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Post by Firebird on Sept 3, 2014 10:53:14 GMT -5
Do you use a laptop? I keep hearing everyone say they can use their tray, but I think it really depends on what you are using it for. To rest the teacup sized pop they hand out... yeah no problem To effectively see a laptop screen... problem Yes I use a laptop. I also will read and proof reports when I'm traveling. Then why do you need to recline your seat? Just to prove you can? If you're working, aren't you sitting up?
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Sept 3, 2014 11:11:28 GMT -5
Interesting resolution to the reclining issue posted on Business Insider's FB page: AirGo
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 3, 2014 11:30:45 GMT -5
I never called anyone a liar. But yes, I do think those of you acting like a reclining seat is the end of the world are drama queens Yeah, okay. We flew multiple times when Babybird was an infant (~6 weeks) so she could meet her extended family. She was nursing at the time so basically she was on my lap (in a sling) through the whole flight. She slept through most of the flights. At one point I had my tray down (probably because I was eating my snack and drinking my juice) and some asshole reclined the seat without looking, which shoved the tray into Babybird's side. Obviously she woke up. I was not pleased, and asked him to move his seat back up (politely). He refused to comply, even when I explained why. But I guess he had every right to be a jerk and stick his tray into my kid's back. That was clearly my fault for being a "drama queen" But you act like he intentionally slammed his seat into your baby's back. I really doubt he did. I have never been on a plane where the seats go WAY back like some of the posters on here, but assuming they aren't exaggerating...what you are asking this man is to have someone else's seat in HIS face but yet he can't recline his.
I'm not saying that if I were the person in the seat that I wouldn't have put my seat up if you asked me nicely. Honestly, it depends on how you asked me and what I was doing. But at the end of the day, this is on the airlines. If we aren't supposed to recline then the seats shouldn't be made to recline.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 3, 2014 11:32:30 GMT -5
Yes I use a laptop. I also will read and proof reports when I'm traveling. Then why do you need to recline your seat? Just to prove you can? If you're working, aren't you sitting up? I work, read, listen to music, etc....and even when I'm working from home I am usually in a reclining seat on my couch because it is more comfortable.
Of course I am sitting up...you do realize that these seats only recline a few inches, right? It isn't like I'm actually laying in the person's lap behind me...and you wonder why I say all of you complaining are drama queens.
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Post by movingforward on Sept 3, 2014 11:35:39 GMT -5
Well, I am flying next week and fully plan to recline my seat . I am flying SWA so I can pick my seat. I typically try not to sit in front of tall people and I avoid people with kids like the plague so hopefully I won't piss anyone off. I seriously want to know what planes you all are on where the seats recline so far back. I actually want to fly on one of these planes. They sound a hell of lot more comfy than the ones I have been on - at least for those that recline
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Post by Firebird on Sept 3, 2014 11:47:27 GMT -5
But you act like he intentionally slammed his seat into your baby's back. I really doubt he did.
What's wrong with peeking behind you before reclining your seat to make sure that there's no baby, or glass of wine, or laptop, or anything else that might cause you to rethink the recline (or at least warn them it's coming)?
Anyway, he may not have done it on purpose but he did refuse to put his seat back up. (FWIW, I think I tapped him on the shoulder and said something like, "Excuse me, would you mind putting your seat back up? The tray is right up against my baby and she's trying to sleep.")
I guess I just don't understand what you want to hear. Yes, you have a right to recline. But sometimes you maybe don't NEED to recline. And if you consider a person "rude" just for asking you to move it up, then I really don't know what to say.
Like I said in the other thread, politeness and manners go a long way.
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Post by Firebird on Sept 3, 2014 11:49:15 GMT -5
Of course I am sitting up...you do realize that these seats only recline a few inches, right? It isn't like I'm actually laying in the person's lap behind me...and you wonder why I say all of you complaining are drama queens.
A few inches is enough to cause serious discomfort when (as multiple people have stated) the space between seats is 31 inches.
YES, this is a problem with the airline BUT... given that there's nothing the airline, you, or your seatmate can do about the configuration at a plane during that very moment, maybe it's not going to kill you to have a little common courtesy for the person sitting behind you.
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Sept 3, 2014 12:27:14 GMT -5
Interesting resolution to the reclining issue posted on Business Insider's FB page: AirGoAm I missing something... how the hell are you supposed to use a laptop? And I'd like to meet the person who is able to drink coffee in a reclined position.
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Post by sesfw on Sept 3, 2014 12:46:48 GMT -5
But at the end of the day, this is on the airlines.
Airlines have crammed in so many people that these disagreements are bound to happen. It's like someone in the middle seat between two oversized people. The oversized people like to recline because they don't have room for their tummies if they don't.
Money overrides common sense.
