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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 29, 2014 9:49:00 GMT -5
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Post by movingforward on Aug 29, 2014 9:51:16 GMT -5
Yes, I recline and I fully expect the person in front of me to recline.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 29, 2014 9:54:07 GMT -5
I pay for a reclining seat so I am going to damn well use it as a reclining seat. If the princess behind me doesn't like it, I don't really care. Af they are too large to sit comfortably in the space then they should upgrade where they get more room
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 29, 2014 10:01:27 GMT -5
I'm 5 foot 2 and have short legs and I was in a seat once that didn't recline so that wasn't an option. The biggest problem was when the person in front of me reclined his seat it hit me on the head. And I mean literally smacked me in the forehead. I don't think not wanting to be hit in the head makes me a princess. He actually apologized and put his seat back up. I think I should add him to my prayers every night for him foor being such a nice person and caring enough about a fellow traveler.
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Post by movingforward on Aug 29, 2014 10:04:46 GMT -5
I'm 5 foot 2 and have short legs and I was in a seat once that didn't recline so that wasn't an option. The biggest problem was when the person in front of me reclined his seat it hit me on the head. And I mean literally smacked me in the forehead. I don't think not wanting to be hit in the head makes me a princess. He actually apologized and put his seat back up. I think I should add him to my prayers every night for him foor being such a nice person and caring enough about a fellow traveler. His seat reclined far enough back to hit you in the head?
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 29, 2014 10:13:09 GMT -5
I'm 5 foot 2 and have short legs and I was in a seat once that didn't recline so that wasn't an option. The biggest problem was when the person in front of me reclined his seat it hit me on the head. And I mean literally smacked me in the forehead. I don't think not wanting to be hit in the head makes me a princess. He actually apologized and put his seat back up. I think I should add him to my prayers every night for him foor being such a nice person and caring enough about a fellow traveler. His seat reclined far enough back to hit you in the head? Not only hit me in the head but would have gone back even farther if my damn head hadn't gotten in the way. What the heck would a tall person be like in that seat? The flight attendants came running back and apologized to me for the seat and said if there were any free seats they won't let anyone seat there but it was a packed plane. I thank God that the person in front of me was so nice and understanding or that would have been a big problem!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 10:22:24 GMT -5
Only if I get permission from the person behind me. DH and I are both tall and we know how uncomfortable it is if the person in front of us reclines, so we choose to not make the person behind us uncomfortable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 10:24:38 GMT -5
I tend not to recline but don't mind when others do. I usually like cramped spaces I can wedge myself into.
I guess it's a leftover from riding the school bus until HS graduation, since the route could drop me off at work as well as home. My legs got pretty long, so my kneecaps were braced on the seat in front for 4 years, and I put my backpack on my lap so I could rest on it a bit and sleep. It was a 50 minute ride in both directions (out in the boonies) so I have nice memories of glazing over, letting my thoughts wander or napping in transit.
I enjoy caves and still like it in cars when someone in the front moves their seat back enough that my knees get braced.
I think the only spot I wasn't too keen on was a berth in a 20 foot sailboat. It was basically a narrow rectangle of fiberglass built into the hull. One end of the rectangle was open, and you slid in feet first. The remaining 5 sides were rigid fiberglass, like being in a coffin. Moisture from your breath condensed on the fiberglass overhead, and it felt pretty disorienting to wake up in a damp box, effectively.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 29, 2014 10:28:09 GMT -5
I must always ride in the 'cheap seats' cause I've never been in an airplane seat that "reclined" more than about 3 inches... The only way I had a clue that the person in front of me had 'reclined' was because the space above my folded down table wasn't as ample as the person sitting next to me (the person in front of him hadn't reclined). Maybe I'm not making the seat 'recline' correctly? You push the button and the seat moves back... are you suppose to press your body back into it to get it to go further back?
FWIW: I can see where this kind of thing would be annoying if you were using a laptop computer on the fold down table - cause it might not fit if the seat in front was reclined.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 29, 2014 10:31:18 GMT -5
I only recline on red eyes, when the entire row reclines. Otherwise, no.
