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Post by Angel! on Aug 11, 2014 18:13:31 GMT -5
I told him pretty early on that there is always a small chance that my ex might show up drunk one night. I would have felt guilty not warning him just in case something happened. It didn't even phase him & he said he wasn't worried about. I actually think it made him want to be around more because it made him worry, which wasn't what I wanted - I don't want him to get a white knight thing & feel like he needs to save me. Right now he is off on his two weeks for reserve stuff, so he isn't around for the current drama anyway. I also haven't told ex ANYTHING about this guy. He has been assuming I've been dating someone since long before I was even thinking about dating. Apparently he feels that if I decided to no longer be with him, that could only be because I found someone new. He has also sent emails recently about letting him know when the adoption papers are ready so he can give custody of the kids to my "new man" Dumbass. He also went through a phase where he kept asking when me & my man & him & his woman could all hang out & get to know each other....I'm thinking never. Wow! He is really, ummm, the nicest way I can say this is he's having sex with your mind - or trying to. I agree with those that say he's trying to get a reaction and you need to just ignore him completely and just keep it brief and only about the kids. RE: Your concerns about future relationships. Hopefully all the crap he's pulled will be so ingrained that if somebody else tries similar your gut will warn you and set off red flags. Just go very slowly and don't ever try to "save" future prospects. Based on what I've read about your ex and his behaviors you were always trying to save or fix him. Almost in a motherly way. If you feel you are having to be motherly to a grown man or to save/fix him you know you are in trouble again.
If they raise a hand to you or shove you in anger (as opposed to playfully) that should be a deal breaker for you. First time. No excuses acceptable. Good advice & thank you. I was always trying to save him. It was always "if we can just get through X, then things will get better". But, they never did. I do realize now that you can't change a person no matter how much you might try, so hopefully I remember that going forward. It did totally become a parent/child relationship and was probably doomed from that point forward. I laugh because his emails basically read like he needs a mom & who is going to help him & take care of him. He talks a lot about trying to get back with his ex (from before me) and how she doesn't want him either & he doesn't understand why the only two women he ever loved want nothing to do with him. I think maybe he is just losing it, the drugs scrambled his brains because mentally he is way worse than he was even a year ago. He has turned into an idiot. I don't know what buttons he thinks he will push by telling me he wants one of us back, but doesn't particularly care which one. Oh please, pick me, let me take care of you while you refuse to work or help pay bills!!! But good news...this time he wants to really try. He said he never really tried to fix our relationship before and he realizes now that was a mistake. But, don't be confused because our relationship failed because I didn't love him enough, I don't know the real meaning of marriage, and I'm not willing to overlook a single mistake . It is sad because our kids will forever be punished because I am such a selfish person that doesn't know the meaning of love. So as a result my kids will never get to know their father. But I am really the devil & he shouldn't want to be with me anyway because all I ever do is look down on him & make him feel bad about himself...I am truly evil. But, for some reason he just can't stop loving me & even when he is sleeping with other women he really just wants to be with me ... or his ex but he was very sad when she said no when he proposed. But she said no, so he is still on the market & willing to work things out with me, if I am willing to really try this time. Sorry, apparently I have months worth of anger over texts & emails that I really haven't shared with anyone. I don't know, but until last August he always seemed sincerely to want to work things out & admit his mistakes. Now he is all over the place & blames everyone for everything & sounds like a crazy person some of the time. I have learned it wasn't his fault he did drugs this last time...it was peer pressue. He said no at least twice, but they just kept asking if he wanted some
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Post by swamp on Aug 11, 2014 18:19:54 GMT -5
You need to print out the texts. If you are ever tempted to get back together, read them.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 11, 2014 18:25:40 GMT -5
Aren't you dating someone else now Angel? I am. Although this thread is making me nervous with the talk of repeating patterns & such. I know there is a huge tendency for women to just find the same guy over an over again. I truly don't think that is what I am doing, but what if I just can't see it I've never been divorced, so what the heck do I know - but I was truly shocked to find out you started dating *this* soon after having a baby with someone else. I don't think I will ever understand how a person can go from wanting a child and having a child with John to moving to Tommy 5 seconds later. So, while the new guy might be the dream come true and the male version of mother Theresa - I wonder why can't you be by yourself for longer than 5 seconds.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Aug 11, 2014 18:37:15 GMT -5
Wow! He is really, ummm, the nicest way I can say this is he's having sex with your mind - or trying to. I agree with those that say he's trying to get a reaction and you need to just ignore him completely and just keep it brief and only about the kids. RE: Your concerns about future relationships. Hopefully all the crap he's pulled will be so ingrained that if somebody else tries similar your gut will warn you and set off red flags. Just go very slowly and don't ever try to "save" future prospects. Based on what I've read about your ex and his behaviors you were always trying to save or fix him. Almost in a motherly way. If you feel you are having to be motherly to a grown man or to save/fix him you know you are in trouble again.
