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Post by Value Buy on Oct 29, 2014 7:59:27 GMT -5
So the current tally is 12,469 recent flu deaths to 1 Ebola death. Got it- quaking in my boots.
No one noticing that the people here are surviving with the right care- except for the man who was misdiagnosed? So far the Ebola survival rate here is pretty good. Just out of curiosity, when was your start date for counting flu deaths? Since the first case of Ebola here in the states? Not trying to argue here, just wondered when the stat was date was established.
And I understand when one has the flu they are to stay home too, but alas, many do not.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 29, 2014 8:01:20 GMT -5
My take is scared citizens are saying we are terrified of getting Ebola. So much so, we are willing to do almost anything to someone else to stop us for possibly maybe being exposed.
So far, I think only one person may have been stupid which was the nurse who flew on the plane. Those who have Fearbola of course will count differently. After all, what can be too high a cost to protect you when its other people's time, money and lives?
How much money are you willing to send your state government and federal government for all this unnecessary expense?
wrong The doctor in NYC should not have been out and about. This is stupid, until they are 110% sure they do not have the disease. This is simple. If you want to flaunt yourself, other people down the pike pay the price for you. If medical professionals are this loose with their actions, it is only a matter of time before someone is infected with the disease before they are a day past infectious contagion before they self report.
Wrong. Unless and until the doctor was actually symptomatic he has every right to go about his business. He's not going to infect anyone unless he has symptoms. A fever isn't going to infect anyone. It's a sign he needs to go to the hospital to be checked for the virus and remain under quarantine until diagnosed, or cleared. That's what he did.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 29, 2014 8:10:24 GMT -5
wrong The doctor in NYC should not have been out and about. This is stupid, until they are 110% sure they do not have the disease. This is simple. If you want to flaunt yourself, other people down the pike pay the price for you. If medical professionals are this loose with their actions, it is only a matter of time before someone is infected with the disease before they are a day past infectious contagion before they self report.
Wrong. Unless and until the doctor was actually symptomatic he has every right to go about his business. He's not going to infect anyone unless he has symptoms. A fever isn't going to infect anyone. It's a sign he needs to go to the hospital to be checked for the virus and remain under quarantine until diagnosed, or cleared. That's what he did. Wrong. If he is a day late and a dollar short before reporting, we do not have just an "incident". We have multiple infections, and probably thousands of people reporting they do. An oz of prevention (staying home) prevents it. Severe lack of hubris being committed by the medical community. Practice the motto "do no harm" in this case, mental anguish of your community.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 29, 2014 8:12:57 GMT -5
Wrong. Unless and until the doctor was actually symptomatic he has every right to go about his business. He's not going to infect anyone unless he has symptoms. A fever isn't going to infect anyone. It's a sign he needs to go to the hospital to be checked for the virus and remain under quarantine until diagnosed, or cleared. That's what he did. Wrong. If he is a day late and a dollar short before reporting, we do not have just an "incident". We have multiple infections, and probably thousands of people reporting they do. An oz of prevention (staying home) prevents it. Severe lack of hubris being committed by the medical community. Practice the motto "do no harm" in this case, mental anguish of your community.
Wrong. If he's not symptomatic, he's not a day late. If he gets into the hospital for isolation and testing as soon as he finds he's running a fever, he's not going to pass it on. There's nothing to prevent.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 29, 2014 8:27:27 GMT -5
... An oz of prevention (staying home) prevents it. Severe lack of hubris being committed by the medical community. Practice the motto "do no harm" in this case, mental anguish of your community.
Of course, all that "mental anguish" could also be prevented if those pushing the fear were just "starting home".
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 29, 2014 8:32:30 GMT -5
Wrong. If he's not symptomatic, he's not a day late. If he gets into the hospital for isolation and testing as soon as he finds he's running a fever, he's not going to pass it on. There's nothing to prevent. Which is exactly what we've seen in Dallas and NYC so far. People went about their business while self-monitoring, and they have not at this juncture passed it on to anyone else by just going about their business.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 29, 2014 8:32:46 GMT -5
Since when is one doctor the "medical community"?
