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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 4, 2014 7:25:44 GMT -5
Buying the row won't help you....apparently my head will be in your lap if I'm in front of you! How YOU doin'? I'd be much better if you would shave those god damn legs....they are like sandpaper
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 4, 2014 7:27:22 GMT -5
But just to poke a little bit...for all of you just buy a bigger seat folks...how does that work when all of those seats are sold...or flights with no 1st or business class? Don't wait until the last minute to buy a ticket.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 8:41:20 GMT -5
But just to poke a little bit...for all of you just buy a bigger seat folks...how does that work when all of those seats are sold...or flights with no 1st or business class? I know there are people who buy two seats together; not sure what name they assign to the second seat. My biggest concern is that even if you chose the seat assignments so that they were adjoining (probably paying for it in the process), the airline would mess it up and you'd end up with two seats in different rows. This is an area where I think the airlines fall short; surely they could make it easier for people who want to buy a "block" of 2 adjoining seats and make sure the computer doesn't split them up. They could also allow a 3-seat block for couples who want a whole row to themselves. They wouldn't have to be overweight; it could be anyone who wants a little more room and is willing to buy another seat but can't afford Business Class (or it doesn't exist on the plane).
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 4, 2014 8:45:07 GMT -5
We did that for the trip to Italy we never took. Cheaper to buy the middle seat. I don't know how the agent booked it. But I told DF that for the right price I'd sell that middle seat. We were in the economy plus section already.
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Post by sheilaincali on Sept 4, 2014 8:57:07 GMT -5
To follow the logic presented in this thread, if you don't like babies on a plane then you should get a private jet. Or you drive. Or you wait until the child is older. There are some times when flying really is the only alternative. But, most of the time there are plenty of other alternatives. You are right. I guess I should have driven my 18 month old from Anchorage to Minnesota rather than take a 5 hour direct flight. What was I thinking- 5 days in a car with a toddler is much better than 5 hours on an airplane. We were moving to Minnesota so it wasn't like it was just a vacation, I needed to get my kid from point A to point B.
FWIW_ I felt horrible having to do it. Most flights that leave Anchorage are red-eyes and ours was no exception. We talked to our son's doctor and he "helpfully" recommended we give him a small dose of Nyquil 15 minutes before boarding. What we didn't know (and would have been virtually impossible to know) is that my son is opposite of the bulk of the population. Where Nyquil would have caused most people to pass out and sleep peacefully it had the reverse effect on the Boy. He went from normal night time sleepy to completely hyper within 10 minutes of having the Nyquil.
I did my best to keep him quiet and calm but at 2am when the rest of the plane is full of military personnel on there way to a deployment any noise coming out of a toddler is a nuisance. I apologized frequently but still was on the receiving end of numerous dirty looks and loud sighs. Makes me awfully glad most of you weren't on that flight. The military guys mostly had kids so aside from the occasional dirty look they understood. I imagine most of you would have been calling for my head on a platter and demanding we make an emergency stop to let me off the plane.
Ever since that incident I've tried to give people traveling with kids a pass- up to a certain age. By 5 or 6 they should be able to control their own actions and behave appropriately.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 4, 2014 8:59:45 GMT -5
So I was thinking about this and came up with the perfect solution. The airlines need to design new seats that instead of reclining back...the seat pivots forward with the head of the seat staying in more or less the same position. This way recliners can recline with reckless abandon, laptop users,baby holders, and the long legged aren't squashed, the airline's don't have to reconfigure and can keep the sardine status quo. Its the perfect solution...sadly it will never come to pass and rude people will continue to piss each other off. Some of the intrrnational economy seats do just that. To recline, the seat slides forward - putting you into a slouch position. it does not go back at all. (Some of the reviews are that it is hard and uncomfortable). I would not be surprised if the airlines move to that for domestic seats.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 4, 2014 9:02:58 GMT -5
Are you sure it wasnt supposed to be Benadryl? Probably same idea. I've heard it doesn't work for some kids though. Practice run sometimes. I did the Xanax practice run before Italy because I didn't want to think I saw monsters on the wing of the plane.
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Post by achelois on Sept 4, 2014 9:19:47 GMT -5
After reading this entire damn thread, I am going to be sure to buy out the entire row every time I fly now. I can't believe how rude some people are....on both sides of this fight! I'm glad I rarely fly, and I can usually get a one way flight for $100 or less where I do fly to. Buying out the whole row so I don't have to put up with a bunch of douche bags is definitely worth $300 one way!
