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Post by billisonboard on Jun 15, 2015 17:02:46 GMT -5
Really. I haven't seen this level of dysfunctional since my family got together last summer. I love that song! Let's make Paul a househood name.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 15, 2015 17:33:50 GMT -5
how about "none of the above"? (i take issue with the word "forced") Education is not compulsory? red herring. we were talking about bathrooms, not education. and to answer your question, NO, gender neutral bathrooms are not "compulsory". People have a choice if they do not approve of this absurdity? Clearly yet another attempt by the left to re-define normal. The only ones forcing their views on social issues down everyone's throats are the lefties. yeah, all of those lefties that put sodomy laws on the books, for example. damn them all to hell.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 15, 2015 17:35:57 GMT -5
i appreciate how hard it must be for him to remain relevant. but he appears to have at least one dedicated fan to gulp his kool-aid.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 16, 2015 6:54:04 GMT -5
Education is not compulsory? red herring. we were talking about bathrooms, not education. and to answer your question, NO, gender neutral bathrooms are not "compulsory". People have a choice if they do not approve of this absurdity? Clearly yet another attempt by the left to re-define normal. The only ones forcing their views on social issues down everyone's throats are the lefties. yeah, all of those lefties that put sodomy laws on the books, for example. damn them all to hell. Where are these compulsory gender neutral bathrooms? I haven't heard of any in the schools down here, and believe me, in the belt buckle of the Bible Belt, I am 100% certain if someone tried to force the schools to provide gender neutral bathrooms, the streets of our little town would be full of indignant Christians with pitchforks and torches. We still do school prayer and I think someone whited out all the references to Evolution that were in the biology books.
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Post by Shooby on Jun 16, 2015 7:33:47 GMT -5
Why is it a lie? Can't she just say she is Trans racial? A black person born into a white person's body? How is that any different than Jenner?
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 16, 2015 7:35:30 GMT -5
yeah, all of those lefties that put sodomy laws on the books, for example. damn them all to hell. Where are these compulsory gender neutral bathrooms? I haven't heard of any in the schools down here, and believe me, in the belt buckle of the Bible Belt, I am 100% certain if someone tried to force the schools to provide gender neutral bathrooms, the streets of our little town would be full of indignant Christians with pitchforks and torches. We still do school prayer and I think someone whited out all the references to Evolution that were in the biology books. that's stupid. I never understood why people can't believe in both creationism and evolution. It really doesn't have to be one or the other.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2015 7:47:26 GMT -5
Where are these compulsory gender neutral bathrooms? I haven't heard of any in the schools down here, and believe me, in the belt buckle of the Bible Belt, I am 100% certain if someone tried to force the schools to provide gender neutral bathrooms, the streets of our little town would be full of indignant Christians with pitchforks and torches. We still do school prayer and I think someone whited out all the references to Evolution that were in the biology books. that's stupid. I never understood why people can't believe in both creationism and evolution. It really doesn't have to be one or the other. One will not fail science class for believing in both as long as you follow the class course. But one could get ejected from a religious institution for not towing the line of the church's 'scientific' beliefs.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2015 7:54:26 GMT -5
Why is it a lie? Can't she just say she is Trans racial? A black person born into a white person's body? How is that any different than Jenner? Hear, hear. Although I have all my arms and legs, I identify myself as a quadruple amputee and will fight for my fellow amputees.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 16, 2015 8:01:47 GMT -5
Matt Lauer just did an interview with her. The kid gloves he used with her was about size 175. A joke of an interview.
He should have just sat there and let her talk as his questions were the simplest, easiest, questions she will ever see. Then they even showed her two children sitting off to the side watching the interview.
I cannot believe they would put her two teenage children on camera. Low blow. Awkward situation. The kids should not have been shown. At least she got an all expense trip to the big Apple with the kids. I hope it was worth it.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 16, 2015 8:05:43 GMT -5
Matt Lauer just did an interview with her. The kid gloves he used with her was about size 175. A joke of an interview. He should have just sat there and let her talk as his questions were the simplest, easiest, questions she will ever see. Then they even showed her two children sitting off to the side watching the interview. I cannot believe they would put her two teenage children on camera. Low blow. Awkward situation. The kids should not have been shown. At least she got an all expense trip to the big Apple with the kids. I hope it was worth it. It could be the kids wanted to be there, VB. They're old enough to make that choice and they may have made it.
