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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 9, 2015 13:00:14 GMT -5
Perhaps the lawyer determined that he would not be able to meet that ethical standard if he continued to represent the guy so stepped down. Maybe they should be forced to represent anyone who wants their service? Publics defenders usually take the cases they are assigned whether they like the case/person or not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 13:02:12 GMT -5
Maybe they should be forced to represent anyone who wants their service? Publics defenders usually take the cases they are assigned whether they like the case/person or not. What about attorneys that are not public defenders?
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 9, 2015 13:03:10 GMT -5
Publics defenders usually take the cases they are assigned whether they like the case/person or not. What about attorneys that are not public defenders? What about them? Elaborate.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 9, 2015 13:29:11 GMT -5
Maybe they should be forced to represent anyone who wants their service? I would guess that he lied to his attorney and that is why he dropped him. But that is just a guess If I was his attorney, this is why I would have dropped him. It might also have been an attorney employed by the police union, who was assigned to him when the guy claimed this was a justifiable homicide. I can see how the union would not want to support a police officer who was revealed to be a liar and a murderer.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 9, 2015 17:37:31 GMT -5
Just saw the dash-cam video. The guy was driving a Mercedes, but couldn't pay child support?
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 9, 2015 17:51:35 GMT -5
Are you calling Wilson a sociopath? He was found to have been honest in his statements about the incident by every investigative body. The same cannot be said for his accusers. No I am not- I am referring to officer we are discussing- thought it was clear what I was saying. And not to rehash the Wilson story- but that story is far from clear unlike this one. Thanks, I mistook your statement when you said sociopath, and mentioned Wilson in the next sentence. After reading it again, I understand.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 9, 2015 17:52:51 GMT -5
Just saw the dash-cam video. The guy was driving a Mercedes, but couldn't pay child support? Summary execution offense here in the states
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 9, 2015 17:54:05 GMT -5
Just saw the dash-cam video. The guy was driving a Mercedes, but couldn't pay child support? Now let's not make any silly rightwing conservative stereotypical assumptions here.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 9, 2015 18:00:00 GMT -5
Just saw the dash-cam video. The guy was driving a Mercedes, but couldn't pay child support? Summary execution offense here in the states I didn't say it was right. I just thought it was odd.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 18:01:05 GMT -5
Just saw the dash-cam video. The guy was driving a Mercedes, but couldn't pay child support? I have a serious problem with people that don't take care of their children. As strongly as I feel about people taking care of their children, I have an even bigger problem with how this man died whether he paid his child support or not.
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Post by Shooby on Apr 9, 2015 18:24:30 GMT -5
Just saw the dash-cam video. The guy was driving a Mercedes, but couldn't pay child support? So he deserves the death penalty?
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 9, 2015 18:40:42 GMT -5
Just saw the dash-cam video. The guy was driving a Mercedes, but couldn't pay child support? So he deserves the death penalty? Did I say that? If I did, I must have missed it...kindly point it out.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 9, 2015 20:27:29 GMT -5
Just saw the dash-cam video. The guy was driving a Mercedes, but couldn't pay child support? That was a strange traffic stop, in the fact, it was so darn ordinary. Policeman was calm, and I thought polite, and non confrontational, talked to the driver, told him why he was stopped, and asked for his license. Hard to hear what the driver said, but no yelling or anything from either person. Even when the driver got out of his car, the officer just told him to stay in the car, which the driver complied with. So ordinary.............so every day happening......... What creates such a dysfunctional response?
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Post by b2r on Apr 9, 2015 23:52:06 GMT -5
Your brake light is out, not, your lens is shattered. He grabbed my taser...gunshot wounds to the chest?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 10, 2015 1:36:28 GMT -5
question, b2r:
is it OK to tase an unarmed civilian running away from a fixit ticket, then unload 8 rounds into him?
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 10, 2015 7:29:02 GMT -5
Just saw the dash-cam video. The guy was driving a Mercedes, but couldn't pay child support? Some people will go to great lengths to avoid paying it. DH sees a lot of that at court. Surprising number of people who work under the table to avoid earning money that can be garnished. Some of the excuses: It's not my fault we got divorced, she wanted to be divorced now she can raise the kids on her own. I don't think those are really my kids but I can't afford a DNA test. I can't afford to pay child support to that woman because I have two new kids with a different woman. I don't think the courts are fair in determining how much child support I owe. My wife has way more money than I do because she married a rich guy, so she doesn't need my child support. And one of the most popular: My wife won't let me see my kids so I don't think I should have to pay support for them. If it was me, I would pay it just to avoid being terrified every time I think a cop is going to pull me over, especially in a state where they put you in jail for failure to pay, but for a lot of people, they are apparently willing to gamble.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 10, 2015 8:04:48 GMT -5
question, b2r: is it OK to tase an unarmed civilian running away from a fixit ticket, then unload 8 rounds into him? I don't think there is any video to answer that question.
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Post by Shooby on Apr 10, 2015 9:13:43 GMT -5
So he deserves the death penalty? Did I say that? If I did, I must have missed it...kindly point it out. He didn't own it. He was looking to buy it.
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Post by Opti on Apr 10, 2015 9:42:14 GMT -5
Correct, assuming the light bulb was even out before the stop. He probably did get profiled because of the Mercedes badge and possibly his skin color. Most people are oblivious to the difference of a luxury car make that is old and worth say $5K and one that is worth $30K or more.
