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Post by The Captain on Oct 15, 2014 8:29:46 GMT -5
mmhmm - EVERY hospital has very poor protocols in place. Otherwise we wouldn't have people getting secondary infections while hospitalized.
The train I ride in on every day has a connecting stop from O'Hare airport. O'Hare is the fifth busiest international airport in the nation.
No, I do not want the US allowing travelers from hot zones to fly in. Call me selfish or stupid, but hell - if (supposedly) trained healthcare workers are getting infected despite knowing they are in a hot zone themselves, then what chance do the rest of us have of avoiding exposure?
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 15, 2014 8:37:14 GMT -5
mmhmm - EVERY hospital has very poor protocols in place. Otherwise we wouldn't have people getting secondary infections while hospitalized. The train I ride in on every day has a connecting stop from O'Hare airport. O'Hare is the fifth busiest international airport in the nation. No, I do not want the US allowing travelers from hot zones to fly in. Call me selfish or stupid, but hell - if (supposedly) trained healthcare workers are getting infected despite knowing they are in a hot zone themselves, then what chance do the rest of us have of avoiding exposure? Health care workers are the most exposed people to this virus, by their very nature. Mr. Duncan does not appear to have exposed anyone in his family or his community, which is great! That's your chance of avoiding exposure, since you asked. Health care workers working directly with bodily fluids (especially when the patient is at its most contagious) are a whole different thing than you riding the same train car.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 15, 2014 8:37:43 GMT -5
mmhmm - EVERY hospital has very poor protocols in place. Otherwise we wouldn't have people getting secondary infections while hospitalized. The train I ride in on every day has a connecting stop from O'Hare airport. O'Hare is the fifth busiest international airport in the nation. No, I do not want the US allowing travelers from hot zones to fly in. Call me selfish or stupid, but hell - if (supposedly) trained healthcare workers are getting infected despite knowing they are in a hot zone themselves, then what chance do the rest of us have of avoiding exposure? That's not completely true, Captain. Many hospitals have excellent protocols in place but the staff tends to sluff it off and not follow those protocols. That's the human tendency to think: "It can't happen to me". We had top-notch protocols. I would have felt quite confident to take an Ebola patient into our ICU; however, one cannot control another individual's sloppiness. If the protocols are up to snuff and the needed equipment is available, those who follow protocols to the letter will be just fine. From what I'm reading, this hospital did not have the proper equipment on hand to deal with true contact isolation. That's unthinkable!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 15, 2014 8:45:36 GMT -5
This case could not have been prevented by not allowing infected people into this country because there was no way to know Mr. Duncan was infected when he boarded the plane that brought him here. It was through his infection that this person was infected. I read this morning that the hospital where Mr. Duncan was treated had very poor protocols in place. That's on the hospital and definitely needs to be addressed. It's not just Ebola that endangers health care workers in a hospital system, and it's not just Ebola that can be passed on. No excuse for not having the best infection prevention and isolation protocols in place in every hospital! Which is why I said we shouldn't be allowing anyone in from the effected countries...because clearly screening them does jack shit.
Based on what I have been reading, the poor protocols are not isolated to this hospital.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 15, 2014 8:53:12 GMT -5
This case could not have been prevented by not allowing infected people into this country because there was no way to know Mr. Duncan was infected when he boarded the plane that brought him here. It was through his infection that this person was infected. I read this morning that the hospital where Mr. Duncan was treated had very poor protocols in place. That's on the hospital and definitely needs to be addressed. It's not just Ebola that endangers health care workers in a hospital system, and it's not just Ebola that can be passed on. No excuse for not having the best infection prevention and isolation protocols in place in every hospital! Which is why I said we shouldn't be allowing anyone in from the effected countries...because clearly screening them does jack shit.
Based on what I have been reading, the poor protocols are not isolated to this hospital.
I don't believe anyone who has had contact with someone stricken with Ebola should be allowed into this country, either. I do believe we should allow US citizens to return to this country for treatment if they are stricken. Those are our own. I believe in taking care of our own. YMMV I didn't say poor protocols are isolated to the Dallas hospital. I said MOST hospitals have excellent protocols. It's up to the staff to follow those protocols to the letter. If they don't, they put themselves and others at risk. I've read many people here talking about how it's up to you to be proactive in your own health care. It's up to medical staff to do the same. If your hospital doesn't have excellent protocols and the right equipment available for contact isolation, that's a lousy hospital and the staff should be raising Cain. The staff at this hospital is doing so.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 15, 2014 8:53:47 GMT -5
This case could not have been prevented by not allowing infected people into this country because there was no way to know Mr. Duncan was infected when he boarded the plane that brought him here. It was through his infection that this person was infected. I read this morning that the hospital where Mr. Duncan was treated had very poor protocols in place. That's on the hospital and definitely needs to be addressed. It's not just Ebola that endangers health care workers in a hospital system, and it's not just Ebola that can be passed on. No excuse for not having the best infection prevention and isolation protocols in place in every hospital! Which is why I said we shouldn't be allowing anyone in from the effected countries...because clearly screening them does jack shit.
