Clippers Owner Racist Remark.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 30, 2014 11:23:57 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 30, 2014 11:21:15 GMT -5 Angel! said:

He owns part of the NBA & had to agree to their rules upon purchase.  This is within their rules that he agreed to.  This is not setting any sort of new precedent.  It isn't really the same as most assets you can own.

i have rules at my shop, too.  you call one of my employees a racial slur, you get ONE warning.  ONE.

Is ìt a wriiten warning and the consequences spelled out if it occurs again?  Does the employee sign the warning, acknowledging receipt of same and understanding?

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and does this "new standard" of absolute racial correctness also go for the players, managers, and coaches?

anyone want to hazard a guess?

i can see it now....one of the NBA big men gets in a shoving match with someone else

things get heated....and the n word gets thrown around

is that now a bannable offence? does that constitute the same 100% reaction that Sterling got?

or will there be a double standard?

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Apr 30, 2014 12:11:35 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

and does this "new standard" of absolute racial correctness also go for the players, managers, and coaches?

anyone want to hazard a guess?

i can see it now....one of the NBA big men gets in a shoving match with someone else

things get heated....and the n word gets thrown around

is that now a bannable offence? does that constitute the same 100% reaction that Sterling got?

or will there be a double standard?

The NFL is working on a standard like that.    Not sure if the NBA is or not. 

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dont you think they have to now?

if they can ban an owner from the game for things said in his own home

what will they do to a player who mouths off in a game?

what's good for the goose......

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Apr 30, 2014 12:14:25 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

dont you think they have to now?

if they can ban an owner from the game for things said in his own home

what will they do to a player who mouths off in a game?

what's good for the goose......

I think they might.    I don't think they have to, but they might feel pressure to. 

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Apr 30, 2014 12:14:25 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

dont you think they have to now?

if they can ban an owner from the game for things said in his own home

what will they do to a player who mouths off in a game?

what's good for the goose......

Adam Silver said this 2 months ago in an interview in response to a question about the new NFL racial slur rule.; 

“Our rules do cover slurs to a certain extent now, and NBA players have been fined for homophobic slurs and racial slurs. But it depends on the context in the NBA right now. I'm following what the NFL is doing, but I'm not sure that makes sense for us right now. At least at this time we're not considering anything like what the NFL has brought up.”

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so....there will be a double standard

players will get fined, but continue to stay in the league, and earn money

this is an issue in my eyes......

and if that is the case, he has a case for suing the NBA big time

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Apr 30, 2014 12:28:03 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

so....there will be a double standard

players will get fined, but continue to stay in the league, and earn money

this is an issue in my eyes......

and if that is the case, he has a case for suing the NBA big time

Oh, of course there is a double standard.   There are always double standards.   Especially when you get to more and more selective of a group.    there is a double standard for professional athletes versus the rest of us.  There are double standards for owners versus players. 

[The Captain]

Apr 30, 2014 12:28:03 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

so....there will be a double standard

players will get fined, but continue to stay in the league, and earn money

this is an issue in my eyes......

and if that is the case, he has a case for suing the NBA big time

I personally am ok with holding the owners to a higher standard then the employees, as it should be in every business endeavor IMHO.

[justme]

I also think there's a bit of a difference of a slur being used at a game, and an owner telling his gf not to bring blacks around. Wasn't the photo from a NBA event? WITH a well known NBA star? I mean, really, you own a NBA franchise and you're telling your gf not to bring Magic Johnson around??

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i am NOT defending the actions of this idiot

what i am asking, is will everyone be treated the same way

100% compliance on racial equality....or you are out?

his words were recorded in his home secretly by his "girlfriend" 

they are using that to destroy the guy

is he a racist....yes imo

was the punishment meted out by the nba just? yes imo

but....that means tolerance for racial slurs and issues is now null and void

and the players, coaches, managers....everyone should be held to the same standard

at least imo

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2014 12:11:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 30, 2014 11:23:57 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i have rules at my shop, too.  you call one of my employees a racial slur, you get ONE warning.  ONE.

Is ìt a wriiten warning and the consequences spelled out if it occurs again?  Does the employee sign the warning, acknowledging receipt of same and understanding?

if it were written, then it would be ZERO warnings.

it becomes written on the first offense.  and yes, they sign it, and it goes into their folder.

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Apr 30, 2014 12:54:18 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

i am NOT defending the actions of this idiot

what i am asking, is will everyone be treated the same way

100% compliance on racial equality....or you are out?

his words were recorded in his home secretly by his "girlfriend" 

they are using that to destroy the guy

is he a racist....yes imo

was the punishment meted out by the nba just? yes imo

but....that means tolerance for racial slurs and issues is now null and void

and the players, coaches, managers....everyone should be held to the same standard

at least imo

No, not everyone will be treated the same way.   A great player, who has been a good guy (like Lebron) would not be treated the same way as a marginal player that has been a shitty guy if they were each caught saying something racist. 

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2014 12:28:03 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

so....there will be a double standard

players will get fined, but continue to stay in the league, and earn money

this is an issue in my eyes......

and if that is the case, he has a case for suing the NBA big time

let's not be coy.  a player can get bounced out for misbehaving.  it happens often.  players are dispensable.  owners are generally untouchable.

what we are seeing in this case is without precedent, if it sticks.  that is a big IF.  Steinbrener was sacked for life TWICE.  he came back both times.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 30, 2014 12:54:15 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 30, 2014 12:11:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Is ìt a wriiten warning and the consequences spelled out if it occurs again?  Does the employee sign the warning, acknowledging receipt of same and understanding?

if it were written, then it would be ZERO warnings.

it becomes written on the first offense.  and yes, they sign it, and it goes into their folder.

