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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 14, 2015 23:54:20 GMT -5
A prominent NAACP leader, civil rights activist and African studies professor is a Montana-born white woman who passed herself off as black for years, her parents told the Daily News.
Rachel Dolezal, 37, head of the NAACP’s Spokane chapter, even identified her adopted kid brother — an African-American youth — as her son while perpetuating the racial ruse.
“She would put her hair in long extensions and do African hairstyles, and she liked to identify with the culture,” her mother Ruthanne Dolezal told the News.
“But she was who she was.”www.nydailynews.com/news/national/naacp-leader-rachel-dolezal-lied-black-parents-article-1.2255743discuss.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 15, 2015 7:12:37 GMT -5
It wasn't just that this woman pretended to be black, but that she became an activist against racism, teaching black studies at a university, being active in the NAACP and claiming a long history of abuse at the hands of racists. She wasn't just adopting black culture because she thought it was cool (white kids having been adopting black music since back before Elvis) - she promoted herself as a victim.
There is probably some kind of name for this psychological need to be a victim, I just don't know what it is. (Munchausen?) I've heard of several different cases where women pretended to have cancer, even shaving their heads to mimic the effects of chemo, because they loved all the care and attention they received when people thought they were dying. This woman got some kind of validation from pretending to be a discriminated against minority.
As to why her parents came out publically with this information - I think part of her victim status came from what she claimed were her very poor circumstances as a child, including having to hunt for her own food with a bow and arrow. Maybe they got sick of her made up shit making her parents look bad.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Jun 15, 2015 7:16:36 GMT -5
So claiming to be Katniss Everdeen was the final straw.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 15, 2015 8:09:32 GMT -5
I saw this story. No way did she look black to me. She just looks like a white girl with a ton of spray tan. There are many people of color who can pass easily for caucasian..that is nothing new ...and many who could pass do and did...and why not especially if it gave them a better life... Lets face it...our countrys race relations just suck ...even today...so if passing will give some one a leg up where it really shouldn't be a problem but is ....my feeling..go for it...more power to them.. Maybe, but if it was your daughter doing this............... This is more about deceit to the black race. It is one thing to live as a black if you want to, do it if you must, emotionally, but when you profess to be a leader in the black community, put yourself out there in a public stance and lie, we are talking something else.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jun 15, 2015 8:11:24 GMT -5
I hink it's more a question of her personal integrity than her race. People don't like being lied to.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 15, 2015 8:14:22 GMT -5
It wasn't just that this woman pretended to be black, but that she became an activist against racism, teaching black studies at a university, being active in the NAACP and claiming a long history of abuse at the hands of racists. She wasn't just adopting black culture because she thought it was cool (white kids having been adopting black music since back before Elvis) - she promoted herself as a victim. There is probably some kind of name for this psychological need to be a victim, I just don't know what it is. (Munchausen?) I've heard of several different cases where women pretended to have cancer, even shaving their heads to mimic the effects of chemo, because they loved all the care and attention they received when people thought they were dying. This woman got some kind of validation from pretending to be a discriminated against minority. As to why her parents came out publically with this information - I think part of her victim status came from what she claimed were her very poor circumstances as a child, including having to hunt for her own food with a bow and arrow. Maybe they got sick of her made up shit making her parents look bad. Did they search out the media, or did the media search them out for a question about her? If she claimed she was multi racial, she is saying her mother had an affair, and her "white father" accepted the fact and both lived a lie. I am not sure I could live that lie for her, if approached by the media. Since the parents adopted black children I wonder if it was simply fascination with blacks in general, or she felt her parents did not love her since they adopted blacks children, so she decided to adapt a new heritage. I know that's a stretch.........but we do not know her reasoning.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 15, 2015 8:15:01 GMT -5
I see she cancelled her news conference today.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 15, 2015 8:44:13 GMT -5
So claiming to be Katniss Everdeen was the final straw. I've lived in the suburbs all my life, like the clothing styles of Ann Taylor/Tommy Hilfiger/J. Crew/Calvin Klein, and have never known what it was like to really live "on the edge". That being said, I know some black people who have had a more stereotypical "black experience," and at no point did they mention having to use a bow and arrow to get food.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 15, 2015 9:04:49 GMT -5