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Post by movingforward on Sept 3, 2014 13:42:48 GMT -5
Seriously? I see people doing this all the time. I am convinced you all live on a different planet than I do. I have never had a problem drinking, eating, watching my kindle, working on my laptop etc. in a reclined position OR with the person in front of me reclined.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Sept 3, 2014 13:44:53 GMT -5
Interesting resolution to the reclining issue posted on Business Insider's FB page: AirGoThe article talks about 40" - 50" of pitch. If we had 40" of pitch, the current seats would be fine.
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Post by 973beachbum on Sept 3, 2014 14:03:26 GMT -5
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2740459/Unruly-passengers-force-Delta-Airlines-plane-divert-THIRD-mid-air-fight-reclining-seats-just-week.htmlI am posting this not for the story. The woman protesting the seat in front of her reclining sounds like a crazy person to me. But the pics in the article are close to what I am used to. The second pic looks almost exactly like my last seat. Probably only 5-6 inches but not the 2 or 3 people here are saying although I'm sure it doesn't feel like a lot. My problem is that pic shows the guy with the newspaper also reclining so it isn't so bad. What happens though if the seat behind can't recline also? It isn't rocket science to know that if my head in in the space that the seat in front of me reclines into there is going to be at least one of us mightily upset if it reclines.
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Post by movingforward on Sept 3, 2014 14:08:26 GMT -5
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2740459/Unruly-passengers-force-Delta-Airlines-plane-divert-THIRD-mid-air-fight-reclining-seats-just-week.htmlI am posting this not for the story. The woman protesting the seat in front of her reclining sounds like a crazy person to me. But the pics in the article are close to what I am used to. The second pic looks almost exactly like my last seat. Probably only 5-6 inches but not the 2 or 3 people here are saying although I'm sure it doesn't feel like a lot. My problem is that pic shows the guy with the newspaper also reclining so it isn't so bad. What happens though if the seat behind can't recline also? It isn't rocket science to know that if my head in in the space that the seat in front of me reclines into there is going to be at least one of us mightily upset if it reclines. Thank you for posting this beach because I actually needed to see it due to the fact that I have never been on a flight where the seats reclined that far back. Interesting...
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Post by techguy on Sept 3, 2014 15:03:08 GMT -5
I never called anyone a liar. But yes, I do think those of you acting like a reclining seat is the end of the world are drama queens Yeah, okay. We flew multiple times when Babybird was an infant (~6 weeks) so she could meet her extended family. She was nursing at the time so basically she was on my lap (in a sling) through the whole flight. She slept through most of the flights. At one point I had my tray down (probably because I was eating my snack and drinking my juice) and some asshole reclined the seat without looking, which shoved the tray into Babybird's side. Obviously she woke up. I was not pleased, and asked him to move his seat back up (politely). He refused to comply, even when I explained why. But I guess he had every right to be a jerk and stick his tray into my kid's back. That was clearly my fault for being a "drama queen" I'm sorry Firebird, but it seems like you want it and you want it all: 1) You want others to give you MORE space to accommodate BabyBird in your lap. Having a Baby in your lap will take up more of your proximity space so you get irritated when others "recline" into a space that you personally made smaller for yourself. 2) You want to use your tray to hold your snack and drink your juice even though you did not have enough room to accommodate both Babybird and the tray in the same vicinity comfortably. You could have left your tray up to prevent the tray from hitting Babybird. You call the stranger a jerk but sorry it seems like you are the jerk for wanting it both ways. You could have purchased another seat for Babybird, but no, you wanted Babybird on your lap for free and want the stranger in front to not recline his seat to invade 'your space'. Thus, your comfort trumps his comfort in this scenario. Think about it.
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Post by Firebird on Sept 3, 2014 15:17:49 GMT -5
2) You want to use your tray to hold your snack and drink your juice even though you did not have enough room to accommodate both Babybird and the tray in the same vicinity comfortably. You could have left your tray up to prevent the tray from hitting Babybird.
Which I would have done if I'd known I needed to do it. This was an afternoon flight, I wasn't expecting the guy to randomly recline halfway through it.
Once he refused to put his seat up, I put my snack/drink on DH's tray.
By the way, until he reclined the seat Babybird and the tray could both fit fine - not comfortably, but adequately.
Thus, your comfort trumps his comfort in this scenario. Think about it.
It's a silly argument because my comfort is not "more" important than his. But neither is his more important than mine.
And my beef was more with his rudeness, not the recline itself. He could have at least checked to see if I had a baby, laptop or drink in front of me first - that's what I would do, if I wanted to recline the seat at an unexpected time.
I reacted badly to Tina saying that it's rude to even ask someone to sit back up for a few minutes. I don't think that's rude at all if you ask politely (which I did).
Again, I don't disagree that the problem is with the airline. But given that it IS a problem, I don't think common courtesy is asking so much. If you want to recline your seat, why not at least check behind you first to make sure you won't be interrupting someone / spilling their drink / hitting their kid?
