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Post by yogiii on Jun 3, 2015 10:29:51 GMT -5
That opinion is not valid to think I liked you!!!! I eat pork, I'm just messing with you. I really don't like mayo though.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 3, 2015 10:31:24 GMT -5
to think I liked you!!!! I eat pork, I'm just messing with you. I really don't like mayo though. I will have some mayo with canned tuna and a TINY bit on a BLT sandwich... that's about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 10:31:56 GMT -5
When I read the bible I don't read that gay and transgendered were the things people were doing wrong.
At the time gay etc became 'sinful' ALL non procreative sex was pro claimed sinful... Funny we managed to abandon that premise fairly quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 10:33:14 GMT -5
Actually, although it's distasteful to consider, on a purely genetic/ evolutionary standpoint, genetically engineering for positive traits would be the BEST thing to do...
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Post by cranberry49 on Jun 3, 2015 10:34:03 GMT -5
All no procreative sex was claimed sinful? Please show me where you find this information! I've never seen this.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 3, 2015 10:34:11 GMT -5
When I read the bible I don't read that gay and transgendered were the things people were doing wrong. At the time gay etc became 'sinful' ALL non procreative sex was pro claimed sinful... Funny we managed to abandon that premise fairly quickly. actually most real Christians are still against premarital sex (I don't know how they do it, honestly). I know some do family planning/rhythm method as BC once married.
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Post by yogiii on Jun 3, 2015 10:34:46 GMT -5
Actually, although it's distasteful to consider, on a purely genetic/ evolutionary standpoint, genetically engineering for positive traits would be the BEST thing to do... Some problem will always pop up, unintended consequences.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 3, 2015 10:39:05 GMT -5
Actually, although it's distasteful to consider, on a purely genetic/ evolutionary standpoint, genetically engineering for positive traits would be the BEST thing to do... Some problem will always pop up, unintended consequences. exactly, like prescription drugs. "Eatitall - guaranteed to lower your cholesterol in 30 days or your money back!!! *side effects may include anal leakage, dry mouth, smelly urine, rash, nausea, migranes, trouble sleeping, suicidal thoughts, and depression."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 10:39:08 GMT -5
When I read the bible I don't read that gay and transgendered were the things people were doing wrong. At the time gay etc became 'sinful' ALL non procreative sex was pro claimed sinful... Funny we managed to abandon that premise fairly quickly. actually most real Christians are still against premarital sex (I don't know how they do it, honestly). I know some do family planning/rhythm method as BC once married. Not premarital. Non procreative. Ie. if this act is not to make a baby, right now, it is wrong.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 3, 2015 10:39:49 GMT -5
That opinion is not valid to think I liked you!!!! I totally misread yogiii's post.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 3, 2015 10:42:53 GMT -5
Some problem will always pop up, unintended consequences. exactly, like prescription drugs. "Eatitall - guaranteed to lower your cholesterol in 30 days or your money back!!! *side effects may include anal leakage, dry mouth, smelly urine, rash, nausea, migranes, trouble sleeping, suicidal thoughts, and depression." Or, for instance, if we can genetically engineer people to live 200 years - can our society sustain a population with that many more people?
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Post by The Captain on Jun 3, 2015 10:43:34 GMT -5
Seriously people, how the hell did we bring bacon into this discussion?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 3, 2015 11:04:30 GMT -5
That nobody cares why anyone would object to transgenderism?
