Ray Rice NFL Suspension Over Domestic Violence.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Those eggs deserved it.  There is nothing wrong with giving a egg a good beating if they don't whip themselves into shape.  How else are you going to get them to do what they are supposed to?

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Sept 16, 2014 20:13:17 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Sept 16, 2014 19:32:46 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

"Sometimes"? Have you seen his shows? LOL


*for the record, he doesn't throw or cuss at women... he throws or cusses at chefs. If they happen to be female chefs, that's just coincidence, because he equally does it to male chefs when they screw up.

So...no double standard?

Exactly.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 16, 2014 20:23:23 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Sept 16, 2014 20:13:17 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

So...no double standard?

Exactly.

Frank Zappa got accused regularly of being hard on women.  his response was that he was hard on men too, and that women don't get a pass for doing stupid shit just because they are women.  i think about that argument a lot. 

[Tennesseer]

Sept 16, 2014 20:15:10 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Those eggs deserved it.  There is nothing wrong with giving a egg a good beating if they don't whip themselves into shape.  How else are you going to get them to do what they are supposed to?

Rise up before I have to beat you again, damn it!

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I beat my eggs with an immersion blender... they ALWAYS rise up!


(seriously... want fluffy scrambled eggs... try an immersion blender... it's awesome!)

[Green Eyed Lady]

Assault with a weapon! 

[Green Eyed Lady]

This really isn't a joking matter, but it's my way to joke when I want to cuss instead. 

[chiver78]

Sept 16, 2014 19:49:19 GMT -5 swamp said:

Sept 16, 2014 16:39:55 GMT -5 hoops902 said:

If there is any doubt there's a double standard when it comes to who the victim is...Ray Lewis stabbed a guy, Ray Rice hit a woman...both played for the same team.  One is a celebrated hero of the NFL, the other got a lifetime ban (even after getting a much smaller punishment when everyone knew what happened, but the video which enraged people specifically because it was a woman created a situation to increase the punishment).

I actually think there's a 2nd double standard, which is whether it was caught on tape or not.  If there was a tape of Adrian Peterson beating his kid in the face he probably wouldn't be playing.  It's not even about the act, it's about the public relations related to the act...which is largely driven by whether there is a "shocking" video or not (I put shocking in quotes as we already knew what happened, so anyone following the story shouldn't really be shocked by it).

Is there anyone who legitimately thinks that if Ray Rice was assaulted by a guy and in return punched him in the face and knocked him out that there would be near the uproar?  People would probably be taunting the guy for being dumb enough to hit someone and then get knocked out.  There's not a good argument to be made that there is no double standard...fully realizing that plenty of people will argue the double standard is ok (but won't want to call it a double standard because of the negative connotation).

Ray Lewis got off easy. 

   I wish I could this x1000.
one of the reasons I will never root for the Ravens.

[tallguy]

the other got a lifetime ban (even after getting a much smaller punishment when everyone knew what happened, but the video which enraged people specifically because it was a woman created a situation to increase the punishment).

Just to clarify, he did not receive a lifetime ban.  He is suspended indefinitely.  The players union (NFLPA) will appeal that suspension by the deadline tonight (or has by now.)  Rice can apply for reinstatement when he convinces Commissioner Roger Goodell that he is "addressing this issue."  He will be reinstated at some point, and I would not be surprised to see another team take a chance on him, although he will likely never again be the player he was a few years ago.

[hoops902]

Sept 16, 2014 21:33:35 GMT -5 tallguy said:

the other got a lifetime ban (even after getting a much smaller punishment when everyone knew what happened, but the video which enraged people specifically because it was a woman created a situation to increase the punishment).

Just to clarify, he did not receive a lifetime ban.  He is suspended indefinitely.  The players union (NFLPA) will appeal that suspension by the deadline tonight (or has by now.)  Rice can apply for reinstatement when he convinces Commissioner Roger Goodell that he is "addressing this issue."  He will be reinstated at some point, and I would not be surprised to see another team take a chance on him, although he will likely never again be the player he was a few years ago.

You're right, I got mixed up between his indefinite suspension and the new domestic violence policy which calls for a lifetime ban on 2nd offenses.  Thanks for correcting me.

[Value Buy]

Update

 Rice and Peterson are booth on suspension.

Hardy on suspension with pay until court decision is reached, possibly in November.

Now the media is looking at Bears receiver Brandon Marshall for wife beatings  several years ago when he was with Denver where he was basically cleared by the NFL, and charges were dropped/dismissed.

I see Brian Erlacher, former middle Linebacker for the Bears has left Fox Sports "to spend more time with family".

I wonder what that means?

There is not one team out there, that does not have at least one problem player with this issue. They are fortunate if it is only one member.

