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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 15:35:51 GMT -5
I never said she shouldn't get an education, I question spending extra to give her a tailored education. She could be put in a regular classroom and held back as many times as it took to master the material. By 18 she may still be in elementary school, but she'd get a free education according to her abilities. Oh, and am I the only one that sees the irony?? the entire basis of your rant is that YOUR kids no longer get an tailored education because CA doesn't prioritize spending. So your kids deserve a tailored education but not my child? For the record, in my school BOTH of my kids get a tailored education. Again, look at how your tax dollars are spent and work on getting CA to prioritize education.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Feb 17, 2014 15:43:29 GMT -5
OT - Virgil, I want you to read the book The Name of the Rose to me and tell me what it's about. If I can find a copy of it at the library here, I'll give it a look. The Wiki summary suggests that it's not really "about" anything; it's a creative work intended to be polysemous and obscure. And as you're probably aware, I was plainly accused of "finding trivial shit to bitch about" when I started a discussion on semiotics last Friday. Hence if I take more flak from the peanut gallery, you'll owe me one. I will look at wiki before I give up. I owe you more than one.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 15:58:54 GMT -5
Oh, and am I the only one that sees the irony?? the entire basis of your rant is that YOUR kids no longer get an tailored education because CA doesn't prioritize spending. So your kids deserve a tailored education but not my child? For the record, in my school BOTH of my kids get a tailored education. Again, look at how your tax dollars are spent and work on getting CA to prioritize education. If they're going to provide tailored education to the kids on the bottom they should be required to provide it for the kids on top too. If they aren't going to provide tailored education to the kids at the top they should stop providing it to the kids at the bottom. Everyone would get an equal education and if low performing kids aren't having their needs met the parents can send them to private school, supplement at home, or home school them. That's what we do with the brightest kids in the country, why isn't it good enough for the dimmest? I'm not sure what "tailored" education you think my daughter is getting. She is expected to learn the curriculum. It isn't a curriculum that has been made just for her. The teacher needs to tailor some things for her to help her learn it, but she is not getting some tailored customized education. She learns the classroom curriculum. Just like my oldest before she hit high school. She still had the curriculum of the gifted program, just presented in a more challenging way (term papers, presentation, projects, etc) and advanced several levels.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 16:09:50 GMT -5
What grade is she in now? Does she have to meet the state curriculum standards for that grade level? Did she have to meet all the standards for the previous grade in order to advance? What does that have to do with anything? That does not mean that the education is customized for each child in her classroom. She is in a classroom. They all learn the same thing. She doesn't have one-on-one teaching.
Seriously, I am not going to sit here and go round and round and round again with you. I just don't care enough. If you want to think that kids that aren't geniuses aren't entitled to anything...I don't really care. Think what you want because bitching about your education on a message board really doesn't do a damn thing. But if you makes you feel better, go for it. Me, I'm tired of talking about the same thing over and over and over again. At least you managed to not make shit up about my separation this time...good job Dark
But I would take all of the energy that you seem to put into bitching on a message board and actually do something useful with it. Either search out private schools that suit your needs (that's what I would do if I was so unhappy with our school) or go after your legislatures for not prioritizing education. You are one of the highest taxed states in the country yet almost rock bottom for education spending. That is an issue that is not caused by special needs children.
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Post by Bonny on Feb 17, 2014 16:20:26 GMT -5
Please re-read your post 116, last sentence. You are definitely making this personal.
I saw the post where you stated your child had a lazy teacher who wasn't doing the plan. That's an absolutely good reason to start going up the food chain. But I never said or implied that you were demanding extra services.
FWIW, I had a serious drunk for a teacher in 5th grade. I mean to the point where she would be vomiting over the class handrail on more than one occasion. My parents tried to have her removed and went all the way to the school board but all they did was force her to take early retirement two years later. My mom told the school principal that if he put my brother in her class she'd hold him out of school. Which is exactly what the principle did. True to her word my mom held my brother out of school until he was reassigned to another teacher. The only way my mom could fight back was to hit the district in the pocketbook since they don't get paid if kids don't attend class. My parents could not afford to send us to private school.
