Baltimore erupts in riots.....

[kent]

Maybe if the plan of the day was "Looters will be shot." this BS would stop in a hurry.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police-seven-officers-injured-one-unresponsive-in-baltimore-riot/ar-BBiK3jU

Baltimore Police Captain Eric Kowalczyk said at a briefing that one of the injured police officers was unresponsive and several had broken bones.

Earlier, police urged officers to take steps to ensure their safety after they reported receiving a "credible threat" of attacks on law enforcement.

Nothing stated by the MSN piece related to an agenda aimed at attacking police but the following elaborates:

www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/27/gangs-vow-to-target-police-as-baltiomore-protests-spread/

"It's a group of lawless individuals," Kowalczyk said of the rioters. "What we know is that they are a group of criminals with no regard for the people in the community."

A police source told Fox News several gangs, including Black Gorilla Family, Bloods and Crips all had “entered into a partnership to take out law enforcement officers.”

Activists from the Nation of Islam claimed responsibility for bringing the gangs together, telling reporters that they brokered a deal between the hated foes.

“I can say with honesty those brothers demonstrated they can be united for a common good,” Nation of Islam minister Carlos Muhammad told The Daily Beast. “At the rally, they made the call that they must be united on that day. It should be commended.”

[Jaguar]

I'm watching all of this on Support Forum, just freaking damn unbelievable.

[billisonboard]

A lot of passion happening in Baltimore right now.

[Blonde Granny]

Many many years ago there was rioting in E. St. Louis. Eventually the police just left the area and let the people doing the rioting demolish the town. AFAIK, it has really never been rebuilt.

Perhaps it's time for that same tactic now. Send the police home for their own safety and let those doing the damage destroy everything in their path.  Then, don't bother to rebuild the city.

[Peace77]

It's very sad.
Freddie Grey's family asked that there be no protests today.

Rioting, looting, setting fires to cars and buildings, causing damage and hurting homeless people isn't going to help the situation. 

[zibazinski]

What do you expect? Is anyone surprised? I'm sure not.

[chiver78]

Apr 27, 2015 19:08:36 GMT -5 Peace77 said:

It's very sad.
Freddie Grey's family asked that there be no protests today.

Rioting, looting, setting fires to cars and buildings, causing damage and hurting homeless people isn't going to help the situation. 

no, it isnt. and I am just thankful that I've finally heard from the wife of a good friend of mine who happens to be a Baltimore cop - he is okay. ugh.....I hope there are no more than the 7 injured that was reported in the news tonight.

sent from my electronic distraction

[Malarky]

I've been watching this unfold for most of the day.  It's sickening.

I do not condone police brutality and officers who indulge should be punished.  This type of response is uncalled for.  

Whatever happened to our justice system?  Investigations and innocent until proven guilty and all that important stuff?  

How looting and destroying businesses and wreaking havoc on entire neighborhoods promotes their cause or satisfies their sense of justice is beyond me.  

[ArchietheDragon]

Apr 27, 2015 19:50:32 GMT -5 Malarky said:

     

Whatever happened to our justice system?  Investigations and innocent until proven guilty and all that important stuff?  

It is the best system in the world, but it is flawed and not perfect.

[EVT1]

Apr 27, 2015 19:50:32 GMT -5 Malarky said:

I've been watching this unfold for most of the day.  It's sickening.

I do not condone police brutality and officers who indulge should be punished.  This type of response is uncalled for.  

Whatever happened to our justice system?  Investigations and innocent until proven guilty and all that important stuff?  

How looting and destroying businesses and wreaking havoc on entire neighborhoods promotes their cause or satisfies their sense of justice is beyond me.  

I would go easy on that 'their cause' statement.  There are people out there protesting a legitimate gripe, and there are opportunistic criminal assholes using it for cover.

In fact it is just like the police they are protesting- there are some bad apples in the bunch.  But as long as people keep ending end up dead after police encounters over petty bullshit without explanation or worse a made up version of events I support their right to be out there every day if that is what it takes.

[Peace77]

They have now reported that 15 police officers were injured.  All have been released from the hospital except 2.

Thugs have been looting at Mondawmin Mall.  In response, 2 suburban malls have closed.

[Deleted]

No surprise.  I am from Baltimore and I called this outcome as soon as the the outrage over the death started.  Some people care about injustice, but others just want to steal and burn stuff.

ETA

At least my sister was let out of work early to get out of the city.

[Peace77]

Progress:  New Shiloh Baptist Church (where Freddie Grey's funeral was held this morning) is this evening holding talks between community clergymen and members of 3 gangs: Bloods, Crips and BGF.

[EVT1]

I wonder how the ratio of good cops/bad cops fares with lawful protestors/criminals?  About the same I would guess.

I understand the clergy wanting to make peace- but dealing with gangs is akin to dealing with terrorists.

