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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Feb 5, 2014 23:45:28 GMT -5
When did PE get so rigid in school? I don't remember ever being graded on whether or not I could do a somersault. (which I still can't to this day).
We went to PE and did the exercise workouts, or signed up for tumbling, gymnastics, and other sports (volleyball, basketball, etc) and maybe ran track if we were up to it physically - but being graded on a somersault? That's ludicrous. Some people just don't have the balance/coordinatin to do one properly.
Thank goodness I got out of PE due to heart issues.
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Post by justme on Feb 5, 2014 23:45:28 GMT -5
That's good! Though, in that case, I think I'd be more adamant for the teacher to forget the somersault. It's obviously not some aversion to the teacher that's causing this, and I guess he doesn't have a problem in other PE things. It seems like the situation is just with this one thing.
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Post by taz157 on Feb 6, 2014 5:01:50 GMT -5
In other news. My divorce was finalized today. I think. My attorney isn't the best at keeping in touch, but it says decree granted online, so I'm assuming. I'm a little numb by it all. I'm now officially on my own with two kids and nobody to fall back on. I had all of 15 minutes to soak that thought in when I found out our company is going to have a big layoff tomorrow! A coworker friend that has been there for 20+ years has a connection with IT who gets wind of this stuff ahead of time, so I know it's legit. They already let the head of HR and someone in finance go yesterday. This is supposed to hit every department. I'm not the bottom of the totem pole in mine, but close. Sending good vibes that you aren't one of the layoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 8:26:51 GMT -5
YAY for DS and archery, YAY for your divorce and I will keep my fingers crossed for you regarding the layoffs.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 6, 2014 9:44:05 GMT -5
Well, that is good news about your son. Hoping the news about your job isn't going to be bad. Archery! What fun! Yes we now have to grade kids in PE. Sigh. What's the world coming to. I used to just give 3 grades, E, S, and NI, needs improvement. Always told my kids an E in conduct should be a given. That they'd have to work to get lower than that. Miss my kids but found out that its even worse BS at my old school. DON'T MISS THAT AT ALL!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 9:52:33 GMT -5
Our department manager just called us in. Our department is the only one exempt from the layoff. I'm in product engineering and we're the front line with the customers. I think part of it is we're a contract manufacturer and they don't want customers knowing cuts are being made. I'm not an engineer, but I do a lot of their work for them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 9:53:46 GMT -5
YAY! Glad to hear it!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 9:55:22 GMT -5
Well, that is good news about your son. Hoping the news about your job isn't going to be bad. Archery! What fun! Yes we now have to grade kids in PE. Sigh. What's the world coming to. I used to just give 3 grades, E, S, and NI, needs improvement. Always told my kids an E in conduct should be a given. That they'd have to work to get lower than that. Miss my kids but found out that its even worse BS at my old school. DON'T MISS THAT AT ALL!!!! He loves archery. Our school does something similar for grading. They do it for ALL classes though, not just PE. Basically, you're amazing, you're doing fine, or you're working on it. I don't even think there is a "needs improvement".
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 6, 2014 9:59:46 GMT -5
I always hated that NI but it was what it was. Everyone needs improvement for Pete's sake! I so rarely gave it out because most of my students were in adaptive PE. I rarely gave bad, and for me, S was bad, in conduct in PE. S was common in skills for little kids because they were new at stuff. Little boogers!