Years later I realized that my teacher, the school principal and the school secretary were all drinking buddies.
We will have to agree to disagree. My comment was such that if hiring an advocate makes me unreasonable, I am happy to be called unreasonable. I never said hiring an advocate was unreasonable.
Again, you are making this personal. I think hiring an advocate can be a wise decision under the right circumstances. My point all along has been my friend's observation that aggressive advocates advocating programs, tests, whatever that don't benefit the children in order to make themselves (the advocate) look good are wasting the District's limited resources.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 17, 2014 16:37:41 GMT -5
As I asked in the beginning of this thread when we were still discussing internet trolls, what is wrong with making something here personal? Everybody's posts come from a personal standpoint. I've seen it said here quite of few times "you are making this personal". Of course it's personal or people wouldn't be posting it. There is nothing wrong with that and it doesn't need repeating a million times like it's some sort of failing on somebody's part. It isn't.
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Post by Bonny on Feb 17, 2014 16:46:51 GMT -5
As I asked in the beginning of this thread when we were still discussing internet trolls, what is wrong with making something here personal? Everybody's posts come from a personal standpoint. I've seen it said here quite of few times "you are making this personal". Of course it's personal or people wouldn't be posting it. There is nothing wrong with that and it doesn't need repeating a million times like it's some sort of failing on somebody's part. It isn't. By "taking it personal" I mean Ms T is turning whatever I say into a personal attack on her. I'm not talking about her situation at all. My comment was to show an example of a growing problem my friend who works in the school system is observing. Neither she nor I would have a problem with a parent trying to get what her child needs and that the school can provide.
When I first heard of the problem I was amazed that there were these kinds of problems. I had never heard such a thing. I always thought it was just a shortage of money but it's partially due to the resource hogs. What I found so disturbing was that it's almost a type of torture for these kids and their parents.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 16:51:03 GMT -5
As I asked in the beginning of this thread when we were still discussing internet trolls, what is wrong with making something here personal? Everybody's posts come from a personal standpoint. I've seen it said here quite of few times "you are making this personal". Of course it's personal or people wouldn't be posting it. There is nothing wrong with that and it doesn't need repeating a million times like it's some sort of failing on somebody's part. It isn't. By "taking it personal" I mean Ms T is turning whatever I say into a personal attack on her. I'm not talking about her situation at all. My comment was to show an example of a growing problem my friend who works in the school system is observing. Neither she nor I would have a problem with a parent trying to get what her child needs and that the school can provide.
When I first heard of the problem I was amazed that there were these kinds of problems. I always thought it was just a shortage of money but it's partially due to the resource hogs.
Sweet Jesus, I did NOT read that as a personal attack. Everything I reply to does NOT mean I take it as a personal attack. I have only had a few personal attacks (on this board, not this thread) and I attack right back. I would never in a million years consider what you said a personal attack. making shit up about my marriage, THAT is a personal attack.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 16:52:01 GMT -5
I think it is personal to say "your kid is ...." It's a bit different to talk about a grouping of people in general. And, I think, though I may be wrong, the word "retarded" is considered offensive to most these days. kinda like how we don't refer to dwarfs as midgets or Asian people as Orientials....
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 16:53:11 GMT -5
I think it is personal to say "your kid is ...." It's a bit different to talk about a grouping of people in general. And, I think, though I may be wrong, the word "retarded" is considered offensive to most these days. kinda like how we don't refer to dwarfs as midgets or Asian people as Orientials.... Trolls like to throw around offensive words to really rile people up...it just makes me laugh
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 17, 2014 18:03:26 GMT -5
I think it is personal to say "your kid is ...." It's a bit different to talk about a grouping of people in general. And, I think, though I may be wrong, the word "retarded" is considered offensive to most these days. kinda like how we don't refer to dwarfs as midgets or Asian people as Orientials.... When did "oriental" become an offensive term? West and East. The Occident and the Orient. I might say "the man is oriental" rather than "the man is east-Asian". "Asian" is actually a misnomer. Asia also includes Russia, India, the Middle East, and most of Malaysia and Indonesia. But "Asian" typically doesn't refer to any of these. It refers to the people of the Asian Orient--most notably the Chinese, the Japanese, and the Koreans. "Oriental" is a more technically accurate term (or at least a less technically inaccurate one). And now you're saying the PC police have outlawed that one too?