If they raise a hand to you or shove you in anger (as opposed to playfully) that should be a deal breaker for you. First time. No excuses acceptable. Good advice & thank you. I was always trying to save him. It was always "if we can just get through X, then things will get better". But, they never did. I do realize now that you can't change a person no matter how much you might try, so hopefully I remember that going forward. It did totally become a parent/child relationship and was probably doomed from that point forward. I laugh because his emails basically read like he needs a mom & who is going to help him & take care of him. He talks a lot about trying to get back with his ex (from before me) and how she doesn't want him either & he doesn't understand why the only two women he ever loved want nothing to do with him. I think maybe he is just losing it, the drugs scrambled his brains because mentally he is way worse than he was even a year ago. He has turned into an idiot. I don't know what buttons he thinks he will push by telling me he wants one of us back, but doesn't particularly care which one. Oh please, pick me, let me take care of you while you refuse to work or help pay bills!!! But good news...this time he wants to really try. He said he never really tried to fix our relationship before and he realizes now that was a mistake. But, don't be confused because our relationship failed because I didn't love him enough, I don't know the real meaning of marriage, and I'm not willing to overlook a single mistake . It is sad because our kids will forever be punished because I am such a selfish person that doesn't know the meaning of love. So as a result my kids will never get to know their father. But I am really the devil & he shouldn't want to be with me anyway because all I ever do is look down on him & make him feel bad about himself...I am truly evil. But, for some reason he just can't stop loving me & even when he is sleeping with other women he really just wants to be with me ... or his ex but he was very sad when she said no when he proposed. But she said no, so he is still on the market & willing to work things out with me, if I am willing to really try this time. Sorry, apparently I have months worth of anger over texts & emails that I really haven't shared with anyone. I don't know, but until last August he always seemed sincerely to want to work things out & admit his mistakes. Now he is all over the place & blames everyone for everything & sounds like a crazy person some of the time. I have learned it wasn't his fault he did drugs this last time...it was peer pressue. He said no at least twice, but they just kept asking if he wanted some I find how you see things so clearly and your complete honesty about how things really are so refreshing. And because of this trait you will overcome this and grow. You already have. And I suspect your love for him is just dying more and more every day based on how you are clearly seeing him for who he is now. He's always been this way (I suspect - since I obviously don't know him personally but I have been reading you for years) and now you see him as this idiot instead of this poor sweet guy who can't help it. Bravo, Angel! You are making amazing progress and I hope it continues so that your next serious relationship is a loving, healthy one.
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Post by swasat on Aug 11, 2014 18:58:17 GMT -5
I am. Although this thread is making me nervous with the talk of repeating patterns & such. I know there is a huge tendency for women to just find the same guy over an over again. I truly don't think that is what I am doing, but what if I just can't see it I've never been divorced, so what the heck do I know - but I was truly shocked to find out you started dating *this* soon after having a baby with someone else. I don't think I will ever understand how a person can go from wanting a child and having a child with John to moving to Tommy 5 seconds later. So, while the new guy might be the dream come true and the male version of mother Theresa - I wonder why can't you be by yourself for longer than 5 seconds. Drat...that was HARSH!!!! She didn't get with the BF "*this* soon after having a baby with someone else." And she has been by herself, been a single mom of 3 kids, done all for a quite a few months before she felt ready to move on and have a new relationship. Nothing wrong with that IMO. Moreover, its her life. Any of us understanding, or not understanding it, does not make any difference. She is venting here. We know her history. Who she gets with and how soon she gets with someone is not pertinent to THIS thread.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Aug 11, 2014 19:15:06 GMT -5
I've never been divorced, so what the heck do I know - but I was truly shocked to find out you started dating *this* soon after having a baby with someone else. I don't think I will ever understand how a person can go from wanting a child and having a child with John to moving to Tommy 5 seconds later. So, while the new guy might be the dream come true and the male version of mother Theresa - I wonder why can't you be by yourself for longer than 5 seconds. Drat...that was HARSH!!!! She didn't get with the BF "*this* soon after having a baby with someone else." And she has been by herself, been a single mom of 3 kids, done all for a quite a few months before she felt ready to move on and have a new relationship. Nothing wrong with that IMO. Moreover, its her life. Any of us understanding, or not understanding it, does not make any difference. She is venting here. We know her history. Who she gets with and how soon she gets with someone is not pertinent to THIS thread. No kidding! But THAT is ok - just don't dare joke or post a picture on the Mods Suck/Complaint thread! That's a horrible thing to do! LMAO!!