I am wondering why the NBA  is getting a pass on this. Want to bet with one fifth of the number of players on a team, they can match the NFL team for team with the same number of problem players with this issue?

[mmhmm]

Sept 18, 2014 10:33:07 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Update

 Rice and Peterson are booth on suspension.

Hardy on suspension with pay until court decision is reached, possibly in November.

Now the media is looking at Bears receiver Brandon Marshall for wife beatings  several years ago when he was with Denver where he was basically cleared by the NFL, and charges were dropped/dismissed.

I see Brian Erlacher, former middle Linebacker for the Bears has left Fox Sports "to spend more time with family".

I wonder what that means?

There is not one team out there, that does not have at least one problem player with this issue. They are fortunate if it is only one member.

I am wondering why the NBA  is getting a pass on this. Want to bet with one fifth of the number of players on a team, they can match the NFL team for team with the same number of problem players with this issue?

Jonathan Dwyer of the Arizona Cardinals is in a pickle for domestic violence, as well. We have an epidemic, it appears.

[mmhmm]

Sept 18, 2014 10:43:13 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Well it's also getting noticed now.

Really, half of these people are animals. It is their job to be as mean, nasty and tough as they possibly can. Is it really surprising that some of them carry it into their private lives?

I love me some New England Patriots, btw. It's just that it is true that it is a violent sport, especially up on the line.

I saw something this morning but haven't had time to read it yet. Something about the possibility of head injuries contributing to incidents like this. It doesn't ring true with me off the cuff, but as I said I haven't read the article to find out what, exactly, they're presenting. I tend to lean more toward aggressiveness enhanced by training and "pumping up" done to win games at any cost. I do believe the high level of aggressiveness has to be there in the first place for such things to result in the violence reaching outside the playing field and into the home. Perhaps, once I've been able to read the article I'll have learned something that will change my view.

[Green Eyed Lady]

I saw that, too, mmhmm.  I don't buy it either.  Lots of men who weren't football players and can't claim head injuries (yet) abuse women.  It's an excuse, IMO...and one that shouldn't even be given air time.  I blame it more on upbringing.  Some of these men were raised in violent homes.  Some are just assholes.  No quarter given here and I wish the media wouldn't give any either.

[swamp]

Sept 18, 2014 10:51:01 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Sept 18, 2014 10:43:13 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Well it's also getting noticed now.

Really, half of these people are animals. It is their job to be as mean, nasty and tough as they possibly can. Is it really surprising that some of them carry it into their private lives?

I love me some New England Patriots, btw. It's just that it is true that it is a violent sport, especially up on the line.

I saw something this morning but haven't had time to read it yet. Something about the possibility of head injuries contributing to incidents like this. It doesn't ring true with me off the cuff, but as I said I haven't read the article to find out what, exactly, they're presenting. I tend to lean more toward aggressiveness enhanced by training and "pumping up" done to win games at any cost. I do believe the high level of aggressiveness has to be there in the first place for such things to result in the violence reaching outside the playing field and into the home. Perhaps, once I've been able to read the article I'll have learned something that will change my view.

I think there might be something to that.  People with TBI are often explosive.

[mmhmm]

Sept 18, 2014 11:30:00 GMT -5 swamp said:

Sept 18, 2014 10:51:01 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I saw something this morning but haven't had time to read it yet. Something about the possibility of head injuries contributing to incidents like this. It doesn't ring true with me off the cuff, but as I said I haven't read the article to find out what, exactly, they're presenting. I tend to lean more toward aggressiveness enhanced by training and "pumping up" done to win games at any cost. I do believe the high level of aggressiveness has to be there in the first place for such things to result in the violence reaching outside the playing field and into the home. Perhaps, once I've been able to read the article I'll have learned something that will change my view.

I think there might be something to that.  People with TBI are often explosive.

As soon as I've finished mother's midday care and can get the time to read the article and do whatever associated research I need to do, I'll feel more able to speak to the issue. I'd be really interested in knowing how many of those who are found to have problems controlling their aggressive tendencies were known to have had the same problems before they started playing.    

[swamp]

Sept 18, 2014 11:35:44 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Sept 18, 2014 11:30:00 GMT -5 swamp said:

I think there might be something to that.  People with TBI are often explosive.

As soon as I've finished mother's midday care and can get the time to read the article and do whatever associated research I need to do, I'll feel more able to speak to the issue. I'd be really interested in knowing how many of those who are found to have problems controlling their aggressive tendencies were known to have had the same problems before they started playing.    

I'm interested too. Please let me know what you find out.

[mmhmm]

Sept 18, 2014 11:40:37 GMT -5 swamp said:

Sept 18, 2014 11:35:44 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

As soon as I've finished mother's midday care and can get the time to read the article and do whatever associated research I need to do, I'll feel more able to speak to the issue. I'd be really interested in knowing how many of those who are found to have problems controlling their aggressive tendencies were known to have had the same problems before they started playing.    

