The Walking Dead - SPOILERS

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Oct 24, 2016 9:18:46 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I wasn't as horrified as I thought I would be.   I think that is partially to do with the fact that I've had several months already to process what was going to happen.   I was ready for it unlike when I watched the season finale.

Other parts of the episode were gut twisters but the big reveal didn't have the impact I thought it would at least for me.

Good to know! Maybe I'll give it a few weeks so I can marathon and hopefully have some happier moments too.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

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It wasn't like Hershel's beheading where I did not see that coming AT ALL. That was way worse for me than last night's episode.

Fair warning it was brutally graphic.  

The anticipation leading up to the death was worse than watching it on TV for me.   Once they did reveal who it was it was kinda a letdown because we'd already talked about it and visualized it so much already.   

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It was horrible to watch for me.

If it stays that horrible I will have to quit and find something lighter to do on Sun. nights.

[rob base]

I am definitely not watching anymore. They lost me after this one. I turned it off 45 minutes into the episode.

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Awesome episode! i don't get the outcry on the violence, are people supposed to die in their sleep in a zombie show where all Government has fallen? Either you are getting eaten or murdered by a sadistic dictator.

Abraham was my favorite character, but I love how the show isn't afraid to take out fan favorites.

If you look past the violence, Rick who has been top alpha dog for so long was made someone's b word in less than a day. I thought Jeffrey Dean Morgan hit the portrayal of the sadistic Negan out of the park. He makes The Governor who I also liked appear to be a saint.

[rob base]

Oct 24, 2016 12:48:15 GMT -5 @aj said:

Awesome episode! i don't get the outcry on the violence, are people supposed to die in their sleep in a zombie show where all Government has fallen? Either you are getting eaten or murdered by a sadistic dictator.

Abraham was my favorite character, but I love how the show isn't afraid to take out fan favorites.

If you look past the violence, Rick who has been top alpha dog for so long was made someone's b word in less than a day. I thought Jeffrey Dean Morgan hit the portrayal of the sadistic Negan out of the park. He makes The Governor who I also liked appear to be a saint.

Here is the thing. Up to now they took a gory but interesting comic book and sissi-fied it and put in on TV. IF U read the comic and know what really went down with Governor & Michonne u know what I mean.

Now all of a sudden out of the blue they go from sissified to gory-fied on steroids. And they DRAGGED IT THE HECK OUT. It was grosser & gorier than the comics and longer. U can't just jump from sissified to that.

I could take it at first they had to tone things down for TV. But I guess with ratings Kirkman's got them by the cajones now and can do what he wants. I can too. Not watching. Especially after all the stupid parts I have sat through.

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Oct 24, 2016 13:18:34 GMT -5 rob base said:

Oct 24, 2016 12:48:15 GMT -5 @aj said:

Awesome episode! i don't get the outcry on the violence, are people supposed to die in their sleep in a zombie show where all Government has fallen? Either you are getting eaten or murdered by a sadistic dictator.

Abraham was my favorite character, but I love how the show isn't afraid to take out fan favorites.

If you look past the violence, Rick who has been top alpha dog for so long was made someone's b word in less than a day. I thought Jeffrey Dean Morgan hit the portrayal of the sadistic Negan out of the park. He makes The Governor who I also liked appear to be a saint.

Here is the thing. Up to now they took a gory but interesting comic book and sissi-fied it and put in on TV. IF U read the comic and know what really went down with Governor & Michonne u know what I mean.

Now all of a sudden out of the blue they go from sissified to gory-fied on steroids. And they DRAGGED IT THE HECK OUT. It was grosser & gorier than the comics and longer. U can't just jump from sissified to that.

I could take it at first they had to tone things down for TV. But I guess with ratings Kirkman's got them by the cajones now and can do what he wants. I can too. Not watching. Especially after all the stupid parts I have sat through.

Yup, I agree with the being sisified up to this point vs the comic. I think some fans finally got the show they wanted though, if you are a fan of the 2004 Dawn of The Dead the first episode of this season was a treat. I think dragging it out added to the suspense. At least it isn't another full season of Herschels farm, that season almost lost me.

I stopped watching Fear The Walking Dead, what a great premise wasted.

[rob base]

I agree on Fear The Walking Dead....I made it to about 4 or 5 episodes and was like......No

Yes Herschels farm was stoopid and wayyyy too long.....I never understood how they were "protected" by living on a farm either......the whole baby thing is stoopid too.....and the crap they did with Glenn last season.....to name a few

Oh well, thanks for the memories Walking Dead TV show.............

