Rolling Stone's Phony UVA Rape Story Takes Another Huge Hit

[zibazinski]

Oh, I'm so relieved. 

[steff]

Dec 9, 2014 13:52:10 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I don't know if you're a good liberal then. Are you white? If you're a white and a liberal, self-loathing is kinda required. How else do you guilt yourself into supporting higher taxes on yourself, racial and gender based hiring quotas, etc?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Dec 9, 2014 14:03:19 GMT -5 Opti said:

I state my agreement with the general premise that the criminal must be taught to fear their victim

Paul I am literal with my words and you are anything but.

So I'm going to stop replying. The premise as stated was violent crime

could only be lessened by criminals fearing their victims.

I am commenting on what it actually said.

You are discussing what you believe it means and even discussing what you

think I have "said".

Its like a bad miscommunications play.

Opti: X statement isn't always true.

Paul: What do you mean Y and Z shouldn't happen.

Opti: Long explanation that will be misunderstood.

        Proper response

exit thread

OK, well then see ya later.  I guess. 

[swamp]

Dec 9, 2014 13:52:10 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I don't know if you're a good liberal then. Are you white? If you're a white and a liberal, self-loathing is kinda required. How else do you guilt yourself into supporting higher taxes on yourself, racial and gender based hiring quotas, etc?

pasty, even.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 9, 2014 16:12:06 GMT -5 swamp said:

Dec 9, 2014 13:52:10 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I don't know if you're a good liberal then. Are you white? If you're a white and a liberal, self-loathing is kinda required. How else do you guilt yourself into supporting higher taxes on yourself, racial and gender based hiring quotas, etc?

pasty, even.

QE2's whitest of white ass.

[EVT1]

Maybe Liberals just aren't that self-centered and greedy   It is a society we live in, not thunderdome.

I wonder if PBP has one of those bumper stickers- 'he who dies with the most toys wins' ?

 

[zibazinski]

My EX does.

[EVT1]

Dec 9, 2014 21:25:24 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

My EX does.

Is that why?  Have seen more than one relationship fall apart over how the money should be spent.  Had a GF that used to get yelled at for buying shoes or whatnot but toys were a spending priority- and she made more money than her ex did.

I am not joking in the least: 4 wheeler-in the budget, pool table-in the budget, nitrous kit- in the budget, a decent car for the lady- can't swing it. She drove a beat up old Dodge with no air conditioning to work so he could have a new truck. How that man is still alive is beyond me.

[zibazinski]

No. It was sad to see him trying to buy happiness but sometimes we all are guilty of it so I don't throw stones at him for that. His issues ran far deeper. I'm angry and sad at him and for him at the same time. He's still not a happy man and never will be. If he'd have put us in financial jeopardy because of his spending, that'd be another story, but he didn't. He tries to buy people, too. 

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Dec 9, 2014 21:19:16 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Maybe Liberals just aren't that self-centered and greedy   It is a society we live in, not thunderdome.

I wonder if PBP has one of those bumper stickers- 'he who dies with the most toys wins' ?

 

Either you don't know a lot of "liberals," or maybe we just have a difference of opinion over what self-centered and greedy means...or it could be that most of the liberals I know are different than the ones you know (most of the ones I know aren't rich).

[Deleted]

Dec 8, 2014 16:16:31 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Dec 8, 2014 15:12:33 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I don't attack and rape woman, so I'm doing all I can. At my age I sometimes can't perform even in the allotted/allowed times. Let me know when your plan on how eliminate sex crime/(all crime?) is implemented, and 100% successful. My DW will then hang up her concealed carry gun. Until then, she said she will carry on as usual. (pun intended) It isn't just the young male criminals that rape. I hate the ones where young juvenile girls get raped and then killed. We had a string of those lately when one was sensationalized on the local news a few years back. One involved an uncle and friend. They dumped her body in a cave/sinkhole. Feral humans that I wouldn't hesitate one second to eliminate if I caught them at their crime. Sorry DJ, it's who I am.

I would prefer to live in a society where only consentual sex between adults takes place. I know we have a ways to go to get there, but that's where I would like the human species to end up.