You would be surprised (or maybe not) how many managers do not understand 'If ìt's not on paper, ìt never happened'.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2014 13:01:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 30, 2014 12:54:15 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

if it were written, then it would be ZERO warnings.

it becomes written on the first offense.  and yes, they sign it, and it goes into their folder.

You would be surprised (or maybe not) how many managers do not understand 'If ìt's not on paper, ìt never happened'.

i have had to defend a firing decision before.  that is a real "aha" moment.

[zibazinski]

It's only racist if a white person says it. 

[Angel!]

IMO this was significantly different than merely uttering a racial slur. Racial slurs aren't good, but may be uttered in a moment of anger or judgement lapse. This was a 15 minute discussion in which he showed he does consider blacks to be lesser people.

[zibazinski]

That's his private opinion. I'm sure a lot of people consider some kinds of people to be less than human. Saying it to someone in private is different than saying it in public, or it should be. 

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Apr 30, 2014 14:22:12 GMT -5 Angel! said:

IMO this was significantly different than merely uttering a racial slur. Racial slurs aren't good, but may be uttered in a moment of anger or judgement lapse. This was a 15 minute discussion in which he showed he does consider blacks to be lesser people.

so....a man expressing his racial bigotry in his home, to just one other person is more offensive than a player getting upset and uttering a racial epithet on national tv?

is this about bigotry or not? or is this just a slap down to a rich white guy who is an idiot?

imo the player on national tv does far more harm than the man expressing his views in his own home 

yes...the man in his home was recorded, and his remarks are now national news

cant see how we can condone one, and crucify the other.....

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2014 13:48:58 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

It's only racist if a white person says it. 

what?  ni*&er?  no, it is generally only racist when anyone other than the person of that race says it.

i am not going to get into much trouble calling myself a honkey. 

the context in which these words are used matters, zib.  it is a SOCIAL DYNAMIC.

[Angel!]

Apr 30, 2014 14:25:31 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

That's his private opinion. I'm sure a lot of people consider some kinds of people to be less than human. Saying it to someone in private is different than saying it in public, or it should be. 

It was his private opinion. Sucks for him that his gf made his private opinion public. But it is out there now and the NBA had to take a stand.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2014 14:25:31 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

That's his private opinion. I'm sure a lot of people consider some kinds of people to be less than human. Saying it to someone in private is different than saying it in public, or it should be. 

i share the opinion that someone should be allowed their own private thoughts and feelings without persecution.

unfortunately, it appears that this is not this guy's first trip to the circus.

[Angel!]

Apr 30, 2014 14:36:29 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

Apr 30, 2014 14:22:12 GMT -5 Angel! said:

IMO this was significantly different than merely uttering a racial slur. Racial slurs aren't good, but may be uttered in a moment of anger or judgement lapse. This was a 15 minute discussion in which he showed he does consider blacks to be lesser people.

so....a man expressing his racial bigotry in his home, to just one other person is more offensive than a player getting upset and uttering a racial epithet on national tv?

is this about bigotry or not? or is this just a slap down to a rich white guy who is an idiot?

imo the player on national tv does far more harm than the man expressing his views in his own home 

yes...the man in his home was recorded, and his remarks are now national news

cant see how we can condone one, and crucify the other.....

I'm not condoning any bigotry or use of slurs, but I think there are degrees to how offensive something may be. This was extremely offensive. It wasn't something he said out of anger or ignorance, but rather how he truly feels. Worse he was defending it and literally did not seem to understand what the problem was in the things he was saying.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2014 14:54:19 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Apr 30, 2014 14:36:29 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

so....a man expressing his racial bigotry in his home, to just one other person is more offensive than a player getting upset and uttering a racial epithet on national tv?

is this about bigotry or not? or is this just a slap down to a rich white guy who is an idiot?

imo the player on national tv does far more harm than the man expressing his views in his own home 

yes...the man in his home was recorded, and his remarks are now national news

cant see how we can condone one, and crucify the other.....

I'm not condoning any bigotry or use of slurs, but I think there are degrees to how offensive something may be. This was extremely offensive. It wasn't something he said out of anger or ignorance, but rather how he truly feels. Worse he was defending it and literally did not seem to understand what the problem was in the things he was saying.

in other words, he was not just dipping his toe.  he was swimming in this swill.

[zibazinski]

I think he was defending his right to privacy. We have a former coach who is well liked, respected, and an all around nice guy. His wife is the most racist person and very outspoken about it. Of course that's never printed or talked about. White football players and their wives/girlfriends were never invited to their home. But that's okay because she's black but if she were white and said/acted that way, she'd be crucified.

[Angel!]

Apr 30, 2014 15:11:39 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I think he was defending his right to privacy.

How so?

[zibazinski]

What I say to DF in the privacy of a conservation between the two of us is exactly that-private. I can say whatever I want about anyone I want. So can he. If what we said to each other about friends/family/politics/employees became public knowledge, life wouldn't be pretty for us. 

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2014 15:19:03 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

What I say to DF in the privacy of a conservation between the two of us is exactly that-private. I can say whatever I want about anyone I want. So can he. If what we said to each other about friends/family/politics/employees became public knowledge, life wouldn't be pretty for us. 

you sure you want to be putting that on a public board?

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2014 15:11:39 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I think he was defending his right to privacy. We have a former coach who is well liked, respected, and an all around nice guy. His wife is the most racist person and very outspoken about it. Of course that's never printed or talked about. White football players and their wives/girlfriends were never invited to their home. But that's okay because she's black but if she were white and said/acted that way, she'd be crucified.

i disagree that it is OK, but i would also point out that black people did not enslave whites for 400 years.  is the double standard ok?  of course not.  but i think we can understand it well enough.