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 17, 2014 18:18:06 GMT -5
I was told that. DF has an Asian DIL that refers to herself as oriental, so I did, and was quickly corrected by this board.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 18:28:51 GMT -5
Trolls like to throw around offensive words to really rile people up...it just makes me laugh You were the one who kept talking about my kids specifically in response to my comments about education spending in general. Half your posts on this thread include the phrase your kids. I was replying to you bitching about your kids not getting the education they deserve....of course I talked about them specifically. Much like you specifically talked about my daughter... Seriously, I'm done replying to you. Now you are going to nit pick my posts....don't you have anything else to make up about my marriage this time?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 18:30:23 GMT -5
I think it is personal to say "your kid is ...." It's a bit different to talk about a grouping of people in general. And, I think, though I may be wrong, the word "retarded" is considered offensive to most these days. kinda like how we don't refer to dwarfs as midgets or Asian people as Orientials.... When did "oriental" become an offensive term? West and East. The Occident and the Orient. I might say "the man is oriental" rather than "the man is east-Asian". "Asian" is actually a misnomer. Asia also includes Russia, India, the Middle East, and most of Malaysia and Indonesia. But "Asian" typically doesn't refer to any of these. It refers to the people of the Asian Orient--most notably the Chinese, the Japanese, and the Koreans. "Oriental" is a more technically accurate term (or at least a less technically inaccurate one). And now you're saying the PC police have outlawed that one too? I can't keep up. I try to go by what I think is right but everyone seems to change what is acceptable way more than I can keep up.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 17, 2014 18:30:51 GMT -5
I was told that. DF has an Asian DIL that refers to herself as oriental, so I did, and was quickly corrected by this board. And we're sure it's not the blind leading the blind? I mean we're talking about a board that blows up over whether pop should be called "soda" or "Coke".
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 18:35:24 GMT -5
I was told that. DF has an Asian DIL that refers to herself as oriental, so I did, and was quickly corrected by this board. And we're sure it's not the blind leading the blind? I mean we're talking about a board that blows up over whether pop should be called "soda" or "Coke". They prefer visually impaired :-p
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 18:55:44 GMT -5
I was told that. DF has an Asian DIL that refers to herself as oriental, so I did, and was quickly corrected by this board. And we're sure it's not the blind leading the blind? I mean we're talking about a board that blows up over whether pop should be called "soda" or "Coke". Only rednecks and white trash call soda "coke".
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 17, 2014 18:59:32 GMT -5
Rednecks and white trash most certainly do not call it "coke" unless it's a Coke!
We call it pop.
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Post by les63 on Feb 17, 2014 19:05:27 GMT -5
This has turned into circle jerk. Us against them. My child will always be important than yours. That is life. Thank God Noah has me. Also it is too bad more states don't have BOCES. Look it up, great programs. Noah goes to BOCES here in NYS.
I guess I will stay home forever with Noah and still get taxpayer monies. Win, win for meeee!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 19:16:34 GMT -5
Oriental = rugs
Asian = people
I stopped working for Kaiser back in 2001 and it was during a meeting there that I was informed that referring to Asian people as Oriental was considered derogatory and should not be said.