I'm interested too. Please let me know what you find out.

Will do. It's a very interesting premise.

[Angel!]

Sept 18, 2014 10:33:07 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Update

 Rice and Peterson are booth on suspension.

I thought I heard yesterday Peterson was back in.  Did they reverse that again?  Is the NFL suspending him or are the Vikings opting to sit him out?

[mmhmm]

I've had a chance to read the article and do a little research. Not surprisingly, not nearly enough research has been done into this phenomenon. Perhaps, with all that's happening, that will change. At this point, though, I'd have to draw the conclusion that this sort of behavior has a number of causes - most of which are due to lack of inhibition. Damage to the frontal lobes could certainly contribute to that. Alcohol consumption definitely contributes to that. Feeling entitled/superior is a contributor, as well. I was unable to find anything that would give us insight into the history of these men prior to the currently featured incident.

Here are some articles on various aspects of the subject of aggression in sports. The first in line is the article I mentioned that looks at brain damage as a possible cause:


Brain Damage Cause Aggression?

Violence on Field Lead to Violence Off Field?

Aggression in Athletics

Aggressive Behavior and Brain Trauma

[mmhmm]

Sept 18, 2014 12:21:42 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Sept 18, 2014 10:33:07 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Update

 Rice and Peterson are booth on suspension.

I thought I heard yesterday Peterson was back in.  Did they reverse that again?  Is the NFL suspending him or are the Vikings opting to sit him out?

From what I read (I've never read so much about football and the players in my life!), he was placed on suspension by the Vikings, cannot participate in any team activities, but will still be paid.

[Deleted]

Sept 18, 2014 13:20:52 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I've had a chance to read the article and do a little research. Not surprisingly, not nearly enough research has been done into this phenomenon. Perhaps, with all that's happening, that will change. At this point, though, I'd have to draw the conclusion that this sort of behavior has a number of causes - most of which are due to lack of inhibition. Damage to the frontal lobes could certainly contribute to that. Alcohol consumption definitely contributes to that. Feeling entitled/superior is a contributor, as well. I was unable to find anything that would give us insight into the history of these men prior to the currently featured incident.

Here are some articles on various aspects of the subject of aggression in sports. The first in line is the article I mentioned that looks at brain damage as a possible cause:


Brain Damage Cause Aggression?

Violence on Field Lead to Violence Off Field?

Aggression in Athletics

Aggressive Behavior and Brain Trauma

Sometimes I think it's more like the red cars get in more accidents insurance reports. It's not the red cars, it's the personality types that want them. Same can apply to contact sports. A more physically aggressive person will be attracted to play that type of sport. You can't just turn it off like a light switch when you get home. Injuries and alcohol (and drugs) just exacerbate the possible incident of domestic violence.

[steff]

Sept 18, 2014 10:51:01 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Sept 18, 2014 10:43:13 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Well it's also getting noticed now.

Really, half of these people are animals. It is their job to be as mean, nasty and tough as they possibly can. Is it really surprising that some of them carry it into their private lives?

I love me some New England Patriots, btw. It's just that it is true that it is a violent sport, especially up on the line.

I saw something this morning but haven't had time to read it yet. Something about the possibility of head injuries contributing to incidents like this. It doesn't ring true with me off the cuff, but as I said I haven't read the article to find out what, exactly, they're presenting. I tend to lean more toward aggressiveness enhanced by training and "pumping up" done to win games at any cost. I do believe the high level of aggressiveness has to be there in the first place for such things to result in the violence reaching outside the playing field and into the home. Perhaps, once I've been able to read the article I'll have learned something that will change my view.

You should read up on Chris Henry.  They were able to connect his off field actions with the massive brain damage he had.  His story is also about the lengths he & the team went to try and control help his situation.  After his death, his brain disection is the one that REALLY scared the NFL.  He was in his early 20's and had the brain of a 90 year old.  Literally holes in his brain from parts that had been damaged and died off.  Including his cause/reason section. 


In June 2010, the Brain Injury Research Institute of West Virginia University released a report that Henry had developed a brain disease called chronic traumatic encephalopathy during his playing career due to multiple hard hits to the head.[34] While several former NFL players had been found to have the disease after their deaths, Henry was believed to be the first still-active NFL player to have it. The discovery that Henry had CTE has become a serious issue of concern for football and brain safety, especially since Henry was relatively young and had never been diagnosed with a concussion in either his five NFL seasons or his college career at West Virginia. Concern has been raised whether an accumulation of lesser blows could eventually be enough to cause brain damage. It was also believed that the brain damage Henry suffered may have been a factor in his numerous off-the-field incidents.[35]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Henry_%28wide_receiver%29#Death

[steff]

Sept 18, 2014 12:21:42 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Sept 18, 2014 10:33:07 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Update

 Rice and Peterson are booth on suspension.

