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Post by Value Buy on Oct 28, 2014 12:58:57 GMT -5
Yes, dj, I've been following it. The nurse is a female - and a red-haired one, at that. She's mad as hell and I don't blame her! She had a porta-potty. Lovely. No shower. Even more lovely. No television. Let's cut 'em off from the outside world! Right! She did have her smart phone, thankfully. She insisted on taking it with her into the bloody tent! now i am getting why she was outraged. i would be too. this is doing damage to the effort, folks. time to stop. There is another 2 pages for me to read yet, so this might have been covered already...... This nurse is complaining about no television and heat, and yet she had internet, so she had tv, just no 50 inch big screen, and hospital said there was hvac for the tent. My question is, how were the facilities in Africa? Were they put up in the Hilton while there? Were they living like kings and queens? Give me a freaking break. If they want to complain, at least be humble and not a prima donna.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 28, 2014 13:11:03 GMT -5
New Jersey isn't West Africa, Value Buy. A US citizen doesn't expect to find West African level accomodation once they arrive back home. There is nothing prima donna about not wanting to be housed in a tent outside the hospital with no shower and a porta potty.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 28, 2014 13:12:04 GMT -5
This nurse is complaining about no television and heat, and yet she had internet, so she had tv, just no 50 inch big screen, and hospital said there was hvac for the tent
She talked them into letting her keep her smart phone, that's how she had internet access.
Have you ever been in paper clothes? Those are freaking uncomfortable. They itch and don't breathe because they are lined in plastic.
The difference for the rest is that she CHOOSE to go to Africa, knowing that the conditions would be sparse. She did not imagine that she would be quarantined for no reason in conditions that were likely worse than those in Africa. A porta-potty? Really? No facilities to wash up?
Why don't you google her facilities and tell me how much you'd like to use a porta potty for 3 days with no chance to shower.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 28, 2014 13:33:02 GMT -5
This nurse is complaining about no television and heat, and yet she had internet, so she had tv, just no 50 inch big screen, and hospital said there was hvac for the tentShe talked them into letting her keep her smart phone, that's how she had internet access. Have you ever been in paper clothes? Those are freaking uncomfortable. They itch and don't breathe because they are lined in plastic. The difference for the rest is that she CHOOSE to go to Africa, knowing that the conditions would be sparse. She did not imagine that she would be quarantined for no reason in conditions that were likely worse than those in Africa. A porta-potty? Really? No facilities to wash up? Why don't you google her facilities and tell me how much you'd like to use a porta potty for 3 days with no chance to shower. I thought she handled it pretty well given what she was being put through for no medical reason. I mean, what medical reason was there to not let her keep her own clothing or provide her with at least some basic standard clothing while perfectly healthy and with no symptoms? This woman, like other volunteers who are actively fighting this disease, should be hailed as a hero for actually doing something instead of just sitting around yacking about it on the internet. Instead, she was treated like a criminal when she'd done nothing wrong. Well, not even that good because criminals are allowed showers and are given information on what's being done with them. And they get due process.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 28, 2014 13:51:33 GMT -5
This nurse is complaining about no television and heat, and yet she had internet, so she had tv, just no 50 inch big screen, and hospital said there was hvac for the tentShe talked them into letting her keep her smart phone, that's how she had internet access. Have you ever been in paper clothes? Those are freaking uncomfortable. They itch and don't breathe because they are lined in plastic. The difference for the rest is that she CHOOSE to go to Africa, knowing that the conditions would be sparse. She did not imagine that she would be quarantined for no reason in conditions that were likely worse than those in Africa. A porta-potty? Really? No facilities to wash up? Why don't you google her facilities and tell me how much you'd like to use a porta potty for 3 days with no chance to shower. I thought she handled it pretty well given what she was being put through for no medical reason. I mean, what medical reason was there to not let her keep her own clothing or provide her with at least some basic standard clothing while perfectly healthy and with no symptoms? This woman, like other volunteers who are actively fighting this disease, should be hailed as a hero for actually doing something instead of just sitting around yacking about it on the internet. Instead, she was treated like a criminal when she'd done nothing wrong. Well, not even that good because criminals are allowed showers and are given information on what's being done with them. And they get due process. No one is claiming she is not a hero. We have had three heroes so far, that have not been careful in their movements and actions. Government is finally listening to the citizens saying, if heroes do not know how to act, then maybe they have to be shown the error in their ways, and tell them to slow down and be careful in their actions.