... I was wondering that also, has it been answered yet? I don't think so. I am guessing the demise of family values? Suicide, mental illness, drug abuse, family dysfunction, but most importantly, the fact that surgery doesn't address the underlying psycho-social troubles. If you want a real conservative's opinion: knock yourself out. Perhaps you have no back up for some of your positions because you are not in the center of the conservative diaspora, but closer to the far right edge of it. Perhaps if you took a step out of our corner of paradise onto virtually any other message board, you'd find to your horror that Paul and I are closer to the center than you'd ever dared imagine. Conservatives are generally very blunt, very direct people. We have no respect for euphemisms, veiled insults, verbal sleight of hand. When we think somebody is a useless twit, we say "You're a useless twit, and we're now dumber for having listened to your ideas.", not "Conservatives are useless twits, and listening to their ideas makes us all dumber." in a context where any individual with two functioning brain cells can deduce who precisely 'conservatives' is meant to refer to. Our board does not allow the former, but does allow the latter. The liberal view of this reality: As long as I make my insults sufficiently indirect, I can basically say anything I want to! Huzzah! The conservative view: What the [snow leopard] is wrong with this board? These are the same insult stated in slightly different ways. Screw playing that game. Greener pastures, here I come! Combine that with other issues we've discussed in private, you get... this thread. We've got 25, perhaps, major pro-Jenner contributors, three sort-of-against-Jenner-but-really-not-sure contributors, and me. And I'm not even American. I'd wager at least 50% of your countrymen are further right on the issue than I am, and not one of them dares voice their opinion in this thread on this message board. So give me a break. Virgil I understand how hard it is to understand the mindset of someone like Jenner. A while back I read "Middlesex" by Jeffrey Eugenides, and it was eye opening. I always thought of male and female as two opposites, when actually, there is a scale between very masculine and ultra feminine, and all of us are somewhere along that scale. Here I'll simply state: i) it's not necessary for us to deeply understand somebody's mindset to conclude it's irrational; understanding helps with treatment, obviously, but that's a separate issue; and ii) I'm well aware a problem exists and isn't imagined; I totally disagree with (attempting to) change sex as the best means of dealing with it; I'm certainly not alone. ... God doesn't rank sin. Sin is sin no matter if applies to you or not. That's very true. And as I mentioned, we're warned against self-righteous attitudes, hypocrisy, hatred, and other pitfalls. We're also instructed to be judicious in whom we engage. I think you probably know the many scriptures I'm referring to there. It's a fine line. We're not supposed to go around picking fights, but we're not expected to hide in a box in a corner either. As I see it, this message board isn't so far gone that there's no profit to stating a Biblical viewpoint, defending it on a rational, worldly basis (obviously, since scripture isn't allowed), and letting people at least know why it is those rotten conservatives are so recalcitrant. More recently I've begun to suspect that I've jumped the shark and this community is so generally hostile to such views that any appeal of the form "thus and such is wrong; don't do it" is basically spitting in people's eyes. If that's all my contributions amount to, there's no profit to my being here. I'm obviously not going to embrace the consensus, and it makes little sense to contribute if all it does is antagonize people. I would like social conservatism to be represented on the board. I'm compelled to dispel myths or misunderstandings about "what conservatives think", and provide a rigorous defense. But if posters don't care about my arguments (and there's been more evidence of that lately), and a rigorous defense is nothing more than arrogance, hatred, recalcitrance, etc., then there really is no point to it, is there? I'm just an old, cranky man whose views need to die. At any rate, I am trying to walk that fine line of not compromising my beliefs, not denying my faith, but at the same time, trying not to stir up more trouble than necessary to convey my point. I do get some 'likes' and encouraging PMs.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jun 3, 2015 11:06:25 GMT -5
Seriously people, how the hell did we bring bacon into this discussion? The bible and cloven footed animals. of course. But then we are disregarding Peters dream in Acts 10:9-16.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 3, 2015 11:06:45 GMT -5
We should ban all pork products. Don't look at me. I don't eat pork. My family was upset about it at first, but then my sister and brother-in-law became vegetarians, so now they take all the flak.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 3, 2015 11:14:59 GMT -5
We should ban all pork products. I don't like people who want to ban pork
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jun 3, 2015 11:16:53 GMT -5
Don't look at me. I don't eat pork. My family was upset about it at first, but then my sister and brother-in-law became vegetarians, so now they take all the flak. But yet you don't verbosely pontificate about the dangers of eating pork... (which, believe me, I would love to have you do, because verbose pontification is what gives us great discussions. But fact is, it doesn't happen).
