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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 13:50:42 GMT -5
I'll add my two cents to the special needs debate. My good friend is a nurse whose job is help prepare the Individual accommodation Plan (IAP) and to oversee the implementation of a part of the program. She would agree with Dark with the waste of resources on a lot of the plans. One of the reasons is very aggressive "advocates" who convince parents that their special needs child need a lot more resources than they do. These aggressive advocates are very good at convincing parents that the School Board is trying to screw them out of what their child "deserves" when there's very little or no benefit to the child. But it makes the advocate look good for fighting for their child and getting resources. My friend says it's really awful because of course if anyone says your child will get little or no benefit from the program the parents go to the school board or threaten lawsuits. My friend says that every once in a while a parent will wise up to what's going on and see how the advocate is manipulating the system to make themselves look good.
Yes, my friend is in Southern California but I find it difficult to believe that the same thing doesn't happen in every major metropolitan area.
I think it's very easy for a parent to think that more resources for their special needs child is better instead of taking a more critical thought process and asking how going through some of these processes will actually benefit their child and how one measures it.
My friend loves her job other than this aspect of it. She has some great stories to share. Then her school district must suck because a school is not going to award a child anything just because their parent thinks they "deserve" it. I've been in the system for 8 years now and trust me, if I ever uttered the words 'she deserves" I would be laughed out of the meeting.
A school must provide a "free and appropriate" education. Nowhere does it say "best" or based on "what she deserves". Flip side is that regular and gifted kids aren't entitled to "the best", either. And I'm also the parent of a gifted child so it isn't that I'm unsympathetic to the plight of the smart kid....we also aren't in hippy-dippy CA where they care more about illegals than they do their own citizens so we aren't faced with the budget cuts that Dark is apparently seeing. We also don't have our taxes capped at insanely small amounts like those in CA (if I'm not mistaken, they are capped at 1% of value...mine is more than double that)...I guess it comes down to "you get what you pay for"...
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 13:52:33 GMT -5
The district we bought in had G&T classes in every grade. They had two regular classes per grade and one G&T class per grade. It wasn't the top performing third, it was only the kids who tested into G&T. It's why we chose this district. When they axed G&T they got rid of the gifted class at each grade level and put an equal number of kids in each class. It was somewhat tracked. The gifted kids stayed in one class and were assigned to the teachers that used to teach the gifted classes, but with the addition of non gifted kids the classes slowed down and weren't able to cover all the material they used too. Those teachers were just as frustrated by it as we were. I don't understand why you don't just send them to private school. If they aren't getting the education you feel they need, send them private. That is what I would do with my gifted dd. Yes, I pay a shit load of taxes but if the education isn't there, it isn't there. I am still on the fence as to whether or not she will go to private school next year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 13:55:03 GMT -5
The district we bought in had G&T classes in every grade. They had two regular classes per grade and one G&T class per grade. It wasn't the top performing third, it was only the kids who tested into G&T. It's why we chose this district. When they axed G&T they got rid of the gifted class at each grade level and put an equal number of kids in each class. It was somewhat tracked. The gifted kids stayed in one class and were assigned to the teachers that used to teach the gifted classes, but with the addition of non gifted kids the classes slowed down and weren't able to cover all the material they used too. Those teachers were just as frustrated by it as we were. The sooner you let them know that their future will be stocking board games the better. It will give them a change to be mediocre in school and enjoy it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 13:57:58 GMT -5
CA needs more Lottery games!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 13:59:25 GMT -5
Yes, that happens Bonnie.
I've been blessed with great teachers (well, not the "Dr." ) who have always accommodated my requests. It's been years since I took my red magic marker to an IEP, but when I did they always made the requested adjustments. It's like some parents have no idea you can do that. Once they understood my expectations--and they weren't unreasonable--they adjusted their expectations accordingly.
My son's school has open house once a month. I dread it, parents come in and complain about *everything*, the sun is too bright and the grass isn't green enough, this is not how I want to end my day--and I'm not even a teacher! If I could skip it, I would, but I've been told "If you skip it, who will tell them they are doing a good job and appreciated?" I've resorted to having a strong drink before I go.
I wish we could video the meeting and force people to watch themselves. You sound like a reasonable parent. Most of the folks who cause the problems are not reasonable people. Some of it as I stated in my prior post are probably ok but the advocates can really wind them up.