Based on what I have been reading, the poor protocols are not isolated to this hospital.
While I understand the urge to just shut the doors, any meaningful travel ban would require huge international coordination, reliance on imperfect humans and imperfect uncoordinated systems to maintain, and still wouldn't prevent people from exiting or entering countries through non-legitimate (including counterfeit travel documents) or non-covered means. People would begin to actively hide that they are from affected areas. It would also likely throw affected countries into further economic or political problems, destabilizing them and forcing citizens to spread to other countries (potentially increasing the outbreak). And it would likely slow the international response to the original problem, making it last longer and become worse. What we need to do is focus our fears and efforts on erradicating the outbreak at its roots so that we can all not only feel safe, but be safe.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 15, 2014 8:56:36 GMT -5
mmhmm - EVERY hospital has very poor protocols in place. Otherwise we wouldn't have people getting secondary infections while hospitalized. The train I ride in on every day has a connecting stop from O'Hare airport. O'Hare is the fifth busiest international airport in the nation. No, I do not want the US allowing travelers from hot zones to fly in. Call me selfish or stupid, but hell - if (supposedly) trained healthcare workers are getting infected despite knowing they are in a hot zone themselves, then what chance do the rest of us have of avoiding exposure? That's not completely true, Captain. Many hospitals have excellent protocols in place but the staff tends to sluff it off and not follow those protocols. That's the human tendency to think: "It can't happen to me". We had top-notch protocols. I would have felt quite confident to take an Ebola patient into our ICU; however, one cannot control another individual's sloppiness. If the protocols are up to snuff and the needed equipment is available, those who follow protocols to the letter will be just fine. From what I'm reading, this hospital did not have the proper equipment on hand to deal with true contact isolation. That's unthinkable! Actually mmhmm, you just made my point. Saying we do XY and Z is useless unless you test, document, and discipline when protocols are NOT followed. I'm an accountant. We are not only required to have documentation of our control processes in place, we are required to test those controls, document those tests, and document failures and report them to our board of directors audit committee. We then have to draw up a plan to fix those failures and put controls in place that will prevent the same failure from happening again in the future. Now, unlike you, I am not a nurse but I have family and friends who work in healthcare. I'm told secondary infections are not investigated routinely and that it's almost unheard of for staff who don't follow protocols to be censured. Hell, one friend (who is a floor supervisor with a masters) tells me she routinely has to follow a doctor around and remind him to wash his hands after seeing patients. Now maybe this wasn't a problem in the hospitals you worked in, but based on the rate of secondary infections my mom and grandma got, as well what I observed and heard from people who work in healthcare, I can't think it's all that uncommon. AND remember, I made the point about true contact isolation in a prior post and I seem to recall you, or DJ, were very comfortable our healtcare system was capable of handling this. I don't like to be proven right in cases like this. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/sad.png)
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Post by busymom on Oct 15, 2014 8:59:15 GMT -5
So, we're up to 2 now. How many more? ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/miserable.png) Sadly, I'm not surprised that in Texas there was "breach of protocol". We've got extended family that moved down there, & what they tell me about that state would curl your hair. (Basically, Texans think they're so cool that they do no wrong.)--no offense to any of our friends here who live there. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) Kinda like "Flori-duh". At best, we can hope that their mistakes will motivate other hospitals, and other states, to ramp up proper protocol training in their hospitals.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 15, 2014 9:11:32 GMT -5
I still believe our healthcare system is fully capable of handling this, Captain. The situation in Dallas is a wake-up call for those hospitals and medical personnel who have been too easy going about infection protocols. The one I worked for wasn't. The thing that's important to remember, IMO, is: This outbreak of Ebola in West Africa has been picked up by the press and sensationalized. Now, folks are howling about Ebola. Umm, I hate to break it to you but there are plenty of things out there that are just as bad, if not worse. Nobody has made a squeak about this until Ebola hove onto the scene. Now, many are running scared. Running scared isn't going to do anything other than get one out of breath. Better to be proactive and DO SOMETHING - and that something isn't to cringe under your bed while watching others die, IMO.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2014 10:41:11 GMT -5
this is not what i would describe as an "outbreak". but yes, this is TWO mistakes that were made in Texas. shocking.
if they get it right this time, it will be over by Halloween.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2014 10:41:59 GMT -5
So, we're up to 2 now. How many more? possibly more. probably none.
