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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 27, 2014 19:26:04 GMT -5
I don't know the area, I don't know the road - or what's on the other side of the road, do you?
I don't see anyone around, but I do know if there was someone brandishing a gun, I probably would make myself scarce from the area.
Because it was a BB gun, there were no shots fired and I don't believe that the recoil from a BB gun is anything like that of a gun so what would you hear? However, no one knows that this is not a real gun.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 27, 2014 19:45:59 GMT -5
... However, no one knows that this is not a real gun. And the approach that the police chose to make ensured that there was no time to assess anything.
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 27, 2014 19:48:14 GMT -5
At first glance, this looks ugly to me. I'd really like to have more information.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 27, 2014 20:33:30 GMT -5
I grew up in PA. And hunters walked through town carrying rifles. Since when has carrying a gun become illegal? But the Left wont breathe a peep because shooting everyone onsight who has a weapon is a good way to iintimidate gun owners.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 20:36:36 GMT -5
I grew up in PA. And hunters walked through town carrying rifles. Since when has carrying a gun become illegal? But the Left wont breathe a peep because shooting everyone onsight who has a weapon is a good way to iintimidate gun owners.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 27, 2014 20:53:05 GMT -5
You can roll your eyes all u want. It isn't illegal for a kid to have a BB gun. But I guess just being gunned down for it is fine with you.
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 27, 2014 21:06:06 GMT -5
You can roll your eyes all u want. It isn't illegal for a kid to have a BB gun. But I guess just being gunned down for it is fine with you. I'd suggest you don't assume what's fine with anyone, since you don't know. There's more to this than just a kid with a BB gun and we don't have enough information to know what the hell happened. At first glance, it stinks to high heaven; however, I've got the sense to know I don't know all I need to know to make that determination. I also don't have enough information to decide what someone else considers "fine". Neither do you.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Nov 27, 2014 21:12:12 GMT -5
You can roll your eyes all u want. It isn't illegal for a kid to have a BB gun. But I guess just being gunned down for it is fine with you. Unless you live out on a farm, acreage, or ranch, why on earth would you want your kid to have a BB gun in this day & age?
My brothers had them as kids (back in the dark ages). We also had a lot of open land around us, just outside of our neighborhood where they could shoot gophers, or catch frogs, etc.
I sure wouldn't gift a kid in the city with a BB gun today. Their little toy rifles or cap-guns back then looked like toys - today toy guns are designed far too similar to real deadly weapons including handguns.
A police officer doesn't have the time to assess whether a gun might be real or fake - their first response is to stop any imminent threat of a real weapon.
They have no way of knowing if this kid is holding a toy, or if they swiped a real gun from daddy's gun rack or hiding place.
Their job is hard enough as it is - they have to deal with real threats on a daily basis - a kid with a gun can very much be in possession of a real weapon.
Police face enough danger every day - they can't take the chance on approaching to see if it's "just a toy".
Sandy Hook is a prime example. That kid wasn't carrying any toy when he walked into the school and started firing.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 27, 2014 21:40:20 GMT -5
... A police officer doesn't have the time to assess whether a gun might be real or fake - their first response is to stop any imminent threat of a real weapon. ... So do you support "see gun - shoot to kill"?
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Nov 27, 2014 21:51:31 GMT -5
I didn't say that, did I?
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 27, 2014 21:52:52 GMT -5
I didn't say that, did I? No. That is why I asked the question.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Nov 27, 2014 22:42:08 GMT -5
No, I don't support "See a gun, shoot to kill" - but I also don't support toy stores selling "toy" guns that look like the real thing.
A police officer doesn't have the option to approach to see if said kid (or anyone else) is holding a toy or the real thing. Get mad at the toy manufacturers, not the cops.
They put their lives on the line every day to protect us. They could have called in a full SWAT team under these circumstances. Someone in a park with what appears to be a weapon.
We're not in the position to make the judgment call they have to make on a daily basis. Their job is to serve and protect - and they put their lives on the line every day.