But with some of the kids who have severe behavioral problems it's been clear to my friend that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
I think that is an unfair and blanket statement. I have had many fights with our school district, not because I expect over-the-top services but because I expect them to provide the services that we all agreed to in her IEP. When it became apparent that the school was not going to follow the IEP, I did hire an advocate and scheduled one last meeting. I let the superintendent know that this was the last straw. We either followed the IEP or we were going to court. I never had an issue with that school again.
It would make me a sucky ass parent if I didn't hold the school accountable. The battle wasn't getting the services approved, it was getting the school to follow through and actually provide them.
If you think that makes me an unreasonable parent, well, I'm happy to be unreasonable because at the end of the day my loyalties lie with my daughter.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Feb 17, 2014 13:59:59 GMT -5
I don't consider posters to be Trolls when they have a cause or belief that they feel strongly about and want to discuss their thoughts of why it's important to them - on either side. I do consider posters unstable and/or bat shit crazy that go off on people when they are disagreed with and start the name calling. I don't think they're Trolls either. What's hilarious is that the ones that are acting the most unstable are usually the ones calling others the names. I do sometimes miss our resident Trolls. I had fun playing with them.
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Post by Bonny on Feb 17, 2014 14:01:37 GMT -5
My friend works for one of the largest school districts in So. CA so it's not some kind of po-dunk district. I believe the issues she is experiencing are pretty common in many districts. It's the classic Squeaky Wheel Syndrome only now with the advocates being the squeaky wheel.
CA is complicated politically but trends that happen in CA often wind up happening in other metropolitan areas of the country so even if you hate CA it's important to watch what happens here because it's bound to eventually show up in your neck of the woods.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 14:03:12 GMT -5
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 14:05:23 GMT -5
My friend works for one of the largest school districts in So. CA so it's not some kind of po-dunk district. I believe the issues she is experiencing are pretty common in many districts. It's the classic Squeaky Wheel Syndrome only now with the advocates being the squeaky wheel.
CA is complicated politically but trends that happen in CA often wind up happening in other metropolitan areas of the country so even if you hate CA it's important to watch what happens here because it's bound to eventually show up in your neck of the woods. I'm a squeaky wheel. the parents that aren't don't truly care about their child's education. But that doesn't mean that I expect or receive anything unreasonable for my child. I'm looking at the kids in my dd's class and I don't see any of them receiving any outlandish services. Maybe that's why my school district isn't bankrupt.....
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Post by midjd on Feb 17, 2014 14:07:12 GMT -5
I thought throwing more money at the schools wasn't the answer anyway?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 14:08:46 GMT -5
I know. I wasn't clear enough I guess. The state has the revenue to pay for education, they don't prioritize it as highly as they used too. Prop 13, which is what caps property taxes at 1%, isn't the reason schools are underfunded. It's an easy scapegoat. Ok, I misunderstood your point.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 17, 2014 14:11:39 GMT -5
Sure... but be practical, madam. If the supply of dependent, undereducated voters ever runs out, who's going to perpetually support those high taxes?
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Post by JustLurkin on Feb 17, 2014 14:17:31 GMT -5
You sound like a reasonable parent. Most of the folks who cause the problems are not reasonable people. Some of it as I stated in my prior post are probably ok but the advocates can really wind them up.
But with some of the kids who have severe behavioral problems it's been clear to my friend that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
I think that is an unfair and blanket statement. I have had many fights with our school district, not because I expect over-the-top services but because I expect them to provide the services that we all agreed to in her IEP. When it became apparent that the school was not going to follow the IEP, I did hire an advocate and scheduled one last meeting. I let the superintendent know that this was the last straw. We either followed the IEP or we were going to court. I never had an issue with that school again.
It would make me a sucky ass parent if I didn't hold the school accountable. The battle wasn't getting the services approved, it was getting the school to follow through and actually provide them.
If you think that makes me an unreasonable parent, well, I'm happy to be unreasonable because at the end of the day my loyalties lie with my daughter.