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Post by Opti on Oct 28, 2014 13:55:41 GMT -5
now i am getting why she was outraged. i would be too. this is doing damage to the effort, folks. time to stop. There is another 2 pages for me to read yet, so this might have been covered already...... This nurse is complaining about no television and heat, and yet she had internet, so she had tv, just no 50 inch big screen, and hospital said there was hvac for the tent. My question is, how were the facilities in Africa? Were they put up in the Hilton while there? Were they living like kings and queens? Give me a freaking break. If they want to complain, at least be humble and not a prima donna.
Its an interesting point of view. I personally don't think where you came from should determine whether you should expect decent treatment at your destination or not. Also having the Internet is not quite the same as having TV. I don't know for example whether it is possible to subscribe to local news shows. At best, I've only watched posted snippets of various 6 or 10PM newscasts.
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Post by Opti on Oct 28, 2014 14:06:31 GMT -5
I thought she handled it pretty well given what she was being put through for no medical reason. I mean, what medical reason was there to not let her keep her own clothing or provide her with at least some basic standard clothing while perfectly healthy and with no symptoms? This woman, like other volunteers who are actively fighting this disease, should be hailed as a hero for actually doing something instead of just sitting around yacking about it on the internet. Instead, she was treated like a criminal when she'd done nothing wrong. Well, not even that good because criminals are allowed showers and are given information on what's being done with them. And they get due process. No one is claiming she is not a hero. We have had three heroes so far, that have not been careful in their movements and actions. Government is finally listening to the citizens saying, if heroes do not know how to act, then maybe they have to be shown the error in their ways, and tell them to slow down and be careful in their actions.
My take is scared citizens are saying we are terrified of getting Ebola. So much so, we are willing to do almost anything to someone else to stop us for possibly maybe being exposed.
So far, I think only one person may have been stupid which was the nurse who flew on the plane. Those who have Fearbola of course will count differently. After all, what can be too high a cost to protect you when its other people's time, money and lives?
How much money are you willing to send your state government and federal government for all this unnecessary expense?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 28, 2014 14:09:14 GMT -5
No one is claiming she is not a hero.We have had three heroes so far, that have not been careful in their movements and actions.Government is finally listening to the citizens saying, if heroes do not know how to act, then maybe they have to be shown the error in their ways, and tell them to slow down and be careful in their actions.What part of not being contagious until you show signs of the disease do you not understand? Even if someone goes about their business and does get sick, UNTIL they get sick they cannot spread the disease. theconversation.com/why-people-without-symptoms-arent-going-to-give-you-ebola-33500?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest+from+The+Conversation+for+28+October+2014+-+2025&utm_content=Latest+from+The+Conversation+for+28+October+2014+-+2025+CID_2cf2a170d90a9e64da85752d494e7838&utm_source=campaign_monitor_uk&utm_term=once%20symptoms%20showHere are some facts, so you might want to get your information correct before you go off and make statements that are correct. Why people without symptoms aren’t going to give you Ebola:
Fear of Ebola has put many on high alert and there is increasing anxiety about the possibility of individuals with minimal exposure and no symptoms introducing the virus into communities – people such as Craig Spencer, the doctor who contracted Ebola while working in Guinea who then went bowling and rode the subway in New York before exhibiting symptoms.
Fear has kept people away from school and work, despite reassurances from the World Health Organisation (WHO) and the American Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that someone with Ebola becomes contagious only once they develop symptoms.
In light of this, it is worthwhile explaining the data behind these assurances, which the WHO and CDC haven’t done, to make clear why we are so confident that people without symptoms can’t give you Ebola.