My mom always says the world if full of rude and stupid people.... See, when people who don't like recliners resort to childish behavior (like the recliners) then they get all outraged. Like you guys who lean back with no regard, I just kick with no regard. You can say it won't bother you, but I know it will. Haha It would be like the massaging chairs when I get a pedicure. However, this thread has reminded me why I don't fly. Plus the TSA, of course, which I don't think was mentioned. Flying has just become too unpleasant from the time the terminal is entered. I have seen baggage thrown like the handlers were in a discus competition, too.
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Post by sheilaincali on Sept 4, 2014 9:21:33 GMT -5
Honestly Zib- that was 15 years ago. I don't remember if it was Benadryl or Nyquil. I gave him exactly what the doctor said to give him. In his defense- he didn't cry or kick any seats. He just wanted to "talk" to me and play in his seat with his race cars. He was pretty quiet but like I said- at 2am any noise is automatically amplified when he is the only one on the plane that wanted to be awake.
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Post by achelois on Sept 4, 2014 9:24:48 GMT -5
Lol! I feel sorry for your wife. Sounds like she has a huge child on her hands. All I picture is you stomping your feet and holding your breath until you pass out anytime she disagrees with you. Lmao!! That is so true...his wife is either a saint or she drinks...a LOT! She is a blow-up doll.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 4, 2014 9:25:47 GMT -5
Kind of like the early school bus. If a cell phone went off the offender was just about killed by the sleepers on the bus.
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Post by movingforward on Sept 4, 2014 9:39:52 GMT -5
On all long flights I bring earplugs. It helps a lot though I still find it extremely hard to sleep on a plane and I don't really want to take anything because medication tends to stick with me (e.g. I have had a Benadryl hangover the next day). That only makes me feel worse when I get off the plane. Since most flights to Europe are overnight flights that arrive either in the morning or early afternoon I don't want to have a medicine hangover. I typically just hope to get at least 2-3 hours of sleep and then force myself to stay up when I arrive at my destination. I am about to drop when night rolls around the first day but it does seem to help me adjust to the time difference faster by doing it this way. Sleeping on a plane sure would make the trip go by faster though. I slept maybe 1-2 hrs on the trip to Ireland and that was it. I have also noticed that European airlines are SO much better and I try to fly them whenever possible now.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 4, 2014 9:54:21 GMT -5
Lmao!! That is so true...his wife is either a saint or she drinks...a LOT! She is a blow-up doll. OMG...ryan is actually MuscleUp??
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Post by sheilaincali on Sept 4, 2014 10:10:39 GMT -5
OK so to recap here:
those of us that think it's rude to recline are drama queens, crybabies, etc. those of you that do recline think we are beyond rude if we ask you to put your seat back up so we can clean up our spilled drink, adjust a baby, do work or get something out of a carryon.
Ryan is either married to a saint, a drunk or a blow up doll? Miss T has a personality flaw that keeps her single?
I think I've hit all the highlights. And on that point I'm out. I need a break. It's been brewing for a while now and I've been thinking that it's time I step away from the boards. Who knows I may get bored a be back in a day or I may stay away for a while. I've stopped really "getting" anything out of the boards and I don't enjoy all the negativity and I don't like myself when I stoop to that level.
When I turned 39 last week I made a conscious decision to try to be less negative and bitchy and this board makes it way too easy for me to cross over to that "dark" side. I'm starting to see how arguing with people on the internet ruins my day more often than it improves my day. So I wish you all a wonderful day and let you return to your arguing.
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Post by justme on Sept 4, 2014 10:20:09 GMT -5
Not saying I do it on purpose (ok if the person in front of me is a real asshole I probably wouldn't try to be as careful as possible, but honestly that hasn't happened in a long while) but I move a lot on airplanes with my 35" or so legs. Lots of crossing and uncrossing and recrossing during the flight - that invariably hits the seat in front of me if it is reclined. If it's only an inch or two I can usually avoid hitting it (sometimes my knees/legs/feet have a mind of their own) but if the seat happens to recline more, well there's almost no way for me to avoid it in my fidgeting around. And, subconsciously, the more I'm closed in the more I fidget.
