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Post by happyhoix on Dec 12, 2014 16:30:28 GMT -5
Actually I lived in a European country for 10 years, from age 11 to 21, and only once saw a gun. It was being carried by a policeman, after a big bank robbery, when they were checking cars on the streets. Normally, the gendarmes didn't carry guns. If you go by your theory that people carrying concealed weapons are the only thing keeping law in the streets, you would expect that I would have seen rapes, murders, robberies, right? That only the thugs and criminals would have the guns, and they would overrun the weak gunless civilans and cops? Here is what actually happened, when I lived there - I used to stay in the city until midnight or later, seeing movies, and then take a bus home, by myself, and walk through my village to my home, and never once was bothered by anyone. A teenage girl on her own. In ten years of living there never saw anyone assaulted on a street, mugged or robbed. Yes I'm sure some of that was going on, but it was very rare, and never in the public places I visited. Other than that bank that got robbed, I can't recall hearing about any stores or banks getting robbed at gunpoint. Even when we went to the big fall festival in the city, where everyone got drunk on beer and ate fried fish and waffles, I can only recall one incident of a drunk guy getting hauled away by (unarmed) gendarmes. That's what I mean by being able to live someplace where you can walk down the street umolested, even if you aren't carrying a concealed weapon. If your argument is that is impossible in the US - why is that? What is it about Americans that makes us eager to assault each other, unless guns are present to stop the assault? Do we ignore the laws that Europeans follow? Are we by nature more savage? The country I lived in had poor people, and had a ton of immigrants, and had rowdy young men - but less crime than we have, even though almost no one had guns. Why do you think that is? I generally don't put much faith in the memories coming from the 11 to 21 year old range. Parents usually bring their kids to the rainbow and puppy area's for safety sake and the kids have no accurate reference point to judge on. But if your memories of that area are so accurate, and things here are so dangerous and scary in the U.S. Why are you here? The NRA isn't going to stop infiltrating all levels of the U.S. government and bullying are Senators and Representatives into following their plan to arm all crazies with assault rifles with 100 round magazines. Best get out while the getting's good. Actually, I'm pretty sure at the age of 11 through 21 if I saw someone get robbed or mugged, or if someone attempted to rape me, or if I saw a murder on the street, I believe that would be something that stuck in my memory pretty good. I remember several instances throughout Europe of the cops picking up drunk and disorderly people, and I remember very vividly a communist rally when we were in Italy, so I'm pretty sure rape and murder and gunfire would have stayed with me pretty well Plus, I bothered to go look up the research on deaths, not just from guns but from all means, and compared us to them, and there is a pretty startling difference in the number of homicides per 100,000 people, so the facts back up my memories. Green wondered if maybe European justice was more severe, but there again, we lock up a lot more people, per 100,000, than the Luxembourgers do, PLUS we have the death penalty, which many people believe is instrumental in keeping people from murdering each other - and yet we do. And I didn't say anyplace in my posting that I didn't want to live here, or even that I personally feel unsafe. I was trying to engage in a thoughtful discussion about why Americans, despite so many of us having guns, have such a high murder rate, and incarcerate so many people, compared to a country where almost no one - not even the cops - carry guns around. You would think, if concealed carry guns are necessary to keep the peace, that Luxembourg would be a lawless country overrun with biker gangs and mafios, where women and children couldn't walk the streets alone - but the opposite is true. Why is that, do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 16:34:12 GMT -5
I generally don't put much faith in the memories coming from the 11 to 21 year old range. Parents usually bring their kids to the rainbow and puppy area's for safety sake and the kids have no accurate reference point to judge on. But if your memories of that area are so accurate, and things here are so dangerous and scary in the U.S. Why are you here? The NRA isn't going to stop infiltrating all levels of the U.S. government and bullying are Senators and Representatives into following their plan to arm all crazies with assault rifles with 100 round magazines. Best get out while the getting's good. Actually, I'm pretty sure at the age of 11 through 21 if I saw someone get robbed or mugged, or if someone attempted to rape me, or if I saw a murder on the street, I believe that would be something that stuck in my memory pretty good. I remember several instances throughout Europe of the cops picking up drunk and disorderly people, and I remember very vividly a communist rally when we were in Italy, so I'm pretty sure rape and murder and gunfire would have stayed with me pretty well Plus, I bothered to go look up the research on deaths, not just from guns but from all means, and compared us to them, and there is a pretty startling difference in the number of homicides per 100,000 people, so the facts back up my memories. Green wondered if maybe European justice was more severe, but there again, we lock up a lot more people, per 100,000, than the Luxembourgers do, PLUS we have the death penalty, which many people believe is instrumental in keeping people from murdering each other - and yet we do. And I didn't say anyplace in my posting that I didn't want to live here, or even that I personally feel unsafe. I was trying to engage in a thoughtful discussion about why Americans, despite so many of us having guns, have such a high murder rate, and incarcerate so many people, compared to a country where almost no one - not even the cops - carry guns around. You would think, if concealed carry guns are necessary to keep the peace, that Luxembourg would be a lawless country overrun with biker gangs and mafios, where women and children couldn't walk the streets alone - but the opposite is true. Why is that, do you think? The same reason a pen of sheep is very peaceful.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 12, 2014 16:37:47 GMT -5
Seriously? You complain about, like everything, all the time - just not about how happy you are to be able to carry a gun with you everywhere you go.