The Kikwit outbreak
There are five different known types of ebolavirus (the genus), including Zaire ebolavirus, which is behind the 2014 outbreak in West Africa. The best epidemiological data on Ebola virus (the disease) transmission comes from the 1995 outbreak in Kikwit, in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, which was caused by the same species as the current epidemic.
The Kikwit outbreak marked the first appearance of EBOV since its initial discovery in 1976, and a team from the CDC and WHO extensively studied what interactions, and when, led to EBOV transmission. The team followed 173 household members of 27 active cases until the end of the outbreak. They were able to identify who became sick and which interactions between sick people and their family members during the incubation period, early illness, and late illness were associated with transmission.
The biggest risk factors for becoming infected with Ebola virus, identified in the 1995 outbreak, and outbreaks in 1979 and a different species in 2000-2001, are direct physical contact with a sick person, primarily with bodily fluids such as blood, vomit, diarrhoea, and later in the disease, sweat and saliva. Ebola virus can survive outside the body for anywhere from hours to days, depending on the environmental conditions such as dampness and exposure to sunlight. Therefore, infection by contact with objects contaminated with bodily fluids is also theoretically possible, but is likely to be rare in practice.
During the Kikwit outbreak, 95 family members of the 27 cases had direct physical contact with someone who was actually sick, and 28 of these individuals became sick with Ebola themselves. Of the 78 family members who did not have direct physical contact with a sick person, none got Ebola. Among these 78 were family members who had extensive contact with infected individuals during the incubation period, including such close interactions such as touching and sharing a bed.
We also have data on virus levels in the blood that suggests people aren’t contagious before they are symptomatic. As the most infectious fluids are blood and vomit, the amount of virus in these fluids is a critical factor in whether an infected person can transmit the virus.
During the 2000-2001 outbreak the virus was often just barely detectable at the first sign of symptoms and in other cases wasn’t detectable until two or three days later.
We understand this to be true in West Africa today as well. Our tests are extremely sensitive, and it’s clear that little virus is present in the blood when symptoms appear and even less during the incubation period, explaining why we aren’t able to diagnose people during this time.
Without these high levels of virus in the blood and other fluids, it is exceedingly unlikely that someone would be contagious.
To be fair, however, we never say never in biology and we can’t prove a negative, so no experiment could tell us that transmission during the incubation period is truly impossible. But what we do know is that it doesn’t seem to happen in past or current outbreaks and is biologically implausible. Rather than panic about getting Ebola from a seemingly uninfected neighbour, we should focus on isolating people at the first sign of symptoms so that when they do get sicker and become highly contagious, they aren’t in a position to infect anyone else.
In light of Dallas nurse Amber Vinson’s recent travel on a commercial airline with a mild fever before she was diagnosed (now Ebola-free), many people want to know whether individuals in the early stage of the disease – say with just a fever – are contagious. School districts and employers have been treating Pham’s fellow airline passengers as being at risk of disease and as potential transmitters, but should they be?
The answer is almost certainly no. Levels of virus in the blood increase rapidly following the onset of symptoms, but at this early stage people aren’t vomiting or bleeding, which would expose those around them to potentially infectious fluids, and onward transmission.
While it’s true that virus can be found in fluids such as saliva and sweat, this mostly occurs later in disease, when the individual would be hospitalised. During the 1995 outbreak having a conversation, sharing a meal and sharing a bed with people in the early stage of disease were not associated with becoming infected oneself.
Later in the disease this changes, but it seems clear that slightly sick people aren’t much of a risk to those around them. Anecdotally, we also now know that the family of Thomas Eric Duncan, the man who contracted Ebola in Liberia and was later cared for by Vinson and Nina Pham, remained healthy despite being in an apartment with him for the first several days of his illness.