When a seat reclines, I no longer have the ability to use my tray. So if someone uses one of their features, it prohibits me from using mine.
And I have also gotten hit in the head with a reclining seat.
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Post by sheilaincali on Aug 29, 2014 10:32:18 GMT -5
I very rarely recline my seat. Honestly I think it's rude to the person behind you, especially if they are sitting upright and trying to do some work. Depends on the time of the flight. If it's a redeye and nearly everyone is asleep (including the person behind me) than I will recline my seat some. I always look behind me first to see who's behind me. If they look like they need the room I'll stay sitting upright.
My parents just had this conversation the other day. They fly often and they were complaining about that. My dad often tries to work while he is stuck on the plane and people in front of him are forever kicking back and knocking his laptop over or spilling his soda. He's as direct as I am so he will speak up and politely say "excuse me, could you please put your seat back up a few clicks so I have some room to work?" He said he never puts his seat back if there is an adult sitting behind him with their seat still upright.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 29, 2014 10:40:05 GMT -5
Ive own on delta, US Air, American and a host of others and I have never had any issues with the seat reclining so far that it smacked me...and I'm over 5'8" tall! I also have no issues with the reclining seat when I'm working.
What kind if airlines do you guys fly in that the seats in front if you are in your lap? I fly a LOT for work and never have issues like you are all describing.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 29, 2014 10:42:20 GMT -5
I very rarely recline my seat. Honestly I think it's rude to the person behind you, especially if they are sitting upright and trying to do some work. Depends on the time of the flight. If it's a redeye and nearly everyone is asleep (including the person behind me) than I will recline my seat some. I always look behind me first to see who's behind me. If they look like they need the room I'll stay sitting upright.
My parents just had this conversation the other day. They fly often and they were complaining about that. My dad often tries to work while he is stuck on the plane and people in front of him are forever kicking back and knocking his laptop over or spilling his soda. He's as direct as I am so he will speak up and politely say "excuse me, could you please put your seat back up a few clicks so I have some room to work?" He said he never puts his seat back if there is an adult sitting behind him with their seat still upright. See, I think THAT is rude and I would refuse to out my seat up just out of spite for being rude to me. I never have issues working when the person in front of me reclines. Despite what we are reading in this thread, seats only recline a few inches. That is not enough to interfere with anyone working.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Aug 29, 2014 10:44:11 GMT -5
Yes, I recline and I fully expect the person in front of me to recline. Yes, just please don't slam your seat back at full tilt since you finished your meal 20 seconds before I did. That's the worst. Just recline slowly, don't push as hard as you can and as fast as you can!!
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Post by reader79 on Aug 29, 2014 10:45:42 GMT -5
I am 5'2" as well, and I very rarely recline. Usually only on flights over four hours or so. I normally don't mind when someone encroaches into my space, but when they slam back with force as soon as they are permitted I usually respond with a knee. I have only upgraded once to a seat with more legroom, this was when the rest of the aisle seats were booked, and I usually have to visit the restroom a few times.
Two times I have been seriously pissed with my fellow passengers. Once, I had the aisle seat, and had booked it months in advance. The flight is about to close when the guy with the middle one strolls up and tells me that I should just move over, because he needs the space. Umm, no? I get up and stand in the aisle to wait for him to sit down, and he is just staring at me. Finally the attendant comes over because she is trying to clear everything, I show her my boarding pass and she tells him to sit in the middle or get off the plane. The entirety of the flight he is stretching and moaning and bitching - mind you he is only maybe 5'6". I've given up my seat to large men before, but that was years ago, before they had the option of selecting a seat that fit them.
The second time we were on the way back from Hawaii, so about eleven hours in the air to NYC. This dude plops himself in the extra space row and settles in - unpacks his food, laptop in the seat pocket, etc. Flight attendant shows up to verify his ticket and he won't show it to her. Tells her that he must have 'misplaced' it, but he's good so she can leave. She tells him that for that seat he has to show his pass or she will be required to move him. Finally he come up with it, and of course he's next to me in the middle. She asks him to move, he says why because there is no one sitting there. They go back and forth until she pulls out a card scanner and tells him he can upgrade on the spot for a fee. He chooses his assigned seat, but gets up as soon as possible in the air and decides to 'wait for the bathroom' in the empty row. She comes back, they go back and forth again, and this continues for hours. And every time he goes in and out beside me it involves shoving me and stepping on my foot.