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 29, 2014 8:34:56 GMT -5
Wrong. Unless and until the doctor was actually symptomatic he has every right to go about his business. He's not going to infect anyone unless he has symptoms. A fever isn't going to infect anyone. It's a sign he needs to go to the hospital to be checked for the virus and remain under quarantine until diagnosed, or cleared. That's what he did. Wrong. If he is a day late and a dollar short before reporting, we do not have just an "incident". We have multiple infections, and probably thousands of people reporting they do. An oz of prevention (staying home) prevents it. Severe lack of hubris being committed by the medical community. Practice the motto "do no harm" in this case, mental anguish of your community.
Yes, you're right. The medical workers are displaying a severe lack of hubris. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png)
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Oct 29, 2014 8:42:23 GMT -5
Wrong. Unless and until the doctor was actually symptomatic he has every right to go about his business. He's not going to infect anyone unless he has symptoms. A fever isn't going to infect anyone. It's a sign he needs to go to the hospital to be checked for the virus and remain under quarantine until diagnosed, or cleared. That's what he did. Wrong. If he is a day late and a dollar short before reporting, we do not have just an "incident". We have multiple infections, and probably thousands of people reporting they do. An oz of prevention (staying home) prevents it. Severe lack of hubris being committed by the medical community. Practice the motto "do no harm" in this case, mental anguish of your community.
You have to remember that even once you are symptomatic, it is going to be hard to transmit the disease by normal activity. You only get really contagious once you are really sick and probably bed ridden. If you check your temperature each day and get a blood test if you see a rise in your body temperature this should suffice; but I can see having mandatory self monitoring ordered for individuals that have been in contact with ebola patients
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Post by Opti on Oct 29, 2014 8:55:18 GMT -5
Wrong. Unless and until the doctor was actually symptomatic he has every right to go about his business. He's not going to infect anyone unless he has symptoms. A fever isn't going to infect anyone. It's a sign he needs to go to the hospital to be checked for the virus and remain under quarantine until diagnosed, or cleared. That's what he did. Wrong. If he is a day late and a dollar short before reporting, we do not have just an "incident". We have multiple infections, and probably thousands of people reporting they do. An oz of prevention (staying home) prevents it. Severe lack of hubris being committed by the medical community. Practice the motto "do no harm" in this case, mental anguish of your community.
The problem is you and others are stirring fear instead of getting how easy this generally is to avoid AND that here in the US if caught early seems quite curable unlike AIDs.
If he is a day late in reporting it, it would be highly unlikely to have issues. When symptoms first start to show up the person is not very contagious. In fact, we currently have zero incidences of people contracting Ebola in this country from the early contagious stages.
Please stop using the word hubris though. It has been used incorrectly and weirdly both times I've seen you use it. Hubris equals false pride but usually in a way different context than you choose. The medical community is trying to be sane and reasonable. You and others are trying to spread fear and believe the issue is far worse than it is.
It reminds me of the AIDs hysteria. And just like AIDs it isn't that catching in the early stages and unlike AIDs it appears its deadliness in this country will continue to drop as we learn how to figure out what it is in the early stages. The mental anguish in the community is because they are so afraid they give into their stupidity. That is no way to conquer this at home or in Africa. There are germs that fly around you on a daily basis. Yet most of the time they do nothing. Usually it has to be a combination of your immune system being down AND a certain amount of contact. In the early stages there simply isn't enough of the Ebola present in small amounts of body fluids for people to contract the disease unless they are very very sick or perhaps they wallow in lots of body fluids from that individual.
These medical professionals would have to be roving around when they are vomiting and having diahrea(sp?) from the disease before it would be contagious on the level you are concerned about. That's way more than just a day and a dollar short. Plus how many people generally are roving the street when they are vomiting and living on the toilet? None that I know of, but YMMV.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 29, 2014 9:24:04 GMT -5
Wrong. If he is a day late and a dollar short before reporting, we do not have just an "incident". We have multiple infections, and probably thousands of people reporting they do. An oz of prevention (staying home) prevents it. Severe lack of hubris being committed by the medical community. Practice the motto "do no harm" in this case, mental anguish of your community.
The problem is you and others are stirring fear instead of getting how easy this generally is to avoid AND that here in the US if caught early seems quite curable unlike AIDs.
If he is a day late in reporting it, it would be highly unlikely to have issues. When symptoms first start to show up the person is not very contagious. In fact, we currently have zero incidences of people contracting Ebola in this country from the early contagious stages.