Get mad at the people who make these fake weapons that look like the real thing - and the parents who allow their kids to have them. It'll reduce the number of deaths caused by a "non-weapon" incident.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 27, 2014 22:44:54 GMT -5
Whether you " support" that or not , it isn't illegal for a kid to have a bb gun.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 27, 2014 22:46:14 GMT -5
You can roll your eyes all u want. It isn't illegal for a kid to have a BB gun. But I guess just being gunned down for it is fine with you. Unless you live out on a farm, acreage, or ranch, why on earth would you want your kid to have a BB gun in this day & age?
My brothers had them as kids (back in the dark ages). We also had a lot of open land around us, just outside of our neighborhood where they could shoot gophers, or catch frogs, etc.
I sure wouldn't gift a kid in the city with a BB gun today. Their little toy rifles or cap-guns back then looked like toys - today toy guns are designed far too similar to real deadly weapons including handguns.
A police officer doesn't have the time to assess whether a gun might be real or fake - their first response is to stop any imminent threat of a real weapon.
They have no way of knowing if this kid is holding a toy, or if they swiped a real gun from daddy's gun rack or hiding place.
Their job is hard enough as it is - they have to deal with real threats on a daily basis - a kid with a gun can very much be in possession of a real weapon.
Police face enough danger every day - they can't take the chance on approaching to see if it's "just a toy".
Sandy Hook is a prime example. That kid wasn't carrying any toy when he walked into the school and started firing.
It really is not your business if a parent wants their kid to have a bb gun.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 27, 2014 22:50:40 GMT -5
No, I don't support "See a gun, shoot to kill" - ...
A police officer doesn't have the option to approach to see if said kid (or anyone else) is holding a toy or the real thing. ... So they can't "approach" but shouldn't shoot to kill. So what action do you support them doing when they encounter a person with something that appears to be a gun?
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 27, 2014 23:06:01 GMT -5
There are plenty of instances where Police have acted in a questionable way. I think when the police choked and killed that man for selling illegal cigarettes, that was over the top. Yet, the media and Jesse Jackson seem to ignore those and go in and try to turn cases that don't fit those facts into something they are not. Jesse Jackson is getting too long in the tooth. But Reverand Al Sharpton is, I believe, a favorite target of yours too. So will Reverand Sharpton do regarding the man (Eric Garner) killed by police by a chokehold as he was selling cigarettes? Seems the media was reporting it too. Al Sharpton leads Staten Island march to protest police chokehold death of Eric Garner [photos]
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Nov 27, 2014 23:22:31 GMT -5
It's my business if said parent buys Jim-Bob their BB gun, then doesn't go the next step to make sure said kid doesn't carry it on public streets or sit in public parks holding it.
A responsible parent who lives in the big City wouldn't buy one for their kid to begin with.
As I said, my brothers had them - I even shot them. But with the way they're designed & manufactured to day, to look more like a real weapon, there's no way in HELL I'd buy one or condone buying one for a niece, nephew, son, daughter, or grandchild.
I'm trained in target shooting - I know how to handle REAL weapons - but I'm also a responsible adult - I wouldn't even put a plastic pistol in the hands of a child - let alone a BB gun today.
This incident is one of the reasons why - too much risk and speculation as to whether it's a real loaded weapon.
And if you've been around BB guns, you know that even they can cause injury or take out an eye.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 27, 2014 23:37:15 GMT -5
Perhaps the police could have just shot his eye out instead of ya know killing him?
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Post by Shooby on Nov 27, 2014 23:38:30 GMT -5
There are plenty of instances where Police have acted in a questionable way. I think when the police choked and killed that man for selling illegal cigarettes, that was over the top. Yet, the media and Jesse Jackson seem to ignore those and go in and try to turn cases that don't fit those facts into something they are not. Jesse Jackson is getting too long in the tooth. But Reverand Al Sharpton is, I believe, a favorite target of yours too. So will Reverand Sharpton do regarding the man (Eric Garner) killed by police by a chokehold as he was selling cigarettes? Seems the media was reporting it too. Al Sharpton leads Staten Island march to protest police chokehold death of Eric Garner [photos] Al Sharpton is a " favorite target of mine"? Oh ok.
