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Post by steff on Sept 24, 2014 15:24:55 GMT -5
Wait... I thought that was Religiosity... forcing crap on people that don't want it, I mean. It is. Liberalism is a religion. The earth is god, The Pope is Al Gore. Lawyers and Psychologists are the priest class. Abortion is the sacrament. Climate change is the apocalyptic eschatology. You really should crawl out from under the rock inside the cave you reside in. |
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 24, 2014 16:04:48 GMT -5
Same things a guy would do that would make him deserving of a punch in the nose. Say you're out in public. Some woman you don't know is in your face swearing at you, she's shoving you, she smacks/slaps you, she's hitting you with her purse. I'd slap that bitch. Not the most grown up way to handle the situation, but I don't buy the never ever ever hit a woman thing. If she's man enough to put her hands on me first, she's man enough to get slapped around a bit in return. If she doesn't want it to get to that level she should keep her hands to herself as well. Same rule guys have. If you're man enough to take a swing at somebody, you're man enough to get hit in return. Don't like it, don't start it. With a spouse, it's hard to say. I've never put my hands on Loop. I did threaten to once. Early in our marriage she would punch me, smack me upside the head, or throw things when angry about something. Lots of women do it. At one point she was mad about something and hit me. I looked her right in the eye and told her that if she did it again I was going to hit back. I grew up with an abusive dick of a stepdad at home, and I'll be damned if I'm going to spend my whole life dealing with that shit. If she's mad she can express that without swinging at me, because I don't deal with that well. It brings up all this emotional shit from my childhood that I'd rather not dwell on. Hasn't been a problem since then. I understand what you are saying. It simply isn't in my nature to hit, slap, punch, shove or throw something at someone. I'm not saying I wouldnt' fight back if necessary, but I guess I never really considered this particular situation. I suppose if I was going to physically attack someone, I would get what I get. I guess the thing to keep in mind is the possibility of actual injury. I'm just a bit over 5 foot tall and my 110 pound dog weighs more than I do. If I slap you, you might get a red mark. If you slap me, you could very well break my jaw or knock me down/out. I can't think I would be physical with someone unless it was self defense, but I'd have to keep in mind that if a child the size of a 5 year old slapped me, the appropriate reaction wouldn't be for me to smack that small child. I could serious hurt him/her. He/she couldn't serious hurt me. |
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 24, 2014 16:26:22 GMT -5
What in the world did you do?
Anyway...see your point. It's just not something I considered, I guess, because I can't picture myself ever doing it. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 24, 2014 18:08:15 GMT -5
It is. Liberalism is a religion. The earth is god, The Pope is Al Gore. Lawyers and Psychologists are the priest class. Abortion is the sacrament. Climate change is the apocalyptic eschatology. You really should crawl out from under the rock inside the cave you reside in.  |
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Post by steff on Sept 24, 2014 18:16:52 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 24, 2014 18:23:09 GMT -5
You really should crawl out from under the rock inside the cave you reside in. So what? As far as I know, this man holds no power anywhere and isn't running for anything. Just another person with an opinion. |
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 24, 2014 18:47:38 GMT -5
... I guess the thing to keep in mind is the possibility of actual injury. ... I find it difficult to understand this issue of "possibility of actual injury" as the reason for total prohibition of physical contact between males and females. We do not use it as the standard regarding parents and punishment of their child. In that situation there is clearly the possibility of actual injury. Would it be appropriate to ban physical contact by any individual who is capable of causing actual injury to the person whom they are physically contacting with no specific reference to gender or even age? |
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Post by Angel! on Sept 24, 2014 19:14:22 GMT -5
... I guess the thing to keep in mind is the possibility of actual injury. ... I find it difficult to understand this issue of "possibility of actual injury" as the reason for total prohibition of physical contact between males and females. We do not use it as the standard regarding parents and punishment of their child. In that situation there is clearly the possibility of actual injury. Would it be appropriate to ban physical contact by any individual who is capable of causing actual injury to the person whom they are physically contacting with no specific reference to gender or even age? Parents are responsible for disciplining their kids. Adults should not be disciplining their spouses. Someone who believes they should be physically disciplining their spouse is just abusive. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 19:41:46 GMT -5
I find it difficult to understand this issue of "possibility of actual injury" as the reason for total prohibition of physical contact between males and females. We do not use it as the standard regarding parents and punishment of their child. In that situation there is clearly the possibility of actual injury. Would it be appropriate to ban physical contact by any individual who is capable of causing actual injury to the person whom they are physically contacting with no specific reference to gender or even age? Parents are responsible for disciplining their kids. Adults should not be disciplining their spouses. Someone who believes they should be physically disciplining their spouse is just abusive. Does that include the woman that hits FIRST? |
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 24, 2014 19:53:46 GMT -5
You know, the more I think about it, the more absurd this "woman hit first" thing is. So let's say a woman hits her husband. By some logic, he has every right to hit her back. We're not talking a case of self-defense here - just that she "deserves" it for hitting first. Now. In turn, does the man "deserve" to get hit a 2nd time because he hit her back? And on and on....?
