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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 10:22:18 GMT -5
I was just thinking that for the most part- every time I see kids in restaurants or waiting rooms or wherever- their heads are buried in a devise and they aren't being disruptive at all. My oldest will tune out the world for a video screen and has been like that since he was little. I took him on a lot of flights as a two year old happy as a clam with a portable DVD player. The 4 year old? Nope. Could care less about screens and I'm absolutely thrilled! I'd rather deal with channeling his energy than prying him away from a device.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 29, 2014 10:27:25 GMT -5
I did feel bad when we went camping earlier this summer and my daughter woke up screaming in the middle of night and was not consolable for what felt like half and hour. I am sure that every campsite within a quarter mile could hear her. Because we went camping last year and in the site next to us the kids were in tents and the parents were in a camper and one of their kids was screaming for mom for what seems like all night and I did not appreciate that. Yeah, we haven't gone camping in several years due to kids. Que sera, sera.
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Post by Shooby on Sept 29, 2014 10:28:59 GMT -5
Why not? What better place to scream than in the woods?
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Sept 29, 2014 10:37:20 GMT -5
There are also a lot of people who seem to despise children. Children have a right to breathe, laugh, talk , etc as well. I don't despise children. I despise parents who have the attitude that they have the right to bring their children wherever whenever they want regardless of how it effects everyone else
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 10:42:31 GMT -5
Why not? What better place to scream than in the woods? I agree. Camping is a pretty family friendly activity. If you have loud kids take them farther into the woods!
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 29, 2014 10:44:26 GMT -5
Why not? What better place to scream than in the woods? LOL. Says the strange man in the white van handing out candy to kids.
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 29, 2014 10:56:17 GMT -5
The older I get, the less tolerant I am of little kids. Babies are cute and I can handle a baby crying as the can't help it. But if you let your brat have a melt down and do nothing to intervene or have them wandering around getting into stuff, that is something completely different that I can't handle. I will get up and leave.
I did see a boy once at a store I worked at on the weekend have a melt down. He apppeared to be 10-12 years old, full on screaming and jumping up and down. I thought "Really?!" I hurried up and relocated to another part of the store to get away from the kid!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 29, 2014 10:59:01 GMT -5
I took care of my niece and nephew while my sister and her DH were in Mexico. They were 2 and 4 at the time.
One evening (it was early, around 5) I decided I needed to get out of the house so decided to take them out to dinner. It was MN in Feb and the weather was particularly crappy.
We went out to a Mexican place, it was fairly downscale from Applebee's. Both kids were little pills and I was mortified. I got our food to go, threw money on the table and got the hell out of there.
But one night me and my friends were out at dinner in a very upscale place. The table adjacent to us had a toddler and infant there. Both were tired, the toddler alternatively wailed or banged on glassware with silverware. The infant just cried. Our reservations were at 8, so pretty late for those kids to be out.....especially since their drinks had just arrived when we were seated so they had just gotten there themselves. It was a long dinner, and normally we would have lingered over dessert and coffee but we got our bill after the entree was served. So both the restaurant and the waitress lost out due to the disruption.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 29, 2014 11:02:34 GMT -5
Shame on that restaurant. I'd have put that in whatever place you have to give reviews. Shame on these parents to begin with but I'm sure we all see the parent who feels their lives should go on as normal even though they have kids now. DF has family like that. But I blame management who should have stepped in and asked them to quiet their children or leave.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 29, 2014 11:14:46 GMT -5
Why not? What better place to scream than in the woods? The woods at night are VERY quiet and the campgrounds are fairly close together. Campgrounds have a 'quiet time' rule for a reason. A few years back DH, DS and I were camping two sites down from a rowdy party of drunks who played music, laughed and talked, did the usual drunk 'whoo hoo' hollering that red necks do until well after midnight. Finally DH had to go get a park ranger to ask them to calm the hell down, which they did. What's ok in your own backyard is not ok in a campsite, where only a thin sheet of canvas separates me from your loud radio or screaming kid.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 29, 2014 11:15:00 GMT -5
Why not? What better place to scream than in the woods? Stupid double post.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 11:20:38 GMT -5
Why not? What better place to scream than in the woods? The woods at night are VERY quiet and the campgrounds are fairly close together. Campgrounds have a 'quiet time' rule for a reason. A few years back DH, DS and I were camping two sites down from a rowdy party of drunks who played music, laughed and talked, did the usual drunk 'whoo hoo' hollering that red necks do until well after midnight. Finally DH had to go get a park ranger to ask them to calm the hell down, which they did. What's ok in your own backyard is not ok in a campsite, where only a thin sheet of canvas separates me from your loud radio or screaming kid. Campgrounds are cities in the woods. Blech. Take them for real camping. Hike out, find a site. Then tell them coyotes eat screaming kids. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) Works on mine.
