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Post by mmhmm on Nov 29, 2014 21:38:34 GMT -5
I've just removed a bunch of posts from this thread. Again, if you guys can't post civilly this evening, perhaps you need to find less contentious threads in which to post. This bickering isn't going to be tolerated.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 30, 2014 7:41:33 GMT -5
The only thing going through my head in all these instances is why more people don't support body cameras for cops? Would easily exonerate police officers that are justified, and would get the bad apples out of the profession pretty quick. Sum Dum Gai, The video evidence is only as good as the honesty and ethics of the department that has them. How many times have we been told the cameras were not working, or the hard drives were accidently erased . Another thread here, a police officer though he had erased a witness video only to have it show up again.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 30, 2014 9:23:17 GMT -5
In related news the Republican party can't figure out why immigrants don't support them. Republican think tanks completely baffled. It's probably a conspiracy between our Kenyan president and the leftist media. Um didn't the Republicans just win big in national and state elections???
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Post by Shooby on Nov 30, 2014 9:25:10 GMT -5
If you're not mature enough to leave the toy markings on a toy gun or a BB gun, then you're not mature enough to have one. With any kind of weapon, even a BB gun, some judgment is in order. The fact that the boy went to a public park and was showing it off means he was too young to have it. Zib there are no toy markings on bb guns or pellet guns or CO2 guns.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 30, 2014 9:29:12 GMT -5
I would suggest you Google that those who think bb guns have " toy markings". However possessing a real gun is NOT a crime.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 30, 2014 9:30:02 GMT -5
I do not get it. Michael Brown incident is full of "what if's" and lots of unknowns. The Cleveland incident based on the footage is VERY TELLING.
The driver of the squad put his partner in a severely defensive, awkward position by driver right up on the kid, instead of stopping further from the boy. The partner is on top of the kid. The shooting was almost simultaneous.
If there ever was a lesson for police over reacting and shooting without a reasoned thought process, this is it.
And yet, no outrage from the black community.
I do not get it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 9:39:39 GMT -5
I do not get it. Michael Brown incident is full of "what if's" and lots of unknowns. The Cleveland incident based on the footage is VERY TELLING.
The driver of the squad put his partner in a severely defensive, awkward position by driver right up on the kid, instead of stopping further from the boy. The partner is on top of the kid. The shooting was almost simultaneous.
If there ever was a lesson for police over reacting and shooting without a reasoned thought process, this is it.
And yet, no outrage from the black community.
I do not get it. No protests for not mean no outage. Also the place did not have mostly all white police and history of bad treatment to black people.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 30, 2014 9:39:45 GMT -5
If you're not mature enough to leave the toy markings on a toy gun or a BB gun, then you're not mature enough to have one. With any kind of weapon, even a BB gun, some judgment is in order. The fact that the boy went to a public park and was showing it off means he was too young to have it. Zib there are no toy markings on bb guns or pellet guns or CO2 guns. Besides beings wrong to have no markings, it still should not be in public place.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 30, 2014 9:55:53 GMT -5
.. And yet, no outrage from the black community.
I do not get it. Cleveland residents chant, "No justice, no peace" at a community meeting at Cudell Recreation Center Nov. 25, 2014. City and police officials held the meeting to address the community's concerns following the shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice by a Cleveland police officer. ... CLEVELAND, Ohio – More than 300 people gathered Tuesday night at Cudell Recreation Center to demand answers from city and police officials following the shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice by a police officer. (Emphasis added) www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_residents_speak_out.html It sounds like there is outrage but also a difference in how the city is handling the situation.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 30, 2014 9:56:31 GMT -5
That isn't the Law Zib. And, openly carrying a gun is not against the law.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 30, 2014 9:57:31 GMT -5
As for comments about him being 'immature", he's 12. Yeah, he's "immature" whatever that is supposed to mean. It is the JOB of the cops to be MATURE and not open fire on a situation until they have assessed the need to do so.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 30, 2014 10:31:08 GMT -5
It's the job of his parents to realize their son is too immature to realize guns don't belong in a public park. They didn't do their job and now he's dead. that does not excuse the policeman.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 30, 2014 10:33:51 GMT -5
It isn't ILLEGAL to posses a BB gun. Even in a park. What law did he break that warranted an immediate execution?
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Post by b2r on Nov 30, 2014 10:43:19 GMT -5
If you want to play with toy guns, sticks or bananas...you have to expect this kind of outcome.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 30, 2014 10:47:09 GMT -5
So, the law doesn't matter then? It isn't illegal to possess and carry a weapon. There was no reason to make that decision in a split second. They could have had assessed the situation.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 30, 2014 12:32:30 GMT -5
It isn't ILLEGAL to posses a BB gun. Even in a park. What law did he break that warranted an immediate execution? It is called brandishing a gun....that is what the kid did.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 30, 2014 12:36:33 GMT -5
And, the penalty for that is the Death Penalty?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 30, 2014 12:46:28 GMT -5
And, the penalty for that is the Death Penalty? No, but it is looked at in a different manner than just carrying. When you brandish your weapon, it is assumed that you are going to shoot. One of the first things you learn in classes for firearms. You do not unholster your gun unless you intend on using it, and you do not point it anywhere you do not intend to shoot. I agree that the cops should not have shot so quickly, but I fault the parents as much for not teaching the child proper use of a firearm (even a BB gun). The cops did not know this was a BB gun.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 30, 2014 12:47:43 GMT -5
The cops didn't take the time to find out anything. Even though the caller said it was mostly likely not a real gun. Cops are SUPPOSED to have some understanding and assess a situation before reacting.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 30, 2014 12:52:07 GMT -5
.. And yet, no outrage from the black community.