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Post by midjd on Aug 11, 2014 19:15:29 GMT -5
I was going to say, I got pregnant with DD at almost the exact same time Angel got pregnant with her DS2, and that is a bit closer to 18 months ago than 5 seconds...
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Post by swasat on Aug 11, 2014 19:25:07 GMT -5
I was going to say, I got pregnant with DD at almost the exact same time Angel got pregnant with her DS2, and that is a bit closer to 18 months ago than 5 seconds... Right on..... I also happen to remember the story of how she got pregnant with her third kid. Very different from "wanting and having a kid with someone" and then switching to another person a few seconds later.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 11, 2014 19:57:52 GMT -5
I've never been divorced, so what the heck do I know - but I was truly shocked to find out you started dating *this* soon after having a baby with someone else. I don't think I will ever understand how a person can go from wanting a child and having a child with John to moving to Tommy 5 seconds later. So, while the new guy might be the dream come true and the male version of mother Theresa - I wonder why can't you be by yourself for longer than 5 seconds. Drat...that was HARSH!!!! She didn't get with the BF "*this* soon after having a baby with someone else." And she has been by herself, been a single mom of 3 kids, done all for a quite a few months before she felt ready to move on and have a new relationship. Nothing wrong with that IMO. Moreover, its her life. Any of us understanding, or not understanding it, does not make any difference. She is venting here. We know her history. Who she gets with and how soon she gets with someone is not pertinent to THIS thread. I was going to answer your post, but then realized if you think what I am saying is "harsh", then there is really no point
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Post by swasat on Aug 11, 2014 20:01:45 GMT -5
Glad to hear that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2014 20:25:22 GMT -5
So, while the new guy might be the dream come true and the male version of mother Theresa - I wonder why can't you be by yourself for longer than 5 seconds. DH and I met in a theology class a year before I divorced and had our first sexual encounter about a week after the ink was dry on the divorce decree. Neither of us dated anyone else after that. We've been together since 1997, married since 2003. Sometimes you make a good decision because you know what you DON'T want. But take it slow, Angel. Worked for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2014 20:29:23 GMT -5
Well Angel I guess you should go sit in a corner because you've been going on dates......
