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Post by mmhmm on Oct 29, 2014 11:23:25 GMT -5
And now this of course: Bellevue Workers, Worn Out From Treating Ebola Patient, Face Stigma Outside Hospital
Bellevue’s medical director, Dr. Nate Link, said more than a dozen employees — not limited to those taking care of Dr. Spencer — had reported being discriminated against, including not being welcome at a business or social event. One employee lost a teaching position, he said.
Some nurses who moonlight at other jobs have been told they are not needed there, according to the New York State Nurses Association, a union. One nurse said her child was not allowed to go to day care. “These are obviously related to irrational fears in the community,” Dr. Link said.
But sometimes the snubbing is taking place inside their own workplace. Nurses treating Dr. Spencer were in tears at a meeting this week as they complained about being shunned by other staff members in the elevators,
www.nytimes.com/2014/10/30/nyregion/bellevue-workers-worn-out-from-treating-ebola-patient-face-stigma-outside-hospital.html?_r=0You know, I'm starting to think ignorance is more infectious than Ebola. This is ridiculous!
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 11:23:49 GMT -5
this pretty much says it all:
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 11:26:26 GMT -5
And now this of course: Bellevue Workers, Worn Out From Treating Ebola Patient, Face Stigma Outside Hospital
Bellevue’s medical director, Dr. Nate Link, said more than a dozen employees — not limited to those taking care of Dr. Spencer — had reported being discriminated against, including not being welcome at a business or social event. One employee lost a teaching position, he said.
Some nurses who moonlight at other jobs have been told they are not needed there, according to the New York State Nurses Association, a union. One nurse said her child was not allowed to go to day care. “These are obviously related to irrational fears in the community,” Dr. Link said.
But sometimes the snubbing is taking place inside their own workplace. Nurses treating Dr. Spencer were in tears at a meeting this week as they complained about being shunned by other staff members in the elevators,
www.nytimes.com/2014/10/30/nyregion/bellevue-workers-worn-out-from-treating-ebola-patient-face-stigma-outside-hospital.html?_r=0You know, I'm starting to think ignorance is more infectious than Ebola. This is ridiculous! the merchants of fear are working overtime to make sure that we are all terrified. hard to imagine "terrorists" doing any better.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 11:27:32 GMT -5
It will work out, I think that's what the fearful are missing about Ebola. It isn't brand new and unknown. There have been multiple outbreaks over decades plus the understanding of the disease has progressed greatly.
I think its fantastic that if caught at the right time it may turn out to be 100% curable. To me, that should reduce fear. Yes, I'd like to think that as we have tiny occurrences in various modern areas around the US and the world, that people's panic factor will ease because they will see that it (a) is not very easy to catch, (b) is not communicable by casual contact nor while a person is asymptomatic, and (c) has a high recovery rate in modern settings. The biggest problem the US currently has with ebola is that the people in charge on state/local levels are trying to keep their jobs, and so are feeding the hysteria instead of trying to reduce it with logic and science and calm response. i think replacing the CDC director with someone more reactionary is a huge mistake. hope it doesn't happen.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 29, 2014 11:29:10 GMT -5
Lawdy! That was absolutely hilarious, djAdvocate! I've got tears in my eyes from laughing! I'm also a little embarrassed for all of us! ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/shucks2.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 11:30:23 GMT -5
so, anyone watching the ebola clock? how many days has it been since the last infection?
