takes the concept of proof to a crazy level. He has often said he wouldn't take the word of his own mother or daughter if they claimed someone had raped them. I have my own ideas about why, but I'm not interested in getting banned today.
I don't take "the concept of proof to a crazy level"... How about a police report? That's not a "crazy level". What about a Rape Kit? That's not a crazy level. What about a Hospital Admissions Report? That's not a "crazy level". What about a restraining order (hey if you don't want to file for rape... how about just a general "I'm scared of him")? That's not a "crazy level". I just don't accept one groups word over another groups word (and, by the way, Bill Cosby, himself is not the only one denying the allegations. There are many women that have known him saying variations of "it's not something he'd do"). ETA: I said I wouldn't take their word over the other person's denials. They would be shocked if I would. If they made the claim, they'd provide proof. I also said proof is big in our family. We believe in the whole "innocent until PROVEN guilty" thing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 24, 2015 8:55:08 GMT -5
I read it... when it was released... whenever that was. He never admitted to doing anything without consent. Well, it's kinda hard to get consent when your date is knocked out, now isn't it? i think he is claiming he gave them the drugs with their consent, but i am not certain.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 18:44:15 GMT -5
Well, it's kinda hard to get consent when your date is knocked out, now isn't it? i think he is claiming he gave them the drugs with their consent, but i am not certain. If I'm the "he" you are referring to, I'm not claiming anything. I'm plainly saying he never admitted to doing anything without consent. That doesn't mean that I'm saying he did or didn't... I'm simply saying he's maintaining his innocence. whether he is actually innocent or not remains to be discovered... but until there's proof, all US citizens are SUPPOSED to be "presumed innocent until proven guilty". So, until such time as there is actual proof otherwise, I will presume him innocent.
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