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 3, 2015 11:33:27 GMT -5
Don't look at me. I don't eat pork. My family was upset about it at first, but then my sister and brother-in-law became vegetarians, so now they take all the flak. But yet you don't verbosely pontificate about the dangers of eating pork... (which, believe me, I would love to have you do, because verbose pontificate is what gives us great discussions. But fact is, it doesn't happen). I just might at some point. I'll put up photos of cute piggies, exposees of their hellish living conditions on factory farms, and animal rights propaganda about how incredibly intelligent and loving they are. Then I'll move on to the particular health risks associated with pork, the new research linking pork consumption with various brain and kidney ailments, and finally the big one: pigs as vectors for disease. Pigs will be the death of us all saith the CDC. Very likely starting in China, where pigs live in close proximity to man. I'm not entirely sure why, but pigs are apparently the premiere way for disease to migrate from other animals into humans. I'd top it off with statistics on pork consumption in the US, and the record-setting 2014 US obesity stats. And then I'd post some more pictures of cute, helpless piggies. So don't push me, man. Don't push me.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 3, 2015 11:39:56 GMT -5
Yes....please don't push him, man. Please. I quit eating meat because I could no longer fool myself into thinking a steak grew on a bush. I can't stand pictures of poor piggies.
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Post by fatbear on Jun 3, 2015 11:40:00 GMT -5
So you dislike the reason that the other person uses for disliking that person? What business is it of yours for why they dislike them? That sounds very intolerant. Can you not understand distinction? I don't care if MJ doesn't like it. I care that Virgil thinks he needs to publicly label it sick/delusional/dangerous/etc... I don't place that distinction because people also don't have the right to not be offended. What Virgil says is offensive, but it's still within his rights.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 3, 2015 11:57:38 GMT -5
But yet you don't verbosely pontificate about the dangers of eating pork... (which, believe me, I would love to have you do, because verbose pontificate is what gives us great discussions. But fact is, it doesn't happen). I just might at some point. I'll put up photos of cute piggies, exposees of their hellish living conditions on factory farms, and animal rights propaganda about how incredibly intelligent and loving they are. Then I'll move on to the particular health risks associated with pork, the new research linking pork consumption with various brain and kidney ailments, and finally the big one: pigs as vectors for disease. Pigs will be the death of us all saith the CDC. Very likely starting in China, where pigs live in close proximity to man. I'm not entirely sure why, but pigs are apparently the premiere way for disease to migrate from other animals into humans. I'd top it off with statistics on pork consumption in the US, and the record-setting 2014 US obesity stats. And then I'd post some more pictures of cute, helpless piggies. So don't push me, man. Don't push me. two words: snow leopards.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 11:58:51 GMT -5
Can you not understand distinction? I don't care if MJ doesn't like it. I care that Virgil thinks he needs to publicly label it sick/delusional/dangerous/etc... I don't place that distinction because people also don't have the right to not be offended. What Virgil says is offensive, but it's still within his rights. I'm offended by people who dislike Jews. You are correct i have no right not to be offended. I will actively protest anyone who wants to publicly label Jews as inferior or damaged or dangerous. Sorry you can't see the difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 12:00:43 GMT -5
My sister used to have a cute piggie shirt that said 'Please don't eat me."
She wasn't happy when I pointed out that the pig would have no qualms about returning the favor. Pigs will eat anything, including their young.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 12:01:17 GMT -5
Non procreative sex. I'll link when I'm home.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 3, 2015 12:09:16 GMT -5
Yes....please don't push him, man. Please. I quit eating meat because I could no longer fool myself into thinking a steak grew on a bush. I can't stand pictures of poor piggies. Of course they don't grow on a bush! They grow in plastic shrink wrap packages at Wegmans.....and that's all I need to know!