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 29, 2014 11:30:33 GMT -5
Wrong. If he is a day late and a dollar short before reporting, we do not have just an "incident". We have multiple infections, and probably thousands of people reporting they do. please don't exaggerate. it doesn't really help your argument. the average infection rate PER EBOLA VICTIM is 3 persons in 21 days. i have a hard time getting to "thousands" from ONE victim in 21 days using geometric progression. it would take HUNDREDS of ebola victims to do that. It's not even three people. It's 2 people on average plus the person who originally had the virus. However, in the US so far, we haven't even seen that low rate of retransmission. Mr. Duncan in Dallas was in fact, a literal 2 days late and a dollar short in getting isolated for the virus and was unprotected in the community until he was violently ill. And just look at the thousands hundreds dozens multiples zero people who were infected by his going about his business until he was isolated upon confirmation of the virus.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 11:31:09 GMT -5
Lawdy! That was absolutely hilarious, djAdvocate! I've got tears in my eyes from laughing! I'm also a little embarrassed for all of us! ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/shucks2.png) candidly, i didn't understand what was causing some posters here to say what they do. now i do. edit: keep in mind that the UK is more like the US in terms of media than any other Western nation. so the reaction, say, in France, is even more subdued.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 11:32:21 GMT -5
please don't exaggerate. it doesn't really help your argument. the average infection rate PER EBOLA VICTIM is 3 persons in 21 days. i have a hard time getting to "thousands" from ONE victim in 21 days using geometric progression. it would take HUNDREDS of ebola victims to do that. It's not even three people. It's 2 people on average plus the person who originally had the virus. However, in the US so far, we haven't even seen that low rate of retransmission. Mr. Duncan in Dallas was in fact, a literal 2 days late and a dollar short in getting isolated for the virus and was unprotected in the community until he was violently ill. And just look at the thousands hundreds dozens multiples zero people who were infected by his going about his business until he was isolated upon confirmation of the virus. i was being "liberal". the infection rate i gave was for WEST AFRICA. i have no idea what it does in developed areas. but we are going to find out! ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png)
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 29, 2014 11:33:21 GMT -5
Well, I guess those who are afeared for their precious bods can cancel all airline tickets, avoid restaurants, grocery stores, gas stations (whose hands have been on that gas pump?), and other places the public frequents. If they scrub it down with bleach, the inside of their closet should be quite safe. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/rolleyes.gif)
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 11:36:04 GMT -5
Well, I guess those who are afeared for their precious bods can cancel all airline tickets, avoid restaurants, grocery stores, gas stations (whose hands have been on that gas pump?), and other places the public frequents. If they scrub it down with bleach, the inside of their closet should be quite safe. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/rolleyes.gif) maybe they will stay home this election, and not vote. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) edit: i am still laughing about "ebola ass spaghetti".....
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Post by Angel! on Oct 29, 2014 11:41:09 GMT -5
Wrong. Unless and until the doctor was actually symptomatic he has every right to go about his business. He's not going to infect anyone unless he has symptoms. A fever isn't going to infect anyone. It's a sign he needs to go to the hospital to be checked for the virus and remain under quarantine until diagnosed, or cleared. That's what he did. Wrong. If he is a day late and a dollar short before reporting, we do not have just an "incident". We have multiple infections, and probably thousands of people reporting they do. An oz of prevention (staying home) prevents it. Severe lack of hubris being committed by the medical community. Practice the motto "do no harm" in this case, mental anguish of your community.
Where are our multiple infections then? The nurse went through 2 airports & rode on a plane before quarantine. Duncan was extremely ill and no one in his immediate family caught it. It isn't that infectious or we would already be seeing the general public catching it. They are not because it is not that infectious & you are just spreading unwarranted fear & panic.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 29, 2014 11:41:35 GMT -5
Well, I guess those who are afeared for their precious bods can cancel all airline tickets, avoid restaurants, grocery stores, gas stations (whose hands have been on that gas pump?), and other places the public frequents. If they scrub it down with bleach, the inside of their closet should be quite safe. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/rolleyes.gif) maybe they will stay home this election, and not vote. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) edit: i am still laughing about "ebola ass spaghetti"..... Ack! The voting machines! O NOEZ! Somebody done ate that Ebola ass spaghetti and then went and voted with that very voting machine! We're all gonna diiiiiie!
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Post by justme on Oct 29, 2014 11:42:04 GMT -5
"80 people! Do you know how many that is? Two 40s!" ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/rofl.gif) "I don't think Ebola would like it here" ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/rofl.gif)
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Post by Opti on Oct 29, 2014 11:47:15 GMT -5
And now this of course: Bellevue Workers, Worn Out From Treating Ebola Patient, Face Stigma Outside Hospital
Bellevue’s medical director, Dr. Nate Link, said more than a dozen employees — not limited to those taking care of Dr. Spencer — had reported being discriminated against, including not being welcome at a business or social event. One employee lost a teaching position, he said.
Some nurses who moonlight at other jobs have been told they are not needed there, according to the New York State Nurses Association, a union. One nurse said her child was not allowed to go to day care. “These are obviously related to irrational fears in the community,” Dr. Link said.