90% of my travel is work related and they won't pay anything more than the base fare. I don't have the money to upgrade (for flights I'm not choosing to take) and most of the time the flights are last minute so upgrades are sold out anyways. I do always try to check in right at 24 hours when the open up a number of extra charge seats for free, but that only helps if people haven't bought them already. I think I've gotten an exit row seat about 50% of the time doing it that way. Luckily it's been rare that I've had a problem with flights - and they usually get tired of my fidgeting if it's hitting their reclined seat. Oh, and every flight I've been on has been under 3 hours save for one.
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Post by swamp on Sept 4, 2014 10:25:53 GMT -5
1. I recline. 2. I will sit up straight if you need to get something under the seat, if you ask me nicely. 3. I fly with my kids, have never put them in a car seat, and always bought them a seat, even if they were an infant. 4. When I brought booster seats on the plane for the rental car in FL, the flight attendants had a conniption and though we were going to try to put the kids in the boosters on the plane.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 4, 2014 10:38:10 GMT -5
OK so to recap here:
those of us that think it's rude to recline are drama queens, crybabies, etc. those of you that do recline think we are beyond rude if we ask you to put your seat back up so we can clean up our spilled drink, adjust a baby, do work or get something out of a carryon.
Ryan is either married to a saint, a drunk or a blow up doll? Miss T has a personality flaw that keeps her single?
I think I've hit all the highlights. And on that point I'm out. I need a break. It's been brewing for a while now and I've been thinking that it's time I step away from the boards. Who knows I may get bored a be back in a day or I may stay away for a while. I've stopped really "getting" anything out of the boards and I don't enjoy all the negativity and I don't like myself when I stoop to that level.
When I turned 39 last week I made a conscious decision to try to be less negative and bitchy and this board makes it way too easy for me to cross over to that "dark" side. I'm starting to see how arguing with people on the internet ruins my day more often than it improves my day. So I wish you all a wonderful day and let you return to your arguing.
I totally own my personality flaw...but my husband would probably take issue with you all saying I'm single...though a girl can dream, right??
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Post by movingforward on Sept 4, 2014 11:00:57 GMT -5
Actually I am glad we had this conversation. Between business and personal travel I fly quite a bit. When I step on the plane I expect that every single person who is able to recline will do so at some point. I realize they don't but that is the expectation I have when I board the plane. I have never had anyone ask me not to recline. Honestly, I never even knew this was an issue. If someone did ask me nicely not to recline for a bit and gave me a good reason then I would do so. Seriously, I have flown more times than I can count and this whole reclining thing has never come up once. It seems to me there is a bit of a pattern here - those of us who fly quite often (myself, MT, GG, honey) recline and assume everyone else will recline as well. Those that don't travel very often think it is rude to recline without asking. Am I wrong about this pattern
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Post by Firebird on Sept 4, 2014 11:12:00 GMT -5
Those that don't travel very often think it is rude to recline without asking. Am I wrong about this pattern
I fly at least six times a year on average and I think it's rude to recline without asking/checking if you're flying during the day when you wouldn't expect people to be sleeping. Night flights are a different story. I do expect everyone to recline on a night flight. I'm kind of pissed that the negativity has driven off sheilaincali but I get where she's coming from because she echoed a lot of my sentiments about this board of late. Maybe we're all just wearing on each other?
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Post by Ryan on Sept 4, 2014 11:19:05 GMT -5
I'm very limber, so it would be no problem at all to place both of my feet on the back of your seat. Based on the way you're talking, I think you're probably the "broke ass" one. No wonder it's Miss Tequila and not Mrs. Tequila...haha. Yep...you confirmed it. Broke ass who never flew You use the words "broke ass" and you like to talk about drinking. You're either 19 or you still think it's cool to talk about how much you drink. Dr. Phil
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 4, 2014 11:27:31 GMT -5
Yep...you confirmed it. Broke ass who never flew You use the words "broke ass" and you like to talk about drinking. You're either 19 or you still think it's cool to talk about how much you drink. Dr. Phil ryan called me young
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 4, 2014 11:29:51 GMT -5
Those that don't travel very often think it is rude to recline without asking. Am I wrong about this pattern
I fly at least six times a year on average and I think it's rude to recline without asking/checking if you're flying during the day when you wouldn't expect people to be sleeping. Night flights are a different story. I do expect everyone to recline on a night flight. I'm kind of pissed that the negativity has driven off sheilaincali but I get where she's coming from because she echoed a lot of my sentiments about this board of late. Maybe we're all just wearing on each other? Here is the thing...just because YOU think it is rude doesn't actually make it rude
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 4, 2014 11:34:32 GMT -5
ryan called me young I actually think he called you a booze hag ... potato/potahto... Vodka!
