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Post by Tiny on Oct 2, 2014 16:17:16 GMT -5
Which is why she shouldn't be letting in people from Liberia.... once again, playing Rocky's line of thinking: a plane arrives in Houston from Brussels. it has someone on it with Ebola symptoms. what happens next? turn the plane around? make it sit on the tarmac for 21 days? I'm not sure what good just refusing people from the 3 countries would do... Africa has very porous borders... someone with exposure from Ebola could be on a plane to the US from just about any country. Yeah, they'd get asked about their "country of origin" but they could lie. We can't really stop all international flights from everywhere can we? Gosh, what if someone flies into Canada (from one of the hot spots) and then hops a bus or a rental car and crosses the border into America and then a few days later developes symptoms of illness.... I kinda hate myself for saying this but it sounds like the hardest hit Ebola populations are pretty poor. They aren't necessarily booking passage on flights to other countries. So far the cases of Ebola that have 'traveled' seems to have been with someone who's had contact with the poorer areas... YEah, lots of people who have $$ usually have a poorer background that sometimes go home to. I feel bad for people who are afraid to go home - even as their relatives are dying...
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 2, 2014 16:18:13 GMT -5
once again, playing Rocky's line of thinking: a plane arrives in Houston from Brussels. it has someone on it with Ebola symptoms. what happens next? turn the plane around? make it sit on the tarmac for 21 days? Just to clarify, that would be very unlikely to happen, as authorities are doing screening for symptoms on both ends of flights these days. thanks. but still, the question stands. if, by some misfortune, somebody DID end up in a US airport with this horrible disease, what then?
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 2, 2014 16:19:13 GMT -5
once again, playing Rocky's line of thinking: a plane arrives in Houston from Brussels. it has someone on it with Ebola symptoms. what happens next? turn the plane around? make it sit on the tarmac for 21 days? I'm not sure what good just refusing people from the 3 countries would do... Africa has very porous borders... someone with exposure from Ebola could be on a plane to the US from just about any country. Yeah, they'd get asked about their "country of origin" but they could lie. We can't really stop all international flights from everywhere can we? Gosh, what if someone flies into Canada (from one of the hot spots) and then hops a bus or a rental car and crosses the border into America and then a few days later developes symptoms of illness.... I kinda hate myself for saying this but it sounds like the hardest hit Ebola populations are pretty poor. They aren't necessarily booking passage on flights to other countries. So far the cases of Ebola that have 'traveled' seems to have been with someone who's had contact with the poorer areas... YEah, lots of people who have $$ usually have a poorer background that sometimes go home to. I feel bad for people who are afraid to go home - even as their relatives are dying... the guy who original spread Ebola to Nigeria was an American/Liberian businessman.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 2, 2014 16:26:11 GMT -5
I see less and less reason for people to comply with 'stay home' orders with things like this going on. Great job health department. I'm sure if they weren't sick before you locked them in their apartment with Ebola bedding, there's a good chance they are now. Breakingnews.com said that the health department began providing food and cleaning the apartment. And it sounds like the family knew enough not to touch the bedding since the 28th and to at least isolate other used linens.
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Post by haapai on Oct 2, 2014 17:04:53 GMT -5
It's not the linens that I'd be worried about. Those are easy to avoid. It's the bathroom. That's hard to avoid for two days.
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Post by Tiny on Oct 2, 2014 17:09:47 GMT -5
It's not the linens that I'd be worried about. Those are easy to avoid. It's the bathroom. That's hard to avoid for two days. Yeah, that. I'm betting atleast a couple of the people that spent days with him in the apartment are going to get sick. I doubt they will spread it to anyone else...
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 2, 2014 17:11:50 GMT -5
It's not the linens that I'd be worried about. Those are easy to avoid. It's the bathroom. That's hard to avoid for two days. Sadly true. Perhaps they were not using it. The news did say that they were leaving the home, which is why it put further measures into place.
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Post by haapai on Oct 2, 2014 17:19:31 GMT -5
There's at least one child in that apartment. That child may have been kept away from Mr. Duncan while he was expelling bodily fluids. But then the public health department ordered that child to stay in that contaminated environment.
I can't believe this. How could we do this? How could we be so insanely clueless?