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Post by Firebird on Sept 3, 2014 15:27:47 GMT -5
I guess I just don't understand this mentality of "I'll get what I paid for, dammit! Who cares if I really need it or whether it's putting someone else in serious discomfort, it's mine and I'm having it."
I get that sometimes people need to recline for medical reasons or during a lengthy overnight flight. And yes, it's ultimately on the airline for creating this dumbass situation in the first place. But if someone behind you has a compelling reason for you not to recline, you don't absolutely NEED to recline, and they ask you politely - why not just accommodate, or at least meet them halfway?
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Sept 3, 2014 15:29:44 GMT -5
Personally, I feel badly for infants on flights. They cry, they're in a confined space, and their little ears are subject cabin pressure plugging. They can't chew gum or understand the words "yawn" to get them to pop. My sis took niece #1 on a flight when she was about 5 months old. My usually balanced, mellow sister was all, "NEVER again!!"
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Post by Firebird on Sept 3, 2014 15:33:20 GMT -5
My sis took niece #1 on a flight when she was about 5 months old. My usually balanced, mellow sister was all, "NEVER again!!"
It's not easy, but personally I found it easier with an infant than a 9 month old who wanted to squirm around everywhere At least babies can't run around like crazy. And if you give them a bottle or a nurse they usually calm down after awhile.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 3, 2014 16:34:09 GMT -5
I guess I just don't understand this mentality of "I'll get what I paid for, dammit! Who cares if I really need it or whether it's putting someone else in serious discomfort, it's mine and I'm having it." I get that sometimes people need to recline for medical reasons or during a lengthy overnight flight. And yes, it's ultimately on the airline for creating this dumbass situation in the first place. But if someone behind you has a compelling reason for you not to recline, you don't absolutely NEED to recline, and they ask you politely - why not just accommodate, or at least meet them halfway? See, here is my issue with your situation. You actually can buy a seat for your child but your are choosing not to. That is up to you to decide what is the right thing to do (me, I don't drive around in a car with an infant on my lap so I'm certainly not going to flight and risk turbulence with one on my lap). But I do have a major issue with you expecting the world to accomodate your choice. If there isn't enough room to comfortably sit, knowing that seats recline, buy another seat for your child
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Post by Firebird on Sept 3, 2014 16:44:12 GMT -5
But I do have a major issue with you expecting the world to accomodate your choice.
As I said several times, my issue wasn't with the reclining itself as much as the rudeness. I thought he was rude (so did DH and the guy next to him, who commented quietly) but we didn't want to make a huge scene so I just put up my tray and moved the drink to his tray.
And what about people who aren't expecting you to accommodate their "choice"? The baby obviously is a choice, but what about people whose legs are simply too long to fit comfortably if you recline your seat? What are they supposed to do about that, have surgery?
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Post by Ryan on Sept 3, 2014 16:54:47 GMT -5
I guess I just don't understand this mentality of "I'll get what I paid for, dammit! Who cares if I really need it or whether it's putting someone else in serious discomfort, it's mine and I'm having it." I get that sometimes people need to recline for medical reasons or during a lengthy overnight flight. And yes, it's ultimately on the airline for creating this dumbass situation in the first place. But if someone behind you has a compelling reason for you not to recline, you don't absolutely NEED to recline, and they ask you politely - why not just accommodate, or at least meet them halfway? See, here is my issue with your situation. You actually can buy a seat for your child but your are choosing not to. That is up to you to decide what is the right thing to do (me, I don't drive around in a car with an infant on my lap so I'm certainly not going to flight and risk turbulence with one on my lap). But I do have a major issue with you expecting the world to accomodate your choice. If there isn't enough room to comfortably sit, knowing that seats recline, buy another seat for your child I think it's obvious why people wouldn't buy a seat for their child, right? Babies need to be held practically the entire time anyways. Just because you buy a seat for your child, doesn't mean that you're off the hook as far as holding the baby.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 3, 2014 16:59:28 GMT -5
See, here is my issue with your situation. You actually can buy a seat for your child but your are choosing not to. That is up to you to decide what is the right thing to do (me, I don't drive around in a car with an infant on my lap so I'm certainly not going to flight and risk turbulence with one on my lap). But I do have a major issue with you expecting the world to accomodate your choice. If there isn't enough room to comfortably sit, knowing that seats recline, buy another seat for your child I think it's obvious why people wouldn't buy a seat for their child, right? Babies need to be held practically the entire time anyways. Just because you buy a seat for your child, doesn't mean that you're off the hook as far as holding the baby. Really? Because i went on long car trips with my kids when they were babies and they always sat in car seats and the seat was always belted to the seat. Should I have held them instead?