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Post by tskeeter on Feb 6, 2014 12:25:38 GMT -5
I would tell my son that here's what's going to happen about the somersault. 1. I don't think this is a skill that is necessary for you to learn. 2. You won't be staying after class to "practice" it. 3. We won't be "practicing" it at home. 4. In class, you will try everything and do the best you can. That is all we ask. 5. I have spoken with your teacher and explained about numbers 1-4. 6. Spending this much energy and effort and worry about a stupid somersault is just ridiculous and I am done with it. I will listen if you want to talk about it but whether you can do a somersault or not just isn't important to me or anyone, really. For what it's worth, my daughter couldn't do timed multiplication table tests in the time limit no matter how much we practiced. We practiced every night and she cried often and lost sleep, was made to stay in at recess by her teacher. It finally got to the point where we had enough. She knew the answers and that was good enough for both of us. So I told her what I wrote above in steps 1-6 and talked to the teacher. Her teacher was convinced that if she couldn't do those timed tests, she'd never be able to do higher math later. My daughter probably had to stay in for a few more recesses and she got a C or something in that math class. Maybe even a D. But it didn't matter because we'd moved on. She aced her college calculus class, by the way. We still look back on those tests and thinks what a stupid thing to have spent so much time and effort on. But a somersault is even more ridiculous. I just don't get teachers some times. I'm with you, endofera. I just don't get teachers some times. However, it might be worth it for MPL to ask the teacher why they think doing a summersault is so important. My bet is that it isn't really about doing summersaults. That the real point of the teacher's insistence is to try to teach some other lesson, such as stretching your comfort zone, persaverence, etc. And the teacher believes that everyone can do summersaults, so has chosen this skill as the teaching tool. By understanding the teacher's true agenda, MPL and the teacher may be able to find a way to teach summersaults, or another way to teach the other skill the teacher is trying to get across. I know that a lot of people don't think that athletics have a lot of value. Heaven knows that I'm not much of an athlete, so tend to have a non-athlete's perspective on the value of athletics. But, I consider athletics to be of considerable value in the educational process for many, many kids. Many years ago, I had a revelation. I realized that many of the business leaders that I had worked with (somewhere around half) had been high school and college athletes. I started thinking about the attributes that make for successful leaders and aboout (oops, Canadian moment) how athletic experience would help develop those skill sets. I came up with quite a list. Some of the obvious one are teamwork, persaverence, commitment, determination, dedication, and the like. Less obvious are negotiating skills, holding others accountable for doing their job/share, mental and emotional toughness, analytical skills (why didn't that play work and how can I do it differently next time), flexability, reliability, and the list goes on and on. Funny how the education system seems to be trying to teach many of these skills in the classroom, but often places little emphasis on how these skills are learned on the athletic field.
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Post by swamp on Feb 6, 2014 12:28:54 GMT -5
Funny how I was about 40 when I realized how the skills I learned on the playing field helped my career development.
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 6, 2014 12:39:25 GMT -5
Has the teacher or principle responded yet?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 13:12:27 GMT -5
Has the teacher or principle responded yet? Nope.
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Post by Peace77 on Feb 6, 2014 13:12:32 GMT -5
I never took Trigonometry and did just fine without it.
Forcing a kid to do something painful is NOT going to encourage fitness later in life. It is likely to make him avoid any kind of exercise if he associates exercise with pain.
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 6, 2014 13:26:54 GMT -5
Has the teacher or principle responded yet? Nope. That would seriously piss me off.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 6, 2014 21:48:03 GMT -5
I always hated that NI but it was what it was. Everyone needs improvement for Pete's sake! I so rarely gave it out because most of my students were in adaptive PE. I rarely gave bad, and for me, S was bad, in conduct in PE. S was common in skills for little kids because they were new at stuff. Little boogers! My daughter's school gives: Falls Far Below Approaching Meets Exceeds They think they are so progressive and awesome. It is stupid. I understand the A-F grades, everyone does. Why recreate the wheel?
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 6, 2014 21:51:06 GMT -5
They always got letter grades in the classroom. PE used to be fun so grades were given but not emphasized. Hence, the E, S, and NI. None of it affected your GPA at all.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 7, 2014 13:28:51 GMT -5
In other news. My divorce was finalized today. I think. My attorney isn't the best at keeping in touch, but it says decree granted online, so I'm assuming. I'm a little numb by it all. I'm now officially on my own with two kids and nobody to fall back on. I had all of 15 minutes to soak that thought in when I found out our company is going to have a big layoff tomorrow! A coworker friend that has been there for 20+ years has a connection with IT who gets wind of this stuff ahead of time, so I know it's legit. They already let the head of HR and someone in finance go yesterday. This is supposed to hit every department. I'm not the bottom of the totem pole in mine, but close. Sending good vibes that you aren't one of the layoffs. I adored the archery segment we did in high school PE. That and badtmitten (spelling is wrong. I can't get close enough for spell checker to get it right) are the only 2 sports I remember doing!
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 7, 2014 13:31:09 GMT -5
Nope. That would seriously piss me off. Me two.