And why would I want to leave this great nation? Look at all the wonderful changes we've had in just the last twenty years- same sex marriages sweeping the nation, legal pot farmers springing up everywhere, the first president who isn't lily white, a good chance the next president won't have a penis - what's not to love?
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 12, 2014 16:43:23 GMT -5
Actually, I'm pretty sure at the age of 11 through 21 if I saw someone get robbed or mugged, or if someone attempted to rape me, or if I saw a murder on the street, I believe that would be something that stuck in my memory pretty good. I remember several instances throughout Europe of the cops picking up drunk and disorderly people, and I remember very vividly a communist rally when we were in Italy, so I'm pretty sure rape and murder and gunfire would have stayed with me pretty well Plus, I bothered to go look up the research on deaths, not just from guns but from all means, and compared us to them, and there is a pretty startling difference in the number of homicides per 100,000 people, so the facts back up my memories. Green wondered if maybe European justice was more severe, but there again, we lock up a lot more people, per 100,000, than the Luxembourgers do, PLUS we have the death penalty, which many people believe is instrumental in keeping people from murdering each other - and yet we do. And I didn't say anyplace in my posting that I didn't want to live here, or even that I personally feel unsafe. I was trying to engage in a thoughtful discussion about why Americans, despite so many of us having guns, have such a high murder rate, and incarcerate so many people, compared to a country where almost no one - not even the cops - carry guns around. You would think, if concealed carry guns are necessary to keep the peace, that Luxembourg would be a lawless country overrun with biker gangs and mafios, where women and children couldn't walk the streets alone - but the opposite is true. Why is that, do you think? The same reason a pen of sheep is very peaceful. So now you've gone from insulting me to insulting Europeans? European history is one long war after another, not just the two WW's in modern memory. Most of us sprang from their violent, constantly fighting stock. What changed?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 16:53:52 GMT -5
Seriously? You complain about, like everything, all the time - just not about how happy you are to be able to carry a gun with you everywhere you go. And why would I want to leave this great nation? Look at all the wonderful changes we've had in just the last twenty years- same sex marriages sweeping the nation, legal pot farmers springing up everywhere, the first president who isn't lily white, a good chance the next president won't have a penis - what's not to love? I was never complaining about anything. That's why you don't get stories from me how it is better somewhere else. I was just trying to have a thoughtful discussion on why anything supposedly better, always has to come with more restrictions. The things in your "what's not to love" list aren't issues for me. The NRA, and more gun freedom seem to be an issue to you however. The NRA is winning, and my financial support is helping them achieve their goals.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 17:01:32 GMT -5
The same reason a pen of sheep is very peaceful. So now you've gone from insulting me to insulting Europeans? European history is one long war after another, not just the two WW's in modern memory. Most of us sprang from their violent, constantly fighting stock. What changed? Beaten into submission? My other answer wasn't intended to be an insult to anyone, just an observation, and an answer to your question. If you don't want an answer from a viewpoint from the other side. Don't ask those questions.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 12, 2014 17:07:18 GMT -5
So now you've gone from insulting me to insulting Europeans? European history is one long war after another, not just the two WW's in modern memory. Most of us sprang from their violent, constantly fighting stock. What changed? Beaten into submission? My other answer wasn't intended to be an insult to anyone, just an observation, and an answer to your question. If you don't want an answer from a viewpoint from the other side. Don't ask those questions. I would love to hear theories from anyone who has a plausible one. "Because they are sheep" and "Because they are beaten into submission" are not plausible theories, though, but I welcome you to think about it a little more - I have and honestly don't understand why two populations of humans coming from the same ancestrial stock should be so different. I wonder if it has to do with our more recent history of being a frontier society, fighting against native Americans, plus the English, Spanish and the French to keep control of property. Perhaps this has made us more aggressive - but that doesn't explain why we're also so different from Canadians.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 12, 2014 17:11:18 GMT -5