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Post by Firebird on Sept 29, 2014 11:32:32 GMT -5
I like kids (for the most part) but some places are geared toward kids and some are not.
I don't expect things to be utterly silent when I go out to eat, but while the gentle white noise of conversation is okay, screaming children are definitely not okay at anything nicer than McDonald's.
We take Babybird out to eat occasionally because I want to teach her how to behave in public. However, if she starts having a meltdown, we take her outside to calm down. This has resulted in some less than pleasant meals when DH and I basically had to tag-team eating and running outside with her, but to me it's just common courtesy. I can't even imagine letting her have a full-on tantrum in the presence of other diners.
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Post by tloonya on Sept 29, 2014 12:03:51 GMT -5
There are also a lot of people who seem to despise children. Children have a right to breathe, laugh, talk , etc as well. Yes. In right places under smart caring for others adult supervision!
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Sept 29, 2014 12:09:17 GMT -5
Hitting the woman would have been much more fun. We have as much right as anyone else to go out to dinner. Not sure when that right was taken away. You need to teach your kids how to behave in public AT HOME and THEN and only THEN take them to a breakfast to IHOP (its loud as hell anyway) and IF they are safe out from IHOP - try to take them to...McD, then elsewhere and only when you know they are responding to parents voice in a calmly and quiet manner - take them to nicer establishment. And don't forget - if you are messing with a wrong woman - that broom can be up your wife's arz! ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) IHOP is <<< McD's??!!! ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/shocked.gif)
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 29, 2014 12:12:13 GMT -5
The woods at night are VERY quiet and the campgrounds are fairly close together. Campgrounds have a 'quiet time' rule for a reason. A few years back DH, DS and I were camping two sites down from a rowdy party of drunks who played music, laughed and talked, did the usual drunk 'whoo hoo' hollering that red necks do until well after midnight. Finally DH had to go get a park ranger to ask them to calm the hell down, which they did. What's ok in your own backyard is not ok in a campsite, where only a thin sheet of canvas separates me from your loud radio or screaming kid. Campgrounds are cities in the woods. Blech. Take them for real camping. Hike out, find a site. Then tell them coyotes eat screaming kids. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) Works on mine. LOL yes that would work. I used to go to an adult sunday school class taught by the sweetest lady. Very kind Christian woman. She said when her kids were little she used to make a point of showing them the kitchen doors in every restaurant they went to, and telling her kids that that's where they kept the giant that came out into the restaurant to eat small children who were behaving badly. She said she got no end of compliments from other people on how well behaved her young children were in the restaurant. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png)
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Sept 29, 2014 12:14:12 GMT -5
To answer the OP:
No, you're aren't wrong to ask to be moved. That's fine. But afternoon at a BBQ joint screams "family environment" to me... pun intended. I imagine there were TVs on blaring football. I find that infinitely more annoying and distracting than children.
We take my almost 3 yr old out to eat maybe 1x a week. We bring things to entertain her and read to her, etc.If she really starts screaming/yelling, one of us will take her out and try to calm her down. I have taken her to a restaurant with white table linens and cloth napkins before. It CAN be done. We do it regularly so that she has practice behaving in restaurants and knows what is expected of her. Seattle is a very family friendly place and there are several restaurants that have train tables and play areas IN the restaurant. We try to go to those more often than others, but she also knows how to behave in an 'adult' environment.
Then again, my child has been on 8 or 10 round trip flights and we've never had a complaint voiced to us about her, either. Maybe we are just lucky.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 29, 2014 12:14:23 GMT -5
Campgrounds are cities in the woods. Blech. Take them for real camping. Hike out, find a site. Then tell them coyotes eat screaming kids. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) Works on mine. LOL yes that would work. I used to go to an adult sunday school class taught by the sweetest lady. Very kind Christian woman. She said when her kids were little she used to make a point of showing them the kitchen doors in every restaurant they went to, and telling her kids that that's where they kept the giant that came out into the restaurant to eat small children who were behaving badly. She said she got no end of compliments from other people on how well behaved her young children were in the restaurant. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) nothing like a good Christian using untrue scare stories to frighten kids into being good. I wonder where they get that idea from??
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 29, 2014 12:18:10 GMT -5
Whatever works. I used to tell my kids that there was a light on above the door of public restrooms that went off if they didnt wash their hands. So everyone in the restaurant would know they didnt.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 29, 2014 12:19:30 GMT -5
My aunt told kids who used their pool that if they peed in it, the yellow trail would follow them and they wouldn't be invited back again. That worked, too.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 29, 2014 12:19:37 GMT -5
Whatever works. I used to tell my kids that there was a light on above the door of public restrooms that went off if they didnt wash their hands. So everyone in the restaurant would know they didnt. Not whatever works.. that is a terrible mantra.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 29, 2014 12:21:28 GMT -5
To each his own. My kids behaved in restaurants and in public.
