mmhmm
Administrator
It's a great pity the right of free speech isn't based on the obligation to say something sensible.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 18:13:34 GMT -5
Posts: 31,770
Today's Mood: Saddened by Events
Location: Memory Lane
Favorite Drink: Water
|
Post by mmhmm on Oct 27, 2014 11:16:00 GMT -5
I can guarantee you I would NOT understand what's been done to this nurse. Governor Christie needs to reflect on what he's said through this. I can assure you, I could reflect for days and accomplish nothing other than to get more angry.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,445
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Oct 27, 2014 11:19:36 GMT -5
|
|
fairlycrazy23
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 27, 2010 23:55:19 GMT -5
Posts: 3,306
|
Post by fairlycrazy23 on Oct 27, 2014 11:20:14 GMT -5
Not that I necesarrily agree with quarantine, but isn't part of the issue with ebola is that that you can be asymptomatic for up to 21 days after exposure?
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,445
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Oct 27, 2014 11:24:50 GMT -5
Not that I necesarrily agree with quarantine, but isn't part of the issue with ebola is that that you can be asymptomatic for up to 21 days after exposure? if so, there is even LESS reason for quarantine.
|
|
Rocky Mtn Saver
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 23, 2010 9:40:57 GMT -5
Posts: 7,461
|
Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 27, 2014 11:26:33 GMT -5
Not that I necesarrily agree with quarantine, but isn't part of the issue with ebola is that that you can be asymptomatic for up to 21 days after exposure? After exposure, you will either develop or not develop the illness within 2-21 days. If you do have the virus, though, you're not contagious when you don't have symptoms.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,445
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Oct 27, 2014 11:29:40 GMT -5
Not that I necesarrily agree with quarantine, but isn't part of the issue with ebola is that that you can be asymptomatic for up to 21 days after exposure? After exposure, you will either develop or not develop the illness within 2-21 days. If you do have the virus, though, you're not contagious when you don't have symptoms. precisely.
|
|
justme
Senior Associate
Joined: Feb 10, 2012 13:12:47 GMT -5
Posts: 14,618
|
Post by justme on Oct 27, 2014 11:29:57 GMT -5
He's definitely . I love one of the campaign ads here talking about how he's been in three different political parties in 4 (6? something like that) years.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,445
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Oct 27, 2014 11:43:08 GMT -5
He's definitely . I love one of the campaign ads here talking about how he's been in three different political parties in 4 (6? something like that) years. i like the statements he has made about vote rigging: that he would rather have the GOP doing it than Democrats. that's a real winner.
|
|
|
Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 27, 2014 12:15:29 GMT -5
Christie is acting like an ass, and he needs to listen to his public health advisors. He is causing more problems than he is solving.
There was a comment in an article that was out last night that he and Cuomo had the foresight to quarantine early and ultimately the CDC would catch up.
Dumbass.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 64,436
|
Post by Tennesseer on Oct 27, 2014 12:31:28 GMT -5
Yes, she threatened to sue and got a lot of publicity about her conditions. I think that's why the governor backed down.
But if she is returning to her home state of Maine, can NY still enforce her quarantine or is she now under the laws of Maine?
And I wonder how she is traveling? There's sure to be a big fuss about that. She will probably travel by bus (as the lone passenger) to Fort Kent, Maine. That road trip will probably use up the remaining days of her quarantine period as Fort Kent is at the end of no where, miles past far from any where.
|
|
|
Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 27, 2014 13:17:27 GMT -5
How much do you want to bet that she receives a bill from the private ambulance company?
|
|
mmhmm
Administrator
It's a great pity the right of free speech isn't based on the obligation to say something sensible.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 18:13:34 GMT -5
Posts: 31,770
Today's Mood: Saddened by Events
Location: Memory Lane
Favorite Drink: Water
|
Post by mmhmm on Oct 27, 2014 13:27:07 GMT -5
How much do you want to bet that she receives a bill from the private ambulance company? I'd send that bill directly to the governor's office if it were me.
