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Post by CarolinaKat on Mar 24, 2014 10:50:47 GMT -5
Well, if he's going to do something completely asinine like park the MH on his ex's property and nobody is going to care, then he can still do that if I first drive it to a Walmart parking lot and leave it. All he has to do is drive it back. not if you tow it somewhere and the fuel line is in-fact busted But seriously, I think milee and others are worried about him establishing some legal claim to your land. Like a squatter tennant but in a motorhome. Much easier to deal with removing him if he does drive it back if he's got no leg to stand on.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Mar 24, 2014 10:51:39 GMT -5
Well, if he's going to do something completely asinine like park the MH on his ex's property and nobody is going to care, then he can still do that if I first drive it to a Walmart parking lot and leave it. All he has to do is drive it back. not if you tow it somewhere and the fuel line is in-fact busted But seriously, I think milee and others are worried about him establishing some legal claim to your land. Like a squatter tennant but in a motorhome. Much easier to deal with removing him if he does drive it back if he's got no leg to stand on. So you can scratch out the 2nd half #4 on my todo list then... and it becomes "Get MH off your land"
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Post by milee on Mar 24, 2014 11:05:34 GMT -5
Well, if he's going to do something completely asinine like park the MH on his ex's property and nobody is going to care, then he can still do that if I first drive it to a Walmart parking lot and leave it. All he has to do is drive it back. not if you tow it somewhere and the fuel line is in-fact busted But seriously, I think milee and others are worried about him establishing some legal claim to your land. Like a squatter tennant but in a motorhome. Much easier to deal with removing him if he does drive it back if he's got no leg to stand on. Kind of. I'm not worried he'll get rights to the land - that would take years.
I am worried that mentally it's a huge difference to settle in the motorhome on a property he considered home and just refuse to leave - which will require huge amounts of time and money for MPL to fight, especially since tenant law will probably be involved and courts are hesitant to leave "vulnerable" tenants homeless or without options, so are likely to help drag it out. Add in the fact that he will have free legal counsel and she won't...
It's very different for him to pick up his motor home from Walmart and drive it over to MPL's. That's a much clearer, easier case of trespassing, intent, etc. And will also hurt him in future custody hearings.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 11:08:33 GMT -5
I emailed a friend of mine at the LEC (we got to know each other over last year). She said if he just showed up and wouldn't leave despite my requests, they would just remove him for trespassing. Specifically, she said they would request he left with the MH and would do drive by's to verify he didn't return.
So, no worries there.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Mar 24, 2014 11:21:55 GMT -5
I emailed a friend of mine at the LEC (we got to know each other over last year). She said if he just showed up and wouldn't leave despite my requests, they would just remove him for trespassing. Specifically, she said they would request he left with the MH and would do drive by's to verify he didn't return. So, no worries there. I hope so. I'm glad you checked into it. And I really hope we're wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 11:24:19 GMT -5
I am worried that mentally it's a huge difference to settle in the motorhome on a property he considered home and just refuse to leave - which will require huge amounts of time and money for MPL to fight, especially since tenant law will probably be involved and courts are hesitant to leave "vulnerable" tenants homeless or without options, so are likely to help drag it out. Add in the fact that he will have free legal counsel and she won't...
It's very different for him to pick up his motor home from Walmart and drive it over to MPL's. That's a much clearer, easier case of trespassing, intent, etc. And will also hurt him in future custody hearings.
He wouldn't have any tenant rights though. He hasn't lived on this property for a year, and never so much as spent a night in that MH. It's mobile. He can take it to the state land or Walmart parking lot and not be homeless. He has lots of options. I really don't see the county not making sure he has a place lined up come May though. He has a pretty strict probation schedule and a verifiable address is going to be necessary.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Mar 24, 2014 11:28:29 GMT -5
Well, if he's going to do something completely asinine like park the MH on his ex's property and nobody is going to care, then he can still do that if I first drive it to a Walmart parking lot and leave it. All he has to do is drive it back.
I believe the problem is that the MH is already on your property. It'd be different if he pulls into your driveway with it after you removed it. Yup. Then it would be trespassing. Leaving it on the property, having him move into it with the expectation that he's going to leave with it? Not going to happen. And why should it? He's in a spot where he can harass you, and you cannot do a thing without starting legal eviction proceedings. Get.that.motorhome.outta.there.
