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Post by marjar on Mar 2, 2011 10:47:38 GMT -5
NASHVILLE, Tennessee — Tennessee is considering making it a felony to follow some versions of the Islamic code known as Shariah, the most severe measure yet put forth by a national movement whose members believe extremist Muslims want Shariah to supersede the Constitution. The bill would face steep constitutional hurdles if enacted. Nevertheless, it represents the boldest legislative attempt yet to limit how Muslims worship. Backers of bill include conservatives with ties to opponents of a planned Islamic center two blocks from New York City's World Trade Center site and efforts to expand a mosque 30 miles (48 kilometers) southeast of Nashville. Muslim groups fear the measure would outlaw central tenets of Islam, such as praying five times a day toward Mecca, abstaining from alcohol and fasting for Ramadan. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41858892/ns/us_news/
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 10:53:26 GMT -5
Seems a little extreme, no?
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 2, 2011 11:09:50 GMT -5
Seems a little extreme, no? IMHO, a waste of time. Most (all?) US States already have laws against the violent or abusive portions of Sharia Law.. Nobody will be legally stoned to death for adultery in the US. Not to mention enforcement of sharia law would violate the whole concept of separation of church and state.
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Post by swamp on Mar 2, 2011 11:10:50 GMT -5
Some asshole representative looking to make a name for themselves...............
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 2, 2011 11:37:00 GMT -5
NASHVILLE, Tennessee — Tennessee is considering making it a felony to follow some versions of the Islamic code known as Shariah, the most severe measure yet put forth by a national movement whose members believe extremist Muslims want Shariah to supersede the Constitution. The bill would face steep constitutional hurdles if enacted. Nevertheless, it represents the boldest legislative attempt yet to limit how Muslims worship. Backers of bill include conservatives with ties to opponents of a planned Islamic center two blocks from New York City's World Trade Center site and efforts to expand a mosque 30 miles (48 kilometers) southeast of Nashville. Muslim groups fear the measure would outlaw central tenets of Islam, such as praying five times a day toward Mecca, abstaining from alcohol and fasting for Ramadan. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41858892/ns/us_news/If the law is passed it would probably be overturned as unconstitutional. The Muslim groups' fear the law would outlaw praying five times a day, fasting for Ramadan, etc. is rather irrational thinking IMHO. Reminds me of some who say if gay marriage is legalized churches will be forced to perform gay marriages in their houses of worship even though they believe gay marriage and homosexuality is sinful.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Mar 2, 2011 11:41:56 GMT -5
...imo, lots of knee-jerk reactionary legislation has been passed lately... SCOTUS can't hear them all...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 2, 2011 12:11:09 GMT -5
We actually need a federal law banning Sharia, and if necessary-- a Constitutional amendment. Sharia is antithetical to our values, it should have no force of law anywhere, and any judge that considers Sharia in a US court should be arrested and jailed. Period. No apologies. No excuses.
Another example of why Newt is ahead of the curve:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 12:21:43 GMT -5
We actually need a federal law banning Sharia, and if necessary-- a Constitutional amendment. Sharia is antithetical to our values, it should have no force of law anywhere, and any judge that considers Sharia in a US court should be arrested and jailed. Period. No apologies. No excuses. Another example of why Newt is ahead of the curve: that seems a little extreme. And changing the Constitution? UnAmerican!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 2, 2011 12:22:19 GMT -5
For those with whom I normally disagree- I want to ask you to PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE listen to Newt's speech in its entirety. PLEASE listen to the New Jersey Case, and the Student case in MN, and PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not have your normal knee jerk reaction to Newt, to me, or to "the right".
This is a VERY SERIOUS issue that REQUIRES YOUR ATTENTION, and THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION.
We can't have judges in our country refusing to grant a violent man's wife a restraining order, or ruling in his favor that somehow he is justified in severely beating and raping his wife daily for months on end because "That's his interpretation of his religion"...and this isn't an exaggeration-- this is a judge's ruling in New Jersey.