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Post by emma1420 on Sept 3, 2014 17:01:00 GMT -5
I guess I just don't understand this mentality of "I'll get what I paid for, dammit! Who cares if I really need it or whether it's putting someone else in serious discomfort, it's mine and I'm having it." I get that sometimes people need to recline for medical reasons or during a lengthy overnight flight. And yes, it's ultimately on the airline for creating this dumbass situation in the first place. But if someone behind you has a compelling reason for you not to recline, you don't absolutely NEED to recline, and they ask you politely - why not just accommodate, or at least meet them halfway? Because ultimately, I care about my comfort the most. I go into the situation trying to make myself as comfortable as possible (which is another reason I don't switch seats). If that means reclining then I will recline. If someone is has issues with reclining seats then it is their responsibility to seek out an alternative. And there are alternatives on most airlines. What I find though is that people want the cheapest possible ticket and then complain when they don't get the same benefits and treatment as those people who paid more.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 3, 2014 17:02:10 GMT -5
I guess I just don't understand this mentality of "I'll get what I paid for, dammit! Who cares if I really need it or whether it's putting someone else in serious discomfort, it's mine and I'm having it." I get that sometimes people need to recline for medical reasons or during a lengthy overnight flight. And yes, it's ultimately on the airline for creating this dumbass situation in the first place. But if someone behind you has a compelling reason for you not to recline, you don't absolutely NEED to recline, and they ask you politely - why not just accommodate, or at least meet them halfway? Because ultimately, I care about my comfort the most. I go into the situation trying to make myself as comfortable as possible (which is another reason I don't switch seats). If that means reclining then I will recline. If someone is has issues with reclining seats then it is their responsibility to seek out an alternative. And there are alternatives on most airlines. What I find though is that people want the cheapest possible ticket and then complain when they don't get the same benefits and treatment as those people who paid more. So much this!
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Post by souldoubt on Sept 3, 2014 17:07:24 GMT -5
And what about people who aren't expecting you to accommodate their "choice"? The baby obviously is a choice, but what about people whose legs are simply too long to fit comfortably if you recline your seat? What are they supposed to do about that, have surgery? That's what the upgraded seats with more leg room are for. They aren't business or first class they're economy rows that have more leg room and can be upgraded to.
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Post by emma1420 on Sept 3, 2014 17:12:01 GMT -5
See, here is my issue with your situation. You actually can buy a seat for your child but your are choosing not to. That is up to you to decide what is the right thing to do (me, I don't drive around in a car with an infant on my lap so I'm certainly not going to flight and risk turbulence with one on my lap). But I do have a major issue with you expecting the world to accomodate your choice. If there isn't enough room to comfortably sit, knowing that seats recline, buy another seat for your child I think it's obvious why people wouldn't buy a seat for their child, right? Babies need to be held practically the entire time anyways. Just because you buy a seat for your child, doesn't mean that you're off the hook as far as holding the baby. It's safer to put your child in a car seat on a plane. Although to be honest, I don't think children under the age of 3-4 belong on a plane, unless there is no other way to travel between those two points.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 3, 2014 17:13:40 GMT -5
So, I'm wondering what people would say if Firebird had framed her statement a little differently.
Would people say Firebird was at fault if the baby fell asleep on her lap while nursing or just after nursing? Or what if the baby wanted to comfort nurse?
Or are nursing mothers not supposed to go on airplanes, period?
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Post by Ryan on Sept 3, 2014 17:14:49 GMT -5
And what about people who aren't expecting you to accommodate their "choice"? The baby obviously is a choice, but what about people whose legs are simply too long to fit comfortably if you recline your seat? What are they supposed to do about that, have surgery? That's what the upgraded seats with more leg room are for. They aren't business or first class they're economy rows that have more leg room and can be upgraded to. It's much easier to just kick the chair of the person in-front of me though. At least I can enjoy the fact that I'm making their life miserable. Let's face it, getting your chair bumped is WAY worse than having less leg room.
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Post by Ryan on Sept 3, 2014 17:15:22 GMT -5
I think it's obvious why people wouldn't buy a seat for their child, right? Babies need to be held practically the entire time anyways. Just because you buy a seat for your child, doesn't mean that you're off the hook as far as holding the baby. It's safer to put your child in a car seat on a plane. Although to be honest, I don't think children under the age of 3-4 belong on a plane, unless there is no other way to travel between those two points. To follow the logic presented in this thread, if you don't like babies on a plane then you should get a private jet.
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Post by movingforward on Sept 3, 2014 17:16:40 GMT -5
That's what the upgraded seats with more leg room are for. They aren't business or first class they're economy rows that have more leg room and can be upgraded to. It's much easier to just kick the chair of the person in-front of me though. At least I can enjoy the fact that I'm making their life miserable. Let's face it, getting your chair bumped is WAY worse than having less leg room. Actually you aren't. I just stick a pillow behind my back.
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