[ZaireinHD]

Season 7 episode 1
LOVED IT
AMAZING
GORY EXCITEMENT!!

not so sure it was worth the wait -- but I did enjoy!
HEY - I just noticed Abraham and Eugene talk in riddles or code!
it was annoying to hear them talking!
LOL
 

[ZaireinHD]

Oct 24, 2016 13:18:34 GMT -5 rob base said:

Here is the thing. Up to now they took a gory but interesting comic book and sissi-fied it and put in on TV. IF U read the comic and know what really went down with Governor & Michonne u know what I mean.

Now all of a sudden out of the blue they go from sissified to gory-fied on steroids. And they DRAGGED IT THE HECK OUT. It was grosser & gorier than the comics and longer. U can't just jump from sissified to that.

I could take it at first they had to tone things down for TV. But I guess with ratings Kirkman's got them by the cajones now and can do what he wants. I can too. Not watching. Especially after all the stupid parts I have sat through.

Sorry to see you go!
though I am sure you will come back - LOL

but now that you have explained your reason - I can understand that.
comparison to the original and looking at what they put together can be frustrating
Like putting Michael Keaton playing Batman!

[rob base]

Oct 24, 2016 17:50:58 GMT -5 ZaireinHD said:

Oct 24, 2016 13:18:34 GMT -5 rob base said:

Here is the thing. Up to now they took a gory but interesting comic book and sissi-fied it and put in on TV. IF U read the comic and know what really went down with Governor & Michonne u know what I mean.

Now all of a sudden out of the blue they go from sissified to gory-fied on steroids. And they DRAGGED IT THE HECK OUT. It was grosser & gorier than the comics and longer. U can't just jump from sissified to that.

I could take it at first they had to tone things down for TV. But I guess with ratings Kirkman's got them by the cajones now and can do what he wants. I can too. Not watching. Especially after all the stupid parts I have sat through.

Sorry to see you go!
though I am sure you will come back - LOL

but now that you have explained your reason - I can understand that.
comparison to the original and looking at what they put together can be frustrating
Like putting Michael Keaton playing Batman!

Also they jumped from PG13 to X-rated gore (and the extended version to boot) WAYYYY too fast

[movingforward]

Well, I cried even though I wasn't shocked by who died.  Then I really did believe Rick was going to have to chop Carl's arm off .  That was the most gut wrenching part for me. 

I thought the episode was well done.  Negan's character is supposed to be absolutely horrible so everyone knew it was going to be an extremely dark and violent episode.  No shocker in that respect.  His whole goal was to break Rick.  He wasn't going to do that by sitting around playing poker with him. 

And as much as I hate Negan's character the actor who plays him is freaking awesome and mega hot

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Then I really did believe Rick was going to have to chop Carl's arm off . That was the most cut wrenching part for me.



DH said he didn't like how the writers toyed with viewers.  He said we had to put up with multiple "Is Glenn going to die?" moments last season and making us think he was going to stick around only to beat his brains in.

He is not angry that Glenn is dead he accepts it is pivotal to the plot if they are going to start sticking more to the graphic novels.   He said what he doesn't appreciate was the constant "will he/won't he?" moments that were drug out thru the entire last season.    He said they could have easily skipped all that and Glenn's death still would have had a major impact on the audience.

[lexxy703]

Oct 25, 2016 9:51:07 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Then I really did believe Rick was going to have to chop Carl's arm off . That was the most cut wrenching part for me.



DH said he didn't like how the writers toyed with viewers.  He said we had to put up with multiple "Is Glenn going to die?" moments last season and making us think he was going to stick around only to beat his brains in.

He is not angry that Glenn is dead he accepts it is pivotal to the plot if they are going to start sticking more to the graphic novels.   He said what he doesn't appreciate was the constant "will he/won't he?" moments that were drug out thru the entire last season.    He said they could have easily skipped all that and Glenn's death still would have had a major impact on the audience.

I totally agree. That whole dumpster disaster was a waste of filming especially since they offed him in the first episode of this season. I agree it is pivotal. I also think it would have been more of a shocker if they hadn't done what they did with him last season.

I thought both Rick & Maggie (the actors) did a phenomenal job this episode. You could see them both breaking down.

But I had two moments that I had to rewind because I couldn't understand the dialogue & even on rewind wasn't sure. Did Maggie say they needed to cook dead Glenn? And what did Sasha say to Rosita about taking Abe?

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I watched The Talking Dead where they had a lot of the actors and producers talking about the first episode and how we will remember TWD before Negan and after Negan, seems it absolutely is their intention to take the show a down a different path. Cudlitz said Kirkman didn't like the way he finished off Abraham in the comic and wanted to give him a more meaningful death in the TV show.



Morgan jokingly talked smack to Reedus about Daryl causing Abrahams death, it was hilarious.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I also think it would have been more of a shocker if they hadn't done what they did with him last season.