Knowing this, we shouldn’t be barring people with no direct exposure from school, or work. It’s not “an abundance of caution” to do this, it’s harmful. Unless you sat next to the sick nurse on that plane, your exposure was almost zero. If you did, you’re still almost certainly fine. If you had contact with her before she was sick, you definitely are. Still, it’s natural to worry, which is why we need to stop the epidemic in West Africa, mostly for them, but also so we can stop worrying about Ebola virus here at home.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 28, 2014 14:25:59 GMT -5
I thought she handled it pretty well given what she was being put through for no medical reason. I mean, what medical reason was there to not let her keep her own clothing or provide her with at least some basic standard clothing while perfectly healthy and with no symptoms? This woman, like other volunteers who are actively fighting this disease, should be hailed as a hero for actually doing something instead of just sitting around yacking about it on the internet. Instead, she was treated like a criminal when she'd done nothing wrong. Well, not even that good because criminals are allowed showers and are given information on what's being done with them. And they get due process. No one is claiming she is not a hero. We have had three heroes so far, that have not been careful in their movements and actions. Government is finally listening to the citizens saying, if heroes do not know how to act, then maybe they have to be shown the error in their ways, and tell them to slow down and be careful in their actions.
She was never given a chance to even choose to be responsible. She was dragged away at the airport. She committed no crime, but she was incarcerated based on the perceived actions of others, according to you. Is this how you feel a hero should be treated? Not even given clothing to wear although they've personally done nothing wrong? ETA: I say 'perceived' because the other health workers did nothing wrong either. They self-monitored while not contagious and reported all symptoms as per what the experts call for as appropriate monitoring. If the CDC made a bad judgement call on letting Amber Vinson fly, that's not anyone else's fault.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 28, 2014 14:28:15 GMT -5
No one is claiming she is not a hero. We have had three heroes so far, that have not been careful in their movements and actions. Government is finally listening to the citizens saying, if heroes do not know how to act, then maybe they have to be shown the error in their ways, and tell them to slow down and be careful in their actions.
My take is scared citizens are saying we are terrified of getting Ebola. So much so, we are willing to do almost anything to someone else to stop us for possibly maybe being exposed.
So far, I think only one person may have been stupid which was the nurse who flew on the plane. Those who have Fearbola of course will count differently. After all, what can be too high a cost to protect you when its other people's time, money and lives?
How much money are you willing to send your state government and federal government for all this unnecessary expense?
My take is that politicians are facing an election season and want to be seen as acting aggressively and 'leaderlike'.
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Post by Opti on Oct 28, 2014 14:30:47 GMT -5
My take is scared citizens are saying we are terrified of getting Ebola. So much so, we are willing to do almost anything to someone else to stop us for possibly maybe being exposed.
So far, I think only one person may have been stupid which was the nurse who flew on the plane. Those who have Fearbola of course will count differently. After all, what can be too high a cost to protect you when its other people's time, money and lives?
How much money are you willing to send your state government and federal government for all this unnecessary expense?
My take is that politicians are facing an election season and want to be seen as acting aggressively and 'leaderlike'. I suppose that works if most of your supporters are fearful versus the thinking types who work on being informed.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 28, 2014 14:31:51 GMT -5
My take is that politicians are facing an election season and want to be seen as acting aggressively and 'leaderlike'. I suppose that works if most of your supporters are fearful versus the thinking types who work on being informed.
Politicians often work on the lowest common denominator rather than trying to elevate the discussion.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 28, 2014 14:36:18 GMT -5
I thought she handled it pretty well given what she was being put through for no medical reason. I mean, what medical reason was there to not let her keep her own clothing or provide her with at least some basic standard clothing while perfectly healthy and with no symptoms? This woman, like other volunteers who are actively fighting this disease, should be hailed as a hero for actually doing something instead of just sitting around yacking about it on the internet. Instead, she was treated like a criminal when she'd done nothing wrong. Well, not even that good because criminals are allowed showers and are given information on what's being done with them. And they get due process. No one is claiming she is not a hero. We have had three heroes so far, that have not been careful in their movements and actions. Government is finally listening to the citizens saying, if heroes do not know how to act, then maybe they have to be shown the error in their ways, and tell them to slow down and be careful in their actions.
When you've actually given care, in less than adequate conditions) to people very, very sick with infectious disease, I'll be more than happy to read you telling us all about it and what everybody else is doing wrong. Until then, you don't have the foggiest idea what the hell you're talking about.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 28, 2014 14:38:29 GMT -5
My take is scared citizens are saying we are terrified of getting Ebola. So much so, we are willing to do almost anything to someone else to stop us for possibly maybe being exposed.