All of a sudden, we have a bad skit from a Three Stoodges show with one slapping the other - back and forth - back and forth - because the other deserves it for hitting?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 20:01:03 GMT -5
You know, the more I think about it, the more absurd this "woman hit first" thing is. So let's say a woman hits her husband. By some logic, he has every right to hit her back. We're not talking a case of self-defense here - just that she "deserves" it for hitting first. Now. In turn, does the man "deserve" to get hit a 2nd time because he hit her back? And on and on....? All of a sudden, we have a bad skit from a Three Stoodges show with one slapping the other - back and forth - back and forth - because the other deserves it for hitting? You missed the point of my question. In response to: I asked: because I want to know, does Angel believe the woman that decided she should physically "discipline" her spouse is physically abusive TOO? This question wasn't about any retaliation of her abuse, it was a question about is it abuse too? |
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 24, 2014 20:11:20 GMT -5
Sorry, Richard. That really wasn't in response to your post specifically - just a variety of posts stating a woman "deserves" to be hit if she hits first. It just happened to post after yours.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 24, 2014 20:22:44 GMT -5
Parents are responsible for disciplining their kids. Adults should not be disciplining their spouses. Someone who believes they should be physically disciplining their spouse is just abusive. Does that include the woman that hits FIRST? A spouse should never hit another spouse period. And if one does get hit they should not hit back, they should walk away and call the police. Hitting back should only happen as self defense, not as punishment, and only when no other options are available. Ray rice had other options available and used excessive force. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 24, 2014 20:29:53 GMT -5
Does that include the woman that hits FIRST? A spouse should never hit another spouse period. And if one does get hit they should not hit back, they should walk away and call the police. Hitting back should only happen as self defense, not as punishment, and only when no other options are available. Ray rice had other options available and used excessive force. my wife hit me once. i turned around and walked out of the house, got into my car, and drove away. she tried calling me every five minutes for the next two hours while i sat in a bar and watched a basketball game. when she stopped calling, i went home. i told her if she ever did it again, i was not coming back. she has never done it again. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 21:11:17 GMT -5
Sorry, Richard. That really wasn't in response to your post specifically - just a variety of posts stating a woman "deserves" to be hit if she hits first. It just happened to post after yours. Ahhh... gotcha. A case of coincidental timing. It happens. For the record, even though I believe that a woman hitting a man opens up the RIGHT for him to hit back (she stepped into the ring, and all), I don't believe she DESERVES to be hit. No one "deserves" to be hit (unless they really ARE a "prize fighter" and they really ARE stepping into a real, actual "fight" ring of some sort). The difference may be muddy, but it's definitely there. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 22:09:13 GMT -5
It is. Liberalism is a religion. The earth is god, The Pope is Al Gore. Lawyers and Psychologists are the priest class. Abortion is the sacrament. Climate change is the apocalyptic eschatology. Seek help. Under the ACA, almost all Americans can now afford good mental health care. Isn't that wonderful?  It would be if it were true... Too bad for those that need it... it isn't true. |
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Post by EVT1 on Sept 25, 2014 0:16:36 GMT -5
A spouse should never hit another spouse period. And if one does get hit they should not hit back, they should walk away and call the police. Hitting back should only happen as self defense, not as punishment, and only when no other options are available. Ray rice had other options available and used excessive force. my wife hit me once. i turned around and walked out of the house, got into my car, and drove away. she tried calling me every five minutes for the next two hours while i sat in a bar and watched a basketball game. when she stopped calling, i went home. i told her if she ever did it again, i was not coming back. she has never done it again. I have been punched and back in high school kicked in the balls by women. I have stayed in hotel rooms after a fight. I get mad- I walk away- and in the pushing 30 years I have only had to do that maybe 6 times. If anyone thinks slapping or beating a woman is ok then be a guest on Hannity.
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Post by tallguy on Oct 3, 2014 1:36:15 GMT -5
Hardy has not been convicted in the jury phase yet. (I heard something a few days ago that the North Carolina system is two parts. First before a judge, and second before a jury. Until he is convicted by the jury nothing is final. If he is not guilty in either phase he is not guilty.) He was found guilty by the judge. He appealed the conviction and a jury trial is set for November.
The justification until now is that he had not yet been finally convicted and the legal system needed a chance to run its course. And of course that fits with our system of innocent until proven guilty. Once the trial is over the Panthers and the NFL would be assumed to act at that point, but they have been hiding behind that until now.
And honestly, I can't really fault them. We have all heard about the idea that better ten guilty go free than one innocent be punished. And it does happen. Players are targets. There was an occurrence during training camp when Marshawn Lynch of the Seahawks was accused of something. The police department felt the need to make the allegations public. In actuality, Marshawn Lynch was at training camp where they have bed checks every night and was nowhere near the alleged incident. The Seahawks almost immediately termed the allegations "bogus" and the police a few days later acknowledged there was nothing to them. It happens. Probably not with Hardy, but it does happen.
As an update to the, "Players are targets" comment:
Police are now recommending charges against a woman who accused Marshawn Lynch of assault and property damage.
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