Miss Tequila, it was *my understanding* that teachers are graded on the success of the IEP...? That makes me understand why teachers may be reluctant to add things to the IEP, but once there what reasoning would they provide for not following it? And Bonnie wasn't referring to a one-off meeting with an advocate/lawyer, she was referring to the parents who constantly bring them in--I know someone who would bring her lawyer in whenever her son was to move up in grade. So, basically, he stayed in seventh grade until he graduated. He was slight child so, most people probably didn't even realize he was 21--and she purposely wanted him around other children his size . By remaining in 7th grade until 21, he never had vocational training, which starts in high school. He graduated last year, and I sometimes wonder how she/he are managing.
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Post by JustLurkin on Feb 17, 2014 14:25:06 GMT -5
I'm a squeaky wheel. the parents that aren't don't truly care about their child's education. But that doesn't mean that I expect or receive anything unreasonable for my child. I'm looking at the kids in my dd's class and I don't see any of them receiving any outlandish services. Maybe that's why my school district isn't bankrupt..... How many of them will never go to college, live on their own, or hold a job? In a certain sense 'educating' the severely mentally handicapped is outlandish to begin with. Yes I realize severely mentally handicapped is hard to quantify and represents only a small minority of kids with IEPs, depending on how you define it. That can't be decided without the base education. How many "normal" kids will never go to college, live on their own, or hold a job? What's the current prison population?
Believe it or not, I agree with most of your sentiments...it's where we start defining the width of the paintbrush things get weird.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 14:27:41 GMT -5
I'm a squeaky wheel. the parents that aren't don't truly care about their child's education. But that doesn't mean that I expect or receive anything unreasonable for my child. I'm looking at the kids in my dd's class and I don't see any of them receiving any outlandish services. Maybe that's why my school district isn't bankrupt..... How many of them will never go to college, live on their own, or hold a job? In a certain sense 'educating' the severely mentally handicapped is outlandish to begin with. Yes I realize severely mentally handicapped is hard to quantify and represents only a small minority of kids with IEPs, depending on how you define it. That is your opinion. But if a school does its job then all if the kids, excluding the profoundly mentally retarded should be able to get some kind of job. My dd will never be a high wage earner but my goal for her is to be able to stock shelves or something like that. Maybe to you she should just be shoved away so your children can get more resources but luckily that isn't how society works. My dd can and does learn and she is just as entitled to an education as your two children. For the profoundly mentally retarded, I have no answers on that one. They aren't educable and I have no idea what they actually do in school so I have no comment either way.y
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 14:32:37 GMT -5
I think that is an unfair and blanket statement. I have had many fights with our school district, not because I expect over-the-top services but because I expect them to provide the services that we all agreed to in her IEP. When it became apparent that the school was not going to follow the IEP, I did hire an advocate and scheduled one last meeting. I let the superintendent know that this was the last straw. We either followed the IEP or we were going to court. I never had an issue with that school again.
It would make me a sucky ass parent if I didn't hold the school accountable. The battle wasn't getting the services approved, it was getting the school to follow through and actually provide them.
If you think that makes me an unreasonable parent, well, I'm happy to be unreasonable because at the end of the day my loyalties lie with my daughter.
Miss Tequila, it was *my understanding* that teachers are graded on the success of the IEP...? That makes me understand why teachers may be reluctant to add things to the IEP, but once there what reasoning would they provide for not following it? And Bonnie wasn't referring to a one-off meeting with an advocate/lawyer, she was referring to the parents who constantly bring them in--I know someone who would bring her lawyer in whenever her son was to move up in grade. So, basically, he stayed in seventh grade until he graduated. He was slight child so, most people probably didn't even realize he was 21--and she purposely wanted him around other children his size . By remaining in 7th grade until 21, he never had vocational training, which starts in high school. He graduated last year, and I sometimes wonder how she/he are managing. Not in my state. Teachers are not held accountable for the success of their student in any public school (from special needs to gifted).
We have only had one bad teacher but she was soooo bad. Just freaking lazy. She is the one that was not doing anything that was in her IEP. only when I threatened to go to court did she actually start working on my dd's goals. What is sad is how many kids in that classroom didn't have parents willing to take her to task for her laziness.
That is why I hate teachers unions. Not a damn thing can be done with a bad, lazy teacher. And the awesome teachers we had can't be rewarded because of the union (pay scales, etc). Drives me nuts!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 14:33:35 GMT -5
How many of them will never go to college, live on their own, or hold a job? In a certain sense 'educating' the severely mentally handicapped is outlandish to begin with. Yes I realize severely mentally handicapped is hard to quantify and represents only a small minority of kids with IEPs, depending on how you define it. That can't be decided without the base education. How many "normal" kids will never go to college, live on their own, or hold a job? What's the current prison population?