Seriously? You complain about, like everything, all the time - just not about how happy you are to be able to carry a gun with you everywhere you go. And why would I want to leave this great nation? Look at all the wonderful changes we've had in just the last twenty years- same sex marriages sweeping the nation, legal pot farmers springing up everywhere, the first president who isn't lily white, a good chance the next president won't have a penis - what's not to love? I was never complaining about anything. That's why you don't get stories from me how it is better somewhere else. I was just trying to have a thoughtful discussion on why anything supposedly better, always has to come with more restrictions. The things in your "what's not to love" list aren't issues for me. The NRA, and more gun freedom seem to be an issue to you however. The NRA is winning, and my financial support is helping them achieve their goals. I didn't say that the Europeans have a less violent life because they don't own guns. Owning or not owning guns may not have anything to do with it. We might take all our guns away tomorrow and just start killing each other at the same rate, only using pitch forks and flame throwers to do it. The homicide rates I quote were from all types of homicides, not just guns deaths. 1 Luxembourger is killed out of every 100,000, compared to 5 out of every 100,000 American. Why are we more likely to kill each other?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 19:19:20 GMT -5
Yes we do live in a world filled with Sunshine and rainbows, green pastures and gentle streams, no need for money everything will be provided. Oh joy is us. Hmmm, the meds must be kicking in. Actually I lived in a European country for 10 years, from age 11 to 21, and only once saw a gun. It was being carried by a policeman, after a big bank robbery, when they were checking cars on the streets. Normally, the gendarmes didn't carry guns. If you go by your theory that people carrying concealed weapons are the only thing keeping law in the streets, you would expect that I would have seen rapes, murders, robberies, right? That only the thugs and criminals would have the guns, and they would overrun the weak gunless civilans and cops? Here is what actually happened, when I lived there - I used to stay in the city until midnight or later, seeing movies, and then take a bus home, by myself, and walk through my village to my home, and never once was bothered by anyone. A teenage girl on her own. In ten years of living there never saw anyone assaulted on a street, mugged or robbed. Yes I'm sure some of that was going on, but it was very rare, and never in the public places I visited. Other than that bank that got robbed, I can't recall hearing about any stores or banks getting robbed at gunpoint. Even when we went to the big fall festival in the city, where everyone got drunk on beer and ate fried fish and waffles, I can only recall one incident of a drunk guy getting hauled away by (unarmed) gendarmes. That's what I mean by being able to live someplace where you can walk down the street umolested, even if you aren't carrying a concealed weapon. If your argument is that is impossible in the US - why is that? What is it about Americans that makes us eager to assault each other, unless guns are present to stop the assault? Do we ignore the laws that Europeans follow? Are we by nature more savage? The country I lived in had poor people, and had a ton of immigrants, and had rowdy young men - but less crime than we have, even though almost no one had guns. Why do you think that is? Obviously, I wasn't a young girl... ever... but I did have friends that were young girls when I was a young boy... and this was pretty much the experience of childhood-to-early-adulthood for me (and the other boys and girls I knew), living in the big scary dangerous United States. We stayed out after dark, we walked to and from school or the store or friend's houses, no one bothered us or raped the girls or did "bad stuff"... so... I don't get the special-ness of the "I didn't grow up in that kind of place" mentality... MOST of use here didn't either.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 15, 2014 8:13:55 GMT -5
So skip the special childhood memories and stick with the statistics.