So far, I think only one person may have been stupid which was the nurse who flew on the plane. Those who have Fearbola of course will count differently. After all, what can be too high a cost to protect you when its other people's time, money and lives?
How much money are you willing to send your state government and federal government for all this unnecessary expense?
My take is that politicians are facing an election season and want to be seen as acting aggressively and 'leaderlike'. You're probably right. I'd suggest, however, they actually lead instead of following every ignorant, panicky, misinformed idiot out there who's howling about his/her precious hide being in danger from asymptomatic people who had the courage and decency to try to help the sick.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 28, 2014 14:51:52 GMT -5
LOL, if the US troops who are returning from Africa were forced to live in paper scrubs and not given access to a shower, can you imagine how quickly the same people who've been decrying this nurse as a diva for daring to challenge her treatment would be shouting from the rooftops that the troops were being mistreated and deserved more dignity and support...?
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Post by The Captain on Oct 28, 2014 15:00:15 GMT -5
www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htmCDC Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Influenza Cases, Hospitalizations and Deaths in the United States During the pandemic, CDC provided estimates of the numbers of 2009 H1N1 cases, hospitalizations and deaths on seven different occasions. Final estimates were published in 2011. These final estimates were that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) occurred in the United States due to pH1N1. These final estimates are available at: Estimating the burden of 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1) in the United States (April 2009-April 2010), Shrestha SS, et al., Clin Infect Dis. 2011 Jan 1;52 Suppl 1:S75-82. Flu death rate = .02%... Ebola death rate = between 15% and 90% depending on the country. There is a very solid reason to fear Ebola more than the flu.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 28, 2014 15:04:51 GMT -5
www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htmCDC Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Influenza Cases, Hospitalizations and Deaths in the United States During the pandemic, CDC provided estimates of the numbers of 2009 H1N1 cases, hospitalizations and deaths on seven different occasions. Final estimates were published in 2011. These final estimates were that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) occurred in the United States due to pH1N1. These final estimates are available at: Estimating the burden of 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1) in the United States (April 2009-April 2010), Shrestha SS, et al., Clin Infect Dis. 2011 Jan 1;52 Suppl 1:S75-82. Flu death rate = .02%... Ebola death rate = between 15% and 90% depending on the country. There is a very solid reason to fear Ebola more than the flu. I don't think anyone has said Ebola is not a fearsome disease. Of course, it is! That doesn't, however, mean we should be running scared and hiding in our closets, or locking up people who have absolutely no symptoms of any illness, Ebola or otherwise. Panic is a heck of a lot more likely to get us into trouble than solid, rational reactions, planning, and doing everything we can to get this stuff stopped in West Africa where it's actually killing people. Discouraging those who would actually do that is certainly not the answer.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 28, 2014 15:04:55 GMT -5
And yet no reason to panic about either one of them.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 28, 2014 16:18:45 GMT -5
ValueBuy said: "No one is claiming she is not a hero. We have had three heroes so far, that have not been careful in their movements and actions. Government is finally listening to the citizens saying, if heroes do not know how to act, then maybe they have to be shown the error in their ways, and tell them to slow down and be careful in their actions." What part of not being contagious until you show signs of the disease do you not understand? Even if someone goes about their business and does get sick, UNTIL they get sick they cannot spread the disease. Everything.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 28, 2014 17:18:46 GMT -5
now i am getting why she was outraged. i would be too. this is doing damage to the effort, folks. time to stop. There is another 2 pages for me to read yet, so this might have been covered already...... This nurse is complaining about no television and heat, and yet she had internet, so she had tv, just no 50 inch big screen, and hospital said there was hvac for the tent. My question is, how were the facilities in Africa? Were they put up in the Hilton while there? Were they living like kings and queens? Give me a freaking break. If they want to complain, at least be humble and not a prima donna.