So claiming to be Katniss Everdeen was the final straw. I've lived in the suburbs all my life, like the clothing styles of Ann Taylor/Tommy Hilfiger/J. Crew/Calvin Klein, and have never known what it was like to really live "on the edge". That being said, I know some black people who have had a more stereotypical "black experience," and at no point did they mention having to use a bow and arrow to get food. The bow and arrow to get food was her American Indian part of her life as a child.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 15, 2015 9:58:12 GMT -5
So claiming to be Katniss Everdeen was the final straw. I've lived in the suburbs all my life, like the clothing styles of Ann Taylor/Tommy Hilfiger/J. Crew/Calvin Klein, and have never known what it was like to really live "on the edge". That being said, I know some black people who have had a more stereotypical "black experience," and at no point did they mention having to use a bow and arrow to get food. I think this is what happens if you're sitting around trying to think up what the most deprived childhood might be, so you can claim to have experienced it. The reality of having to ask neighbors for food, or trying to get invited to someone else's house for dinner, or stealing food from friend's houses or from the 7-11 is a lot less romantic than imaging yourself stalking rabbits in the wilderness. Maybe if she'd actually asked some poor people what they did to get by she would have come up with a more believable back story.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 15, 2015 10:04:56 GMT -5
It wasn't just that this woman pretended to be black, but that she became an activist against racism, teaching black studies at a university, being active in the NAACP and claiming a long history of abuse at the hands of racists. She wasn't just adopting black culture because she thought it was cool (white kids having been adopting black music since back before Elvis) - she promoted herself as a victim. There is probably some kind of name for this psychological need to be a victim, I just don't know what it is. (Munchausen?) I've heard of several different cases where women pretended to have cancer, even shaving their heads to mimic the effects of chemo, because they loved all the care and attention they received when people thought they were dying. This woman got some kind of validation from pretending to be a discriminated against minority. As to why her parents came out publically with this information - I think part of her victim status came from what she claimed were her very poor circumstances as a child, including having to hunt for her own food with a bow and arrow. Maybe they got sick of her made up shit making her parents look bad.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 15, 2015 10:07:12 GMT -5
It wasn't just that this woman pretended to be black, but that she became an activist against racism, teaching black studies at a university, being active in the NAACP and claiming a long history of abuse at the hands of racists. She wasn't just adopting black culture because she thought it was cool (white kids having been adopting black music since back before Elvis) - she promoted herself as a victim. There is probably some kind of name for this psychological need to be a victim, I just don't know what it is. (Munchausen?) I've heard of several different cases where women pretended to have cancer, even shaving their heads to mimic the effects of chemo, because they loved all the care and attention they received when people thought they were dying. This woman got some kind of validation from pretending to be a discriminated against minority. As to why her parents came out publically with this information - I think part of her victim status came from what she claimed were her very poor circumstances as a child, including having to hunt for her own food with a bow and arrow. Maybe they got sick of her made up shit making her parents look bad. Did they search out the media, or did the media search them out for a question about her? If she claimed she was multi racial, she is saying her mother had an affair, and her "white father" accepted the fact and both lived a lie. I am not sure I could live that lie for her, if approached by the media. Since the parents adopted black children I wonder if it was simply fascination with blacks in general, or she felt her parents did not love her since they adopted blacks children, so she decided to adapt a new heritage. I know that's a stretch.........but we do not know her reasoning. i doubt most people viewed her as important enough to merit the attention. until now.
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I've lived in the suburbs all my life, like the clothing styles of Ann Taylor/Tommy Hilfiger/J. Crew/Calvin Klein, and have never known what it was like to really live "on the edge". That being said, I know some black people who have had a more stereotypical "black experience," and at no point did they mention having to use a bow and arrow to get food. I think this is what happens if you're sitting around trying to think up what the most deprived childhood might be, so you can claim to have experienced it. The reality of having to ask neighbors for food, or trying to get invited to someone else's house for dinner, or stealing food from friend's houses or from the 7-11 is a lot less romantic than imaging yourself stalking rabbits in the wilderness. Maybe if she'd actually asked some poor people what they did to get by she would have come up with a more believable back story. this is a very educated woman who has studied African American studies... you think she would have been able to put together a decent backstory (or "blackstory" ).
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 15, 2015 10:15:32 GMT -5
Didn't Elizabeth Warren pull a similar stunt regarding her heritage or doesn't that count because she a democrat? Just curious. if by "doesn't count" you mean "spent three months getting constantly questioned in the so called liberal media about it", then yes. I believe what the poster means by "doesn't count" is that she wasn't railroaded out of office and finally forced to resign in an abrupt, and unceremonious permanent end to her political career.
