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Post by swamp on Apr 7, 2014 11:59:46 GMT -5
Or he had other people call him and he's taking them in order. Or he's on vacation. Or he has the flu.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 7, 2014 12:00:17 GMT -5
MPL- Is there any way that you can call your lawyer? I wouldn't sit back and wait for a response. An hour of drive time is nothing for a determined person...
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Apr 7, 2014 12:00:36 GMT -5
I'm voting vacation but that's because I wish I was on vacation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 12:02:59 GMT -5
MPL- Is there any way that you can call your lawyer? I wouldn't sit back and wait for a response. An hour of drive time is nothing for a determined person... A determined person with no car and an ankle bracelet. Plus, I still have a tracker on his phone, so hopefully they fire that back up.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 7, 2014 12:08:52 GMT -5
MPL- Is there any way that you can call your lawyer? I wouldn't sit back and wait for a response. An hour of drive time is nothing for a determined person... A determined person with no car and an ankle bracelet. Plus, I still have a tracker on his phone, so hopefully they fire that back up. The mom and aunt have no car, too? I watch too much bad tv to have faith in an ankle bracelet (we just got done watching the 4th season of Justified last week.)
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Apr 7, 2014 12:12:33 GMT -5
MPL- Is there any way that you can call your lawyer? I wouldn't sit back and wait for a response. An hour of drive time is nothing for a determined person... A determined person with no car and an ankle bracelet. Plus, I still have a tracker on his phone, so hopefully they fire that back up. The ankle bracelet can be removed or otherwise rendered useless by someone determined enough with enough time on their hands. It has been done. It's not easy, but not impossible. And it may take a court order to reinstate the phone tracker (assuming it's been shut off). And what if he ditches that phone and obtains another through theft (his mother's or his aunt's) or they give in and just buy him another (he can claim he lost his and he has to have another to call his probation officer, or whatever). Does the tracker transfer to a new one? Not trying to scare you, so much as get you ready for any possibility. And check the release conditions - they should be part of the public record sometime today (it may take a few hours for the computer system to list them, but they should be there).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 12:14:21 GMT -5
A determined person with no car and an ankle bracelet. Plus, I still have a tracker on his phone, so hopefully they fire that back up. The mom and aunt have no car, too? I watch too much bad tv to have faith in an ankle bracelet (we just got done watching the 4th season of Justified last week.) Yes, but I really don't see him stealing their car and heading here. The halfway house was only 8 blocks from the daycare, he could have walked out and gone there any time with no car.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 12:16:18 GMT -5
A determined person with no car and an ankle bracelet. Plus, I still have a tracker on his phone, so hopefully they fire that back up. The ankle bracelet can be removed or otherwise rendered useless by someone determined enough with enough time on their hands. It has been done. It's not easy, but not impossible. And it may take a court order to reinstate the phone tracker (assuming it's been shut off). And what if he ditches that phone and obtains another through theft (his mother's or his aunt's) or they give in and just buy him another (he can claim he lost his and he has to have another to call his probation officer, or whatever). Does the tracker transfer to a new one? Not trying to scare you, so much as get you ready for any possibility. And check the release conditions - they should be part of the public record sometime today (it may take a few hours for the computer system to list them, but they should be there). The tracker is on the phone I gave him. He doesn't know it's on there. It's only not working because they either shut it off when he was taken to jail or the battery went dead.
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Post by midjd on Apr 7, 2014 12:26:51 GMT -5
Let's not go all Chicken Little here...