The place where I grew up has about 1 person in 100,000 murdered per year. The US has about 5 people per 100,000 murdered per year. That isn't personal memories, that's fact.
Why are we so much more prone to murder each other than most of the other developed countries? Are we more violent by nature? Is our police force much worse? Do we tend to shoot first and ask questions later?
Here is another one of my theories - every year we get a couple stories around here where someone was accidentally killed by a home owner who thought they were a threat. For instance, we had a man shoot an old guy with Alzheimers who had wandered into his yard (the old guy had apparently lived down the street years before, and might have been trying to find his old house). So I wonder, do Americans have a greater sense of 'space' - of what is our property, and we get very irate when a stranger invades what we consider to be ours? Either our yard or our house? Are we more likely to respond in force to this perceived invasion?
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Post by justme on Dec 15, 2014 9:59:46 GMT -5
Since the US has the highest ratio of prisoners to population, internationally, except for Seychelles, with 707 people out of every 100,000 in prison, and the country I lived in, Luxembourg, only has 131 out of every 100,000 people in prison, I would say no, we have a tougher justice system here. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rateThey also don't have capital punishment, and we do. In the 2000s, Luxembourg had an intentional homicide rate (from all methods, not just guns) of about 1 per 100,000 residents, while the use enjoyed a rate of 5 per 100,000 residents. So, they have no guns, they lock up less prisoners, they don't have the dealth penalty, and yet they kill each other at a much much lower rate than we do. How can this be the case, if they don't carry weapons around with them all the time to keep from being killed? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decadeI'm not being sarcastic, I would earnestly like to know why they have so much less crime than we do. I have read some articles the posit part of the reason is the countries with low criminal rates are way more homogeneous than the US. Without the culture clashes, various races, etc there's less volatility between citizens. Not that that's the only reason, but I think it may have something to do with it and I thought it was an interesting thought.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 10:06:41 GMT -5
Beaten into submission? My other answer wasn't intended to be an insult to anyone, just an observation, and an answer to your question. If you don't want an answer from a viewpoint from the other side. Don't ask those questions. I would love to hear theories from anyone who has a plausible one. "Because they are sheep" and "Because they are beaten into submission" are not plausible theories, though, but I welcome you to think about it a little more - I have and honestly don't understand why two populations of humans coming from the same ancestrial stock should be so different. I wonder if it has to do with our more recent history of being a frontier society, fighting against native Americans, plus the English, Spanish and the French to keep control of property. Perhaps this has made us more aggressive - but that doesn't explain why we're also so different from Canadians. Beaten into submission wasn't a theory, it was a question. You can usually tell by the (?). Here's a plausible theory. You use a 10 year time frame in Europe as your basis for no observed gun violence, making it better there than over here. I was born here and lived here for 58 years. I have never seen a gun crime, not even at a distance. Does that mean there is more or less gun crime by % of the populace in the U.S.? Don't forget, this is your standard.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 10:19:59 GMT -5
So skip the special childhood memories and stick with the statistics. The place where I grew up has about 1 person in 100,000 murdered per year. The US has about 5 people per 100,000 murdered per year. That isn't personal memories, that's fact. Why are we so much more prone to murder each other than most of the other developed countries? Are we more violent by nature? Is our police force much worse? Do we tend to shoot first and ask questions later? Here is another one of my theories - every year we get a couple stories around here where someone was accidentally killed by a home owner who thought they were a threat. For instance, we had a man shoot an old guy with Alzheimers who had wandered into his yard (the old guy had apparently lived down the street years before, and might have been trying to find his old house). So I wonder, do Americans have a greater sense of 'space' - of what is our property, and we get very irate when a stranger invades what we consider to be ours? Either our yard or our house? Are we more likely to respond in force to this perceived invasion? And yet a couple of posts back you were using those same special childhood memories as a talking point on violence in Europe. I tried to counter that such memories are seldom accurate or with a good basis to judge them on. You insisted on accuracy. From this point I will have to refer back to the question of my last/previous post.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 15, 2014 10:24:42 GMT -5