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 2, 2014 17:26:35 GMT -5
There's at least one child in that apartment. That child may have been kept away from Mr. Duncan while he was expelling bodily fluids. But then the public health department ordered that child to stay in that contaminated environment. I can't believe this. How could we do this? How could we be so insanely clueless? It may not be exactly that. According to NBC News, these 4 children are being voluntarily quarantined in a different apartment. Duncan's girlfriend and 3 other adults, not the children, are listed as being in the apartment where he was staying and appear to be the subjects under involuntary quarantine. www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-patient-thomas-eric-duncans-family-frets-about-hugs-kisses-n217041The stepdaughter of Texas Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan says she's worried about the kisses and hugs her children gave him over the weekend — even though he wasn't secreting any bodily fluids and had the strength to walk to the ambulance under his own steam. Youngor Jallah spoke with NBC News by phone from the Dallas apartment where she, her husband and four young children are voluntarily quarantined — taking their temperature twice daily and looking for possible symptoms of the deadly virus.
"I'm a little scared," said her 11-year-old son, Joe-Joe.
No one in the home has shown any symptoms said Jallah, whose mother is Duncan's longtime girlfriend and is under quarantine in a different apartment where Duncan was staying. But they all had plenty of contact with the Liberian national who was diagnosed with the virus after being admitted to the hospital on Sunday. ""I'm worried because my kids would hug him," she said, adding that she had no fear for her own health because "I had no contact with any fluids."
A neighbor reported that Duncan was "throwing up all over the place" as he was bundled into an ambulance, but Jallah said he was not bleeding or having secretions on Sunday and walked to the ambulance. Jallah said she is the one who called for the ambulance and told the paramedics he was from a "virus zone" and should be checked for Ebola and cautioned them to put on masks. She expressed anger that the hospital had failed to test Duncan for Ebola when he went to the emergency room two days earlier.
Jallah's mother, Louis Troh, was ordered by state official to stay in her apartment — along with three other people, including her brother and a cousin — according to another daughter, Mawhen Jallah. The American Red Cross delivered food to that apartment on Thursday afternoon, and someone came out to retrieve it.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 2, 2014 17:44:21 GMT -5
Sadly, it occurs to me that the fact that Mr. Duncan embraced and kissed what are esssentially his step-granchildren would indicate to me that the really believed he didn't have the disease, either by denial or ignorance.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 2, 2014 19:29:20 GMT -5
But he lied when he filled out his health form and now Liberia wants him.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 2, 2014 19:32:33 GMT -5
Wouldn't their passports say where they'd been? Mine does.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 2, 2014 19:48:52 GMT -5
Wouldn't their passports say where they'd been? Mine does. i think we know his route. he went through Belgium, i believe.
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Post by b2r on Oct 2, 2014 22:39:47 GMT -5
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 3, 2014 9:43:49 GMT -5
Yack. I can't believe they took no precautions even at that hospital in Dallas. Yikes.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 3, 2014 10:01:50 GMT -5
Yack. I can't believe they took no precautions even at that hospital in Dallas. Yikes. but Rick Perry says that Texas is state of the art in disease control. go figure.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 3, 2014 10:12:02 GMT -5
Yeah, right. Im sure there are excellent facilities in Texas. They were one of the first to do heart transplants but we've been in ER way too many times lately and know that not always the brightest bulbs are working. One night I was sure we got everyone that graduated BOTTOM of their class. But then again, one time I'm sure we got everyone that graduated TOP of class but there are procedures you follow and the nurse sure didnt follow them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 3, 2014 11:35:47 GMT -5
Yeah, right. Im sure there are excellent facilities in Texas. They were one of the first to do heart transplants but we've been in ER way too many times lately and know that not always the brightest bulbs are working. One night I was sure we got everyone that graduated BOTTOM of their class. But then again, one time I'm sure we got everyone that graduated TOP of class but there are procedures you follow and the nurse sure didnt follow them. their news conference the other day, where they took all of SIX QUESTIONS and then refused to take any more was not especially reassuring.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 3, 2014 12:16:54 GMT -5
Uh oh
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 3, 2014 12:46:47 GMT -5
there have been zero known cases of Ebola in Nigeria in five weeks.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 3, 2014 12:54:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I'm not all that worried about Ebola, actually. I'm more worried about the entovirus going around because I have a five year old. My whole family has been rotating illnesses since the start of the school year. 500 cases, and counting, i believe. and yes, that worries me more, as well.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 3, 2014 13:05:19 GMT -5
I, too, am a great deal more concerned about the currently circulating enterovirus. It's downright nasty and the little ones with existing respiratory ailments (like asthma) don't have that much reserve to tap.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 3, 2014 13:19:03 GMT -5
DS has exercise induced asthma and DH has an auto-immune mediated disorder that can be triggered by respiratory viruses so the flu and enterovirus are much larger concerns for us. I can certainly understand that, Anne! Wash those hand until they're fallin' off, girl, and try not to go into crowds of folks any more often than you must until this mess dies down.