Don't want to end up with every single person in society carrying a gun all the time just on the off chance they might get to blow someone away that day. Sounds too much like a Rambo movie.

I don't think there's to many people that want to get to shoot someone. Ideally concealed carry is a deterent to reduce crime, without ever having to use it.

[happyhoix]

Dec 12, 2014 7:21:37 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Dec 8, 2014 16:16:31 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I would prefer to live in a society where only consentual sex between adults takes place. I know we have a ways to go to get there, but that's where I would like the human species to end up.

Don't want to end up with every single person in society carrying a gun all the time just on the off chance they might get to blow someone away that day. Sounds too much like a Rambo movie.

I don't think there's to many people that want to get to shoot someone. Ideally concealed carry is a deterent to reduce crime, without ever having to use it.

Ideally we live in a society where carrying a gun isn't required in order to walk the streets umolested and unrobbed.

[OldCoyote]

Yes we do live in a world filled with Sunshine and rainbows, green pastures and gentle streams, no need for money everything will be provided.  Oh joy is us.

Hmmm, the meds must be kicking in.

[Green Eyed Lady]

We used to have a thread here somewhere about rainbows and puppies and stuff.  Everybody fought in it. 

[Green Eyed Lady]

Now I have to watch it again.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 12, 2014 10:13:58 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Now I have to watch it again.

I just deleted the quote because it was not relevant to the thread-only part of the thread title (Oopsie Daisy). But, yes, I do like the movie Notting Hill. And the quote is funny.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Ok.  Now it looks like I'm drunk-posting, or dumb....or both. 

[zibazinski]

[Tennesseer]

Dec 12, 2014 10:26:38 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Ok.  Now it looks like I'm drunk-posting, or dumb....or both. 

It's after noon somewhere. All is good.

[happyhoix]

Dec 12, 2014 8:47:11 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Yes we do live in a world filled with Sunshine and rainbows, green pastures and gentle streams, no need for money everything will be provided.  Oh joy is us.

Hmmm, the meds must be kicking in.

Actually I lived in a European country for 10 years, from age 11 to 21, and only once saw a gun. It was being carried by a policeman, after a big bank robbery, when they were checking cars on the streets. Normally, the gendarmes didn't carry guns.

If you go by your theory that people carrying concealed weapons are the only thing keeping law in the streets, you would expect that I would have seen rapes, murders, robberies, right? That only the thugs and criminals would have the guns, and they would overrun the weak gunless civilans and cops?

Here is what actually happened, when I lived there - I used to stay in the city until midnight or later, seeing movies, and then take a bus home, by myself, and walk through my village to my home, and never once was bothered by anyone. A teenage girl on her own.  In ten years of living there never saw anyone assaulted on a street, mugged or robbed. Yes I'm sure some of that was going on, but it was very rare, and never in the public places I visited. Other than that bank that got robbed, I can't recall hearing about any stores or banks getting robbed at gunpoint. Even when we went to the big fall festival in the city, where everyone got drunk on beer and ate fried fish and waffles, I can only recall one incident of a drunk guy getting hauled away by (unarmed) gendarmes.

That's what I mean by being able to live someplace where you can walk down the street umolested, even if you aren't carrying a concealed weapon.

If your argument is that is impossible in the US - why is that? What is it about Americans that makes us eager to assault each other, unless guns are present to stop the assault? Do we ignore the laws that Europeans follow? Are we by nature more savage? The country I lived in had poor people, and had a ton of immigrants, and had rowdy young men - but less crime than we have, even though almost no one had guns. Why do you think that is?

[Green Eyed Lady]

Is the European criminal justice system tougher on criminals than we are here?   I know nothing about their system. 

[billisonboard]

Dec 12, 2014 11:04:56 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Is the European criminal justice system tougher on criminals than we are here?   I know nothing about their system. 

Here is one extreme example.

(AP) OSLO, Norway - A Norwegian court sentenced Anders Behring Breivik to prison on Friday, denying prosecutors the insanity ruling they hoped would show that his massacre of 77 people was the work of a madman, not part of an anti-Muslim crusade.