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Post by milee on Mar 24, 2014 11:31:24 GMT -5
He wouldn't have any tenant rights though. He hasn't lived on this property for a year, and never so much as spent a night in that MH. It's mobile. He can take it to the state land or Walmart parking lot and not be homeless. He has lots of options. And you'll be able to tell the judge presiding over the case all that and you will probably eventually win. The issue isn't that he actually has tenant's rights, it's that it's a grey enough area that he and his free legal counsel will be able to muddy the waters by forcing this into court, which you will not enjoy but he will.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 11:35:57 GMT -5
Well, if he's going to do something completely asinine like park the MH on his ex's property and nobody is going to care, then he can still do that if I first drive it to a Walmart parking lot and leave it. All he has to do is drive it back.
I believe the problem is that the MH is already on your property. It'd be different if he pulls into your driveway with it after you removed it. Yup. Then it would be trespassing. Leaving it on the property, having him move into it with the expectation that he's going to leave with it? Not going to happen. And why should it? He's in a spot where he can harass you, and you cannot do a thing without starting legal eviction proceedings. Get.that.motorhome.outta.there. Who said I would have him move into it? Really if it being off the property line is that huge of a deal, on the day he says he's coming to get it I'll park it on the road.
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Post by taz157 on Mar 24, 2014 11:37:01 GMT -5
Hugs MPL. Lots of hugs. I'm glad you had a productive weekend. And hopefully the pain will go away fast. Yeah that. (((((hugs)))))
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Post by flutterby on Mar 24, 2014 11:40:31 GMT -5
I agree with milee. It's more the fact that it could become a huge hassle for you, so why not avoid the possibility all together and get that MH gone before his release. You would legally be in the right by filing trespassing charges if it came to that, but do you want to be the "bad guy" who calls the cops on daddy? Because that's how kids will see it.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 24, 2014 11:42:09 GMT -5
Really if it being off the property line is that huge of a deal, on the day he says he's coming to get it I'll park it on the road.
I'd shove all his stuff in then have it parked in his mom's driveway. They can deal with it since they don't seem to think there is anything wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 11:48:01 GMT -5
But his Mom doesn't have a driveway. She lives in a tiny apartment complex with an assigned parking spot for her car, Dad doesn't have a place for it. The halfway house is in town and only has on street parking and this is 30 foot MH. When he gets out of the HH he can deal with having it on the city street, but right now he can't leave to move it.
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Post by flutterby on Mar 24, 2014 11:48:08 GMT -5
Really if it being off the property line is that huge of a deal, on the day he says he's coming to get it I'll park it on the road.
I'd shove all his stuff in then have it parked in his mom's driveway. They can deal with it since they don't seem to think there is anything wrong. I think this is a good plan. You have some time until he's out. Get it loaded up and ready to go. Then a day or two before his release, either drive it or have it towed to his mom's, dad's, or the Walmart parking lot. I'm thinking Walmart is your easiest option, since it can sit there for a couple of days without being a problem.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 24, 2014 11:50:23 GMT -5
Park it at the HH then. Tell them you were obligated to deliver his stuff to him per the divorce decree. Here it is. Or like flutterby just said park it at Wal-mart and tell him where his stuff is at. She lives in a tiny apartment complex with an assigned parking spot for her car
Wait till she's gone then park the motorhome in her spot with a note that says "He's your problem now".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 11:50:43 GMT -5
Lets just say, of all the things I'm worried about, him trying to live in the MH on my property isn't even on the radar. I have neighbors with big tractors that could take care of that problem in no time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 11:51:59 GMT -5
Park it at the HH then. Tell them you were obligated to deliver his stuff to him per the divorce decree. Here it is. Or like flutterby just said park it at Wal-mart and tell him where his stuff is at. She lives in a tiny apartment complex with an assigned parking spot for her car
Wait till she's gone then park the motorhome in her spot with a note that says "He's your problem now". Actually, the decree says he or a third party is to come get the MH from my property. It says nothing about me delivering it anywhere.