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jun 3, 2015 12:11:19 GMT -5
But yet you don't verbosely pontificate about the dangers of eating pork... (which, believe me, I would love to have you do, because verbose pontificate is what gives us great discussions. But fact is, it doesn't happen). I just might at some point. I'll put up photos of cute piggies, exposees of their hellish living conditions on factory farms, and animal rights propaganda about how incredibly intelligent and loving they are. Then I'll move on to the particular health risks associated with pork, the new research linking pork consumption with various brain and kidney ailments, and finally the big one: pigs as vectors for disease. Pigs will be the death of us all saith the CDC. Very likely starting in China, where pigs live in close proximity to man. I'm not entirely sure why, but pigs are apparently the premiere way for disease to migrate from other animals into humans. I'd top it off with statistics on pork consumption in the US, and the record-setting 2014 US obesity stats. And then I'd post some more pictures of cute, helpless piggies. So don't push me, man. Don't push me. But the fact that you don't is my point. You have self selected LGBT issues to speak out against. The Bible says it is an abomination is the crutch to lean on, but it is not the reason to speak out against it. The reason is because it is something you don't like, not something the Bible doesn't like. If it was simply a matter of the people acting outside of the teachings of the Bible, the pork issue (amongst others) should be a much bigger issue. Both issues affect you in similar ways. Both are similarly separating people from teachings of the Bible. Yet only one is spoken out against. And it isn't an issue of availability to speak out against LGBT versus pork. There are more posts on this board extolling the consumption of bacon than of the virtues of being transgender. There are more people in the community at large that eat pork than are LGBT or even those that support the LGBT community. So, in theory, counselling those against eating pork should have a bigger effect than counseling those against LGBT. But even in light of all those things, it is LGBT issues that receive the most outspokenness. It is any wonder that the LGBT community feels unduly discriminated against? It is nothing but people personally not liking or approving of their choices and trying to enforce their feelings on them.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 3, 2015 12:13:18 GMT -5
Yes....please don't push him, man. Please. I quit eating meat because I could no longer fool myself into thinking a steak grew on a bush. I can't stand pictures of poor piggies. Of course they don't grow on a bush! They grow in plastic shrink wrap packages at Wegmans.....and that's all I need to know! LOL!! Stop it! .....lead me not into temptation....
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 3, 2015 12:14:06 GMT -5
I guess I feel society and humanity is constantly evolving in so many different ways that something like this is not likely to actually change the course of human evolution... I doubt it will take place in numbers large enough to do so. We haven't seen the course of human evolution changed by gay/lesbian people, have we? You'd need some relatively large percentage of the population to decide they were transgender to make any real impact. 7 billion (plus) is a shitload of people and you can bet your ass not a significant enough number of them are trans so as to really affect anything (IMO). For example, cloning tech and the ethical implications of that would worry me more from an all-of-humanity POV than transgender people would. I guess I can't really equate individuals and their preference for their own bodies to something with such larger-scale implications like cloning or insane medical advances that let us live as a brain in a jar or something. (which I agree, that shit is cray.) (I haven't looked up data to back this up, this is just my opinion at first blush) I'm more or less saying that this is one of the ways in which we are making changes to the human race. To me it's just one more drop in the proverbial bucket, but there are already a lot of drops in there. We already do stuff that I'm against from an evolutionary perspective (like using medicine to help women past a certain age having kids for the first time, how we accommodate people with life threatening allergies to common allergens, how people can sit on their asses and eat crap but can take pills to lower blood pressure and regulate blood sugar, etc.). I don't know.... I feel like we are getting weaker as a species, and if some huge catastrophe happens and people will have to survive similar to how we were as cavemen, most of us wouldn't make it. Transgender surgery is doing nothing to change the human race or interfere with evolution. Not any more than a nose job. If someone has a giant honker and has surgery to make it smaller, it does nothing in terms of genetics. Their children will still likely be born with big noses. Having a nose job doesn't mean your children will have cute and perky noses. Same with trans surgery. It doesn't change your genetics, in any way, shape or form. It's purely cosmetic, like a nose job, but it makes a world of difference to the person living in that particular skin. If you have an argument regarding how trans surgery is changing human evolutionary patterns, I would very much like to hear it. Maybe I'll learn something.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 3, 2015 12:14:25 GMT -5
Of course they don't grow on a bush! They grow in plastic shrink wrap packages at Wegmans.....and that's all I need to know! LOL!! Stop it! .....lead me not into temptation.... mmm....steak...you know you want it
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 3, 2015 12:16:08 GMT -5
LOL!! Stop it! .....lead me not into temptation.... mmm....steak...you know you want it Oh...I want it.......I want it baaaaaaaaaaaad(ly). But NO! Can't stand the thought of those sweet brown eyes going dim from a hammer shot to the brain. Just can't. Why the heck does it have to taste sooooo good?
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