Believe it or not, I agree with most of your sentiments...it's where we start defining the width of the paintbrush things get weird.
how many people suck up the education and then never work or work only for a very short amount of time? Should we ask for a refund?
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Post by Bonny on Feb 17, 2014 14:37:33 GMT -5
I think that asking the school district to follow an IEP that everyone agreed to is a reasonable request. What reason did the District give for not following the plan?
My statement was not blanket at all. My posts have specifically referenced the harm that aggressive advocates do by winding up parents to demand services that don't benefit their children and waste the available and limited resources. But if a parent throws temper tantrums to successfully get their way it's not hard to see why his/her kid would copy that behavior.
I would assume that someone in your situation would keep going up the chain of command and not be throwing temper tantrums. But maybe you did? You seem to be taking the observation personally and it wasn't intended to be directed at you.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 14:40:01 GMT -5
I think that asking the school district to follow an IEP that everyone agreed to is a reasonable request. What reason did the District give for not following the plan?
My statement was not blanket at all. My posts have specifically referenced the harm that aggressive advocates do by winding up parents to demand services that don't benefit their children and waste the available and limited resources. But if a parent throws temper tantrums to successfully get their way it's not hard to see why his/her kid would copy that behavior.
I would assume that someone in your situation would keep going up the chain of command and not be throwing temper tantrums. But maybe you did? You seem to be taking the observation personally and it wasn't intended to be directed at you. Huh? How am I taking something personally by replying to it? Yes, I am clearly the type to throw a temper tantrum instead of getting my ducks in a row, knowing the law and taking appropriate action...you got me there
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 14:42:33 GMT -5
I think that asking the school district to follow an IEP that everyone agreed to is a reasonable request. What reason did the District give for not following the plan?
My statement was not blanket at all. My posts have specifically referenced the harm that aggressive advocates do by winding up parents to demand services that don't benefit their children and waste the available and limited resources. But if a parent throws temper tantrums to successfully get their way it's not hard to see why his/her kid would copy that behavior.
I would assume that someone in your situation would keep going up the chain of command and not be throwing temper tantrums. But maybe you did? You seem to be taking the observation personally and it wasn't intended to be directed at you. Let's see...the reason for not getting the occupational therapy (need for fine motor skills to write and cut properly) I was told "they dont' have the staff required to meet all IEP's"....you have GOT to be kidding me! I documented that and let them know that I am pretty sure under IDEA they can't not provide services because of staffing.
They never admitted that the teacher goals weren't being addressed (I knew a person that worked int eh classroom...they weren't being met). But once I threatened a lawsuit I started getting documentation that the work was being done (notebooks, the work itself being sent home, etc).
Luckily we left the school after that year...we have only had awesome teachers since.
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Post by JustLurkin on Feb 17, 2014 14:47:32 GMT -5
That can't be decided without the base education. How many "normal" kids will never go to college, live on their own, or hold a job? What's the current prison population?
Believe it or not, I agree with most of your sentiments...it's where we start defining the width of the paintbrush things get weird.
Sure it can. My mom was an elementary special ed teacher. Some of her students had long range IEP goals like being able to take care of their own personal hygiene in a group home setting. These were second graders. They didn't have the mental capacity to ever live independently or work. I remember one kid having a goal of learning to tie his own shoes by the end of junior high. Some of these kids, and again I'm talking small minority, have very little mental capacity. They're the ones with nearly full time aides because they can't go to the bathroom or eat on their own. Yea, I know what students you're referring to, my son was in a special needs school for a period of time. Once he left we used to go back for visits, it became too sad for me so we stopped. The reason it became too sad, is because during the yearly open house there would be a tribute to all the students who died. It was different in the beginning, but the older my son was the more names I recognized. A large number of those kids aren't going to finish school, it's not discussed, but it's true.