And he gets me...he REALLY gets me!
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Post by Firebird on Sept 4, 2014 11:38:04 GMT -5
Here is the thing...just because YOU think it is rude doesn't actually make it rude
Just because you don't find it rude doesn't make it not rude either. It works both ways.
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Post by Ryan on Sept 4, 2014 11:39:09 GMT -5
Those that don't travel very often think it is rude to recline without asking. Am I wrong about this pattern
I fly at least six times a year on average and I think it's rude to recline without asking/checking if you're flying during the day when you wouldn't expect people to be sleeping. Night flights are a different story. I do expect everyone to recline on a night flight. I'm kind of pissed that the negativity has driven off sheilaincali but I get where she's coming from because she echoed a lot of my sentiments about this board of late. Maybe we're all just wearing on each other? Here is the thing...just because YOU think it is rude doesn't actually make it rude Actually, if she considers it rude then it is rude to her. Just like if I think you're an idiot, then to me you are an idiot. To others, you might be slightly less of an idiot. There is no official board of review that determines whether or not something is rude.
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Post by swamp on Sept 4, 2014 11:39:16 GMT -5
I don't think it's rude to recline. I never even knew it was an issue with anyone until I read it on here, and I fly at least once a year.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 4, 2014 11:42:08 GMT -5
Here is the thing...just because YOU think it is rude doesn't actually make it rude Actually, if she considers it rude then it is rude to her. Just like if I think you're an idiot, then to me you are an idiot. To others, you might be slightly less of an idiot. There is no official board of review that determines whether or not something is rude. Actually...I'm pretty sure some of the posters in this thread think THEY are the official board of what everyone else in the world can do. Luckily, I march to my own drunken beat
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 4, 2014 11:45:15 GMT -5
I don't think it's rude to recline. I never even knew it was an issue with anyone until I read it on here, and I fly at least once a year. I was probably on about 24 flights last year...I've never encountered the whining and complaining about reclining that I am reading in this thread.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Sept 4, 2014 11:57:32 GMT -5
I used to fly a lot for work and in general, I think reclining (and, more importantly, how people recline) is rude.
I think people are overlooking the fact that it depends a lot on what is going on behind you. If the person behind you is tall or carries most of their length in their legs, reclining can mean that their legs get jammed into the back of your seat. That is painful and unnecessary. People overlook that manners and etiquette are about considering other people and how your behavior affects them.
I view tallness differently from obesity. You can't do anything about your height or where your length is (legs vs. torso). People have a lot more control over obesity and being large (I know, I know, there are a few people out there who have med issues and can't but let's get real... in general, most 500 lb people didn't get there from being "big boned" or having a "slow metabolism"). As such, I don't think people who are tall should have to pay more for a longer seat. If that was the case, I think that handicapped people should have to pay for the services to get them on/off the plane.
Long story long, just consider what is going on behind you in your decision to recline. I turn around and ask the person if they mind before reclining. If the person is like 7 feet tall, I don't because I know it will hurt them. If the person is shorter and says they prefer I don't, I don't recline. The extra 1-2 inches of recline isn't going to improve my comfort enough as compared to making them miserable.
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Post by movingforward on Sept 4, 2014 11:58:34 GMT -5
I fly 10 - 15 times a year and have never had any issues. My ex is 6'6" and flies all over the country. He never once complained about anyone reclining. Sometimes he was able to upgrade and sometimes he wasn't. Next week I am flying to Dallas for a few days and then from Dallas to Vegas. The flight to Dallas is very short so I probably won't recline anyway. For the flight to Vegas my new plan is to recline my seat while people are boarding. I will be one of the first on the plane because I am flying SWA and my company paid to guarantee me a group A boarding pass. I figure if I recline until take off then people getting on the plane will know I plan to recline and they can either choose to sit behind me or not sit behind me. It is their choice.
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