|
|
lynnerself
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 3, 2011 11:42:29 GMT -5
Posts: 4,166
|
Post by lynnerself on Oct 27, 2014 13:36:51 GMT -5
|
|
mmhmm
Administrator
It's a great pity the right of free speech isn't based on the obligation to say something sensible.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 18:13:34 GMT -5
Posts: 31,770
Today's Mood: Saddened by Events
Location: Memory Lane
Favorite Drink: Water
|
Post by mmhmm on Oct 27, 2014 13:49:32 GMT -5
Good grief! This is not only damned stupid, it's damned costly, too! Puleeeeze, people! Use your freakin' heads!
|
|
lynnerself
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 3, 2011 11:42:29 GMT -5
Posts: 4,166
|
Post by lynnerself on Oct 27, 2014 13:58:16 GMT -5
Now the military too. Oct 27 (Reuters) - The U.S. military was isolating personnel returning from their mission to help West African countries curb Ebola even though they showed no sign of infection.
The decision by the Pentagon goes well beyond previously established military protocols and came just as the White House pushed to roll back steps by U.S. states to quarantine healthcare workers returning from the three countries at the center of the Ebola epidemic even if they were asymptomatic.
The U.S. Army has already isolated about a dozen soldiers at part of a U.S. military base in Vicenza, Italy, including Major General Darryl Williams, who oversaw the military's initial response to the Ebola outbreak in West Africa.
Dozens more will be isolated in the coming days as they rotate out of West Africa, where the military has been building infrastructure to help health authorities treat Ebola victims, the Pentagon said.
Colonel Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, said, "There was no single triggering event. This is really a decision that's made out of an abundance of caution."www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/27/health-ebola-usa-idUSL1N0SM0Q420141027
|
|
NastyWoman
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 20:50:37 GMT -5
Posts: 14,833
|
Post by NastyWoman on Oct 27, 2014 14:20:28 GMT -5
How much do you want to bet that she receives a bill from the private ambulance company? I'd send that bill directly to the governor's office if it were me. ...steamed open and reclosed after I wrote on it "oops, I was not wearing a HazMat suit when I opened this bill. Please put yourself, your coworkers, and your family, in voluntary quarantine asap."
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,445
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Oct 27, 2014 15:35:03 GMT -5
Now the military too. Oct 27 (Reuters) - The U.S. military was isolating personnel returning from their mission to help West African countries curb Ebola even though they showed no sign of infection.
The decision by the Pentagon goes well beyond previously established military protocols and came just as the White House pushed to roll back steps by U.S. states to quarantine healthcare workers returning from the three countries at the center of the Ebola epidemic even if they were asymptomatic.
The U.S. Army has already isolated about a dozen soldiers at part of a U.S. military base in Vicenza, Italy, including Major General Darryl Williams, who oversaw the military's initial response to the Ebola outbreak in West Africa.
Dozens more will be isolated in the coming days as they rotate out of West Africa, where the military has been building infrastructure to help health authorities treat Ebola victims, the Pentagon said.
Colonel Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, said, "There was no single triggering event. This is really a decision that's made out of an abundance of caution."www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/27/health-ebola-usa-idUSL1N0SM0Q420141027there is that abundance of caution thing again. i can feel the hair rising on the back of my neck every time i read it, now.
|
|
|
Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 27, 2014 15:49:58 GMT -5
Considering she was quarantined in New Jersey, I doubt it.
|
|
mmhmm
Administrator
It's a great pity the right of free speech isn't based on the obligation to say something sensible.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 18:13:34 GMT -5
Posts: 31,770
Today's Mood: Saddened by Events
Location: Memory Lane
Favorite Drink: Water
|
Post by mmhmm on Oct 27, 2014 16:09:30 GMT -5
Now the military too. Oct 27 (Reuters) - The U.S. military was isolating personnel returning from their mission to help West African countries curb Ebola even though they showed no sign of infection.