My son can't tie his shoes, we got him marathon strings. He can read, do math, lord knows he can eat, but no, no shoe tying.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 14:49:39 GMT -5
Sure it can. My mom was an elementary special ed teacher. Some of her students had long range IEP goals like being able to take care of their own personal hygiene in a group home setting. These were second graders. They didn't have the mental capacity to ever live independently or work. I remember one kid having a goal of learning to tie his own shoes by the end of junior high. Some of these kids, and again I'm talking small minority, have very little mental capacity. They're the ones with nearly full time aides because they can't go to the bathroom or eat on their own. Yea, I know what students you're referring to, my son was in a special needs school for a period of time. Once he left we used to go back for visits, it became too sad for me so we stopped. The reason it became too sad, is because during the yearly open house there would be a tribute to all the students who died. It was different in the beginning, but the older my son was the more names I recognized. A large number of those kids aren't going to finish school, it's not discussed, but it's true.
My son can't tie his shoes, we got him marathon strings. He can read, do math, lord knows he can eat, but no, no shoe tying.
OMG...that is so incredibly sad We haven't encountered any of that. The profoundly mentally retarded (I hope I'm using that term properly) go to a different school than my dd. I couldn't handle seeing her classmates die like that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 14:54:33 GMT -5
My MIL worked with severely handicapped kids in the Buffalo School System. She had current or old students die every year. How heartbreaking!
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Post by imawino on Feb 17, 2014 15:08:55 GMT -5
How many of them will never go to college, live on their own, or hold a job? In a certain sense 'educating' the severely mentally handicapped is outlandish to begin with. Yes I realize severely mentally handicapped is hard to quantify and represents only a small minority of kids with IEPs, depending on how you define it. That is your opinion. But if a school does its job then all if the kids, excluding the profoundly mentally retarded should be able to get some kind of job. My dd will never be a high wage earner but my goal for her is to be able to stock shelves or something like that. Maybe to you she should just be shoved away so your children can get more resources but luckily that isn't how society works. My dd can and does learn and she is just as entitled to an education as your two children. For the profoundly mentally retarded, I have no answers on that one. They aren't educable and I have no idea what they actually do in school so I have no comment either way.y Of course she is just as entitled but the point is, is she MORE entitled? What he has been saying is that there is one special ed budget, and one end of the spectrum is getting all the special ed funds, while the other end is getting none. It is appropriate to discuss whether that is the wisest and even fairest use of a community's taxpayer dollars. It's hypocritical to say that only sucky parents don't advocate for their kids while everyone seems to be lambasting him, calling him a troll, etc for advocating for his kids.
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Post by Bonny on Feb 17, 2014 15:12:13 GMT -5
I think that asking the school district to follow an IEP that everyone agreed to is a reasonable request. What reason did the District give for not following the plan?
My statement was not blanket at all. My posts have specifically referenced the harm that aggressive advocates do by winding up parents to demand services that don't benefit their children and waste the available and limited resources. But if a parent throws temper tantrums to successfully get their way it's not hard to see why his/her kid would copy that behavior.
I would assume that someone in your situation would keep going up the chain of command and not be throwing temper tantrums. But maybe you did? You seem to be taking the observation personally and it wasn't intended to be directed at you. Huh? How am I taking something personally by replying to it? Yes, I am clearly the type to throw a temper tantrum instead of getting my ducks in a row, knowing the law and taking appropriate action...you got me there Please re-read your post 116, last sentence. You are definitely making this personal.
I saw the post where you stated your child had a lazy teacher who wasn't doing the plan. That's an absolutely good reason to start going up the food chain. But I never said or implied that you were demanding extra services.
FWIW, I had a serious drunk for a teacher in 5th grade. I mean to the point where she would be vomiting over the class handrail on more than one occasion. My parents tried to have her removed and went all the way to the school board but all they did was force her to take early retirement two years later. My mom told the school principal that if he put my brother in her class she'd hold him out of school. Which is exactly what the principle did. True to her word my mom held my brother out of school until he was reassigned to another teacher. The only way my mom could fight back was to hit the district in the pocketbook since they don't get paid if kids don't attend class. My parents could not afford to send us to private school.