Agree.  i can see what the writers were trying to get at with the multiple "will he/won't he" death sequences but that's not how it turned out, at least in my opinion.   It did nothing to build suspense/shock for me when Neegan finally did kill him, all it did was make me think "Why the hell did I have to watch all those episodes if they were going to bump him off anyhow?"

Which appears to be how a lot of people on boards DH frequents feel as well.

They should have skipped all that.   Glenn's death was already foreshadowed in the barn scene right before Aaron shows up.   Glenn picks up a bat that is wrapped in barb wire.    If they had left it at that it would have made Sunday a lot more intense.  Only people who have read the novels would have caught the Easter Egg.

[movingforward]

Yeah, the dumpster disaster was annoying.  It was almost like they wanted to soften the blow of Glenn's death.  He had so many close calls that everyone kind of assumed he was going to die eventually.  It would have had way more impact had they not done all the other stuff throughout the season. 

I kind of liked that they didn't go strictly by the graphic novels, though others I know have expressed they don't like the fact they haven't been.  I will never read the graphic novels so it doesn't matter much to me other than the fact that information seems to get leaked much easier.  Now I will have to tell people not to talk to me about the graphic novels whereas before I didn't mind them telling me stuff. 

The only thing I heard Maggie say was they need to fight.  I missed what she said about Glenn's body.  Not sure about all the exchanges between Sasha and Rosita either. 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I was reading random stuff on the internet and came across one that was "How we knew Glenn was going to die".   Apparently baseball bats made several important appearances in Season 6.

I know he was second in line to have his brains based in at Terminus with a bat and I caught the bat in the barn (only because DH pointed it out) but I missed the rest of them.

In other news we were watching the "pudding" episode the one right and when Carl shuts the door on the zombie the name on the bedroom door said "Sam".   Symbolism?

[movingforward]

I am not too good at catching symbolism.  I used to specifically look for it when I watched LOST because I knew there was a lot, but I don't do that with most shows. 

My plan is to go back and watch all the seasons of TWD after season 7 ends.  I have even thought about holding off on season 7 (since I now know who died) and watch them all prior to finishing up the current season. 

[lexxy703]

I mostly miss the symbolism too. I didn't even notice the bats last season that Drama mentioned.

[megaptera]

Who watched last night? My reaction was the same as Carol's when we were introduced to King Zeke.

He seems pretty interesting.

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I like that he was able to see through Carol's "innocent act."

[rob base]

Not watching, boycotting.....

[movingforward]

Oct 31, 2016 11:34:32 GMT -5 megaptera said:

Who watched last night? My reaction was the same as Carol's when we were introduced to King Zeke.

He seems pretty interesting.

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I like that he was able to see through Carol's "innocent act."

My reaction was the same as Carol's too.  I chuckled quite a bit during this episode, which I needed after last week. 

I liked that Zeke opened up to Carol, and that the writers let the audience in on some of his background and the part he is playing.  So far I am really enjoying his character.  He seems to be genuine in the fact that he is trying to bring some sort of hope and leadership to people in this very grim/depressing new world. 

I loved what he did with the pigs before giving them to The Saviors. 

[lexxy703]

I totally love King Zeke now that he told his backstory.  I hope he really is a good & decent guy & doesn't turn into a villain.  

I had completely forgotten this arc with Carol & Morgan. I thought she was still back in Alexandria baking cookies.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Anyone else watch the last two episodes?

Whose side do you fall on when it comes to Saviors?  Fight or play by the rules?

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The Judith revelation was not a huge bombshell for me though it was for DH. I said doing the mental math based on the timeline of the show it was highly unlikely Rick is her father. Possible but unlikely.

 

[rob base]

Spoilers

[lexxy703]

Nov 14, 2016 17:16:13 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Anyone else watch the last two episodes?

Whose side do you fall on when it comes to Saviors?  Fight or play by the rules?

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The Judith revelation was not a huge bombshell for me though it was for DH. I said doing the mental math based on the timeline of the show it was highly unlikely Rick is her father. Possible but unlikely.

 

I think for now they need to bide their time. There will be a time to fight. Just not yet without the nembers. I didn't watch last night's episode yet so I am commenting on last week's. I mentally went off on a tangent about how it would have played out if Carl shot Neegan. Would the Saviors hold together without a leader? Would the guy with the burned face step up as leader? Would they destroy themselves from the inside?

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I think of Neegan like a cult.  If Neegan were gone I do not think they would hold together.   I believe the only reason his Betas are being kept in line is they know he'd take them out.   If Neegan were gone they would destroy each other trying to become the new alpha.

[lexxy703]

That is what I think too. Too bad Carl didn't shoot him when he had the chance.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I don't think taking Neegan out would solve anything fast enough to save Alexandria.   The Saviors have sheer numbers on their side, retaliating over the death of their leader would be enough to wipe Alexandria off the map.