I would love to hear theories from anyone who has a plausible one. "Because they are sheep" and "Because they are beaten into submission" are not plausible theories, though, but I welcome you to think about it a little more - I have and honestly don't understand why two populations of humans coming from the same ancestrial stock should be so different. I wonder if it has to do with our more recent history of being a frontier society, fighting against native Americans, plus the English, Spanish and the French to keep control of property. Perhaps this has made us more aggressive - but that doesn't explain why we're also so different from Canadians. Here's a plausible theory. You use a 10 year time frame in Europe as your basis for no observed gun violence, making it better there than over here. I was born here and lived here for 58 years. I have never seen a gun crime, not even at a distance. Does that mean there is more or less gun crime by % of the populace in the U.S.? Don't forget, this is your standard. I already said skip my weak childhood memories and only go by the statistics. As I said a few posts back, 1 in 100,000 Luxembourgers get killed by all means (not just guns) every year, compared to 5 in 100,000 Americans getting murdered.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 15, 2014 10:30:48 GMT -5
Since the US has the highest ratio of prisoners to population, internationally, except for Seychelles, with 707 people out of every 100,000 in prison, and the country I lived in, Luxembourg, only has 131 out of every 100,000 people in prison, I would say no, we have a tougher justice system here. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rateThey also don't have capital punishment, and we do. In the 2000s, Luxembourg had an intentional homicide rate (from all methods, not just guns) of about 1 per 100,000 residents, while the use enjoyed a rate of 5 per 100,000 residents. So, they have no guns, they lock up less prisoners, they don't have the dealth penalty, and yet they kill each other at a much much lower rate than we do. How can this be the case, if they don't carry weapons around with them all the time to keep from being killed? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decadeI'm not being sarcastic, I would earnestly like to know why they have so much less crime than we do. I have read some articles the posit part of the reason is the countries with low criminal rates are way more homogeneous than the US. Without the culture clashes, various races, etc there's less volatility between citizens. Not that that's the only reason, but I think it may have something to do with it and I thought it was an interesting thought. I think that may be a factor. The US is famously a melting pot, possibly the ethnic diversity and the misunderstandings that come from that create more hostility and misunderstandings. We do tend to divide up into neighborhoods that are usually predominately one 'group' or another.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 15, 2014 10:32:21 GMT -5
I would love to hear theories from anyone who has a plausible one. "Because they are sheep" and "Because they are beaten into submission" are not plausible theories, though, but I welcome you to think about it a little more - I have and honestly don't understand why two populations of humans coming from the same ancestrial stock should be so different. I wonder if it has to do with our more recent history of being a frontier society, fighting against native Americans, plus the English, Spanish and the French to keep control of property. Perhaps this has made us more aggressive - but that doesn't explain why we're also so different from Canadians. Beaten into submission wasn't a theory, it was a question. You can usually tell by the (?). Here's a plausible theory. You use a 10 year time frame in Europe as your basis for no observed gun violence, making it better there than over here. I was born here and lived here for 58 years. I have never seen a gun crime, not even at a distance. Does that mean there is more or less gun crime by % of the populace in the U.S.? Don't forget, this is your standard. Interesting that you've never seen a gun crime, not even at a distance, and yet you feel so compelled to have a concealed weapon with you at all times. I just assumed you worked in a dangerous line of work or lived in a dangerous neighborhood. My bad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 10:33:08 GMT -5