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Post by Shooby on Jun 16, 2015 8:06:03 GMT -5
Why is it a lie? Can't she just say she is Trans racial? A black person born into a white person's body? How is that any different than Jenner? Hear, hear. Although I have all my arms and legs, I identify myself as a quadruple amputee and will fight for my fellow amputees. There are people who WANT to actually have their limbs amputated. They call themselves transabled or the transability movement. Google it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2015 8:07:28 GMT -5
Matt Lauer just did an interview with her. The kid gloves he used with her was about size 175. A joke of an interview. He should have just sat there and let her talk as his questions were the simplest, easiest, questions she will ever see. Then they even showed her two children sitting off to the side watching the interview. I cannot believe they would put her two teenage children on camera. Low blow. Awkward situation. The kids should not have been shown. At least she got an all expense trip to the big Apple with the kids. I hope it was worth it. The teens are old enough to have stayed home. It was her choice to bring them to the NBC studio. And if NBC told her the teens would be shown on TV during her interview as part of their agreement with her for the interview, she could have declined the interview. All choices on her part.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 16, 2015 8:09:29 GMT -5
Why is it a lie? Can't she just say she is Trans racial? A black person born into a white person's body? How is that any different than Jenner? Jenner didn't lie about who his parents are. He didn't create a whole new childhood and a whole new life, where he was an advocate for women's rights. He didn't claim that he was discriminated against for being a woman, or claim that there were death threats against him for some mysterious situation that occurred in Idaho involving men harassing him. He didn't have pictures take of himself with some guy he claims is his dad, or with some kid he claims is his biological son. And he didn't get a job working as an advocate for women's rights based on his claims of years of being discriminated against as a woman. The bad part is, they've had NAACP leaders interviewed on the news who have said the NAACP would have welcomed her to their organization as a white person - they welcome anyone interested in fighting against injustice regardless of color. She's a very articulate, intelligent woman and could have done a good job for them. But because of this bizarre fake history she cooked up, she had to resign because she's attracting too much negative attention. She frankly looks like a nut job from a crazy dysfunctional family.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 16, 2015 8:12:04 GMT -5
Matt Lauer just did an interview with her. The kid gloves he used with her was about size 175. A joke of an interview. He should have just sat there and let her talk as his questions were the simplest, easiest, questions she will ever see. Then they even showed her two children sitting off to the side watching the interview. I cannot believe they would put her two teenage children on camera. Low blow. Awkward situation. The kids should not have been shown. At least she got an all expense trip to the big Apple with the kids. I hope it was worth it. The teens are old enough to have stayed home. It was her choice to bring them to the NBC studio. And if NBC told her the teens would be shown on TV during her interview as part of their agreement with her for the interview, she could have declined the interview. All choices on her part. I imagine that was discussed with her. That is also part of the transitioning of her situation, to a much more likeable person. Would you use your children in this situation?
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Post by Shooby on Jun 16, 2015 8:15:41 GMT -5
Who are any of you to judge her? You don't understand her struggle of being born in the wrong ethnicity. She just choose to create a new reality for herself.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 16, 2015 8:16:23 GMT -5
Matt Lauer just did an interview with her. The kid gloves he used with her was about size 175. A joke of an interview. He should have just sat there and let her talk as his questions were the simplest, easiest, questions she will ever see. Then they even showed her two children sitting off to the side watching the interview. I cannot believe they would put her two teenage children on camera. Low blow. Awkward situation. The kids should not have been shown. At least she got an all expense trip to the big Apple with the kids. I hope it was worth it. It could be the kids wanted to be there, VB. They're old enough to make that choice and they may have made it. All true. Did you see the interview and the children? Look closely. No racial connotation meant.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2015 8:17:12 GMT -5
Hear, hear. Although I have all my arms and legs, I identify myself as a quadruple amputee and will fight for my fellow amputees. There are people who WANT to actually have their limbs amputated. They call themselves transabled or the transability movement. Google it. Well aware of transabled. Hence I am a spokesperson for my disability.. Read 'Geek Love' by Katherine Dunn. The best book I ever read.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 16, 2015 8:17:40 GMT -5
I absolutely am 100% sure we always had a shit-ton of weirdos in this country. They are just more proud and in-your-face about it now. Conservatives think this stuff only happens because we say it is okay. All these weirdos have been doing all this weirdo stuff since the beginning of time - with society's permission or not. If you think that weirdos are only popping up because we are creating "new normals" than you have only spent time with a narrow group of people. Which is fine - I don't think anyone should be forced to spend time with people they don't like - but you have to understand, that doesn't mean those people (along with their view of themselves and their view of society) just goes away. The world is way, way more than any one person can see. And the weirdos are out there.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 16, 2015 8:18:40 GMT -5
Who are any of you to judge her? You don't understand her struggle of being born in the wrong ethnicity. She just choose to create a new reality for herself. True, but when her perpetual lies become our reality, it crosses the line. As recently as 2002 she claimed to be white and sued her University for discrimination. Her black University........
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Post by Shooby on Jun 16, 2015 8:21:14 GMT -5
How is that any different than having a penis and now saying u should be able to use the girls restroom , and locker room? Isnt that also a lie? Everyone else is just expected to acquiesce to their " reality".