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Post by Angel! on Aug 11, 2014 20:36:38 GMT -5
I am. Although this thread is making me nervous with the talk of repeating patterns & such. I know there is a huge tendency for women to just find the same guy over an over again. I truly don't think that is what I am doing, but what if I just can't see it I've never been divorced, so what the heck do I know - but I was truly shocked to find out you started dating *this* soon after having a baby with someone else. I don't think I will ever understand how a person can go from wanting a child and having a child with John to moving to Tommy 5 seconds later. So, while the new guy might be the dream come true and the male version of mother Theresa - I wonder why can't you be by yourself for longer than 5 seconds. That is ok, you can be shocked. 5 months ago I couldn't picture myself dating anytime soon either. I thought it would take years to want to. I can try to explain why I think I moved on quickly. For 3.5 years prior to finalizing the divorce our relationship was basically in a downward spiral. We were legally separated, spent probably close to half that time not living together. I think I basically grieved for the loss of the relationship while trying to save it at the same time. There were times I thought things were good during that period, but then everything would fall apart again. Really if you want to criticize anything, it should be having a baby when the relationship was a mess. And I almost didn't. We were actually living apart when I found out I was pregnant because he had a meltdown the week prior. I didn't tell anyone for quite a while because I was trying to decide what I should do. I knew the relationship was over & didn't know about having a third kid. I decided that even though the next few years might be hell, that years down the road I would be happier having the kid than not. We made 2 last ditch efforts to make the relationship work because of DS2 which would have not happened had I not gotten pregnant. Both last less than 2 months before he had a meltdown. So in the 12 months following my finding out I was pregnant we were together less than 4 & I realized the relationship was truly over. It still took me over a month to finalize the divorce because I wasn't emotionally ready. I still grieved during that time & was sad. But once I got those papers in the mail that it was over it kind of started a new me. It took a few months of craziness, but then I started to figure out what I wanted with my life. I realized that I had almost no friends in town because it is hard to make friends when you are in a relationship with a bloodsucking leech. I realized that I had spent the last 5 years basically revolving my life around trying to make someone happy, trying to fix their problems, and trying to save a relationship that wasn't ever going to work. I hadn't done anything just for me in years. So I decided I wanted to get out. I started rock climbing again which I haven't done in over 10 years & I decided to give online dating a shot just to get out and meet people. I honestly didn't expect to meet anyone as great as I did, so that was a surprise & been kind of crazy, but good too. And if the criticism is more along the lines of dating means less time with my kids & they are too young for me to be going out all the time. I have been on exactly 2 dates that required a babysitter when I would have otherwise been with my kids. I am guessing most moms get out more than 2 times in 2 months. So I don't think he has exactly pulled me away from my Mom duties. So you can approve or disapprove, but I am happier than I have been in years. Not just because I am dating (although that is fun too), but because I get to be me & do what I want & don't have someone actively dragging me down. Except he still emails me way too much & tries to emotionally mess with me for god knows what reason.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 11, 2014 20:41:25 GMT -5
So, while the new guy might be the dream come true and the male version of mother Theresa - I wonder why can't you be by yourself for longer than 5 seconds. DH and I met in a theology class a year before I divorced and had our first sexual encounter about a week after the ink was dry on the divorce decree. Neither of us dated anyone else after that. We've been together since 1997, married since 2003. Sometimes you make a good decision because you know what you DON'T want. But take it slow, Angel. Worked for me.Absolutely!! I am not ready to be married or living with anyone again. And I certainly don't want to mess around and drag my kids through a string of bad relationships. I honestly don't know what will happen from here, but in the mean time I get to hang out with a really great guy & be happy.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 11, 2014 20:47:40 GMT -5
Good for you Angel.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 11, 2014 21:59:31 GMT -5
I've never been divorced, so what the heck do I know - but I was truly shocked to find out you started dating *this* soon after having a baby with someone else. I don't think I will ever understand how a person can go from wanting a child and having a child with John to moving to Tommy 5 seconds later. So, while the new guy might be the dream come true and the male version of mother Theresa - I wonder why can't you be by yourself for longer than 5 seconds. That is ok, you can be shocked. 