I do not get it. Cleveland residents chant, "No justice, no peace" at a community meeting at Cudell Recreation Center Nov. 25, 2014. City and police officials held the meeting to address the community's concerns following the shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice by a Cleveland police officer. ... CLEVELAND, Ohio – More than 300 people gathered Tuesday night at Cudell Recreation Center to demand answers from city and police officials following the shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice by a police officer. (Emphasis added) www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_residents_speak_out.html It sounds like there is outrage but also a difference in how the city is handling the situation. HMMN, No rioting, no fires no overturned police vehicles. Such peaceful demonstration. And yet, they chant, no justice, no peace....... That said, this incident screams "police over reaction" and also screams, we need some serious inner perspective on the part of the police community.
Were not both policeman white in this incident?
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 30, 2014 12:55:35 GMT -5
I do not get it. Michael Brown incident is full of "what if's" and lots of unknowns. The Cleveland incident based on the footage is VERY TELLING.
The driver of the squad put his partner in a severely defensive, awkward position by driver right up on the kid, instead of stopping further from the boy. The partner is on top of the kid. The shooting was almost simultaneous.
If there ever was a lesson for police over reacting and shooting without a reasoned thought process, this is it.
And yet, no outrage from the black community.
I do not get it. No protests for not mean no outage. Also the place did not have mostly all white police and history of bad treatment to black people. Cleveland has a MAJORITY BLACK police force? Cleveland has no history of police brutality in the black community? Were the responding police black?
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 30, 2014 12:58:54 GMT -5
Let's try to stay on topic and not drag other cases into this one, please. These things are confusing enough without trying to discuss them all together! Thanks. mmhmm, Administrator
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2014 13:36:39 GMT -5
In related news the Republican party can't figure out why immigrants don't support them. Republican think tanks completely baffled. It's probably a conspiracy between our Kenyan president and the leftist media. Um didn't the Republicans just win big in national and state elections if "winning big" means doing about averagely good for an off year election, then.....yeah.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2014 13:40:10 GMT -5
It's the job of his parents to realize their son is too immature to realize guns don't belong in a public park. They didn't do their job and now he's dead. that's not necessarily true. do you have any evidence that the parents did NOT tell the child that, or even that the "weapon" was his?
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2014 13:44:01 GMT -5
Cleveland residents chant, "No justice, no peace" at a community meeting at Cudell Recreation Center Nov. 25, 2014. City and police officials held the meeting to address the community's concerns following the shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice by a Cleveland police officer. ... CLEVELAND, Ohio – More than 300 people gathered Tuesday night at Cudell Recreation Center to demand answers from city and police officials following the shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice by a police officer. (Emphasis added) www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_residents_speak_out.html It sounds like there is outrage but also a difference in how the city is handling the situation. HMMN, No rioting, no fires no overturned police vehicles. Such peaceful demonstration. And yet, they chant, no justice, no peace....... That said, this incident screams "police over reaction" and also screams, we need some serious inner perspective on the part of the police community.
Were not both policeman white in this incident?
PERHAPS the citizens of this community view law enforcement as working for them. PERHAPS they see this incident as a really horrible accident, not "business as usual". PERHAPS the problem in Ferguson lies in THE POLICE DEPARTMENT for failing to engage the community in a way that garners sympathy, understanding and mutual respect. would that not explain the difference?
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2014 13:44:47 GMT -5
no. it is called brandishing a WEAPON, and that is NOT what the kid did. The cops did not know it was not a gun. And yes, when you display a weapon like that, it is brandishing. I watched the whole video, and he aimed it at various things, pretending to shoot. i deleted the post, Mich.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 30, 2014 14:13:56 GMT -5
... The cops did not know it was not a gun. ... And with the way they chose to approach, they gave themselves no opportunity to assess.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 30, 2014 14:21:53 GMT -5
HMMN, No rioting, no fires no overturned police vehicles. Such peaceful demonstration. And yet, they chant, no justice, no peace....... That said, this incident screams "police over reaction" and also screams, we need some serious inner perspective on the part of the police community.
Were not both policeman white in this incident?
PERHAPS the citizens of this community view law enforcement as working for them. PERHAPS they see this incident as a really horrible accident, not "business as usual". PERHAPS the problem in Ferguson lies in THE POLICE DEPARTMENT for failing to engage the community in a way that garners sympathy, understanding and mutual respect. would that not explain the difference? PERHAPS. All I know it is another black male killed by the police under rather shoddy circumstances. Granted, he was not a "young adult black male", but black and male just the same, and the argument in Missouri is over the killing of another young black male, representing hundreds of victims. For some reason, this killing does not meet the requirements of the black community or young white liberals who are also a big part of the violent riots and turmoil occurring across retail establishments in the last three days. Like I stated earlier, I am not sure why there is selective demonstrations where this is happening.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 14:33:17 GMT -5
No protests for not mean no outage. Also the place did not have mostly all white police and history of bad treatment to black people. Cleveland has a MAJORITY BLACK police force? Cleveland has no history of police brutality in the black community? Were the responding police black?
Majority is not same as almost 100%
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