The decision by the Pentagon goes well beyond previously established military protocols and came just as the White House pushed to roll back steps by U.S. states to quarantine healthcare workers returning from the three countries at the center of the Ebola epidemic even if they were asymptomatic.
The U.S. Army has already isolated about a dozen soldiers at part of a U.S. military base in Vicenza, Italy, including Major General Darryl Williams, who oversaw the military's initial response to the Ebola outbreak in West Africa.
Dozens more will be isolated in the coming days as they rotate out of West Africa, where the military has been building infrastructure to help health authorities treat Ebola victims, the Pentagon said.
Colonel Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, said, "There was no single triggering event. This is really a decision that's made out of an abundance of caution."www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/27/health-ebola-usa-idUSL1N0SM0Q420141027there is that abundance of caution thing again. i can feel the hair rising on the back of my neck every time i read it, now. As can I, dj. It's not an abundance of caution. It's an abundance of idiocy brought on by a panic-stricken public howling at the proverbial moon! The sky is falling! Well, then ... get the hell in your house and out of the way, Chicken Little! Isolate yourself. That way you're safe from all the asymptomatic people wandering about.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 64,436
|
Post by Tennesseer on Oct 27, 2014 16:10:09 GMT -5
Now the military too. Oct 27 (Reuters) - The U.S. military was isolating personnel returning from their mission to help West African countries curb Ebola even though they showed no sign of infection.
The decision by the Pentagon goes well beyond previously established military protocols and came just as the White House pushed to roll back steps by U.S. states to quarantine healthcare workers returning from the three countries at the center of the Ebola epidemic even if they were asymptomatic.
The U.S. Army has already isolated about a dozen soldiers at part of a U.S. military base in Vicenza, Italy, including Major General Darryl Williams, who oversaw the military's initial response to the Ebola outbreak in West Africa.
Dozens more will be isolated in the coming days as they rotate out of West Africa, where the military has been building infrastructure to help health authorities treat Ebola victims, the Pentagon said.
Colonel Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, said, "There was no single triggering event. This is really a decision that's made out of an abundance of caution."www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/27/health-ebola-usa-idUSL1N0SM0Q420141027there is that abundance of caution thing again. i can feel the hair rising on the back of my neck every time i read it, now. I wonder if the reason is that they are being isolated on Italian soil and not U.S. soil. Italy may have said 'OK as long as you keep them isolated'.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 64,436
|
Post by Tennesseer on Oct 27, 2014 16:13:11 GMT -5
By the way; isn't Vicenza, Italy where the poster imanangel's husband and family are based? imanangel?
|
|
Angel!
Senior Associate
Politics Admin
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 11:44:08 GMT -5
Posts: 10,722
|
Post by Angel! on Oct 27, 2014 18:04:55 GMT -5
Now the military too. Oct 27 (Reuters) - The U.S. military was isolating personnel returning from their mission to help West African countries curb Ebola even though they showed no sign of infection.
The decision by the Pentagon goes well beyond previously established military protocols and came just as the White House pushed to roll back steps by U.S. states to quarantine healthcare workers returning from the three countries at the center of the Ebola epidemic even if they were asymptomatic.
The U.S. Army has already isolated about a dozen soldiers at part of a U.S. military base in Vicenza, Italy, including Major General Darryl Williams, who oversaw the military's initial response to the Ebola outbreak in West Africa.
Dozens more will be isolated in the coming days as they rotate out of West Africa, where the military has been building infrastructure to help health authorities treat Ebola victims, the Pentagon said.
Colonel Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, said, "There was no single triggering event. This is really a decision that's made out of an abundance of caution."www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/27/health-ebola-usa-idUSL1N0SM0Q420141027The military thing doesn't so much bother me. They have the infrastructure to do so, they are paying these guys either way (unless in reserves), & if you are military you expect time away from family.
Plus, I would expect members of the military not to necessarily be quite as proactive in checking for symptoms upon return or to be as familiar with protective equipment that might be needed while there. At least in compared to nurses & doctors that have a high level of first hand knowledge of the disease. From what I understand the military is sending in people to build the infrastructure needed to deal with this crisis, not medical personal. Let's face it, unless I am confused on who they are sending, some of these people are likely young, straight out of high-school enlisted folks. Basically the age prone to be stupid & f'up. The guys that joined "to blow shit up" & that the army has to protect against payday loans & such.