I hate people.
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Post by chen35 on Aug 29, 2014 10:49:00 GMT -5
Ive own on delta, US Air, American and a host of others and I have never had any issues with the seat reclining so far that it smacked me...and I'm over 5'8" tall! I also have no issues with the reclining seat when I'm working. What kind if airlines do you guys fly in that the seats in front if you are in your lap? I fly a LOT for work and never have issues like you are all describing. I fly Delta. If the person in front of me reclines, I no longer have the option of working on my laptop, unless I like looking at it halfway folded up. The biggest problem is that the airline has essentially sold that space to two people. So yes, you have the right to recline, and the person behind you has the right to use their tray and work if need be, but only one of those things can happen.
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Post by Ryan on Aug 29, 2014 10:56:26 GMT -5
I'm always really really surprised that people recline so much on flights because I just consider it REALLY rude. I'll do it every once in awhile if there is a little kid behind me and I know, for a fact, that there is plenty of open space. But if there is an adult, there is no way I'm reclining back into their space.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 29, 2014 10:59:10 GMT -5
Ive own on delta, US Air, American and a host of others and I have never had any issues with the seat reclining so far that it smacked me...and I'm over 5'8" tall! I also have no issues with the reclining seat when I'm working. What kind if airlines do you guys fly in that the seats in front if you are in your lap? I fly a LOT for work and never have issues like you are all describing. I fly Delta. If the person in front of me reclines, I no longer have the option of working on my laptop, unless I like looking at it halfway folded up. The biggest problem is that the airline has essentially sold that space to two people. So yes, you have the right to recline, and the person behind you has the right to use their tray and work if need be, but only one of those things can happen. And that sucks...but that is the airlines fault, not mine. If everyone hates recline seats then bitxh to the airlines until they stop allowing the seats to recline. But getting pissed off at a person for using their seat as it is intended is silly.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 29, 2014 10:59:54 GMT -5
I'm always really really surprised that people recline so much on flights because I just consider it REALLY rude. I'll do it every once in awhile if there is a little kid behind me and I know, for a fact, that there is plenty of open space. But if there is an adult, there is no way I'm reclining back into their space. I guess I'm rude...and I'm totally ok with it
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Aug 29, 2014 11:06:34 GMT -5
IMHO it is infinitely ruder to use a "knee defender" than it is to recline your seat.
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Post by midjd on Aug 29, 2014 11:06:52 GMT -5
Would that not also apply to getting pissed off at someone for politely asking that you allow them to use their seat (tray) as intended?
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 29, 2014 11:07:22 GMT -5
Mine was either Delta or Southwest. I blocked it from my brain. I think the problem was some rocket scientist decided to put another row in where they had not before because of room problems. but didn't change the seats in front to non reclining. It still would have been uncomfortable for anyone with legs longer than a toddler but it would have been doable. The seat in front of me reclining was simply not an option with me sitting there. Thank God the person in front of me was reasonable! The only other problem I had was once when I was in a window seat and the middle seat in front of me was reclined all the way. I had to ask them to sit up so I could go to the bathroom. They looked really surprised until they looked back and realized I really couldn't move with that back reclined. I would think it is normal to ask the person next to you to let you out but it was really weird to tap the person in the row in front of you if you can please use the rest room.
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Post by justme on Aug 29, 2014 11:12:19 GMT -5
I'm tall, if the person in front of me reclines more than an inch or two they are hitting my knees. On work trips I can't pay for the extra space, they only pay for the cheapest tickets. Sometimes I can snag an exit row for free if people didn't buy them all.
Luckily I haven't had much of a problem with it. Probably because most of my flights are to/from DC so it's mostly filled with business people who fly a lot.