In fact, if you're not going to be fully engaged in the topic-- my suggestion is you ignore this entire thread and just move on. There's no room for partisanship here, and there's even less room for outright stupidity. This is war. This is for our survival- not for our nation's survival, but our physical existence. Take it seriously, or don't expect me to bother to discuss it with you.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 2, 2011 12:23:43 GMT -5
Listen to it, Arch. Your response is EXACTLY what I was talking about. It's not extreme at all, it's very thoughtful, very reasonable, and very necessary. You just didn't listen to it, so you're completely uninformed on the issue.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Mar 2, 2011 12:25:30 GMT -5
<<< And changing the Constitution? UnAmerican! >>>
...I thought that was the genius of the U.S. Constitution... that it could be changed... didn't you see Joe Pesci's monologue in "With Honors"?
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 2, 2011 12:31:15 GMT -5
Right, we're totally going to force Muslims to drink beer and make them eat during Ramadan! LOL!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 12:31:26 GMT -5
Listen to it, Arch. Your response is EXACTLY what I was talking about. It's not extreme at all, it's very thoughtful, very reasonable, and very necessary. You just didn't listen to it, so you're completely uninformed on the issue. Listen to what? I read your post.
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Post by Small Biz Owner on Mar 2, 2011 12:33:57 GMT -5
Before you decide about Shariah law you should read it about some of it. <<I had to live Islam. In my youth and young adulthood in Iran, I lived through thousands of days when political Islam shed blood. Since 1979, a hundred thousand men, women and children have been executed in the name of Allah. I have lived through years of assassination of infidels, apostates and opponents of the Islamic republic inside and outside Iran. Years of suppression of women and brutal treatment of those women who resisted the misery of mandatory Hijab and the rule of sexual apartheid. I, along with thousands of non - believers and political prisoners, was tortured by order of the representative of Allah and Sharia; tortured, while the verses of the Koran about non-believers were played in the torture chambers. The voice reading the Koran was mixed with our cries of pain from lashes and other brutal forms of torture.>. <<Non-believers - atheists under Islam do not have "the right to life ". They are to be killed. According to Islamic culture, sins are divided into great sins and little sins. Among the seventeen great sins, unbelief is the greatest, more heinous than murder, theft, adultery and so on.>> Here is your link to a woman who grew up Muslim ..... and barely escaped. www.iheu.org/node/1540
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 2, 2011 12:43:58 GMT -5
Should Muslims in the United States be allowed to practice Sharia law regarding civil matters (divorce, family law, etc.) as an option to using secular courts as Jews are currently allowed to practice Beth Din or Jewish Law (since 1960) regarding civil matters?
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 2, 2011 12:46:38 GMT -5
Should Muslims in the United States be allowed to practice Sharia law regarding civil matters (divorce, family law, etc.) as an option to using secular courts as Jews are currently allowed to practice Beth Din or Jewish Law (since 1960) regarding civil matters?