He definitely shouldn't have been shot and killed over the child support thing. Maybe the cop can be fined all the child support income that would have been received until the kids age out. Unfortunately his former vehicle "an old crappy van" probably kept him under the radar for most cops.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 10, 2015 10:39:26 GMT -5
question, b2r: is it OK to tase an unarmed civilian running away from a fixit ticket, then unload 8 rounds into him? I don't think there is any video to answer that question. i am just going by what i HAVE seen, and what b2r posted. i guess the question i am really asking is whether the video he posted changes ANYTHING for him.
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Post by b2r on Apr 10, 2015 11:58:29 GMT -5
question, b2r: is it OK to tase an unarmed civilian running away from a fixit ticket, then unload 8 rounds into him? Tase, yes...execute, no. The additional information is just that.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 10, 2015 12:04:07 GMT -5
Just saw the dash-cam video. The guy was driving a Mercedes, but couldn't pay child support? Some people will go to great lengths to avoid paying it. DH sees a lot of that at court. Surprising number of people who work under the table to avoid earning money that can be garnished. Some of the excuses: It's not my fault we got divorced, she wanted to be divorced now she can raise the kids on her own. I don't think those are really my kids but I can't afford a DNA test. I can't afford to pay child support to that woman because I have two new kids with a different woman. I don't think the courts are fair in determining how much child support I owe. My wife has way more money than I do because she married a rich guy, so she doesn't need my child support. And one of the most popular: My wife won't let me see my kids so I don't think I should have to pay support for them. If it was me, I would pay it just to avoid being terrified every time I think a cop is going to pull me over, especially in a state where they put you in jail for failure to pay, but for a lot of people, they are apparently willing to gamble. I don't have a lot of compassion for deadbeat dads, because my son's father was a deadbeat dad. No child support, ever. Not a nickel. I can't even tell you how much I struggled and how we had to do without. It was brutal. That being said, I don't think people should be shot over it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 12:10:41 GMT -5
question, b2r: is it OK to tase an unarmed civilian running away from a fixit ticket, then unload 8 rounds into him? This partial cut/paste from an AP article might shed some light. <<<What's missing is what happens from the time the two men run out of the frame of dashboard video to the time picked up in a bystander's cellphone video a few hundred yards away. The cellphone footage starts with Scott getting to his feet and running away, then Slager firing eight shots at the man's back. "It is possible for something to happen in that gap to significantly raise the officer's perception of risk," said Seth Stoughton, a former police officer and criminal law professor at the University of South Carolina>>> It's linked from MSN's homepage.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 10, 2015 12:58:33 GMT -5
I am trying to think of what kind of scenario would pose risk for a police officer when an unarmed man runs away from him.
He shot the guy in the back. The unarmed guy. In the back.
Did the think the guy would run around the corner to where he kept his machine gun stashed, then run back and kill him?
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 10, 2015 15:30:49 GMT -5
I am trying to think of what kind of scenario would pose risk for a police officer when an unarmed man runs away from him. He shot the guy in the back. The unarmed guy. In the back. Did the think the guy would run around the corner to where he kept his machine gun stashed, then run back and kill him? To be clear, the officer did not begin firing his weapon until the fleeing man was a good 15-20 feet away from him. How was the officer in any danger at that point? If the man turned around and started back toward him, I could see the officer firing his weapon.
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Apr 10, 2015 16:40:50 GMT -5
IMHO given what has been happening around the country I think screening and testing, especially psychological, should be reviewed and changes made for all law enforcement.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 10, 2015 16:47:10 GMT -5
Another disturbing video. Over kill on the beating? What appears to be a kick to the nuts (and other blows) while the man is lying on his stomach with his hands behind his back? 'Disturbing' video shows deputies beating man after horse pursuitA group of San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies are seen in a video shot Thursday repeatedly kicking and punching a suspect at the end of a bizarre horseback pursuit in a scene the county's sheriff described as "disturbing." A KNBC Channel 4 helicopter captured the chase, which appears to show the deputies striking the man, identified as 30-year-old Francis Pusok, even after he was on the ground with his hands held behind his back. "It is disturbing and it appears on its face that there are violations of policy, but that will ultimately be determined in the investigation and to what degree," said Sheriff John McMahon. He said he has ordered an internal investigation into the pursuit and a separate criminal investigation into Pusok's actions and those of the deputies involved in subduing him. Full story below: 'Disturbing' video shows deputies beating man after horse pursuit
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Post by jkapp on Apr 10, 2015 18:35:27 GMT -5
I think people need to watch Chris Rock's PSA on police brutality again...apparently its been too long:
Chris Rock - How not to get your ass beat (or shot) by cops
But, anyway, here are the issues I have with this incident:
1) it was a traffic stop, yet the altercation was in a park. So, obviously, something happened that was more than just a mere traffic stop.
2) there was obviously an altercation happening prior to the cop pulling his gun...why is the media showing the shooting but not any prior part of the confrontation?
3) I saw one video from the squad car that shows when the victim was pulled over, he immediately jumped out of his car and ran away...WHY?? That sends a bit of a red flag to a police officer that you're possibly a criminal.
4) Why do people keep f'ing resisting arrest? When has resisting arrest ever ended in favor of the person being arrested?
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