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if by "doesn't count" you mean "spent three months getting constantly questioned in the so called liberal media about it", then yes. I believe what the poster means by "doesn't count" is that she wasn't railroaded out of office and finally forced to resign in an abrupt, and unceremonious permanent end to her political career. Yes because Democrats always skate while Republicans always get run out of town on a rail.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 15, 2015 10:19:58 GMT -5
if by "doesn't count" you mean "spent three months getting constantly questioned in the so called liberal media about it", then yes. I believe what the poster means by "doesn't count" is that she wasn't railroaded out of office and finally forced to resign in an abrupt, and unceremonious permanent end to her political career. she was running for office at the time for the great state of Massachusetts. they considered the offense, and decided that it was not as great as say, going AWOL during VietNam. i don't know whether i agree or not, as i didn't pay much attention to Warren then, and i don't now, either.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 15, 2015 10:21:05 GMT -5
I believe what the poster means by "doesn't count" is that she wasn't railroaded out of office and finally forced to resign in an abrupt, and unceremonious permanent end to her political career. Yes because Democrats always skate while Republicans always get run out of town on a rail. i have to admit that the GOP is way more puritanical and intolerant than Democrats are right now. i am not sure that is such a good thing.
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There are many people of color who can pass easily for caucasian..that is nothing new ...and many who could pass do and did...and why not especially if it gave them a better life... Lets face it...our countrys race relations just suck ...even today...so if passing will give some one a leg up where it really shouldn't be a problem but is ....my feeling..go for it...more power to them.. Maybe, but if it was your daughter doing this............... This is more about deceit to the black race. It is one thing to live as a black if you want to, do it if you must, emotionally, but when you profess to be a leader in the black community, put yourself out there in a public stance and lie, we are talking something else. This individual took a very active role in combating racial injustices..not a easy role to play especially in the community she lived in...Oklahoma is NOT the bastian of liberal eastern racial thinking if say a Connecticut , Rhode Island , New Hampshire ..you get the picture ...community..with it's past and even semi recent history..anything but. As far as my daughter...I do have a daughter..very liberal by the way...{ No not just in the family..} beloved son..great guy..very conservative..same family...but back to my daughter which you brought up..no idea why by the way..knowing her..her honesty and positive doings..what ever she did would be fine by me most likely...unless she did something morally evil...and that would never be the case. If you mean "Maybe, but if it was your daughter doing this..............."..not sure I know what you mean...claiming she was of color or have earlier married someone of color...? I also would never have outed here for what ever reason it seems her parents did..for what reason I can't understand. That they, she and they , have been on the outs for years..so what. Your daughter..not doing anything evil..anything but..but since what ever reason they might have been embarressed...and that is their excuse...? BS in my mind...No wonder they are not together..shows her decision on that probably was a correct one..
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 15, 2015 11:50:13 GMT -5
Maybe, but if it was your daughter doing this............... This is more about deceit to the black race. It is one thing to live as a black if you want to, do it if you must, emotionally, but when you profess to be a leader in the black community, put yourself out there in a public stance and lie, we are talking something else. This individual took a very active role in combating racial injustices..not a easy role to play especially in the community she lived in...Oklahoma is NOT the bastian of liberal eastern racial thinking if say a Connecticut , Rhode Island , New Hampshire ..you get the picture ...community..with it's past and even semi recent history..anything but. As far as my daughter...I do have a daughter..very liberal by the way...{ No not just in the family..} beloved son..great guy..very conservative..same family...but back to my daughter which you brought up..no idea why by the way..knowing her..her honesty and positive doings..what ever she did would be fine by me most likely...unless she did something morally evil...and that would never be the case. If you mean "Maybe, but if it was your daughter doing this..............."..not sure I know what you mean...claiming she was of color or have earlier married someone of color...? I also would never have outed here for what ever reason it seems her parents did..for what reason I can't understand. That they, she and they , have been on the outs for years..so what. Your daughter..not doing anything evil..anything but..but since what ever reason they might have been embarressed...and that is their excuse...? BS in my mind...No wonder they are not together..shows her decision on that probably was a correct one.. Dezi, I thought this was in Washington state, not Oklahoma. And Oklahoma is not as racist as you might think. As far as "your daughter" I am referring to lying about the whole scenerio, from early years, to now. It looks like she has made up so-called threats to her safety, too. If your daughter claimed to be partially black, when your family is white, I am sure if the media came to you, you might spill the beans. I do not think even you would want your wife to be assumed to have passed a multi racial child as being yours, with out setting the record straight. I guess they could lie and say she was adopted. The truth shall set you free.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 15, 2015 12:07:07 GMT -5