BTW any unarmed police have their spine severed amidst the chaos? 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 27, 2015 18:02:42 GMT -5 kent said:

Maybe if the plan of the day was "Looters will be shot." this BS would stop in a hurry.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police-seven-officers-injured-one-unresponsive-in-baltimore-riot/ar-BBiK3jU

Baltimore Police Captain Eric Kowalczyk said at a briefing that one of the injured police officers was unresponsive and several had broken bones.

Earlier, police urged officers to take steps to ensure their safety after they reported receiving a "credible threat" of attacks on law enforcement.

Nothing stated by the MSN piece related to an agenda aimed at attacking police but the following elaborates:

www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/27/gangs-vow-to-target-police-as-baltiomore-protests-spread/

"It's a group of lawless individuals," Kowalczyk said of the rioters. "What we know is that they are a group of criminals with no regard for the people in the community."

A police source told Fox News several gangs, including Black Gorilla Family, Bloods and Crips all had “entered into a partnership to take out law enforcement officers.”

Activists from the Nation of Islam claimed responsibility for bringing the gangs together, telling reporters that they brokered a deal between the hated foes.

“I can say with honesty those brothers demonstrated they can be united for a common good,” Nation of Islam minister Carlos Muhammad told The Daily Beast. “At the rally, they made the call that they must be united on that day. It should be commended.”

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I will tell you the serious wrongs that are going to come out of this (these events always play into the hands of statists):

1.  It will be used to mute the argument that perhaps our local police departments do not need to be outfitted like counter-revolutionary government forces in the third world.  In other words: maybe the police DO need all that tactical gear after all.

2. It will desensitize the public to police violence against civilians.  A good half the population (at least) already assumes that if someone is killed by the police they must have done "something" to "deserve it".

Not good. Not good at all.  Nice job, assholes.

[weltschmerz]

Apr 27, 2015 19:52:07 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Apr 27, 2015 19:50:32 GMT -5 Malarky said:

     

Whatever happened to our justice system?  Investigations and innocent until proven guilty and all that important stuff?  

It is the best system in the world, but it is flawed and not perfect.

Is it? What makes it the "best justice system in the world"? What makes it better than others?

When cops summarily execute people in the street, it's not that great a system.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 27, 2015 21:31:11 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Apr 27, 2015 18:02:42 GMT -5 kent said:

Maybe if the plan of the day was "Looters will be shot." this BS would stop in a hurry.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police-seven-officers-injured-one-unresponsive-in-baltimore-riot/ar-BBiK3jU

Baltimore Police Captain Eric Kowalczyk said at a briefing that one of the injured police officers was unresponsive and several had broken bones.

Earlier, police urged officers to take steps to ensure their safety after they reported receiving a "credible threat" of attacks on law enforcement.

Nothing stated by the MSN piece related to an agenda aimed at attacking police but the following elaborates:

www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/27/gangs-vow-to-target-police-as-baltiomore-protests-spread/

EDIT 8/10/2011- The Korean noticed that this post gets linked out on various message boards every time there is a riot somewhere -- at this time, with respect to the London riot. The link is usually accompanies a statement like how Korean Americans were able to protect themselves with guns during the 1992 LA riot. The Korean will remind you that having guns did not prevent Korean Americans from suffering the heaviest damage as a group in the course of the riot. The Korean's own view of proper gun control is here. The Korean's more detailed view on guns and riot is here.    

Ask a Korean! News: Picture from 1992 LA Riot

[weltschmerz]

Maybe if the plan of the day was "Looters will be shot." this BS would stop in a hurry.

Maybe if the plan of the day was "Let's not kill every black man we arrest", this BS would stop in a hurry.

[Phoenix84]

I can understand why people are upset, but there's a difference between being upset and "I'm going to go loot that store and set it on fire." Those two things don't seem compatible.

I get angry and upset at the world sometimes too, but I have the self control and discipline to not channel that anger into violence.

Those that do are like animals.

[Phoenix84]

Apr 27, 2015 18:56:42 GMT -5 Blonde Granny said:

Many many years ago there was rioting in E. St. Louis. Eventually the police just left the area and let the people doing the rioting demolish the town. AFAIK, it has really never been rebuilt.

Perhaps it's time for that same tactic now. Send the police home for their own safety and let those doing the damage destroy everything in their path.  Then, don't bother to rebuild the city.

Yeah, let them destroy their own communities and let them wallow in the rubble.

[Phoenix84]

Apr 27, 2015 19:50:32 GMT -5 Malarky said:

I've been watching this unfold for most of the day.  It's sickening.

I do not condone police brutality and officers who indulge should be punished.  This type of response is uncalled for.  

Whatever happened to our justice system?  Investigations and innocent until proven guilty and all that important stuff?  

How looting and destroying businesses and wreaking havoc on entire neighborhoods promotes their cause or satisfies their sense of justice is beyond me.  

I agree, people these days seem to forget the basic tenants of criminal law. The accused is entitled to investigations, presumption of innocence, the due process of law, and innocence until proven guilty.

What do these people expect? Hang the accused in the streets?

[weltschmerz]

Apr 27, 2015 22:21:15 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I can understand why people are upset, but there's a difference between being upset and "I'm going to go loot that store and set it on fire." Those two things don't seem compatible.