Please stop using the word hubris though. It has been used incorrectly and weirdly both times I've seen you use it. Hubris equals false pride but usually in a way different context than you choose. The medical community is trying to be sane and reasonable. You and others are trying to spread fear and believe the issue is far worse than it is.
It reminds me of the AIDs hysteria. And just like AIDs it isn't that catching in the early stages and unlike AIDs it appears its deadliness in this country will continue to drop as we learn how to figure out what it is in the early stages. The mental anguish in the community is because they are so afraid they give into their stupidity. That is no way to conquer this at home or in Africa. There are germs that fly around you on a daily basis. Yet most of the time they do nothing. Usually it has to be a combination of your immune system being down AND a certain amount of contact. In the early stages there simply isn't enough of the Ebola present in small amounts of body fluids for people to contract the disease unless they are very very sick or perhaps they wallow in lots of body fluids from that individual.
These medical professionals would have to be roving around when they are vomiting and having diahrea(sp?) from the disease before it would be contagious on the level you are concerned about. That's way more than just a day and a dollar short. Plus how many people generally are roving the street when they are vomiting and living on the toilet? None that I know of, but YMMV.
lol, as you can see, I am not stirring any fear on the boards with anyone. Now Aids hysteria was wrong? Give me a break. Tell that to the people who contacted Aids from transfusions because the medical community missed the transmission capabilities in the beginning, as well as people with Aids not disclosing they had the disease when giving blood. Not the doctor's fault per se, as they did not know and understand the disease, but it did not stop the transmission to people in need of transfusions. I believe some hysteria was rather understandable at the time. Sorry, based on everyone here, and and now Aids hysteria being wrong, I am done with the thread. I will no bother anyone on this issue any longer.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 29, 2014 9:25:32 GMT -5
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Post by Opti on Oct 29, 2014 9:53:15 GMT -5
VB, I'm sorry you choose to interpret my words with your meaning not mine. Being upset, warranted. Hysteria, generally unwarranted because that implies unthinking uncontrolled fear.
What *I* was referring to was the hysteria of not letting AIDs victims move about in society which later did happen as people became aware of what was safe and what was not. Yes blood transfusions were an issue just like they were for other things like Mad Cow disease.
The take away should be the disease is becoming more understood and its been around for decades. Its not new and so unknown so the terror people have is yes unreasonable hysteria. The take away should be things like guess what, here in America it will be harder to get because we have knowledge of how its spread and most of us will choose not to muck with very sick people's bodily fluids if they have Ebola. Just like AIDs in that respect. The outbreak is worse now, according to what I have read, because of the countries in Africa it has infected. They do not have the experience, infrastructure that prior places in Africa had. Because of the nature of their government, populace's living conditions, and medical knowledge/facilities it is expected to go much worse than in the past. That's why reasonable folks are preaching reason and let those who are willing to fix it fix it. Because if they do not fix it there. Yes, then we all might have something to worry about.
And all these please stay out of the public for 21 days and do not fly to Africa will hasten the ability for the disease in Africa to get out of control and to a point it might be able to be controlled. Do you really want to bring about what you fear most(Ebola in this country) by not allowing it to be quashed now when it still can be? (There are limited numbers of people with the skills and willingness to go fight this in Africa. Do you really want to drive the numbers down of people who are willing to go fight it or are you willing to have blind hope that no one from Africa will escape in that 21 day period and start spreading it in the US, Canada, Europe, Asia when African countries become fraught with Ebola. Its a global world. No one has the ability yet to protect all of their border all the time.)
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Post by justme on Oct 29, 2014 9:58:45 GMT -5
The problem is you and others are stirring fear instead of getting how easy this generally is to avoid AND that here in the US if caught early seems quite curable unlike AIDs.
If he is a day late in reporting it, it would be highly unlikely to have issues. When symptoms first start to show up the person is not very contagious. In fact, we currently have zero incidences of people contracting Ebola in this country from the early contagious stages.
Please stop using the word hubris though. It has been used incorrectly and weirdly both times I've seen you use it. Hubris equals false pride but usually in a way different context than you choose. The medical community is trying to be sane and reasonable. You and others are trying to spread fear and believe the issue is far worse than it is.