...Dezi, I thought this was in Washington state, not Oklahoma. ... Eastern Washington State. Here is one story about the area: The Spokane bombing attempt occurred on January 17, 2011, when a radio-controlled-shaped pipe bomb was found and defused in Spokane, Washington along the route of that year's Martin Luther King Jr. memorial march. ... According to the FBI, the bombing may have been racially motivated, and its timing was likely not a coincidence. ... 2011 Spokane bombing attempt
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 15, 2015 12:18:29 GMT -5
I believe what the poster means by "doesn't count" is that she wasn't railroaded out of office and finally forced to resign in an abrupt, and unceremonious permanent end to her political career. she was running for office at the time for the great state of Massachusetts. they considered the offense, and decided that it was not as great as say, going AWOL during VietNam. i don't know whether i agree or not, as i didn't pay much attention to Warren then, and i don't now, either. Her opponent went AWOL in Vietnam? I'm not really familiar with the politics in MA other than they're a bunch of libs.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 15, 2015 12:18:39 GMT -5
I might look at this differently had this woman not included her still-living family, including her adopted brother, in her lies. I suspect she has some sort of mental/emotional issue that's at the root of the lies she's told. Still, to claim her brother as her son ... ? Just wrong, IMO. If you must lie, go right ahead, but don't include others in your lies. If you do, and the press (or anyone else) comes to your family's door asking questions, your family has every right (some, including me, might rightly say the responsibility) to tell the truth. That, to me, is exactly what happened here.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 15, 2015 12:23:09 GMT -5
Yes because Democrats always skate while Republicans always get run out of town on a rail. i have to admit that the GOP is way more puritanical and intolerant than Democrats are right now. i am not sure that is such a good thing. Liberal Democrats are the most dogmatic, puritanical, and oppressive ideological group there is right now.
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I might look at this differently had this woman not included her still-living family, including her adopted brother, in her lies. I suspect she has some sort of mental/emotional issue that's at the root of the lies she's told. Still, to claim her brother as her son ... ? Just wrong, IMO. If you must lie, go right ahead, but don't include others in your lies. If you do, and the press (or anyone else) comes to your family's door asking questions, your family has every right (some, including me, might rightly say the responsibility) to tell the truth. That, to me, is exactly what happened here. I feel like she just didn't put enough effort into the lie/blackstory. She could have created a whole new identity complete with a new name. She could have said her mom got knocked up by a man who left her mom shortly after she was born... then her mom became addicted to drugs and put her up for adoption... she then bounced from foster home to foster home, running away a few times, etc. And this is just off the top of my head!
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I might look at this differently had this woman not included her still-living family, including her adopted brother, in her lies. I suspect she has some sort of mental/emotional issue that's at the root of the lies she's told. Still, to claim her brother as her son ... ? Just wrong, IMO. If you must lie, go right ahead, but don't include others in your lies. If you do, and the press (or anyone else) comes to your family's door asking questions, your family has every right (some, including me, might rightly say the responsibility) to tell the truth. That, to me, is exactly what happened here. I feel like she just didn't put enough effort into the lie/blackstory. She could have created a whole new identity complete with a new name. She could have said her mom got knocked up by a man who left her mom shortly after she was born... then her mom became addicted to drugs and put her up for adoption... she then bounced from foster home to foster home, running away a few times, etc. And this is just off the top of my head! Got into hooking and blow at age 15?
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 15, 2015 12:40:18 GMT -5
I might look at this differently had this woman not included her still-living family, including her adopted brother, in her lies. I suspect she has some sort of mental/emotional issue that's at the root of the lies she's told. Still, to claim her brother as her son ... ? Just wrong, IMO. If you must lie, go right ahead, but don't include others in your lies. If you do, and the press (or anyone else) comes to your family's door asking questions, your family has every right (some, including me, might rightly say the responsibility) to tell the truth. That, to me, is exactly what happened here. I feel like she just didn't put enough effort into the lie/blackstory. She could have created a whole new identity complete with a new name. She could have said her mom got knocked up by a man who left her mom shortly after she was born... then her mom became addicted to drugs and put her up for adoption... she then bounced from foster home to foster home, running away a few times, etc. And this is just off the top of my head! Agreed! If you're going to lie, then lie, dammit. Don't mix lies with truths and expect to come out of it smelling like the real thing! Honestly, though, since she was involved in something that made her pretty high-profile, her lineage was bound to come out. With what she's done, she's involved her whole family. Dumb. Just plain dumb!
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