I dislike the "I paid for the right to recline" argument because ya know what "I paid for the right to use my tray".
The one time I had trouble I ended up screaming in his ear because he bashed down on my knees so hard I couldn't help but say OW! He put it up a bit, but every time I moved my legs they banged into his chair and the magazine I was reading was right above his head cuz the chair was where I'd normally hold it. He put his chair up more after not too long.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Aug 29, 2014 11:13:55 GMT -5
This all came to new light with the publicizing of that little clamp device that lets you prevent the seat in front of you from reclining.
I think it is all part of a wretched symbiotic circle. Customers voted with their dollars and demanded lower fares. Airlines cut costs and increased passenger density to continue to provide lower fares. Customers continue to vote with their dollars. Airlines continue to respond.
I do question how much more a ticket would have to cost if there were less seats in the plane. I am sure there are subtleties to route planning as a whole. I'm sure... say... that always packed 7am Monday morning NY to DC flight offsets the 9:45pm Wednesday flight along the same or other routes.
I'm average height so I won't get crunched. I do feel for folks whose knees end up under constant pressure if someone leans. And yes, more than once, I had to have my laptop balance flush against my chest in order to watch a movie, because the person in front of me reclined. Thank goodness for tablets which at least let me use the table without worry of a screen crush from a recliner!
I'm of the mind that the seat reclines and everyone has the right to use it. Obviously I like it better when the person doesn't recline, but they have the right to.
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Post by sesfw on Aug 29, 2014 11:15:27 GMT -5
I seldom recline but if I do it's only the first notch.
Coming back from London to Phoenix with friends several years ago. My friends sat in a different area of the plane and had a 10 yr old with mommy in front of them. Munchkin slammed her seat back as far as possible and complained to mommy that my friend's knee poked her in the back. The seat being slammed made my friend's wine glass spill. Mommy told the flight attendant and said attendant told my friend to stop poking the child in the back. My friend is a tall lady with long legs and there wasn't much she could do about it.
Personally I would have asked mommy for her address so I could send the cleaning bill to her. Mommy should have told daughter that sometimes she can't have everything she wants and to deal with it.
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Aug 29, 2014 11:19:30 GMT -5
Why? Why is airline seat reclining suddenly a newsworthy issue after decades? Has society become so selfish, entitled and addicted to their electronic distractions that they forget fellow, real life humans are alive, well, and walk among them?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 29, 2014 11:30:00 GMT -5
Why? Why is airline seat reclining suddenly a newsworthy issue after decades? Has society become so selfish, entitled and addicted to their electronic distractions that they forget fellow, real life humans are alive, well, and walk among them? Because airlines have been putting less and less space between the seats, so now when you recline the back of your seat is 6" in front of my face. "I paid for a reclining seat and I'll use it if I want." Great, I paid for a soda and I'll it down your back if I want.
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 29, 2014 11:31:52 GMT -5
Why? Why is airline seat reclining suddenly a newsworthy issue after decades? Has society become so selfish, entitled and addicted to their electronic distractions that they forget fellow, real life humans are alive, well, and walk among them? I think it started happening because the seats in regular coach have been squeezed together to the point that as one poster said, the same space has been rented to two different people. Once they did that Newton's laws of physics came into play.
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Post by sheilaincali on Aug 29, 2014 11:33:05 GMT -5
Why? Why is airline seat reclining suddenly a newsworthy issue after decades? Has society become so selfish, entitled and addicted to their electronic distractions that they forget fellow, real life humans are alive, well, and walk among them?
FWIW- when my dad has asked someone to put their seat up he is polite about it and promises to let them know as soon as he is done with his work so they can recline back further. I would feel like a jackass if the person seated behind me had an uncomfortable and unpleasant flight because of my actions.
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Post by ZaireinHD on Aug 29, 2014 11:32:58 GMT -5
IG This topic was on my news networks this morning. People are fighting and this last situation the Marshals jumped in to protect the flight attendant.
which turned out to be a spin off topic of should the flight Marshals have jumped in because they are there ONLY for terrorist threats.
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