Not to put down the military. My ex was in the military & I know many still in the military. But, as a result I have also met many of the straight out of highschool guys that join the army & I don't need them wandering around in denial about their fever or not even bothering to check for a fever daily.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,445
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Oct 27, 2014 18:17:28 GMT -5
there is that abundance of caution thing again. i can feel the hair rising on the back of my neck every time i read it, now. I wonder if the reason is that they are being isolated on Italian soil and not U.S. soil. Italy may have said 'OK as long as you keep them isolated'. Italy. the birthplace of fascism.
|
|
Opti
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 10:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 42,233
Location: New Jersey
Mini-Profile Name Color: c28523
Mini-Profile Text Color: 990033
|
Post by Opti on Oct 27, 2014 18:19:59 GMT -5
Now the military too. Oct 27 (Reuters) - The U.S. military was isolating personnel returning from their mission to help West African countries curb Ebola even though they showed no sign of infection.
The decision by the Pentagon goes well beyond previously established military protocols and came just as the White House pushed to roll back steps by U.S. states to quarantine healthcare workers returning from the three countries at the center of the Ebola epidemic even if they were asymptomatic.
The U.S. Army has already isolated about a dozen soldiers at part of a U.S. military base in Vicenza, Italy, including Major General Darryl Williams, who oversaw the military's initial response to the Ebola outbreak in West Africa.
Dozens more will be isolated in the coming days as they rotate out of West Africa, where the military has been building infrastructure to help health authorities treat Ebola victims, the Pentagon said.
Colonel Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, said, "There was no single triggering event. This is really a decision that's made out of an abundance of caution."www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/27/health-ebola-usa-idUSL1N0SM0Q420141027there is that abundance of caution thing again. i can feel the hair rising on the back of my neck every time i read it, now. I hope abundance of caution really means we are acting irresponsibly because we feel it is cheaper and easier than the pr war we think we are winning by doing this.
Sadly I read NY, FL, NJ and IL all voted for mandatory quarantine in a week or two old Time magazine. I suspect knee jerk reactions based on all of them have major airports.
|
|
EVT1
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 30, 2010 16:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 8,596
|
Post by EVT1 on Oct 27, 2014 19:17:33 GMT -5
Voted for? I thought these yahoos were acting unilaterally.
Actually putting it to a vote might even be worse- we would have Ebola camps in no time to stick anyone with a fever, or eff it anyone that looks ill. Governor cheeseburger is already making medical decisions sans any medical training.
|
|
imanangel
Well-Known Member
Joined: Jun 8, 2014 12:18:00 GMT -5
Posts: 1,042
|
Post by imanangel on Oct 27, 2014 23:57:26 GMT -5
By the way; isn't Vicenza, Italy where the poster imanangel's husband and family are based? imanangel? Yes, we are here.
|
|
imanangel
Well-Known Member
Joined: Jun 8, 2014 12:18:00 GMT -5
Posts: 1,042
|
Post by imanangel on Oct 28, 2014 0:15:36 GMT -5
Now the military too. Oct 27 (Reuters) - The U.S. military was isolating personnel returning from their mission to help West African countries curb Ebola even though they showed no sign of infection.
The decision by the Pentagon goes well beyond previously established military protocols and came just as the White House pushed to roll back steps by U.S. states to quarantine healthcare workers returning from the three countries at the center of the Ebola epidemic even if they were asymptomatic.
The U.S. Army has already isolated about a dozen soldiers at part of a U.S. military base in Vicenza, Italy, including Major General Darryl Williams, who oversaw the military's initial response to the Ebola outbreak in West Africa.
Dozens more will be isolated in the coming days as they rotate out of West Africa, where the military has been building infrastructure to help health authorities treat Ebola victims, the Pentagon said.