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2015 8:23:49 GMT -5
The teens are old enough to have stayed home. It was her choice to bring them to the NBC studio. And if NBC told her the teens would be shown on TV during her interview as part of their agreement with her for the interview, she could have declined the interview. All choices on her part. I imagine that was discussed with her. That is also part of the transitioning of her situation, to a much more likeable person. Would you use your children in this situation? If she is trying to become a more likeable person, she is failing at that to. Her whole life is a lie. The problem is not just her telling everyone she is black, but her whole life's experiences are a lie too.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 16, 2015 8:25:14 GMT -5
How is that any different than having a penis and now saying u should be able to use the girls restroom , and locker room? Isnt that also a lie? Everyone else is just expected to acquiesce to their " reality". i am a guy. I do not have any issues in the woman's restroom. Not my call
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 16, 2015 8:27:02 GMT -5
Matt also failed to ask her about the big Gorilla in the room. Her accusations about her brother in Colorado.
Not to mention her Indian heritage and hunting small game with a bow and arrow.....
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Post by Shooby on Jun 16, 2015 8:28:18 GMT -5
Well I bet she uses plastic bags instead of paper. And does she shop at Walmart or drive an Suv?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2015 8:30:35 GMT -5
Matt also failed to ask her about the big Gorilla in the room. Her accusations about her brother in Colorado. Not to mention her Indian heritage and hunting small game with a bow and arrow..... Lauer probably did not ask her because it is a legal issue and open court case.
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Post by iono1 on Jun 16, 2015 9:18:56 GMT -5
She was the player to be named later in the Michael Jackson trade.
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 16, 2015 10:07:14 GMT -5
Why is it a lie? Can't she just say she is Trans racial? A black person born into a white person's body? How is that any different than Jenner? Jenner didn't lie about who his parents are. He didn't create a whole new childhood and a whole new life, where he was an advocate for women's rights. He didn't claim that he was discriminated against for being a woman, or claim that there were death threats against him for some mysterious situation that occurred in Idaho involving men harassing him. He didn't have pictures take of himself with some guy he claims is his dad, or with some kid he claims is his biological son. And he didn't get a job working as an advocate for women's rights based on his claims of years of being discriminated against as a woman. The bad part is, they've had NAACP leaders interviewed on the news who have said the NAACP would have welcomed her to their organization as a white person - they welcome anyone interested in fighting against injustice regardless of color. She's a very articulate, intelligent woman and could have done a good job for them. But because of this bizarre fake history she cooked up, she had to resign because she's attracting too much negative attention. She frankly looks like a nut job from a crazy dysfunctional family. So this. It's completely the opposite of what Jenner did. Jenner felt like he was living a lie his entire life and finally set herself free and allowed her to be herself. This woman chose to lie about who she is when she didn't have to. She could have still been good at her job and told the truth. The NAACP would still have welcomed her. She made a mistake and now has to live with the consequences.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 16, 2015 10:55:31 GMT -5
So now apparently the whole ugly family dysfunction is coming out - she had a falling out with her bio-mom in 2004 and decided she wanted to adopt one of the black kids her mom and dad had adopted (her step adopted brother?) and he wanted to go with her but her mom didn't want to give him up. Lawsuit and fight ensued, another, older step adopted brother sided with her mom and not with his sister. Then, when allegations come up that the older step adopted brother might have molested some kids, this woman steps forward supporting the victim, against the brother, either because she knew what was going on or as petty revenge for him not siding with her earlier, when she wanted to do the adoption. So, apparently to get back at her for getting back at her brother, mom and dad come forward to blow up her story about being a poor victimized black woman.
So just your average nasty inter familial mud flinging knock down drag out - only in this case played out on a national stage, due to the sheer craziness factor.
(Sounds like she really got into the victim thing - she went off because she found a noose hung in the trees behind her house, which her neighbor told her he himself put there a while back in order to hang a deer from the tree to gut it - no racial insult intended at all - but she ignored that and made a big public stink about racists threatening her home. Craziness.)
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jun 16, 2015 11:41:52 GMT -5
Apparently she told a student newspaper in 2013 that she was born in a teepee, had to hunt with a bow and arrow for food, and her parents beat her with a whip.
Crazy. Did she really expect people to believe this? She sounds like a compulsive liar.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 16, 2015 13:09:47 GMT -5
Apparently she told a student newspaper in 2013 that she was born in a teepee, had to hunt with a bow and arrow for food, and her parents beat her with a whip. Crazy. Did she really expect people to believe this? She sounds like a compulsive liar. If she wants to "identify" as black, go for it. The problem is with the fraud- she obtained benefits by misrepresenting herself.
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