I get angry and upset at the world sometimes too, but I have the self control and discipline to not channel that anger into violence.

Those that do are like animals.

I don't agree with the destruction, but I don't blame them for being angry. It just keeps getting worse and worse.  Of course they're angry. A crazy white guy wearing pyjamas and waving a loaded gun around in the streets, threatening people, gets a talking to by police.

A young black father picks up a BB gun for sale at Walmart and is immediately shot dead.

It has to stop.

[kent]

Apr 27, 2015 22:03:59 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Maybe if the plan of the day was "Looters will be shot." this BS would stop in a hurry.

Maybe if the plan of the day was "Let's not kill every black man we arrest", this BS would stop in a hurry.

So, you are inferring there's a plan to kill every black man the police arrest? Wow!  I didn't know that.

You'll excuse me if I say that statement and the thought behind it is utter nonsense (aka BS).

[Phoenix84]

Apr 27, 2015 22:35:33 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Apr 27, 2015 22:21:15 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I can understand why people are upset, but there's a difference between being upset and "I'm going to go loot that store and set it on fire." Those two things don't seem compatible.

I get angry and upset at the world sometimes too, but I have the self control and discipline to not channel that anger into violence.

Those that do are like animals.

I don't agree with the destruction, but I don't blame them for being angry. It just keeps getting worse and worse.  Of course they're angry. A crazy white guy wearing pyjamas and waving a loaded gun around in the streets, threatening people, gets a talking to by police.

A young black father picks up a BB gun for sale at Walmart and is immediately shot dead.

It has to stop.

What are your sources for this statement?  I'm not aware of any specific cases.  I'd like to read about them before commenting further.

[weltschmerz]

Apr 27, 2015 22:39:34 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

Apr 27, 2015 22:35:33 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I don't agree with the destruction, but I don't blame them for being angry. It just keeps getting worse and worse.  Of course they're angry. A crazy white guy wearing pyjamas and waving a loaded gun around in the streets, threatening people, gets a talking to by police.

A young black father picks up a BB gun for sale at Walmart and is immediately shot dead.

It has to stop.

What are your sources for this statement?  I'm not aware of any specific cases.  I'd like to read about them before commenting further.

No problem.

www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/09/1350348/-911-Caller-There-s-a-Man-with-a-Gun-so-naturally-Police-sit-down-with-him-and-Talk

www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cops-shoot-and-kill-man-holding-toy-gun-walmart

[ken a.k.a OMK]

I grew up in Baltimore and don't live that far away now. Let's put today's events in perspective.

A high school let out and about 100 students looted a mall, then ran around town looting other stores and burning  a CVS store. So when they get home tonight at 10 pm will their parents ask where they got the new Playstation? The problem starts at home.

Other thugs, and they were properly called that by the mayor, governor and police chief, took advantage of the situation and looted stores.
I remember the 1968 riots. I know that for decades many have fought for equality. These thugs set race relations back decades. Try getting into college or having a good job with a criminal record. The police used great restraint. 17 injured and 2 still in the hospital. People drove to the mall in nice cars and stole as much as they could carry while being told they were being caught on police video.

On a positive note local religious leaders marched to stop some of the looting and met tonight to plan activities tomorrow. Now we have a state of emergency and the National Guard. 10 pm curfew tomorrow.

The businesses that were burned may not return.  The local stores may not be able to reopen. So much for job opportunities. I'm sure they will blame someone other then themselves.

[billisonboard]

Apr 27, 2015 22:25:11 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

... I agree, people these days seem to forget the basic tenants of criminal law. The accused is entitled to investigations, presumption of innocence, the due process of law, and innocence until proven guilty. ...

A group of guys grab someone off the street, toss him in the back of a van, deliver him within an hour to a hospital with serious trauma from which the guy dies and an autopsy indicates the guy's neck is 80% severed. Tell me that the police wouldn't see probable cause to arrest and hold the guys who did that.

[wvugurl26]

I feel badly for the businesses destroyed by this. Baltimore PD has major problems but I don't see how burning stuff down, robbing stores, attacking police, and destroying property fixes that. I think it negatively influences future interactions of the police out there now.

I was listening to the radio this morning and I lost count of the blocks shut down for fire activity. They've had to bring in trucks from outside the city. Last night they were cutting fire department hoses. That kind of behavior is inexcusable and jeopardizes everyone.

Wonder if Angelos still thinks they are justified.

[whoisjohngalt]

I worked in Baltimore City for over a decade.  There are some nice/safe streets but majority of it is G-d's forsaken land.

When I was doing RE investing, I drove around some of those neighborhoods - and one thing was VERY clear - people who lived there didn't care about themselves or their community.

So, I am not surprised at all that they don't care if the whole thing burns to the ground.  They will just move "down the road".

I second the Blonde Granny's suggestions - I think any civilized person and all the cops should just leave the area and let thugs at it.

I do know that there were efforts to revive that area, but 15 yrs later it just doesn't seem like anything works.