...

The five-judge panel in the Oslo district court unanimously convicted Breivik, 33, of terrorism and premeditated murder and ordered him imprisoned for a period between 10 and 21 years, the maximum allowed under Norwegian law.

I think we would likely kill the guy.

[happyhoix]

Since the US has the highest ratio of prisoners to population, internationally, except for Seychelles, with 707 people out of every 100,000 in prison, and the country I lived in, Luxembourg, only has 131 out of every 100,000 people in prison, I would say no, we have a tougher justice system here.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

They also don't have capital punishment, and we do.

In the 2000s, Luxembourg had an intentional homicide rate (from all methods, not just guns) of about 1 per 100,000 residents, while the use enjoyed a rate of 5 per 100,000 residents.

So, they have no guns, they lock up less prisoners, they don't have the dealth penalty, and yet they kill each other at a much much lower rate than we do. How can this be the case, if they don't carry weapons around with them all the time to keep from being killed?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decade

I'm not being sarcastic, I would earnestly like to know why they have so much less crime than we do.

[Green Eyed Lady]

I wasn't being sarcastic either.  I was wondering if  their penalities were stiffer and more consistently applied than ours, perhaps contributing to less crime because of the deterrant.  That evidently isn't the case.  

[Green Eyed Lady]

I hate to think that the only other answer is that we are way less civilized but...

[Deleted]

Dec 12, 2014 11:01:40 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Dec 12, 2014 8:47:11 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Yes we do live in a world filled with Sunshine and rainbows, green pastures and gentle streams, no need for money everything will be provided.  Oh joy is us.

Hmmm, the meds must be kicking in.

Actually I lived in a European country for 10 years, from age 11 to 21, and only once saw a gun. It was being carried by a policeman, after a big bank robbery, when they were checking cars on the streets. Normally, the gendarmes didn't carry guns.

If you go by your theory that people carrying concealed weapons are the only thing keeping law in the streets, you would expect that I would have seen rapes, murders, robberies, right? That only the thugs and criminals would have the guns, and they would overrun the weak gunless civilans and cops?

Here is what actually happened, when I lived there - I used to stay in the city until midnight or later, seeing movies, and then take a bus home, by myself, and walk through my village to my home, and never once was bothered by anyone. A teenage girl on her own.  In ten years of living there never saw anyone assaulted on a street, mugged or robbed. Yes I'm sure some of that was going on, but it was very rare, and never in the public places I visited. Other than that bank that got robbed, I can't recall hearing about any stores or banks getting robbed at gunpoint. Even when we went to the big fall festival in the city, where everyone got drunk on beer and ate fried fish and waffles, I can only recall one incident of a drunk guy getting hauled away by (unarmed) gendarmes.

That's what I mean by being able to live someplace where you can walk down the street umolested, even if you aren't carrying a concealed weapon.

If your argument is that is impossible in the US - why is that? What is it about Americans that makes us eager to assault each other, unless guns are present to stop the assault? Do we ignore the laws that Europeans follow? Are we by nature more savage? The country I lived in had poor people, and had a ton of immigrants, and had rowdy young men - but less crime than we have, even though almost no one had guns. Why do you think that is?

I generally don't put much faith in the memories coming from the 11 to 21 year old range. Parents usually bring their kids to the rainbow and puppy area's for safety sake and the kids have no accurate reference point to judge on. But if your memories of that area are so accurate, and things here are so dangerous and scary in the U.S. Why are you here? The NRA isn't going to stop infiltrating all levels of the U.S. government and bullying are Senators and Representatives into following their plan to arm all crazies with assault rifles with 100 round magazines. Best get out while the getting's good.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 12, 2014 11:35:44 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Dec 12, 2014 11:01:40 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Actually I lived in a European country for 10 years, from age 11 to 21, and only once saw a gun. It was being carried by a policeman, after a big bank robbery, when they were checking cars on the streets. Normally, the gendarmes didn't carry guns.

If you go by your theory that people carrying concealed weapons are the only thing keeping law in the streets, you would expect that I would have seen rapes, murders, robberies, right? That only the thugs and criminals would have the guns, and they would overrun the weak gunless civilans and cops?