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Post by Firebird on Sept 29, 2014 12:22:02 GMT -5
I have taken her to a restaurant with white table linens and cloth napkins before. It CAN be done. We do it regularly so that she has practice behaving in restaurants and knows what is expected of her. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/yeahthat.gif) But just so you know, your good kid IS all luck. If you had a terrible kid that would mean you were a terrible parent ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png)
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Sept 29, 2014 12:27:51 GMT -5
Whatever works. I used to tell my kids that there was a light on above the door of public restrooms that went off if they didnt wash their hands. So everyone in the restaurant would know they didnt. Not whatever works.. that is a terrible mantra. I'm a big fan of not lying to your children. But that is just my personal philosophy... to each their own.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 29, 2014 12:28:47 GMT -5
LOL yes that would work. I used to go to an adult sunday school class taught by the sweetest lady. Very kind Christian woman. She said when her kids were little she used to make a point of showing them the kitchen doors in every restaurant they went to, and telling her kids that that's where they kept the giant that came out into the restaurant to eat small children who were behaving badly. She said she got no end of compliments from other people on how well behaved her young children were in the restaurant. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) nothing like a good Christian using untrue scare stories to frighten kids into being good. I wonder where they get that idea from?? No I think the Good Christian was more worried about being kind to her fellow diners and ensuring they have a pleasant, whine and scream free dinner than being worried that her little heathens would be scarred for life if she told them a tall tale. After all, she told them about the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny and Santa and both her kids still grew up to be productive, well behaved citizens. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Sept 29, 2014 12:28:47 GMT -5
I have taken her to a restaurant with white table linens and cloth napkins before. It CAN be done. We do it regularly so that she has practice behaving in restaurants and knows what is expected of her. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/yeahthat.gif) But just so you know, your good kid IS all luck. If you had a terrible kid that would mean you were a terrible parent ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) Since I have an awesome kid I must therefore be awesome. QED. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/banana.gif)
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 29, 2014 12:30:13 GMT -5
nothing like a good Christian using untrue scare stories to frighten kids into being good. I wonder where they get that idea from?? No I think the Good Christian was more worried about being kind to her fellow diners and ensuring they have a pleasant, whine and scream free dinner than being worried that her little heathens would be scarred for life if she told them a tall tale. After all, she told them about the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny and Santa and both her kids still grew up to be productive, well behaved citizens. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) In order of importance, my kids are at 100 and random diner at the restaurant is at 4.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 12:31:46 GMT -5
I have a friend who routinely tells her kids that zombies will come if they do something/go somewhere she doesn't want them to do... At game night one night she told one of her sons that another mother was angry at him and he should go see daddy if he needed anything because Miss F didn't would be mean if he came to our table... ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/wte.png) I just told my kids if they didn't behave we'd leave. And if they didn't, we did... ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/idunno.gif)
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 29, 2014 12:34:16 GMT -5
By the time they're old enough to know I'm lying, they know why I did it. In my mind, they're "white lies." Told for their own good and mine. They would be unhealthy or unhappy if they didnt wash hands after toileting or misbehaved in a public place. Goodness, I used to hide behind them while the sun set into the ocean and make a hissing noise like the hot sun was cooling down in the ocean. As each kid aged up, they'd stand with me and help make the noise for younger ones. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) They have fond memories of that. What they do rag on me about is that I used to mispronounce words to be funny as did my mom. I guess I didn't realize they didnt know I was being funny. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) Oops bad mom!
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 29, 2014 13:26:50 GMT -5
No I think the Good Christian was more worried about being kind to her fellow diners and ensuring they have a pleasant, whine and scream free dinner than being worried that her little heathens would be scarred for life if she told them a tall tale. After all, she told them about the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny and Santa and both her kids still grew up to be productive, well behaved citizens. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) In order of importance, my kids are at 100 and random diner at the restaurant is at 4. Sorry I think teaching kids the socially acceptable way to behave in public ranks right up there with learning what the toilet is for and why you shouldn't sneeze on people. But when they're very small, they don't understand what being 'rude' is, so you sometimes have to get creative. Everyone hates screaming, restless kids in public places - except, of course, the kinds of parents that think their kids are charming even when one of them is kicking the other one under the table and the other is beating out jinglebells with his spoon. I didn't want my kid to be the one everyone glares at as we exit the restaurant, and neither did my Sunday School teacher. When DS was 3 he decided he only liked to eat ham. So I told him everything was ham. Steak = ham. Chicken = ham. It avoided a fight, and he figured out he liked steak and chicken, too. Was DH outraged when I told him as an adult how, for a while, everything was ham? Nope. DS went through a stage where he
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