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Post by Angel! on Oct 3, 2014 15:44:17 GMT -5
I am more concerned about enterovirus as well. My whole family has asthma problems with myself & DS on daily meds. That would be a really bad one for us to get.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 18:01:37 GMT -5
I'm in now. The CDC talks like because we can't eliminate the threat we can't make any effort to minimize it. It has a 70% mortality rate. It's not something I want to watch my family, friends, neighbors die of.
"Ms Greening said the stark prediction by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that Ebola cases could reach 1.4 million by January highlighted the need for rapid action.
The number of people infected with Ebola is doubling every 20 to 30 days, and aid agencies said that the situation on the ground was dire.
David MacDonald, Oxfam’s regional director for West Africa, said: “Ebola is consuming whole communities. We are seeing them absolutely torn apart as a result of the disease. Many areas have been forced into quarantine – the streets are completely deserted. The need to break the spread of Ebola is absolutely key.
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/ebola-virus-pandemic-should-be-treated-the-same-way-as-threat-posed-by-nuclear-weapons-security-officials-say-9771219.html
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 3, 2014 19:09:41 GMT -5
I'm in now. The CDC talks like because we can't eliminate the threat we can't make any effort to minimize it. It has a 70% mortality rate. It's not something I want to watch my family, friends, neighbors die of.
"Ms Greening said the stark prediction by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that Ebola cases could reach 1.4 million by January highlighted the need for rapid action.
The number of people infected with Ebola is doubling every 20 to 30 days, and aid agencies said that the situation on the ground was dire.
David MacDonald, Oxfam’s regional director for West Africa, said: “Ebola is consuming whole communities. We are seeing them absolutely torn apart as a result of the disease. Many areas have been forced into quarantine – the streets are completely deserted. The need to break the spread of Ebola is absolutely key.
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/ebola-virus-pandemic-should-be-treated-the-same-way-as-threat-posed-by-nuclear-weapons-security-officials-say-9771219.html
i am not sure this analysis works in western countries. at all. and the cure rate is way higher if you get to it early- dehydration is the #1 cause of death.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 19:24:34 GMT -5
In some places as high as 90% mortality. Even if it was 50 % here because of whatever, a coin toss. No thanks. Keep out.
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Post by haapai on Oct 3, 2014 19:38:10 GMT -5
We're currently running a 60% survival rate among US cases. Three have recovered, two are in hospital. A sixth is in the process of being transported here.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if see US mortality rates under 20% as long as we detect it early and no pregnant women are infected.
A lot of the folks that you are considering banning are US citizens. Dual US/Liberian citizenship is extremely common.
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Post by Tiny on Oct 3, 2014 20:01:47 GMT -5
I'm in now. The CDC talks like because we can't eliminate the threat we can't make any effort to minimize it. It has a 70% mortality rate. It's not something I want to watch my family, friends, neighbors die of.
"Ms Greening said the stark prediction by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that Ebola cases could reach 1.4 million by January highlighted the need for rapid action.
The number of people infected with Ebola is doubling every 20 to 30 days, and aid agencies said that the situation on the ground was dire.
David MacDonald, Oxfam’s regional director for West Africa, said: “Ebola is consuming whole communities. We are seeing them absolutely torn apart as a result of the disease. Many areas have been forced into quarantine – the streets are completely deserted. The need to break the spread of Ebola is absolutely key.
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/ebola-virus-pandemic-should-be-treated-the-same-way-as-threat-posed-by-nuclear-weapons-security-officials-say-9771219.html
Maybe you need to read something like this account from the NYtimes: www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/world/africa/ebola-spreading-in-west-africa.html?_r=0
They aren't living in the same world we are - I hazard a guess that the people in the poorest American towns/cities or rural areas are many steps ahead of the people effected by ebola.
I'm NOT saying we won't have cases of ebola here (and very probably some deaths) but I highly doubt your friends and neighbors will die from it - much less come in contact with it... unless perhaps you live in an area with a lot of enclaves of people from other countries AND you personally know a lot of people who work in healthcare. Even then I doubt your friends and neighbors will become sick much less die from ebola.
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