But sometimes the snubbing is taking place inside their own workplace. Nurses treating Dr. Spencer were in tears at a meeting this week as they complained about being shunned by other staff members in the elevators,
www.nytimes.com/2014/10/30/nyregion/bellevue-workers-worn-out-from-treating-ebola-patient-face-stigma-outside-hospital.html?_r=0You know, I'm starting to think ignorance is more infectious than Ebola. This is ridiculous! It is. Lots of people are being turned away out of fear when they don't even have exposure. I was reading a Wiki link. Just being in Africa 3000 miles from the problem was enough for some people. Memorizing where the problem is too hard, so anything Africa is to be worried about. Heck going to a conference in Dallas and being within 10 miles of the hospital apparently is good for some fear-based enforcement by others.
Closing schools, massive uses of bleach for no known reason, its amazing in a sick sort of way. I don't even know whether bleach has been considered something that can destroy Ebola if it were present on surfaces. Idiots who die because they choose to believe rumors that drinking salt water can prevent Ebola. Fear and ignorance are deadly in this case.
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Post by Opti on Oct 29, 2014 11:55:13 GMT -5
Great video. Maybe humor is the best way to conquer Fearbola.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 12:01:04 GMT -5
CBS poll: 80% back quarantines for Ebola; A new CBS News poll finds that Americans overwhelmingly support quarantine for travelers arriving from West Africa. Eighty percent think U.S. citizens and legal residents returning from West Africa should be quarantined upon their arrival in the U.S. until it is certain they don’t have Ebola. Just 17 percent think they should be allowed to enter as long as they do not show symptoms of Ebola.
Polling began on the evening of Oct. 23, the night Dr. Craig Spencer became the first U.S. citizen to be diagnosed with Ebola inside the United States after contracting the disease in West Africa.
Americans are even more stringent when it comes to foreign visitors from West Africa. Just 14 percent think foreign visitors should be allowed to enter the U.S. as long as they show no symptoms of Ebola. Most–56 percent–think they should be quarantined upon arrival, while just over a quarter (27 percent) don’t think they should be allowed to enter the U.S. at all until the Ebola epidemic in West Africa is over. Americans continue to show concern that the federal government is not adequately prepared to deal with an outbreak of Ebola in the United States. Fifty-six percent do not think the federal government is adequately prepared, and 66 percent feel the same way about their own local hospital.
In fact, Obama seems to be less convincing among Democrats than among independents. Republicans give the most support for blocking entry to non-US residents from Ebola impacted countries at 33%, but Democrats aren’t far behind at 22% while 29% of independents support it. When combined with quarantine support, indies are at 82%, while Democrats are at 84% and Republicans at 89%. The same bipartisan consensus exists for quarantining US citizens and legal residents coming from these countries, with 78% of independents, 81% of Democrats, and 84% of Republicans all supporting such policies.
Interestingly, this isn’t a policy borne of fear as much as it is from experience. Overall concern about a large Ebola outbreak has actually dropped slightly from mid-October’s 69% to 61%, with all three affiliation demos at 60% or above. The number of “very concerned” has dropped from 40% to 32%, and all three demos are within a point of that number. Both are significantly lower than the desire to impose travel bans or quarantines, which strongly suggest that people see the latter as normal preventive measures rather than a crisis response. hotair.com/archives/2014/10/29/cbs-poll-80-back-quarantines-for-ebola/
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Post by Opti on Oct 29, 2014 12:22:59 GMT -5
Really, the experience of a month, with most people having zero contact with Ebola or Ebola victims. Its fear pure and simple. After DJ's video, I am sad I live in a wuss country with people too afraid & lazy to learn the facts.
They spend their time opining on stuff, forwarding emails and spreading fear. Some will make up dumb shit like Ebola ass pasta, but mostly they will spend time making their fears larger instead of actually spending that time becoming informed.
If overall fear has dropped by 8% its likely only because the epidemic folks wanted to worry into existence on US soil has failed to happen. In fact the only death was someone who lied about where he was and did not reveal it quickly enough. Therefore it was easy to miss and only on the electronic health record possibly in not a prominent place. Both nurses who were exposed because of this patient and had the disease for some time are now Ebola free. That should be what makes headlines. But calm does not sell or excite the masses it seems. Apparently 80% of us Americans might be addicted to fear and allergic to truth & facts.
