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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 20:23:53 GMT -5
Most of the pastor's wives I know 'work' at/for the church as well, quite a bit, and don't get 'paid' for it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 11, 2015 20:34:37 GMT -5
When the woman gave very little to the temple Jesus commented that she gave the most of all! This woman was poor and she gave from the heart. Not for show. Preachers try to use this scripture to make others feel obligated and give until it leaves them homeless! Shame on them! tNo where will you find a scripture that commands people to give money to the church and feed the preacher and lose your own home! In fact, there are many scriptures that speak contrary to this type of religion. For instance, Jesus overthrew the tables at the synagogue because of them making money off the poor! There are scriptures that say 'you received freely, give freely' meaning the knowledge of the bible and the 'calling.' NO one should have to go to college to learn the bible! That's another money making business!
I repeat: Receiving the word of God and attending church is NOT SUPPOSE to be a money making business! I continue to stand by my comment made earlier. Cran, many people would rather go to a pastor than a doctor. I would imagine that their college education involves quite a bit of psychology. You don't learn that from a bible.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jan 12, 2015 8:43:11 GMT -5
A church can both be a place of worship for everyone, rich or not, and yet still take in just enough money to pay the bills.
Unless a group is going to camp out every Sunday they are going to need at least some services like a small building and electric and phones. Some churches have full time paid pastors while others have part time volunteers. Either way everyone wo is a member should be donating what they can to ensure that the church continues to be a church for everyone.
I grew up RC. We had two baskets. The first was for the individual church and a small percent went to the Diocese. The second basket was always for a charity. It could be a local food bank or whatever but it was always announced in mass so you could choose to donate to that or not.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 12, 2015 8:50:07 GMT -5
The minister at my old church was paid pretty well. He also had free housing and a housing allowance. Still, his wife worked as a teacher. Not a very good one, I might add, but she worked. That gave them better health insurance and another paycheck. Her check was totally saved and geared for a house for them when retirement came because she said she saw too many cases of ministers not having any house when they retired. Maybe in the old days when women didn't work outside the home, ministers wives worked for free for the church but this one never did. Props to her!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 8:54:04 GMT -5
Well, most of the pastors wives I know also homeschool. Just my personal experience.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 12, 2015 8:56:00 GMT -5
Ôur rabbi is very well paid. The place where you get rabbis is very careful to only let X amount in because that drives up the demand and the cost for them. You are forced, as a temple, to contribute a LOT of money to this organization that controls the rabbi population. That being said, he works his butt off. I wouldn't be a rabbi to that Bunch of whiners for twice his salary!! But every one gives according to what they can afford and if you cannot afford, you are still welcome. They will even bury you for free including plot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 9:27:29 GMT -5
That being said, he works his butt off. I wouldn't be a rabbi to that Bunch of whiners for twice his salary!! I know- a few times I've floated around the idea of being a priest (heady stuff when you were raised in a religion where the priesthood was, and still is, all-male) and I always stumble on the idea of having to be kind and understanding to a VERY wide variety of people. Many people expect clergy to be perfect at everything (including finance, building maintenance and other things they probably didn't learn in seminary) and they're human, just like the rest of us.
My denomination tends to get a lot of second-vocation priests, so they may have financial stability from a previous job (surprising number of ex-lawyers, our Presiding Bishop was an oceanographer). Others have spouses with pensions or a healthy salary. I remember the Bishop of VT saying years ago that when priests came into her Diocese, she asked them what else they'd be doing for a living because typically they couldn't make a decent living just as a priest. (And one priest I know who was based in VT said that her financially-challenged parish would gripe at every vestry meeting that her salary was killing their budget, even though the priest tithed and her pledge was the highest in the congregation.)
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Post by 973beachbum on Jan 12, 2015 10:29:19 GMT -5
Well, most of the pastors wives I know also homeschool. Just my personal experience. How do you know them? I ask because if you met them from the homeschool group it is probably why you have this experience IMO. Of the hundred or so clergy we know, none have home schooled, and only one spouse didnt work a regular job for a paycheck and benefits.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 10:46:08 GMT -5
Yes, exactly, because I homeschool and know them through those channels, that is probably skewing my personal experiences.
Our group currently has 3 pastors wives and has had several more through the years (they do tend to move... We also get a lot of wives of doctor residents and prison personnel moving through, but that's a different tangent, lol)
eta. One of the pastors wives does do an MlM type business.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jan 12, 2015 10:56:01 GMT -5
Yes, exactly, because I homeschool and know them through those channels, that is probably skewing my personal experiences. Our group currently has 3 pastors wives and has had several more through the years (they do tend to move... We also get a lot of wives of doctor residents and prison personnel moving through, but that's a different tangent, lol) The only people who homeschool around here are people with religions that are less than mainstream if you get my drift. From what I read here I think our public schools are fantastic so homeschooling isn't that common for most people outside of religious reasons.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jan 12, 2015 12:15:17 GMT -5
I don't tithe. Tithing is an Old Testament custom. Instead, I give what's on my heart to give.
If did tithe, I would do 10% of net income. It would be adjusted to reflect any changes in income.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jan 12, 2015 12:31:58 GMT -5
Yes, the pledge can be important because that's how churches manage their finances. But any type of church I would consider would understand if you need to cut back due to unforeseen circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 12:59:57 GMT -5
Yes, exactly, because I homeschool and know them through those channels, that is probably skewing my personal experiences. Our group currently has 3 pastors wives and has had several more through the years (they do tend to move... We also get a lot of wives of doctor residents and prison personnel moving through, but that's a different tangent, lol) The only people who homeschool around here are people with religions that are less than mainstream if you get my drift. From what I read here I think our public schools are fantastic so homeschooling isn't that common for most people outside of religious reasons. Depending on your state or area it can be hard to tell.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jan 12, 2015 15:22:53 GMT -5
It kind of disgusts me that any church would encourage someone to give away their money to the point of destitution. I know Jesus said to give away everything and follow him, but then what? Couch surf until all your friends/family kick you out in disgust? We don't know that's the case for the person described by the op. You shouldn't jump to conclusions about the church in question or churches in general based on preconceived notions. I'm sure there are money grubbing churches out there. But I'd bet the individual in the op is doing on her own.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 12, 2015 15:34:00 GMT -5
It kind of disgusts me that any church would encourage someone to give away their money to the point of destitution. I know Jesus said to give away everything and follow him, but then what? Couch surf until all your friends/family kick you out in disgust? We don't know if that's the case for the person in question. That's true, we don't know, hence the general nature of the comment. We do know it happens, but this lady could be doing this entirely of her own accord.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Jan 13, 2015 19:04:05 GMT -5
Our faith-based charitable giving (as well as our NON faith-based charitable giving) is a matter of personal conscience and choice, and it is based (in part) on our household income. We don't donate in lieu of meeting our financial obligations, nor do we donate from savings designated for other purposes.
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