no running water, no phone, no internet, toilet = a suitcase, food = really lousy. but that is not the point at all. the point is "was it necessary?". the answer is NO.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 28, 2014 17:22:00 GMT -5
I thought she handled it pretty well given what she was being put through for no medical reason. I mean, what medical reason was there to not let her keep her own clothing or provide her with at least some basic standard clothing while perfectly healthy and with no symptoms? This woman, like other volunteers who are actively fighting this disease, should be hailed as a hero for actually doing something instead of just sitting around yacking about it on the internet. Instead, she was treated like a criminal when she'd done nothing wrong. Well, not even that good because criminals are allowed showers and are given information on what's being done with them. And they get due process. No one is claiming she is not a hero. We have had three heroes so far, that have not been careful in their movements and actions.
no. we have had three heroes so far that were all VERY careful in their movements and actions. if by heroes you mean people that are volunteering to fight this disease where it counts: in Africa.
Government is finally listening to the citizens saying, if heroes do not know how to act, then maybe they have to be shown the error in their ways, and tell them to slow down and be careful in their actions.
tell them whatever you like. but not at gunpoint.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 28, 2014 17:26:02 GMT -5
www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htmCDC Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Influenza Cases, Hospitalizations and Deaths in the United States During the pandemic, CDC provided estimates of the numbers of 2009 H1N1 cases, hospitalizations and deaths on seven different occasions. Final estimates were published in 2011. These final estimates were that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) occurred in the United States due to pH1N1. These final estimates are available at: Estimating the burden of 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1) in the United States (April 2009-April 2010), Shrestha SS, et al., Clin Infect Dis. 2011 Jan 1;52 Suppl 1:S75-82. Flu death rate = .02%... Ebola death rate = between 15% and 90% depending on the country. There is a very solid reason to fear Ebola more than the flu. not really. in one year, Ebola has infected 10k. H1N1 is approximately 6000x more communicable. if you multiply the flu death rate by 6000, you get 120%, which is about 2x as high as Ebola, which means that from an infectious disease standpoint, you are about 2x as likely to die from H1N1. that having been said, i remember the H1N1 hysterics. quite similar, if memory serves. particularly abroad.
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Post by EVT1 on Oct 28, 2014 19:28:26 GMT -5
So the current tally is 12,469 recent flu deaths to 1 Ebola death. Got it- quaking in my boots.
No one noticing that the people here are surviving with the right care- except for the man who was misdiagnosed? So far the Ebola survival rate here is pretty good.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 28, 2014 20:14:50 GMT -5
seems like a good way to fix this problem, actually. since people can't just be sensible, brave, and scientific, sue the shit out of them for being reactionary.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 28, 2014 21:11:10 GMT -5
I certainly can't say I blame the family. Ignorance often has a price.
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Post by Opti on Oct 28, 2014 21:18:04 GMT -5
I feel sorry for the little girl. I hope the family wins their lawsuit.
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Post by justme on Oct 28, 2014 22:01:47 GMT -5
I doubt it will be long before those in Texas file suit for having their worldly possessions burned for no reason. Not that it will bring anything back, but the government deserves to be bitch slapped upside the head for that.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 29, 2014 7:54:17 GMT -5
No one is claiming she is not a hero. We have had three heroes so far, that have not been careful in their movements and actions. Government is finally listening to the citizens saying, if heroes do not know how to act, then maybe they have to be shown the error in their ways, and tell them to slow down and be careful in their actions.
My take is scared citizens are saying we are terrified of getting Ebola. So much so, we are willing to do almost anything to someone else to stop us for possibly maybe being exposed.
So far, I think only one person may have been stupid which was the nurse who flew on the plane. Those who have Fearbola of course will count differently. After all, what can be too high a cost to protect you when its other people's time, money and lives?
How much money are you willing to send your state government and federal government for all this unnecessary expense?
wrong The doctor in NYC should not have been out and about. This is stupid, until they are 110% sure they do not have the disease. This is simple. If you want to flaunt yourself, other people down the pike pay the price for you. If medical professionals are this loose with their actions, it is only a matter of time before someone is infected with the disease before they are a day past infectious contagion before they self report.
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