Years later I realized that my teacher, the school principal and the school secretary were all drinking buddies.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 15:25:33 GMT -5
That is your opinion. But if a school does its job then all if the kids, excluding the profoundly mentally retarded should be able to get some kind of job. My dd will never be a high wage earner but my goal for her is to be able to stock shelves or something like that. Maybe to you she should just be shoved away so your children can get more resources but luckily that isn't how society works. My dd can and does learn and she is just as entitled to an education as your two children. For the profoundly mentally retarded, I have no answers on that one. They aren't educable and I have no idea what they actually do in school so I have no comment either way.y Of course she is just as entitled but the point is, is she MORE entitled? What he has been saying is that there is one special ed budget, and one end of the spectrum is getting all the special ed funds, while the other end is getting none. It is appropriate to discuss whether that is the wisest and even fairest use of a community's taxpayer dollars. It's hypocritical to say that only sucky parents don't advocate for their kids while everyone seems to be lambasting him, calling him a troll, etc for advocating for his kids. No, but his kids aren't more entitled than my daughter, either. I don't sit here telling him that his kids shouldn't get an education...yet that is what he is proposing for children like mine.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 15:26:28 GMT -5
Glad I wasn't the only one who saw that bit of irony imawino. When I advocate not allowing your children to attend school, then it would be irony. My children are just as entitled to an education as your children.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 15:29:33 GMT -5
Of the 100 largest school systems by enrollment in the U.S., New York City School District in New York ($19,770) had the highest current spending per student in 2011, followed by Boston Public Schools in Massachusetts ($19,181), Baltimore City Public Schools in Maryland ($15,483), Montgomery County Public Schools in Maryland ($15,421), and Howard County Schools in Maryland ($15,139).www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/governments/cb13-92.htmlLast fiscal year, the county school system spent about $34.5 million to send 524 students to nonpublic special education schools — about $65,800 per student, according to Gwendolyn Mason, director of special education services for Montgomery County Public Schools. Maryland's contribution to nonpublic special education that year was $89.4 million on tuition for 4,284 students, according to the state department of education.www.gazette.net/article/20120321/NEWS/703219467/&template=gazetteWe spend a lot to educate students in this county.... and based on national rankings, i think the county does a fairly good job educating the student base But there will come a time, where we will have to choose whether or not to continue to educate the masses as well as we have done, or continue to spend on the special needs kids It will be an either or choice.....there will not be enough money to go around to do both as well www6.montgomerycountymd.gov/content/council/olo/reports/pdf/2007-5.pdf this report is dated, but shows the increases that the special needs portion of the budget has received over a number of years
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 15:30:00 GMT -5
Huh? How am I taking something personally by replying to it? Yes, I am clearly the type to throw a temper tantrum instead of getting my ducks in a row, knowing the law and taking appropriate action...you got me there Please re-read your post 116, last sentence. You are definitely making this personal.
I saw the post where you stated your child had a lazy teacher who wasn't doing the plan. That's an absolutely good reason to start going up the food chain. But I never said or implied that you were demanding extra services.
FWIW, I had a serious drunk for a teacher in 5th grade. I mean to the point where she would be vomiting over the class handrail on more than one occasion. My parents tried to have her removed and went all the way to the school board but all they did was force her to take early retirement two years later. My mom told the school principal that if he put my brother in her class she'd hold him out of school. Which is exactly what the principle did. True to her word my mom held my brother out of school until he was reassigned to another teacher. The only way my mom could fight back was to hit the district in the pocketbook since they don't get paid if kids don't attend class. My parents could not afford to send us to private school.
Years later I realized that my teacher, the school principal and the school secretary were all drinking buddies.
We will have to agree to disagree. My comment was such that if hiring an advocate makes me unreasonable, I am happy to be called unreasonable.
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 15:34:11 GMT -5
I never said she shouldn't get an education, I question spending extra to give her a tailored education. She could be put in a regular classroom and held back as many times as it took to master the material. By 18 she may still be in elementary school, but she'd get a free education according to her abilities. You do realize that if you mainstream kids that aren't meant to be mainstreamed (and I should note that the advocate wanted me to push for that) then there will be extra resources needed to teach material to her level. Just like kids with learning disabilities get extra resources to learn in a regular classroom setting.
Let's put your children in a classroom with a bunch of special needs children and see how much you bitch and complain about how they are disrupting your children's education.
And yes you have said, on MANY occasions that resources shouldn't be wasted on special needs kids. That they don't belong in school. I don't care enough to go looking for the threads to prove my point but I knokw you said it and many others who aren't on your bandwagon also know you have said it.
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