It reminds me of the AIDs hysteria. And just like AIDs it isn't that catching in the early stages and unlike AIDs it appears its deadliness in this country will continue to drop as we learn how to figure out what it is in the early stages. The mental anguish in the community is because they are so afraid they give into their stupidity. That is no way to conquer this at home or in Africa. There are germs that fly around you on a daily basis. Yet most of the time they do nothing. Usually it has to be a combination of your immune system being down AND a certain amount of contact. In the early stages there simply isn't enough of the Ebola present in small amounts of body fluids for people to contract the disease unless they are very very sick or perhaps they wallow in lots of body fluids from that individual.
These medical professionals would have to be roving around when they are vomiting and having diahrea(sp?) from the disease before it would be contagious on the level you are concerned about. That's way more than just a day and a dollar short. Plus how many people generally are roving the street when they are vomiting and living on the toilet? None that I know of, but YMMV.
lol, as you can see, I am not stirring any fear on the boards with anyone. Now Aids hysteria was wrong? Give me a break. Tell that to the people who contacted Aids from transfusions because the medical community missed the transmission capabilities in the beginning, as well as people with Aids not disclosing they had the disease when giving blood. Not the doctor's fault per se, as they did not know and understand the disease, but it did not stop the transmission to people in need of transfusions. I believe some hysteria was rather understandable at the time. Sorry, based on everyone here, and and now Aids hysteria being wrong, I am done with the thread. I will no bother anyone on this issue any longer.
You do realize this isn't the beginning of Ebola right? Well, unless you count 40 years after it was discovered still the beginning.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 29, 2014 10:17:36 GMT -5
The interesting thing about ebola and HIV is both diseases probably passed from monkey to man by man eating bush meat.
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Post by Opti on Oct 29, 2014 10:38:13 GMT -5
My take is scared citizens are saying we are terrified of getting Ebola. So much so, we are willing to do almost anything to someone else to stop us for possibly maybe being exposed.
So far, I think only one person may have been stupid which was the nurse who flew on the plane. Those who have Fearbola of course will count differently. After all, what can be too high a cost to protect you when its other people's time, money and lives?
How much money are you willing to send your state government and federal government for all this unnecessary expense?
wrong The doctor in NYC should not have been out and about. This is stupid, until they are 110% sure they do not have the disease. This is simple. If you want to flaunt yourself, other people down the pike pay the price for you. If medical professionals are this loose with their actions, it is only a matter of time before someone is infected with the disease before they are a day past infectious contagion before they self report.
According to all known measures, you are incorrect about the disease. Unless infected individuals start roving the streets vomiting on people and not letting them know what kind of infection they have, there will be no people down the pike to pay any kind of price.
They have not been loose with their actions yet, because none of them so far have been sick enough to do so. And given they are medical professionals and don't like dying anymore than you do, they are going to get treatment before those later stages, because then a cure is much harder to come by then. I think if you have watched people die from this, you probably have a heightened sense of when to panic versus the general public.
Its simple. You can be controlled by your fears which so far have been proven to be totally unfounded or you can create your own emergency Ebola action kit to carry with you. Water to wash off any unknown vomit that hits you and perhaps a mask to wear if you want to give in to your fears. Print out the symptoms, post in your home.
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Post by Opti on Oct 29, 2014 10:40:15 GMT -5
The interesting thing about ebola and HIV is both diseases probably passed from monkey to man by man eating bush meat. I thought it was bats in the case of Ebola. I suppose monkeys might eat infected bats as well.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 10:41:56 GMT -5
Obama aside, does anyone else wonder how is that HEALTH WORKERS are getting infected? Shouldn't they be the ones who know the BEST way NOT to get infected? There is very little hope left for regular people if doctors and nurses can't handle the situation. Doctors and Nurses are people. People make mistakes. it's not only that. if you read the articles (i am sure SOME people here do this) you will discover that aid workers do their best with limited resources. this SOMETIMES includes not having proper safety gear. but they put themselves at risk because they believe in what they are doing. they try to not make UNNECESSARY risks, but sometimes, they take risks. that doesn't mean their knowledge is inadequate. it just so happens that in third world s(*tholes like Liberia, you sometimes get into situations that are not ideal from a Western perspective. if the US and other nations would put MORE RESOURCES toward this problem, you would see LESS PROBLEM.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 10:44:20 GMT -5
My take is scared citizens are saying we are terrified of getting Ebola. So much so, we are willing to do almost anything to someone else to stop us for possibly maybe being exposed.