Since the US has the highest ratio of prisoners to population, internationally, except for Seychelles, with 707 people out of every 100,000 in prison, and the country I lived in, Luxembourg, only has 131 out of every 100,000 people in prison, I would say no, we have a tougher justice system here. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rateThey also don't have capital punishment, and we do. In the 2000s, Luxembourg had an intentional homicide rate (from all methods, not just guns) of about 1 per 100,000 residents, while the use enjoyed a rate of 5 per 100,000 residents. So, they have no guns, they lock up less prisoners, they don't have the dealth penalty, and yet they kill each other at a much much lower rate than we do. How can this be the case, if they don't carry weapons around with them all the time to keep from being killed? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decadeI'm not being sarcastic, I would earnestly like to know why they have so much less crime than we do. I have read some articles the posit part of the reason is the countries with low criminal rates are way more homogeneous than the US. Without the culture clashes, various races, etc there's less volatility between citizens. Not that that's the only reason, but I think it may have something to do with it and I thought it was an interesting thought. Good point! Is the supposed "melting pot" of our multi-cultural society the reason for all the aggressive behavior versus a mostly singular culture/society? Those European countries are pretty small, like our states.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 10:51:24 GMT -5
Beaten into submission wasn't a theory, it was a question. You can usually tell by the (?). Here's a plausible theory. You use a 10 year time frame in Europe as your basis for no observed gun violence, making it better there than over here. I was born here and lived here for 58 years. I have never seen a gun crime, not even at a distance. Does that mean there is more or less gun crime by % of the populace in the U.S.? Don't forget, this is your standard. Interesting that you've never seen a gun crime, not even at a distance, and yet you feel so compelled to have a concealed weapon with you at all times. I just assumed you worked in a dangerous line of work or lived in a dangerous neighborhood. My bad. I live in an extremely rural area. Population density around 10/15 per square mile, less in some parts. I carry a gun as a tool, like all the other old ranchers around here. There is no law enforcement "protection" like in an urban area. The distances are too great, area to big to cover for protection purposes. On my own land I open carry a six gun or high powered rifle. I only "conceal" carry off property because it's required by AR state law. Whether animal or human, you're responsible for your own safety. This is the root of our disagreements. We live in different worlds while in the same country. The one size fits all legislation sometimes attempted by the Federal government is a point of contention for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 20:10:11 GMT -5
I think I can answer the reason behind the higher violence rates in the US: Too much puritanism and too much "me, me, me, mine, mine, mine" and too much (racially or gang related) "ours, ours, ours"
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 21, 2014 17:10:33 GMT -5
I think I can answer the reason behind the higher violence rates in the US: Too much puritanism and too much "me, me, me, mine, mine, mine" and too much (racially or gang related) "ours, ours, ours" Too much "war on drugs".
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I think I can answer the reason behind the higher violence rates in the US: Too much puritanism and too much "me, me, me, mine, mine, mine" and too much (racially or gang related) "ours, ours, ours" Too much "war on drugs". That too. But I don't think it's got NEARLY the presence "me, me, me" or puritanism does.
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Post by EVT1 on Dec 27, 2014 23:46:04 GMT -5
Was watching a movie last night- High Plains Drifter- and it occurred to me where Rush and his ilk get their ideas about 'rape', and toss Ann Coulter in on it since she claims unless women are hit on the head with a brick then they are just looking for attention.
In the movie the hero- Clint- drags a woman into a barn and rapes her- and of course half way through it she appears to get into it- although she attempts to kill him over it later. I think that is what pigs like Limbaugh think in the college context- which is why he has a problem with no means no. He thinks a rapist can flip the whole thing into consent because the woman can't resist. One character opined she was mad because he didn't go back for seconds.....
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 29, 2014 10:56:16 GMT -5
So, your worldview is based on a fictional depiction of rape that happens in a movie. Hell, I'm surprised Rolling Stone hasn't reported on that movie as scene as "news". I guess I shouldn't be surprised- liberals live in a parallel universe. They've accepted as reality, a completely imaginary world. I guess that's why it's easy to confuse the opinions of Rush Limbaugh and others with things that happen on screen in the movies. When you move back and forth so easily from the imagination to reality, as liberals do- it's an easy mistake to make.
It's been a bad year for proponents of the imaginary "rape culture". And that's a good thing for the civilized world that has to live with the consequences when the fantasies of genuinely mentally ill people are widely believed.
Look at the deadly consequences of the Ferguson lie: there are people that believe Mike Brown was executed as he surrendered with his hands up running around murdering police officers without provocation because they believe something that never, ever happened.