I thought I heard yesterday Peterson was back in.  Did they reverse that again?  Is the NFL suspending him or are the Vikings opting to sit him out?

He was placed on the commissioner's exempt list (along with several other players currently awaiting trail on DV charges).  He cannot have any contact with the team, other players, coaches, or the NFL. 

[mmhmm]

Sept 18, 2014 13:57:32 GMT -5 steff said:

Sept 18, 2014 10:51:01 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I saw something this morning but haven't had time to read it yet. Something about the possibility of head injuries contributing to incidents like this. It doesn't ring true with me off the cuff, but as I said I haven't read the article to find out what, exactly, they're presenting. I tend to lean more toward aggressiveness enhanced by training and "pumping up" done to win games at any cost. I do believe the high level of aggressiveness has to be there in the first place for such things to result in the violence reaching outside the playing field and into the home. Perhaps, once I've been able to read the article I'll have learned something that will change my view.

You should read up on Chris Henry.  They were able to connect his off field actions with the massive brain damage he had.  His story is also about the lengths he & the team went to try and control help his situation.  After his death, his brain disection is the one that REALLY scared the NFL.  He was in his early 20's and had the brain of a 90 year old.  Literally holes in his brain from parts that had been damaged and died off.  Including his cause/reason section. 


In June 2010, the Brain Injury Research Institute of West Virginia University released a report that Henry had developed a brain disease called chronic traumatic encephalopathy during his playing career due to multiple hard hits to the head.[34] While several former NFL players had been found to have the disease after their deaths, Henry was believed to be the first still-active NFL player to have it. The discovery that Henry had CTE has become a serious issue of concern for football and brain safety, especially since Henry was relatively young and had never been diagnosed with a concussion in either his five NFL seasons or his college career at West Virginia. Concern has been raised whether an accumulation of lesser blows could eventually be enough to cause brain damage. It was also believed that the brain damage Henry suffered may have been a factor in his numerous off-the-field incidents.[35]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Henry_%28wide_receiver%29#Death

Thanks, steff! I'll definitely read that!

[ArchietheDragon]

Sept 18, 2014 10:43:13 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Well it's also getting noticed now.

Really, half of these people are animals. It is their job to be as mean, nasty and tough as they possibly can. Is it really surprising that some of them carry it into their private lives?

I love me some New England Patriots, btw. It's just that it is true that it is a violent sport, especially up on the line.

This author did a study and compared the NFL to the population in general and came to the conclusion that the NFL has a lower rate of incident, across  all crimes, compared to the general population.   

fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-rate-of-domestic-violence-arrests-among-nfl-players/

[djAdvocate]

Sept 18, 2014 14:16:11 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Sept 18, 2014 10:43:13 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Well it's also getting noticed now.

Really, half of these people are animals. It is their job to be as mean, nasty and tough as they possibly can. Is it really surprising that some of them carry it into their private lives?

I love me some New England Patriots, btw. It's just that it is true that it is a violent sport, especially up on the line.

This author did a study and compared the NFL to the population in general and came to the conclusion that the NFL has a lower rate of incident, across  all crimes, compared to the general population.   

fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-rate-of-domestic-violence-arrests-among-nfl-players/

thought experiment for archie:

let's say you are my live in bitch.  i slap you around once and a while, and you decide you don't like it.  you tell me you are going to the cops.  i offer you $500,000 if you stay quiet about it, and agree to keep your mouth shut.

what happens next?

[ArchietheDragon]

Sept 18, 2014 14:21:45 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 18, 2014 14:16:11 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

This author did a study and compared the NFL to the population in general and came to the conclusion that the NFL has a lower rate of incident, across  all crimes, compared to the general population.   

fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-rate-of-domestic-violence-arrests-among-nfl-players/

thought experiment for archie:

let's say you are my live in bitch.  i slap you around once and a while, and you decide you don't like it.  you tell me you are going to the cops.  i offer you $500,000 if you stay quiet about it, and agree to keep your mouth shut.

what happens next?

I suck your toes. 

[Green Eyed Lady]

Thank you very much.  *runs to bathroom for paper towels*

[djAdvocate]

Sept 18, 2014 14:22:56 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Sept 18, 2014 14:21:45 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

thought experiment for archie:

let's say you are my live in bitch.  i slap you around once and a while, and you decide you don't like it.  you tell me you are going to the cops.  i offer you $500,000 if you stay quiet about it, and agree to keep your mouth shut.

what happens next?

I suck your toes. 

bets are Nate Silver would say something similar.