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 27, 2014 23:44:14 GMT -5
Perhaps the police could have just shot his eye out instead of ya know killing him? What?!? The only person on this thread who has suggested anything like that is you, Shooby. We have no clue as to the facts in this case. We know diddly, and that "we" includes you.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Nov 27, 2014 23:53:56 GMT -5
Perhaps the police could have just shot his eye out instead of ya know killing him? Good dodge and twisting of my words - did you even READ my entire post - or just pick out the part you wanted to focus on? Some of your responses are just mindless babble.
I have friends in law enforcement and I'm tired of the bullshit cop-bashing - like you're doing, while they're out patrolling and protecting YOU and yours - with wives/husbands and kids of their own at home not knowing if mom or dad will make it through their shift when they walk out the door each day.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 28, 2014 0:19:08 GMT -5
Al Sharpton is a " favorite target of mine"? Oh ok. Sure he is. You know who he is. He's that black rabble rouser who stirs up the black folk. Why he even organized a march in Staten Island against police actions resulting in the death of Eric Garner of which the media reported the death before, during and after the protest march.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 28, 2014 3:21:47 GMT -5
Support for the likes of the Al and Jesse show is not a way to win arguments. The kid's parents were absolutely in the wrong for letting their son go to a public park with a weapon or anything that looked like a weapon. BB guns do not belong in a city or public property EVER. I'm not thinking the policeman handled it well but I wasn't there. No way in hell I'd ever be one judging by the hatred shown even by some of the posters here but bottom line, had parents been parenting, this wouldn't have happened.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Nov 28, 2014 11:28:55 GMT -5
I saw this the other day, and it's just so wrong on SO many levels. I can't even begin....
Have they established WHO took off the orange safety marker?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 11:42:13 GMT -5
Probably if he was white right wingers will say SECOND AMENDMENT SECOND AMENDMENT!!!
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 28, 2014 11:49:16 GMT -5
I saw this the other day, and it's just so wrong on SO many levels. I can't even begin.... Have they established WHO took off the orange safety marker? From what I've been able to find, I don't think they've established much of anything, at this point. Either that or they haven't released the information.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 12:01:02 GMT -5
I saw this the other day, and it's just so wrong on SO many levels. I can't even begin.... Have they established WHO took off the orange safety marker? If the child did it I'm gonna not blame a 12 years old boy for it. Its what boys will do normally probably.
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Post by EVT1 on Nov 28, 2014 15:30:05 GMT -5
No, I don't support "See a gun, shoot to kill" - but I also don't support toy stores selling "toy" guns that look like the real thing.
A police officer doesn't have the option to approach to see if said kid (or anyone else) is holding a toy or the real thing. Get mad at the toy manufacturers, not the cops.
They put their lives on the line every day to protect us. They could have called in a full SWAT team under these circumstances. Someone in a park with what appears to be a weapon.
We're not in the position to make the judgment call they have to make on a daily basis. Their job is to serve and protect - and they put their lives on the line every day.
Get mad at the people who make these fake weapons that look like the real thing - and the parents who allow their kids to have them. It'll reduce the number of deaths caused by a "non-weapon" incident. Well actually they are- when the police here got called to a 'man with a gun in the park' situation they just went up and talked to him- like they normally do with any white person carrying a gun.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 28, 2014 15:41:35 GMT -5
his 10+ minutes of brandishing an assault weapon was about 10 minutes more than MB got without one. edit: perhaps it is because when the officer looked at him, they didn't see someone dangerous- they saw their grandpa, or their dad, or their crazy uncle Willie.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 28, 2014 15:42:16 GMT -5
I think putting these two together is valuable.
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