Colonel Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, said, "There was no single triggering event. This is really a decision that's made out of an abundance of caution."www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/27/health-ebola-usa-idUSL1N0SM0Q420141027The military thing doesn't so much bother me. They have the infrastructure to do so, they are paying these guys either way (unless in reserves), & if you are military you expect time away from family.
Plus, I would expect members of the military not to necessarily be quite as proactive in checking for symptoms upon return or to be as familiar with protective equipment that might be needed while there. At least in compared to nurses & doctors that have a high level of first hand knowledge of the disease. From what I understand the military is sending in people to build the infrastructure needed to deal with this crisis, not medical personal. Let's face it, unless I am confused on who they are sending, some of these people are likely young, straight out of high-school enlisted folks. Basically the age prone to be stupid & f'up. The guys that joined "to blow shit up" & that the army has to protect against payday loans & such.
Not to put down the military. My ex was in the military & I know many still in the military. But, as a result I have also met many of the straight out of highschool guys that join the army & I don't need them wandering around in denial about their fever or not even bothering to check for a fever daily.
As young and immature as some of them are, I agree with you. I swear that during the height of the wars, they recruited anyone with a pulse. Other than that, I can't really say much about the mission. I "think" that isolation was something that was decided in order to keep the Italian government happy, but I don't know that for sure. It could also be that spouses and the non military community have caught the paranoia and started demanding it. I honestly don't know. The last InfoX we had said that the guys wouldn't be quarantined, and now suddenly they are.
|
|
haapai
Junior Associate
Character
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 20:40:06 GMT -5
Posts: 5,980
|
Post by haapai on Oct 28, 2014 10:08:43 GMT -5
Considering how bad the guys in the military were about taking their antimalarials the last time that they were in Monrovia, it might be darned convenient to quarantine them. This way, they can be forced to take their remaining meds and they won't cause the same type of kerfluffle that the patient at Methodist (probably) did last week.
It's kinda ironic. It used to be impossible to be diagnosed with malaria because few stateside docs were willing to consider it or order a test. Now it's hard to get diagnosed with malaria because in the presence of a West African connection they can't test for it without either first getting a negative Ebola test or treating the sample with same anti-infection protocols that they use with suspected Ebola cases.
|
|
973beachbum
Senior Associate
Politics Admin
Joined: Dec 17, 2010 16:12:13 GMT -5
Posts: 10,501
|
Post by 973beachbum on Oct 28, 2014 11:25:53 GMT -5
I have a question that I doubt anyone here can answer but I have a question. Who the heck is paying for all this?!?!?!? How many people are locked inside hospitals because of an abudance of caution? I know when I worked at an insurance company we wouldn't have paid a bill for that reason when the person wasn't actually ill. And the nurse kept in a tent in the parking lot should get to whack Gov Christy with a baseball bat. She was kept in the parking lot in NJ in Oct wearing a paper gown. Just thinking of that and I have smoke coming out my ears! Do you guys realize how cold it got during the night? I don't think convicted prisoners would be allowed to be treated that way.
|
|
Rocky Mtn Saver
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 23, 2010 9:40:57 GMT -5
Posts: 7,461
|
Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 28, 2014 12:46:49 GMT -5
Considering how bad the guys in the military were about taking their antimalarials the last time that they were in Monrovia, it might be darned convenient to quarantine them. This way, they can be forced to take their remaining meds and they won't cause the same type of kerfluffle that the patient at Methodist (probably) did last week. It's kinda ironic. It used to be impossible to be diagnosed with malaria because few stateside docs were willing to consider it or order a test. Now it's hard to get diagnosed with malaria because in the presence of a West African connection they can't test for it without either first getting a negative Ebola test or treating the sample with same anti-infection protocols that they use with suspected Ebola cases. When they first announced the additional fever screening at the airports, I remember the CDC guy saying up front that all it was really going to do was catch a bunch of people who had malaria. Because it's much more likely that they're coming back from Africa with fever from malaria rather than fever from ebola.
|
|