Yes, it is important that MPL get into touch with her attorney and get these custody/visitation arrangements hammered out, but it sounds like X is probably more secure now than he was at the halfway house.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 7, 2014 12:27:55 GMT -5
Yes, it is important that MPL get into touch with her attorney and get these custody/visitation arrangements hammered out, but it sounds like X is probably more secure now than he was at the halfway house.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Apr 7, 2014 12:29:53 GMT -5
Let's not go all Chicken Little here... Yes, it is important that MPL get into touch with her attorney and get these custody/visitation arrangements hammered out, but it sounds like X is probably more secure now than he was at the halfway house. Because he's now staying with his enabling mother? Who's not likely to say "no" when he says lets go see your grandson? I agree we shouldn't go all Chicken Little on MPL but I do think he's more likely to be able to come see his son while his mom is handy than if she's not. To quote Lena, I could be wrong, I've been wrong before.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 7, 2014 12:33:21 GMT -5
He's got an ankle bracelet now, while yes he could possibly get it off, it sounds like at the halfway house he could have just walked out the front door without a single person noticing or caring. At least the ankle bracelet will go off if he tries to leave it's approved area.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 12:36:09 GMT -5
Well, his Mom was how I found out all this information in the first place. She texted me telling me what happened in court, where he was going to be staying and that they were hopefully going to have him in another program within a week or two. I don't trust her very far because she's dumb when it comes to her kids, but I do think she'd let me know if she was bringing him for a visit.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 7, 2014 12:37:37 GMT -5
It's about time he's enabler mom's problem. You enjoy the break and take the time to get stuff done you need to get done.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 12:38:20 GMT -5
He's got an ankle bracelet now, while yes he could possibly get it off, it sounds like at the halfway house he could have just walked out the front door without a single person noticing or caring. At least the ankle bracelet will go off if he tries to leave it's approved area. Yes, he had a lot more freedom before. He wasn't "supposed" to just leave the halfway house, tnd the only door that didn't have an alarm was the front door near the office, but even during times I was there there were stretches when nobody was in the office. Plus he was allowed to walk to the library, church and YMCA with nobody along.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 7, 2014 12:39:45 GMT -5
Good grief, that's insane.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 7, 2014 12:40:45 GMT -5
MPL....I'm assuming that he is on meds now. How compliant is he about taking them? Is he likely to ditch them if he does not have the supervision he did while he was in either jail or the halfway house?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 12:46:03 GMT -5
MPL....I'm assuming that he is on meds now. How compliant is he about taking them? Is he likely to ditch them if he does not have the supervision he did while he was in either jail or the halfway house? I think it will be fine. This is supposedly only going to be for a week or two and he's never been anti taking his meds. His problem before was he wasn't taking care of himself, living in the woods, smoking weed and just not remembering to do anything.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 12:48:10 GMT -5
Good grief, that's insane. The halfway house security? Remember it is supposed to be a place for people to transition from jail to living independently in 90 days or less so just locking them up and escorting them everywhere wouldn't help much in that regard. Might as well just keep them in jail.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 12:50:15 GMT -5
I have to keep telling myself it's going to be ok or I'll freaking lose it worrying about all the stuff that could happen.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Apr 7, 2014 12:52:21 GMT -5
I watch too much bad tv to have faith in an ankle bracelet (we just got done watching the 4th season of Justified last week.) Let's hope he doesn't use Justified's method of getting the bracelet off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 12:54:08 GMT -5
Mental note. Never watch Justified.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Apr 7, 2014 12:56:13 GMT -5
Let's not go all Chicken Little here... Yes, it is important that MPL get into touch with her attorney and get these custody/visitation arrangements hammered out, but it sounds like X is probably more secure now than he was at the halfway house. On the contrary. I've worked in the system; I'd be the last one to go Chicken Little - unless I thought there was a need. Or I knew he could get out of the ankle bracelet because it's been done before.