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Post by CarolinaKat on Mar 24, 2014 11:52:12 GMT -5
He wouldn't have any tenant rights though. He hasn't lived on this property for a year, and never so much as spent a night in that MH. It's mobile. He can take it to the state land or Walmart parking lot and not be homeless. He has lots of options. And you'll be able to tell the judge presiding over the case all that and you will probably eventually win. The issue isn't that he actually has tenant's rights, it's that it's a grey enough area that he and his free legal counsel will be able to muddy the waters by forcing this into court, which you will not enjoy but he will. Basically moving the MH gets you 3 things that I can see: 1) gets the damn thing and his stuff out of your hair 2) eliminates the reason of 'coming to pick up the motor home' as a reason from showing up on your property and interacting with you 3) Eliminates the possible outcome that he could decide to fight you on moving it, creating WAY TOO MUCH hassle for you So if you put in a little work upfront, you're saving yourself time/emotional energy on the back end
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Post by milee on Mar 24, 2014 11:54:05 GMT -5
4) Keeps the issues distant so that your kids hopefully don't see the police becoming involved.
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Post by flutterby on Mar 24, 2014 11:55:48 GMT -5
Wait till she's gone then park the motorhome in her spot with a note that says "He's your problem now". Lol I like the way you think!
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Mar 24, 2014 12:01:05 GMT -5
Wait till she's gone then park the motorhome in her spot with a note that says "He's your problem now". Lol I like the way you think! I do too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 12:03:27 GMT -5
I couldn't even get that motorhome in her parking LOT, forget about her space.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 24, 2014 12:06:03 GMT -5
I couldn't even get that motorhome in her parking LOT, forget about her space
Nonsense, people do stuff like that on World's Dumbest all the time!
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Post by flutterby on Mar 24, 2014 12:08:32 GMT -5
I couldn't even get that motorhome in her parking LOT, forget about her space. Too bad. That would've been awesome. Walmart it is then, because really, giving him one less reason to be on your property just makes your life easier.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 12:08:58 GMT -5
I couldn't even get that motorhome in her parking LOT, forget about her space
Nonsense, people do stuff like that on World's Dumbest all the time! Yeah, I just checked out bingmaps. There's only 6 parking spots total. Not happening.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 12:11:47 GMT -5
I'm seeing all his family this Saturday including his attorney brother because his sister is visiting from CT. I'll ask if they have any ideas. I'm sure his Mom will be thrilled to hear he's keeping it as he still owes her 2K for it and was going to pay her off when he sold it.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 24, 2014 12:16:40 GMT -5
Okay, so wait till all 6 people are gone at once then park it in there. I'm just playing with you. It does suck though that you can't make it her problem. It'd be excellent karma for her enabling her son. I'm sure his Mom will be thrilled to hear he's keeping it as he still owes her 2K for it and was going to pay her off when he sold it
Maybe there is some karmic justice in the world. I doubt she'll be seeing her $2k if he decides to "start his own business" either.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 12:21:24 GMT -5
Nope. He's not going to make any money at this business. I hate to be one to rain on someone's dream, but he really doesn't have what it takes to make entrepreneurship work. He used to stress me out about wanting to start his own business all the time when we were married.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Mar 24, 2014 12:29:24 GMT -5
What's the general theme of his business plan? 'cause I'm nosy. And my DH talks about wanting to start and run his own business but he has no actually idea of what he wants to do. And no plan.
Which is actually how I tell how serious DH is about something: talk = nothing; talk + research = thinking about it; talk + serious, time consuming research + plan of sorts = he's gonna do it and I need to have my questions/concerns/qualms prepared to discuss with him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 12:37:23 GMT -5
He has an associates degree in robotics and has done a lot of work with automation and electrical tech stuff. He used to do field service where this company would fly him all over to places that needed service on their machines. Well, now he wants to do this on his own. Secure his own customers and be a contracted service guy.
I'd actually be thrilled if he just immersed himself in this and was always working his ass off, but I don't know. I think for him it's just a be his own boss and not answer to anyone plan, but I don't think he gets that it's 10X the work. Pounding the pavement to find clients and keeping ANY kind of records? I just don't see it happening.
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