Should muslim men be allowed to beat their wifes? I do not believe Judaism promotes wife beating.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 2, 2011 12:51:20 GMT -5
abstaining from alcohol
That is a laugh. Those hypocrites can drink with the best of them. I also have stated numerous times that their encroachment should be taken extremely seriously. It is truly frustrating to continually see liberals blow off this threat as if Muslims had no ulterior motive to spread Islam throughout the west and eventually the entire world. It is their sole purpose to life, that is a fact they even openly admit yet still we have naive fools who cling to their puzzling ideology of "freedom of religion". The newsflash for them is that Islam is not just a religion. It is also movement to attain world dominance. There would be zero chance of this happening if liberals did not provide the vehicle for their entry to the west. That is why I believe at some point they must also be considered the enemy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 12:53:59 GMT -5
abstaining from alcohol There would be zero chance of this happening if liberals did not provide the vehicle for their entry to the west. That is why I believe at some point they must also be considered the enemy. Dalton McGuinty Burns III At least there are some sane people still in this world.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 2, 2011 12:57:01 GMT -5
abstaining from alcohol That is a laugh. Those hypocrites can drink with the best of them. I also have stated numerous times that their encroachment should be taken extremely seriously. It is truly frustrating to continually see liberals blow off this threat as if Muslims had no ulterior motive to spread Islam throughout the west and eventually the entire world. It is their sole purpose to life, that is a fact they even openly admit yet still we have naive fools who cling to their puzzling ideology of "freedom of religion". The newsflash for them is that Islam is not just a religion. It is also movement to attain world dominance. There would be zero chance of this happening if liberals did not provide the vehicle for their entry to the west. That is why I believe at some point they must also be considered the enemy. Dalton McGuinty Burns III
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 12:59:35 GMT -5
abstaining from alcohol That is a laugh. Those hypocrites can drink with the best of them. And I am sure there are no Catholics that eat meat on Friday.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 2, 2011 13:05:47 GMT -5
And I am sure there are no Catholics that eat meat on Friday.
I believe that "requirement" no longer exists. But then again, I am an ungodly and heathen fellow.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 2, 2011 13:06:11 GMT -5
And I am sure there are no Catholics that eat meat on Friday.
Maybe I shouldn't have included that so as to avoid the typical liberal response of bringing up other religions and whatever shortcomings their followers may have. How about we stick to the issue which is Muslims, their encroachment to the west and how liberals are aiding in their quest of world dominance....
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 2, 2011 13:07:17 GMT -5
Should Muslims in the United States be allowed to practice Sharia law regarding civil matters (divorce, family law, etc.) as an option to using secular courts as Jews are currently allowed to practice Beth Din or Jewish Law (since 1960) regarding civil matters? Should muslim men be allowed to beat their wifes? I do not believe Judaism promotes wife beating. You consider beating your wife a civil matter? I always thought beating anyone was a criminal matter. Who knew!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 13:10:08 GMT -5
Tenn,
Have you stopped beating your wife?
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 2, 2011 13:14:08 GMT -5
Tenn, Have you stopped beating your wife? Archie-that's simply a stupid question not worthy of a response. I expected better from you.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 2, 2011 13:15:49 GMT -5
You consider beating your wife a civil matter? I always thought beating anyone was a criminal matter. Who knew!
I am not married, nor have I ever laid a hand on a female.
Shariah law allows this, which is my take away from some of the posts on this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 13:16:16 GMT -5
Tenn, Have you stopped beating your wife? Archie-that's simply a stupid question not worthy of a response. I expected better from you. ROFL. So can we assume you haven't?
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Post by henryclay on Mar 2, 2011 13:17:21 GMT -5
Seems we need another exposure to the muslim conerstone. Here is one, with multiple others on the same link:
Go Tennessee state legislature!! Go Newt!! Go Bridgett!!
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 2, 2011 13:22:32 GMT -5
Again, big discrepencies between Beth Din and Sharia, though I wouldn't expect a moral relativist with a dislike of Jews to understand or admit that. Most Beth Din arbitration is around what is or is not compliant with kashrut (Jewish dietary laws). This includes arbitrating inspections of kosher food facilities and certifying inspectors. This is a complex and sometimes arduous process. Beth Din also arbitrates the requirements for getting a Jewish divorce (a "get") and arbitrating questions of Jewish heritage. One key component of Beth Din, missing in Sharia, is that arbitration findings must be compliant and enforceable by the standards of American law: www.bethdin.org/docs/PDF2-Rules_and_Procedures.pdf
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Mar 2, 2011 13:23:15 GMT -5
This measure is unconstitutional. Maybe we could outlaw Shariah in criminal cases, but I don't even thing that is necessary because it effectively already is we are not going to condone wife beating or honor killings even if we allow Shariah law in civil matters so this seem like a big waste of time.
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