5 months ago I couldn't picture myself dating anytime soon either. I thought it would take years to want to. I can try to explain why I think I moved on quickly. For 3.5 years prior to finalizing the divorce our relationship was basically in a downward spiral. We were legally separated, spent probably close to half that time not living together. I think I basically grieved for the loss of the relationship while trying to save it at the same time. There were times I thought things were good during that period, but then everything would fall apart again. Really if you want to criticize anything, it should be having a baby when the relationship was a mess. And I almost didn't. We were actually living apart when I found out I was pregnant because he had a meltdown the week prior. I didn't tell anyone for quite a while because I was trying to decide what I should do. I knew the relationship was over & didn't know about having a third kid. I decided that even though the next few years might be hell, that years down the road I would be happier having the kid than not. We made 2 last ditch efforts to make the relationship work because of DS2 which would have not happened had I not gotten pregnant. Both last less than 2 months before he had a meltdown. So in the 12 months following my finding out I was pregnant we were together less than 4 & I realized the relationship was truly over. It still took me over a month to finalize the divorce because I wasn't emotionally ready. I still grieved during that time & was sad. But once I got those papers in the mail that it was over it kind of started a new me. It took a few months of craziness, but then I started to figure out what I wanted with my life. I realized that I had almost no friends in town because it is hard to make friends when you are in a relationship with a bloodsucking leech. I realized that I had spent the last 5 years basically revolving my life around trying to make someone happy, trying to fix their problems, and trying to save a relationship that wasn't ever going to work. I hadn't done anything just for me in years. So I decided I wanted to get out. I started rock climbing again which I haven't done in over 10 years & I decided to give online dating a shot just to get out and meet people. I honestly didn't expect to meet anyone as great as I did, so that was a surprise & been kind of crazy, but good too. And if the criticism is more along the lines of dating means less time with my kids & they are too young for me to be going out all the time. I have been on exactly 2 dates that required a babysitter when I would have otherwise been with my kids. I am guessing most moms get out more than 2 times in 2 months. So I don't think he has exactly pulled me away from my Mom duties. So you can approve or disapprove, but I am happier than I have been in years. Not just because I am dating (although that is fun too), but because I get to be me & do what I want & don't have someone actively dragging me down. Except he still emails me way too much & tries to emotionally mess with me for god knows what reason. I'll PM you my response.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 11, 2014 23:03:09 GMT -5
Angel Lena Thanks for the PM
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2014 23:57:50 GMT -5
Ann Landers or Dear Abby used to have the perfect question for these types of situations and only you can answer it for you and your children: Are you better off with him, or without him? I remember hearing Dr. Phil saying that.
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Post by The Captain on Aug 12, 2014 6:51:56 GMT -5
Angel Lena Thanks for the PM whoisjohngalt and Angel!, very nicely handled ladies!!! Sometimes it's easy to read different meanings into what is written, and if you want to clear up things or clarify a PM is a great way to do it sometimes. I wish more peeps would do this rather than bicker back and fourth in threads. I know I could do better in this area...
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 12, 2014 7:00:30 GMT -5
I don't care if you dated 5 seconds after your divorce was final. The concern, and you've certainly addressed it, is not having your kids meet and get attached to a new guy and then it ends, and to not repeat past issues. Both of which you seem to have a grip on. It's very hard to do both. I still miss the kids I practically raised while dating that doctor. I'm sure they don't miss me but that's okay, too. I had to be hugely careful because DD wanted a dad. So painful to not have one after being daddy's girl. Asshole. I can forgive everything pretty much but that. Not now and not ever. You don't stop being a parent because you stopped being a spouse. But I was also lucky that he lived his own life and kids were a drag on it so I didn't have too much hassle from him. Only when he was between bimbos.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 12, 2014 7:43:27 GMT -5
Angel Lena Thanks for the PM whoisjohngalt and Angel!, very nicely handled ladies!!! Sometimes it's easy to read different meanings into what is written, and if you want to clear up things or clarify a PM is a great way to do it sometimes. I wish more peeps would do this rather than bicker back and fourth in threads. I know I could do better in this area... Yes but the nosy folk here don't get to SEE the resolution. But we'll live.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 12, 2014 8:02:36 GMT -5
True!
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 12, 2014 8:03:28 GMT -5
you guys crack me up
it wasn't as dramatic as you are probably imagining.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 12, 2014 8:05:45 GMT -5
But imagining is more than half the fun. Angel, you need Carl to be your biatch. I'd love to have him in my corner in a cat fight. I'm so wishing he'd come to the platinum wedding next summer. For so many reasons, all of them Bad and bitchy!
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 12, 2014 8:05:59 GMT -5
I'm sure it's not Lena. You and Angel both strike me as being interesting and reasonable people. It's hard to have drama between 2 people like that.
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Post by imanangel on Aug 12, 2014 9:04:22 GMT -5
But imagining is more than half the fun. Angel, you need Carl to be your biatch. I'd love to have him in my corner in a cat fight. I'm so wishing he'd come to the platinum wedding next summer. For so many reasons, all of them Bad and bitchy! Can I come to the Platinum Wedding? I have never been to one before.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 12, 2014 9:16:26 GMT -5
Sorry you're having a rough time Angel. I don't have any specific advice.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 12, 2014 9:34:09 GMT -5
Me neither. If I had any class I wouldn't attend this one but DF won't go without me. Funny enough, if the timing is right, he won't be able to attend either because of transplant issues so the problem resolves itself. DD wants to go in my place because she's never been to one either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 9:49:08 GMT -5
what is a Platinum wedding?
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