So far, I think only one person may have been stupid which was the nurse who flew on the plane. Those who have Fearbola of course will count differently. After all, what can be too high a cost to protect you when its other people's time, money and lives?
How much money are you willing to send your state government and federal government for all this unnecessary expense?
wrong The doctor in NYC should not have been out and about. This is stupid, until they are 110% sure they do not have the disease. This is simple. If you want to flaunt yourself, other people down the pike pay the price for you. If medical professionals are this loose with their actions, it is only a matter of time before someone is infected with the disease before they are a day past infectious contagion before they self report.
i fervently disagree. he should be MONITORED FOR SYMPTOMS for 21 days, not quarantined. this means checking in for MONITORING every 12-24 hours. IF he or she shows signs THEN he should be quarantined. NOTE: this is precisely the protocol that the CDC recommends, as of today.
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Post by Opti on Oct 29, 2014 10:44:31 GMT -5
It will work out, I think that's what the fearful are missing about Ebola. It isn't brand new and unknown. There have been multiple outbreaks over decades plus the understanding of the disease has progressed greatly.
I think its fantastic that if caught at the right time it may turn out to be 100% curable. To me, that should reduce fear.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 10:46:10 GMT -5
So the current tally is 12,469 recent flu deaths to 1 Ebola death. Got it- quaking in my boots.
No one noticing that the people here are surviving with the right care- except for the man who was misdiagnosed? So far the Ebola survival rate here is pretty good. Just out of curiosity, when was your start date for counting flu deaths? Since the first case of Ebola here in the states? Not trying to argue here, just wondered when the stat was date was established.
And I understand when one has the flu they are to stay home too, but alas, many do not.
the H1N1 pandemic was 2009-2010.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 10:48:45 GMT -5
Wrong. Unless and until the doctor was actually symptomatic he has every right to go about his business. He's not going to infect anyone unless he has symptoms. A fever isn't going to infect anyone. It's a sign he needs to go to the hospital to be checked for the virus and remain under quarantine until diagnosed, or cleared. That's what he did. Wrong. If he is a day late and a dollar short before reporting, we do not have just an "incident". We have multiple infections, and probably thousands of people reporting they do. please don't exaggerate. it doesn't really help your argument. the average infection rate PER EBOLA VICTIM is 3 persons in 21 days. i have a hard time getting to "thousands" from ONE victim in 21 days using geometric progression. it would take HUNDREDS of ebola victims to do that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 10:50:44 GMT -5
Wrong. If he is a day late and a dollar short before reporting, we do not have just an "incident". We have multiple infections, and probably thousands of people reporting they do. An oz of prevention (staying home) prevents it. Severe lack of hubris being committed by the medical community. Practice the motto "do no harm" in this case, mental anguish of your community.
You have to remember that even once you are symptomatic, it is going to be hard to transmit the disease by normal activity. You only get really contagious once you are really sick and probably bed ridden. If you check your temperature each day and get a blood test if you see a rise in your body temperature this should suffice; but I can see having mandatory self monitoring ordered for individuals that have been in contact with ebola patients this is precisely where i see this argument ending. and, just as it happens, it is the CURRENT CDC RECOMMENDATION.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 29, 2014 10:52:33 GMT -5
The interesting thing about ebola and HIV is both diseases probably passed from monkey to man by man eating bush meat. I thought it was bats in the case of Ebola. I suppose monkeys might eat infected bats as well.
Semi-correction on my part. Yes. Bats carry it and infect fruit. Humans and monkeys eat the fruit. Humans kill, handle blood of and eat the monkeys (bush meat) of which some may be infected with ebola.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 10:55:30 GMT -5
VB, I'm sorry you choose to interpret my words with your meaning not mine. Being upset, warranted. Hysteria, generally unwarranted because that implies unthinking uncontrolled fear.
What *I* was referring to was the hysteria of not letting AIDs victims move about in society which later did happen as people became aware of what was safe and what was not. Yes blood transfusions were an issue just like they were for other things like Mad Cow disease.
The take away should be the disease is becoming more understood and its been around for decades. Its not new and so unknown so the terror people have is yes unreasonable hysteria. The take away should be things like guess what, here in America it will be harder to get because we have knowledge of how its spread and most of us will choose not to muck with very sick people's bodily fluids if they have Ebola. Just like AIDs in that respect. The outbreak is worse now, according to what I have read, because of the countries in Africa it has infected. They do not have the experience, infrastructure that prior places in Africa had. Because of the nature of their government, populace's living conditions, and medical knowledge/facilities it is expected to go much worse than in the past. That's why reasonable folks are preaching reason and let those who are willing to fix it fix it. Because if they do not fix it there. Yes, then we all might have something to worry about.