Here is what actually happened, when I lived there - I used to stay in the city until midnight or later, seeing movies, and then take a bus home, by myself, and walk through my village to my home, and never once was bothered by anyone. A teenage girl on her own.  In ten years of living there never saw anyone assaulted on a street, mugged or robbed. Yes I'm sure some of that was going on, but it was very rare, and never in the public places I visited. Other than that bank that got robbed, I can't recall hearing about any stores or banks getting robbed at gunpoint. Even when we went to the big fall festival in the city, where everyone got drunk on beer and ate fried fish and waffles, I can only recall one incident of a drunk guy getting hauled away by (unarmed) gendarmes.

That's what I mean by being able to live someplace where you can walk down the street umolested, even if you aren't carrying a concealed weapon.

If your argument is that is impossible in the US - why is that? What is it about Americans that makes us eager to assault each other, unless guns are present to stop the assault? Do we ignore the laws that Europeans follow? Are we by nature more savage? The country I lived in had poor people, and had a ton of immigrants, and had rowdy young men - but less crime than we have, even though almost no one had guns. Why do you think that is?

I generally don't put much faith in the memories coming from the 11 to 21 year old range. Parents usually bring their kids to the rainbow and puppy area's for safety sake and the kids have no accurate reference point to judge on. But if your memories of that area are so accurate, and things here are so dangerous and scary in the U.S. Why are you here? The NRA isn't going to stop infiltrating all levels of the U.S. government and bullying are Senators and Representatives into following their plan to arm all crazies with assault rifles with 100 round magazines. Best get out while the getting's good.

Seriously? How insulting.

[Deleted]

Dec 12, 2014 11:43:55 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 12, 2014 11:35:44 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I generally don't put much faith in the memories coming from the 11 to 21 year old range. Parents usually bring their kids to the rainbow and puppy area's for safety sake and the kids have no accurate reference point to judge on. But if your memories of that area are so accurate, and things here are so dangerous and scary in the U.S. Why are you here? The NRA isn't going to stop infiltrating all levels of the U.S. government and bullying are Senators and Representatives into following their plan to arm all crazies with assault rifles with 100 round magazines. Best get out while the getting's good.

Seriously? How insulting.

Not insulting, it was a simple question.  My memories from that age frame tend to be colored and less than accurate.   Where were you when she was referencing "rural old farts".  More selective complaining? 

[Tennesseer]

Dec 12, 2014 12:20:20 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Dec 12, 2014 11:43:55 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Seriously? How insulting.

Not insulting, it was a simple question.  My memories from that age frame tend to be colored and less than accurate.   Where were you when she was referencing "rural old farts".  More selective complaining? 

If you don't like all the gun laws and maybe even more in the future, why don't you move to Somalia or some other fine place where there are guns galore.

See how stupid that sounds? As stupid as your comment for her to move to wherever.

[Deleted]

Dec 12, 2014 15:15:32 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 12, 2014 12:20:20 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Not insulting, it was a simple question.  My memories from that age frame tend to be colored and less than accurate.   Where were you when she was referencing "rural old farts".  More selective complaining? 

If you don't like all the gun laws and maybe even more in the future, why don't you move to Somalia or some other fine place where there are guns galore.

See how stupid that sounds? As stupid as your comment for her to move to wherever.

Where I live, the amount of gun restriction is lessening. Open carry 13 miles to the north, just over the MI/AR border. Concealed carry with stand your ground right here at home. More gun freedom loving Republicans just entering into the Federal government this January 1st. I'm not going anywhere. I'll be here for years to come toting my weapon and pushing for more gun freedom. This is also a guns galore place. It would be stupid to go to Somalia. If she does move to Europe to find her crime free Nirvana, it's yet one more vote gone missing for more gun restrictions. People should live in an environment where they're happy. That place exists for her right now. Why is it stupid to go there? If she doesn't want to go back to that wonderful place in Europe, there are much more gun restrictive liberal states to the north where she can also go.   You'll never hear me complaining how it was so much better someplace else.  I love it here, and this country.