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Post by Angel! on Oct 15, 2014 10:46:23 GMT -5
mmhmm - EVERY hospital has very poor protocols in place. Otherwise we wouldn't have people getting secondary infections while hospitalized. The train I ride in on every day has a connecting stop from O'Hare airport. O'Hare is the fifth busiest international airport in the nation. No, I do not want the US allowing travelers from hot zones to fly in. Call me selfish or stupid, but hell - if (supposedly) trained healthcare workers are getting infected despite knowing they are in a hot zone themselves, then what chance do the rest of us have of avoiding exposure? Health care workers are the most exposed people to this virus, by their very nature. Mr. Duncan does not appear to have exposed anyone in his family or his community, which is great! That's your chance of avoiding exposure, since you asked. Health care workers working directly with bodily fluids (especially when the patient is at its most contagious) are a whole different thing than you riding the same train car. I wonder if this also has to do with how contagious the virus is at different stages. If no one in the family caught the virus despite no protective gear & being exposed for several days, while 2 healthcare workers theoretically wearing gear (having really heard about the 2nd & when she was exposed), then it sounds as though it must be significantly more contagious in the later stages. If true, this is good news. They will figure out what is wrong with hospital protocol. And as long as people get to the hospital early, then there will be little chance of infecting others just based on the stage of the virus.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 15, 2014 10:47:06 GMT -5
So, we're up to 2 now. How many more? possibly more. probably none. Hopefully! The second nurse lived alone, although I've heard reports that they're monitoring her boyfriend. Unfortunately, she also flew domestically the day before she developed symptoms. Although it's unlikely this will be a further problem, the CDC is contacting the 132 people on that plane today. So, the 21 day clock will begin again today. But doesn't the 21-day clock for the original patient's family/friends being monitored end in a few days? He was isolated as of the 26th, I think? ETA: The new clock for general exposure (not health care workers) would start on 10/14, as that was when she was isolated, I believe.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 15, 2014 10:48:31 GMT -5
Health care workers are the most exposed people to this virus, by their very nature. Mr. Duncan does not appear to have exposed anyone in his family or his community, which is great! That's your chance of avoiding exposure, since you asked. Health care workers working directly with bodily fluids (especially when the patient is at its most contagious) are a whole different thing than you riding the same train car. I wonder if this also has to do with how contagious the virus is at different stages. If no one in the family caught the virus despite no protective gear & being exposed for several days, while 2 healthcare workers theoretically wearing gear (having really heard about the 2nd & when she was exposed), then it sounds as though it must be significantly more contagious in the later stages. If true, this is good news. They will figure out what is wrong with hospital protocol. And as long as people get to the hospital early, then there will be little chance of infecting others just based on the stage of the virus. Yes, I've read it is much more contagious at the end stages of the progression. This is why death rituals and family caregivers have been such a transmission problem in West Africa - the body is at its most dangerous and people are being more exposed to bodily fluids at that point.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 15, 2014 10:51:26 GMT -5
possibly more. probably none. Hopefully! The second nurse lived alone, although I've heard reports that they're monitoring her boyfriend. Unfortunately, she also flew domestically the day before she developed symptoms. Although it's unlikely this will be a further problem, the CDC is contacting the 132 people on that plane today. So, the 21 day clock will begin again today. But doesn't the 21-day clock for the original patient's family/friends being monitored end in a few days? He was isolated as of the 26th, I think? The second nurse (now infected) was on an airplane flight from celveland to Dallas the day she reported symptoms. 2nd U.S. health worker with Ebola flew the day before symptoms
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 15, 2014 10:54:13 GMT -5
possibly more. probably none. Hopefully! The second nurse lived alone, although I've heard reports that they're monitoring her boyfriend. Unfortunately, she also flew domestically the day before she developed symptoms. Although it's unlikely this will be a further problem, the CDC is contacting the 132 people on that plane today. So, the 21 day clock will begin again today. But doesn't the 21-day clock for the original patient's family/friends being monitored end in a few days? He was isolated as of the 26th, I think? 21 days is up on the 17th of October - 2 days.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 15, 2014 10:54:36 GMT -5
Hopefully! The second nurse lived alone, although I've heard reports that they're monitoring her boyfriend. Unfortunately, she also flew domestically the day before she developed symptoms. Although it's unlikely this will be a further problem, the CDC is contacting the 132 people on that plane today. So, the 21 day clock will begin again today. But doesn't the 21-day clock for the original patient's family/friends being monitored end in a few days? He was isolated as of the 26th, I think? 21 days is up on the 17th of October - 2 days. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/thumbsup.png)