The lies of liberalism have real world consequences. The individuals and institutions that are torn down as a result of false allegations of rape deserve justice just as much as real victims of rape do.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 29, 2014 13:46:59 GMT -5
So, your worldview is based on a fictional depiction of rape that happens in a movie. Hell, I'm surprised Rolling Stone hasn't reported on that movie as scene as "news". I guess I shouldn't be surprised- liberals live in a parallel universe. They've accepted as reality, a completely imaginary world. I guess that's why it's easy to confuse the opinions of Rush Limbaugh and others with things that happen on screen in the movies. When you move back and forth so easily from the imagination to reality, as liberals do- it's an easy mistake to make. It's been a bad year for proponents of the imaginary "rape culture". And that's a good thing for the civilized world that has to live with the consequences when the fantasies of genuinely mentally ill people are widely believed. Look at the deadly consequences of the Ferguson lie: there are people that believe Mike Brown was executed as he surrendered with his hands up running around murdering police officers without provocation because they believe something that never, ever happened. The lies of liberalism have real world consequences. The individuals and institutions that are torn down as a result of false allegations of rape deserve justice just as much as real victims of rape do. There was a number of false rumors which were believed without any actual research and pushed such as this false story posted by one of our more conservative posters: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered ‘Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket’ Read more at conservativebyte.com/2014/08/officer-darren-wilson-suffered-blowout-fracture-eye-socket/Of course that never happened. I believe another conservative poster might even have posted this picture of Officer Wilson: With a little research, it was determined it was not Wilson at all but some guy injured back 2006. But it sure fanned the flames of anger with many conservatives.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 18:32:53 GMT -5
So, your worldview is based on a fictional depiction of rape that happens in a movie. Hell, I'm surprised Rolling Stone hasn't reported on that movie as scene as "news". I guess I shouldn't be surprised- liberals live in a parallel universe. They've accepted as reality, a completely imaginary world. I guess that's why it's easy to confuse the opinions of Rush Limbaugh and others with things that happen on screen in the movies. When you move back and forth so easily from the imagination to reality, as liberals do- it's an easy mistake to make. It's been a bad year for proponents of the imaginary "rape culture". And that's a good thing for the civilized world that has to live with the consequences when the fantasies of genuinely mentally ill people are widely believed. Look at the deadly consequences of the Ferguson lie: there are people that believe Mike Brown was executed as he surrendered with his hands up running around murdering police officers without provocation because they believe something that never, ever happened. The lies of liberalism have real world consequences. The individuals and institutions that are torn down as a result of false allegations of rape deserve justice just as much as real victims of rape do. There was a number of false rumors which were believed without any actual research and pushed such as this false story posted by one of our more conservative posters: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered ‘Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket’ Read more at conservativebyte.com/2014/08/officer-darren-wilson-suffered-blowout-fracture-eye-socket/Of course that never happened. I believe another conservative poster might even have posted this picture of Officer Wilson: With a little research, it was determined it was not Wilson at all but some guy injured back 2006. But it sure fanned the flames of anger with many conservatives. Yeah... but it does say on the picture "unconfirmed"... O.k. ... I'm reaching... I admit it.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 29, 2014 18:54:20 GMT -5
You don't want to get in a tit for tat on racial crimes- the spree of black on white violence that's been in full swing for nearly two years is a very long, and nauseating. I'm not going to post links, I'm not going to get into it. It's happening- and it's happening in large part because of a myth that started with the Zimmerman epic fail- except it didn't fail, because there are a lot of low information voters that truly believe the narrative that there are gun toting TEA Partiers, Republicans, and police officers who are all part of the same racist cabal out to murder black people- especially young black males, and that they do so with impunity. In reality, black on black crime is the most serious problem black male yutes face, and black on white crime is a small, but growing problem. You are either aware of these things, or you're not. If you're not, and you'd like to know- do your own homework. If you don't know, and don't want to know, or worse- you're part of the fringe group of leftists and anarchists spreading the myth of the racist cabal out to murder black people- especially young black males, and that they do so with impunity- then I don't expect to have a productive discussion with you anyway.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 29, 2014 18:59:22 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 29, 2014 19:21:35 GMT -5
Yeah... but it does say on the picture "unconfirmed"... O.k. ... I'm reaching... I admit it. It was a picture of the guy above but not necessarily with the comments above the picture. There are a number of pictures on the Internet of the guy above. I just grabbed the one off of Snopes. Yes. I said Snopes.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Dec 29, 2014 20:16:57 GMT -5
The story from 2006 - the person in that picture is Moto-Cross racer Jim McNeil:
link here
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