Then again, I have a dwarf son and yet used the word midget when the doctor was telling me there was an issue with my sonogram and my son was not correctly proportioned. I didn't have any contact with little people back then, and TLC wasn't on the air yet. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 19:19:07 GMT -5
I just wanted to add.... I was that kid in school that asked what made f-u-c-k a "bad" word and something like "dog" a "good" word. I am hardly PC, but I think it is important to know the issue exists because it can be embarrassing if you are in the middle of a store or in a meeting and don't know it can be an issue. Kinda like a PC public service message or something.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 17, 2014 19:21:54 GMT -5
Well, his DIL works for Amway and is a pretty important person and she called herself oriental. She's not talking rugs when she does.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 17, 2014 19:22:10 GMT -5
She's not even 40.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 19:24:11 GMT -5
On the trolling topic.
I also think it is hard for people to understand that other people don't necessarily think like they do. We have a lot of Type A, intelligent people here. While you may be able to not be offended or feel bullied, that is not the same for everyone.
It is also really easy to have a bad day in your own life, or a very low one, and then take that out on someone else. If it happens to be someone who can take it for what it is, then that's fine. But, sometimes it isn't someone who has the ability that day to take the extra pain or aggravation. I think it is a type of bullying when people pile on just to be nasty and get a rise out of an already hurting person. That's been my experience anyway.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 19:35:34 GMT -5
This has turned into circle jerk. Us against them. My child will always be important than yours. That is life. Thank God Noah has me. Also it is too bad more states don't have BOCES. Look it up, great programs. Noah goes to BOCES here in NYS. I guess I will stay home forever with Noah and still get taxpayer monies. Win, win for meeee!!!!! I think you nailed it. As a parent, I care about what is best for my kids, not someone else's. much like other posters on here care what is best for their child and no one else's. this isn't something that ever be resolved, nor should it be. Luckily I have federal law backing me up :-p
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 17, 2014 19:37:39 GMT -5
On the trolling topic. I also think it is hard for people to understand that other people don't necessarily think like they do. We have a lot of Type A, intelligent people here. While you may be able to not be offended or feel bullied, that is not the same for everyone. It is also really easy to have a bad day in your own life, or a very low one, and then take that out on someone else. If it happens to be someone who can take it for what it is, then that's fine. But, sometimes it isn't someone who has the ability that day to take the extra pain or aggravation. I think it is a type of bullying when people pile on just to be nasty and get a rise out of an already hurting person. That's been my experience anyway. But how am I supposed to know who is truly hurting versus someone who is just arguing? If someone is hurting, they need to be able to walk away.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 17, 2014 19:38:34 GMT -5
I agree that everybody doesn't take things in the same way. What may hurt one person is like water off a duck's back to others. However, if I'm having a day where feedback (not necessarily the feedback I'm looking for) is going to be bothersome to me, I just don't post anything anybody can pick apart. I can be thin skinned myself - depending on the day. The next day, the same stuff will make me laugh. I've learned from people here and it hasn't always been pleasant. But if I want to post something, I better be ready for the feedback because everyone here doesn't post and and . People are honest here and if they feel you are making a huge mistake or error in judgment, they are probably going to say so. On the other hand, you can bet the farm on who will post in certain threads with one intent and that intent is to be mean. There are a couple of posters, when they start a thread, you can count on those 2 or 3 posters who will come in like salivating dogs just to pounce. To me, those people are the true meaning of a "troll".
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 17, 2014 22:39:28 GMT -5
And we're sure it's not the blind leading the blind? I mean we're talking about a board that blows up over whether pop should be called "soda" or "Coke". They prefer visually impaired :-p The "visually impaired" one actually backfired on the PC crusaders. People who are completely (or almost completely) blind balked at the "visually impaired" euphemism for a very logical reason: it implies impairment rather than blindness. Affected people wanted others to know that they are blind. They don't just have a harder-than-normal time seeing things, they cannot see. The same principle held for the term "deaf". Not "auditorily impaired". Deaf. Unable to hear anything. Happy, happy euphemisms don't change that reality. Good on them for standing fast. You can't PC-ify a label without tacitly admitting that the label is derogatory. The PC police are (I'm sure) well-meaning people, but they just don't get that.
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Post by grits on Feb 17, 2014 23:16:37 GMT -5
I tried to send my Super Man troll to spy on Virgil but he put out kryptonite.
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