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 15, 2014 10:58:11 GMT -5
Health care workers are the most exposed people to this virus, by their very nature. Mr. Duncan does not appear to have exposed anyone in his family or his community, which is great! That's your chance of avoiding exposure, since you asked. Health care workers working directly with bodily fluids (especially when the patient is at its most contagious) are a whole different thing than you riding the same train car. I wonder if this also has to do with how contagious the virus is at different stages. If no one in the family caught the virus despite no protective gear & being exposed for several days, while 2 healthcare workers theoretically wearing gear (having really heard about the 2nd & when she was exposed), then it sounds as though it must be significantly more contagious in the later stages. If true, this is good news. They will figure out what is wrong with hospital protocol. And as long as people get to the hospital early, then there will be little chance of infecting others just based on the stage of the virus. The several days before Mr. Duncan started exhibiting symptoms he wasn't infectious. It looks like the family members are clear. They've only got two days and the 21 day window closes. The hospital personal, on the other hand, were dealing with vomiting and diarrhoea, so had the risk of coming in contact with infectious body fluids. Agree about the hospital. They'd better get their act together, as should everyone who works directly with patients.
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Post by Angel! on Oct 15, 2014 11:02:44 GMT -5
I wonder if this also has to do with how contagious the virus is at different stages. If no one in the family caught the virus despite no protective gear & being exposed for several days, while 2 healthcare workers theoretically wearing gear (having really heard about the 2nd & when she was exposed), then it sounds as though it must be significantly more contagious in the later stages. If true, this is good news. They will figure out what is wrong with hospital protocol. And as long as people get to the hospital early, then there will be little chance of infecting others just based on the stage of the virus. The several days before Mr. Duncan started exhibiting symptoms he wasn't infectious. It looks like the family members are clear. They've only got two days and the 21 day window closes. The hospital personal, on the other hand, were dealing with vomiting and diarrhoea, so had the risk of coming in contact with infectious body fluids. Agree about the hospital. They'd better get their act together, as should everyone who works directly with patients. I understand that, but how long was he showing symptoms before they admitted him? I thought it was several days based on the two separate hospital visits. By the time he was hospitalized I heard he was having significant diarrhea. So I thought there was a time period of at least several days where the family members were definitely at risk. Was I wrong?
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I wonder if this also has to do with how contagious the virus is at different stages. If no one in the family caught the virus despite no protective gear & being exposed for several days, while 2 healthcare workers theoretically wearing gear (having really heard about the 2nd & when she was exposed), then it sounds as though it must be significantly more contagious in the later stages. If true, this is good news. They will figure out what is wrong with hospital protocol. And as long as people get to the hospital early, then there will be little chance of infecting others just based on the stage of the virus. The several days before Mr. Duncan started exhibiting symptoms he wasn't infectious. It looks like the family members are clear. They've only got two days and the 21 day window closes. The hospital personal, on the other hand, were dealing with vomiting and diarrhoea, so had the risk of coming in contact with infectious body fluids. Agree about the hospital. They'd better get their act together, as should everyone who works directly with patients. I'd like to see the CDC isolating the nurses at a different location than this hospital that's had such problems with protocols so far. I know the CDC is overseeing things now, and that should help, but this place sounds like it needs to focus on training and the CDC may want to use better-prepared facilities at this point.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 15, 2014 11:06:33 GMT -5
The several days before Mr. Duncan started exhibiting symptoms he wasn't infectious. It looks like the family members are clear. They've only got two days and the 21 day window closes. The hospital personal, on the other hand, were dealing with vomiting and diarrhoea, so had the risk of coming in contact with infectious body fluids. Agree about the hospital. They'd better get their act together, as should everyone who works directly with patients. I understand that, but how long was he showing symptoms before they admitted him? I thought it was several days based on the two separate hospital visits. By the time he was hospitalized I heard he was having significant diarrhea. So I thought there was a time period of at least several days where the family members were definitely at risk. Was I wrong? I believe he began showing symptoms on the 24th or 25th and was isolated on the 28th. Most of the family members he was around were before he began to be sick. There were 4, I think, that were considered a higher risk because of exposure after he became sick (like his fiance). The 'good' news about Ebola virus' effects is that it makes the patient sick quickly, reducing the likelihood of being around other people and traveling. But this, of course, puts caregivers at risk.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 15, 2014 11:06:52 GMT -5