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Post by justme on Oct 29, 2014 12:27:59 GMT -5
That comment just made me feel sad for him. What a world to live in where you have to worry about regular, non-Ebola, ass spaghetti being served to you. I wouldn't eat at a friend's place if they were serving ass spaghetti!
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 12:28:07 GMT -5
CBS poll: 80% back quarantines for Ebola; /
it is polls like this that make me painfully aware (and thankful) of why/that we live in a Republic.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 12:30:08 GMT -5
Really, the experience of a month, with most people having zero contact with Ebola or Ebola victims. Its fear pure and simple. After DJ's video, I am sad I live in a wuss country with people too afraid & lazy to learn the facts.
They spend their time opining on stuff, forwarding emails and spreading fear. Some will make up dumb shit like Ebola ass pasta, but mostly they will spend time making their fears larger instead of actually spending that time becoming informed.
If overall fear has dropped by 8% its likely only because the epidemic folks wanted to worry into existence on US soil has failed to happen. In fact the only death was someone who lied about where he was and did not reveal it quickly enough. Therefore it was easy to miss and only on the electronic health record possibly in not a prominent place. Both nurses who were exposed because of this patient and had the disease for some time are now Ebola free. That should be what makes headlines. But calm does not sell or excite the masses it seems. Apparently 80% of us Americans might be addicted to fear and allergic to truth & facts.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 29, 2014 12:50:19 GMT -5
Maybe they will. If nobody gets Ebola despite what these two terrible people have done/are doing, maybe the public will finally get a freaking grip!
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Post by Opti on Oct 29, 2014 12:54:00 GMT -5
I find it telling that none of the conservatives ever posted OMG Obama hugged the nurse who used to have Ebola. Apparently that has calmed no one or it wasn't considered newsworthy.
I think it is trending much like Aids. It will take people hugging and interacting with asymptomatic people publicly and often before those who love to live in fear - decide to join reality. Or maybe it will be time. When time passes and all these people end up not getting Ebola or get cured from it perhaps those less addicted to fear will come to their senses.
I remember when I first heard of Ebola and it indeed was a scary disease. Unlike those who choose to be afraid, I am focusing on the amazing positive facts. Only one person has died of it here in the US and he lied his way into the country and lied in his initial hospital stay. Had he been more upfront in his first hospital visit, he might have lived. So far with all the exposure people expect has happened - one death. To me that's fantastic news. We never had that kind of hope and success with AIDs. And so far two nurses have recovered. If you are into positive news, really the only way it could be better is if Duncan himself had been saved.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Oct 29, 2014 12:55:54 GMT -5
Maybe they will. If nobody gets Ebola despite what these two terrible people have done/are doing, maybe the public will finally get a freaking grip! Or maybe these scofflaws should not break the law.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 29, 2014 12:57:26 GMT -5
Maybe they will. If nobody gets Ebola despite what these two terrible people have done/are doing, maybe the public will finally get a freaking grip! Or maybe these scofflaws should not break the law. They should not. No question about that. It's a stupid, stupid law. That doesn't mean anyone should break it. Fight it, yes. Break it? No.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 29, 2014 13:03:36 GMT -5
I remember when I first heard of Ebola and it indeed was a scary disease. Unlike those who choose to be afraid, I am focusing on the amazing positive facts. Only one person has died of it here in the US and he lied his way into the country and lied in his initial hospital stay. Had he been more upfront in his first hospital visit, he might have lived. So far with all the exposure people expect has happened - one death. To me that's fantastic news. Just to clarify, Mr. Duncan probably did not lie but rather, believed what he told officials. He had helped transport a very sick pregnant woman to the hospital in a taxi in Liberia, but the taxi driver reported that he had been told by the family that the woman did *not* have ebola and was suffering a miscarriage. The taxi driver, probably like Duncan, was misled by the family about what was going on. The fact that Mr. Duncan then hugged and kissed his step-grandchildren in TX and lived with his fiance indicate that he must have truly believed he was no danger to them. As for the hospital, he told the nurse that he was from Africa and a failure to follow up or suspect ebola was the hospital's oversight.
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