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Post by raeoflyte on Apr 7, 2014 13:02:41 GMT -5
Let's not go all Chicken Little here... Yes, it is important that MPL get into touch with her attorney and get these custody/visitation arrangements hammered out, but it sounds like X is probably more secure now than he was at the halfway house. On the contrary. I've worked in the system; I'd be the last one to go Chicken Little - unless I thought there was a need. Or I knew he could get out of the ankle bracelet because it's been done before. Just because something could happen doesn't mean it will and this thread has derailed into 101 ways the x could run off with the kid which seems less helpful. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards
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Post by midjd on Apr 7, 2014 13:06:14 GMT -5
Let's not go all Chicken Little here... Yes, it is important that MPL get into touch with her attorney and get these custody/visitation arrangements hammered out, but it sounds like X is probably more secure now than he was at the halfway house. On the contrary. I've worked in the system; I'd be the last one to go Chicken Little - unless I thought there was a need. Or I knew he could get out of the ankle bracelet because it's been done before. But you don't know anything about him other than what MPL has posted. While we can all question her perspective when it comes to X - she is a mother, and I trust her gut when it comes to her son's safety. If she's not worried about it, I don't see the point in us getting her all worked up. Two weeks ago, he could have left the halfway house and picked up DS and been in another state before she knew anything was wrong. Now, doing that would involve removing an ankle bracelet (which even you admitted is difficult), violating probation, getting a relative to assist him in further violating his probation by leaving the area and driving an hour away to go see his son, then forcibly removing him from daycare (since they have a copy of the custody order). That's a lot of steps for someone who was living in the woods and not attending to even his basic personal functions. And say he takes DS - what's he going to do? It sounds like the mother and aunt have some ties to the area, and other family. It also sounds like Mom isn't too smart. Are they all going to run away to Canada to live on the run forever? Is Mom going to set her son and grandson loose with no money and a stolen car? If MPL were on bad terms with her X's family, or if X were a little craftier/more in control of himself, or had a secret stash of money, or were a foreign citizen and had DS's passport with him - it might be worth worrying about. But it just seems pretty far-fetched to spend much time pondering.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Apr 7, 2014 13:12:56 GMT -5
On the contrary. I've worked in the system; I'd be the last one to go Chicken Little - unless I thought there was a need. Or I knew he could get out of the ankle bracelet because it's been done before. But you don't know anything about him other than what MPL has posted. While we can all question her perspective when it comes to X - she is a mother, and I trust her gut when it comes to her son's safety. If she's not worried about it, I don't see the point in us getting her all worked up. Two weeks ago, he could have left the halfway house and picked up DS and been in another state before she knew anything was wrong. Now, doing that would involve removing an ankle bracelet (which even you admitted is difficult), violating probation, and getting a relative to assist him in further violating his probation by leaving the area and driving an hour away to go see his son, then forcibly removing him from daycare (since they have a copy of the custody order). That's a lot of steps for someone who was living in the woods and not attending to even his basic personal functions. I don't think he's going to run away with his son. But I do think he's more likely to just randomly show up on MPL's doorstep to see him, esp. since he and Mom are living with the Aunt. And that's what I, personally, think MPL needs to gear up for. "Mom, I haven't put son to bed in X months. I really want to tuck him in tonight" and off they go.
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Post by midjd on Apr 7, 2014 13:14:24 GMT -5
And then MPL calls the cops and they come take X to jail for violating his probation for the second time in less than 2 weeks. And this time they don't let him out.
(Honestly, unless he comes armed, that might be the best-case scenario)...
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Apr 7, 2014 13:16:34 GMT -5
And then MPL calls the cops and they come take X to jail for violating his probation for the second time in less than 2 weeks. And this time they don't let him out. (Honestly, unless he comes armed, that might be the best-case scenario)... I know diddly squat about how the whole probation thing works. I know you do. But MPL still needs to gear herself to actually be able to call the cops on him.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 7, 2014 13:18:42 GMT -5
I don't think it's a "chicken little" situation, but I'd also be on the phone with the lawyer, to make sure at least the he got my email. I don't know about you folks, but I have had emails that have not made it to the recipient or ended up in their junk/trash folder.
Even if the lawyer is busy or on vacation, at least he can give MPL a heads up about when he will be available. That's information I'd want to know, especially in this situation. If nothing else, it would give me some peace of mind.
ETA: I don't think that we can suppose what her husband can/cannot do. Anyone is capable of anything at any given time. I don't take that so lightly anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 13:19:11 GMT -5
On the contrary. I've worked in the system; I'd be the last one to go Chicken Little - unless I thought there was a need. Or I knew he could get out of the ankle bracelet because it's been done before. Two weeks ago, he could have left the halfway house and picked up DS and been in another state before she knew anything was wrong. You have no idea how true that is! Daycare was 8 blocks away and the state line maybe another 2000 feet. Ok, more like 3 miles if you take the bridge...which is preferable. I don't like the idea of him showing up at the house though, the last time that happened did not go well (2 days before the major meltdown) If Mom texts to say she's bringing him I'm going to insist it be somewhere else. Tomorrow is his birthday. I'm a little on edge that that may involve some kind of contact.
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