The several days before Mr. Duncan started exhibiting symptoms he wasn't infectious. It looks like the family members are clear. They've only got two days and the 21 day window closes. The hospital personal, on the other hand, were dealing with vomiting and diarrhoea, so had the risk of coming in contact with infectious body fluids. Agree about the hospital. They'd better get their act together, as should everyone who works directly with patients. I understand that, but how long was he showing symptoms before they admitted him? I thought it was several days based on the two separate hospital visits. By the time he was hospitalized I heard he was having significant diarrhea. So I thought there was a time period of at least several days where the family members were definitely at risk. Was I wrong? Don't know how long he might have had a fever, but until he started actually shedding body fluids that someone else might have come in contact with, there wasn't that much danger. It's passed through direct contact with infected body fluids. The CDC is approaching it pretty darned proactively and getting more so. They're even checking on people who flew on the plane with the latest victim who had no symptoms when she flew. That's over-kill, but I sure won't fault it.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 15, 2014 11:09:02 GMT -5
The several days before Mr. Duncan started exhibiting symptoms he wasn't infectious. It looks like the family members are clear. They've only got two days and the 21 day window closes. The hospital personal, on the other hand, were dealing with vomiting and diarrhoea, so had the risk of coming in contact with infectious body fluids. Agree about the hospital. They'd better get their act together, as should everyone who works directly with patients. I'd like to see the CDC isolating the nurses at a different location than this hospital that's had such problems with protocols so far. I know the CDC is overseeing things now, and that should help, but this place sounds like it needs to focus on training and the CDC may want to use better-prepared facilities at this point. With the CDC there, I'd imagine this hospital's staff are taking things a lot more seriously than they appear to have been doing before. Were I one of the infected, I'd probably want to be transferred, but I'd also realize my illness had the effect of waking up my fellow workers to the real dangers of breaking protocols. I'd expect this hospital to be doing pretty darned well about now and scurrying to be sure they kept it up!
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 15, 2014 11:11:27 GMT -5
I'd like to see the CDC isolating the nurses at a different location than this hospital that's had such problems with protocols so far. I know the CDC is overseeing things now, and that should help, but this place sounds like it needs to focus on training and the CDC may want to use better-prepared facilities at this point. With the CDC there, I'd imagine this hospital's staff are taking things a lot more seriously than they appear to have been doing before. Were I one of the infected, I'd probably want to be transferred, but I'd also realize my illness had the effect of waking up my fellow workers to the real dangers of breaking protocols. I'd expect this hospital to be doing pretty darned well about now and scurrying to be sure they kept it up! I hope so! ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/whip2.gif)
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From the CDC: "I wish we had a put a team like this on the ground the day the first patient was diagnosed,” Frieden said. I wonder how many more " I wish we would have"s are still to come.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 15, 2014 11:15:47 GMT -5
With the CDC there, I'd imagine this hospital's staff are taking things a lot more seriously than they appear to have been doing before. Were I one of the infected, I'd probably want to be transferred, but I'd also realize my illness had the effect of waking up my fellow workers to the real dangers of breaking protocols. I'd expect this hospital to be doing pretty darned well about now and scurrying to be sure they kept it up! I hope so! ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/whip2.gif) I was the night house supervisor in our facility. Our little hospital had excellent protocols, as I've said. However, with the knowledge this disease is out there, there are things I know I'd want done, and done immediately - and, if they weren't being done fast enough to suit me, I'd be raising holy hell! While I'm not afraid this thing is going to get out of control in this country that's no reason for any hospital to be lax. It's just not something I'd tolerate and I really don't think I'm alone amongst healthcare workers.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 15, 2014 11:16:33 GMT -5
I would like to see (as part of the protocol procedures) those who are treating the Ebola patient(s) limit their exposure to other people locally and by travelling (including airplane flights) until at least 21 days after they last provide treatment to a patient. This would help reduce the concerns of the general public.
This may not be part of the protocol procedures based upon this latest healthcare worker being on an airplane flight two days ago.
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Post by swamp on Oct 15, 2014 11:18:43 GMT -5
I think we need to put Texas in isolation. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) starting with Rick Perry. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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