And all these please stay out of the public for 21 days and do not fly to Africa will hasten the ability for the disease in Africa to get out of control and to a point it might be able to be controlled. Do you really want to bring about what you fear most(Ebola in this country) by not allowing it to be quashed now when it still can be? (There are limited numbers of people with the skills and willingness to go fight this in Africa. Do you really want to drive the numbers down of people who are willing to go fight it or are you willing to have blind hope that no one from Africa will escape in that 21 day period and start spreading it in the US, Canada, Europe, Asia when African countries become fraught with Ebola. Its a global world. No one has the ability yet to protect all of their border all the time.) the sad part is that we absolutely have the financial and human resources to fix this problem in Africa. sitting idly by or arguing about domestic protocol at this juncture is horribly self centered and ultimately counterproductive, imo.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 10:57:04 GMT -5
lol, as you can see, I am not stirring any fear on the boards with anyone. Now Aids hysteria was wrong? Give me a break. Tell that to the people who contacted Aids from transfusions because the medical community missed the transmission capabilities in the beginning, as well as people with Aids not disclosing they had the disease when giving blood. Not the doctor's fault per se, as they did not know and understand the disease, but it did not stop the transmission to people in need of transfusions. I believe some hysteria was rather understandable at the time. Sorry, based on everyone here, and and now Aids hysteria being wrong, I am done with the thread. I will no bother anyone on this issue any longer.
You do realize this isn't the beginning of Ebola right? Well, unless you count 40 years after it was discovered still the beginning. another thing to realize is that: no known human virus in the history of virology has ever changed it's transmission method.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 29, 2014 11:01:08 GMT -5
It will work out, I think that's what the fearful are missing about Ebola. It isn't brand new and unknown. There have been multiple outbreaks over decades plus the understanding of the disease has progressed greatly.
I think its fantastic that if caught at the right time it may turn out to be 100% curable. To me, that should reduce fear. i am also encouraged by what i see as some "sensible debate" coming forward. for example, i have read THREE TIMES in the last week this argument about NOT inhibiting people from volunteering to go to Africa. it is a very reasonable, rational argument, and it is great to see it in print, and part of the debate. so, now we can CHOOSE between a fearful, isolationist, and ultimately counterproductive argument, and a rational, interventionist, ultimately productive one.
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Post by lynnerself on Oct 29, 2014 11:18:23 GMT -5
And now this of course: Bellevue Workers, Worn Out From Treating Ebola Patient, Face Stigma Outside Hospital
Bellevue’s medical director, Dr. Nate Link, said more than a dozen employees — not limited to those taking care of Dr. Spencer — had reported being discriminated against, including not being welcome at a business or social event. One employee lost a teaching position, he said.
Some nurses who moonlight at other jobs have been told they are not needed there, according to the New York State Nurses Association, a union. One nurse said her child was not allowed to go to day care. “These are obviously related to irrational fears in the community,” Dr. Link said.
But sometimes the snubbing is taking place inside their own workplace. Nurses treating Dr. Spencer were in tears at a meeting this week as they complained about being shunned by other staff members in the elevators,
www.nytimes.com/2014/10/30/nyregion/bellevue-workers-worn-out-from-treating-ebola-patient-face-stigma-outside-hospital.html?_r=0
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 29, 2014 11:21:33 GMT -5
It will work out, I think that's what the fearful are missing about Ebola. It isn't brand new and unknown. There have been multiple outbreaks over decades plus the understanding of the disease has progressed greatly.
I think its fantastic that if caught at the right time it may turn out to be 100% curable. To me, that should reduce fear. Yes, I'd like to think that as we have tiny occurrences in various modern areas around the US and the world, that people's panic factor will ease because they will see that it (a) is not very easy to catch, (b) is not communicable by casual contact nor while a person is asymptomatic, and (c) has a high recovery rate in modern settings. The biggest problem the US currently has with ebola is that the people in charge on state/local levels are trying to keep their jobs, and so are feeding the hysteria instead of trying to reduce it with logic and science and calm response.
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