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Post by Angel! on Feb 10, 2014 16:33:41 GMT -5
In other news. My divorce was finalized today. I think. My attorney isn't the best at keeping in touch, but it says decree granted online, so I'm assuming. I'm a little numb by it all. I'm now officially on my own with two kids and nobody to fall back on. I had all of 15 minutes to soak that thought in when I found out our company is going to have a big layoff tomorrow! A coworker friend that has been there for 20+ years has a connection with IT who gets wind of this stuff ahead of time, so I know it's legit. They already let the head of HR and someone in finance go yesterday. This is supposed to hit every department. I'm not the bottom of the totem pole in mine, but close. Hugs regarding the divorce. I haven't been around YM a lot over the past few months & didn't know you had filed. Take care of yourself & your kiddos. Any update regarding the principal or teacher?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 16:55:05 GMT -5
In other news. My divorce was finalized today. I think. My attorney isn't the best at keeping in touch, but it says decree granted online, so I'm assuming. I'm a little numb by it all. I'm now officially on my own with two kids and nobody to fall back on. I had all of 15 minutes to soak that thought in when I found out our company is going to have a big layoff tomorrow! A coworker friend that has been there for 20+ years has a connection with IT who gets wind of this stuff ahead of time, so I know it's legit. They already let the head of HR and someone in finance go yesterday. This is supposed to hit every department. I'm not the bottom of the totem pole in mine, but close. Hugs regarding the divorce. I haven't been around YM a lot over the past few months & didn't know you had filed. Take care of yourself & your kiddos. Any update regarding the principal or teacher? It hasn't really sunk in yet. I still wear my ring, pay his bills and don't FEEL divorced. I really didn't have much of a choice. He needed to be declared a ward of the state to get help. My insurance wouldn't cover the places they were sending him and jail wouldn't let him out without a facility to go to. He's been in jail for 4 months now for essentially a few disorderly conduct charges because they have nowhere else to put him, and I wouldn't take him home. They kept moving the sentencing back waiting for the divorce to be finalized and now it might be hung up on a freaking 23K retirement account. If I had known that I would have taken it all out last August instead of just 6K. He's talking about just giving it to me for child support or putting it in our son's college, but I didn't think they could hold retirement assets against you? It's not like it's much, that's for sure. Anyhow, haven't heard a word from the principal or PE teacher.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 10, 2014 16:58:22 GMT -5
Are you sure they got it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 17:02:56 GMT -5
His classroom teacher and his Dad got it (they were cc'd), so I'm just assuming all did, but I guess I don't know.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 10, 2014 17:04:54 GMT -5
Things can get filtered out in a school computer.
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Post by Angel! on Feb 10, 2014 17:09:30 GMT -5
That is wierd to hold up a divorce over 23K in retirement funds. Hopefully your DH can get help now though.
That would really piss me off to not have a response from even the principal yet. Maybe they plan to discuss the issue and get back to you, but you think they would email you and let you know that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 17:13:04 GMT -5
That is wierd to hold up a divorce over 23K in retirement funds. Hopefully your DH can get help now though.
Not the divorce. That was finalized on the 5th. Making him a ward of the state or whatever the terminology is. I think he has to be pretty much destitute, but I thought retirement was exempt. This is something I'm getting from his mother though and she's not exactly all there herself. So, if she was talking to DH about it, I'm sure the facts are all jumbled up.
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 10, 2014 17:21:55 GMT -5
*hugs* MPL! Wishing you and your family all the best!
And I'd still be super pissed about not hearing from the teacher.
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Post by Angel! on Feb 10, 2014 17:23:29 GMT -5
That is wierd to hold up a divorce over 23K in retirement funds. Hopefully your DH can get help now though.
Not the divorce. That was finalized on the 5th. Making him a ward of the state or whatever the terminology is. I think he has to be pretty much destitute, but I thought retirement was exempt. This is something I'm getting from his mother though and she's not exactly all there herself. So, if she was talking to DH about it, I'm sure the facts are all jumbled up. Gotcha. That sucks. I have no idea how retirement plays into all of that. Too bad you didn't cash it out
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 10:11:19 GMT -5
So, I emailed classroom teacher about something last night (found two weeks of math homework not done in DS's backpack and wanted to let her know that he'd have it all done and turned in by Wednesday). Anyhow, she said there was a focus group scheduled for the somersault "problem". This is where they get the teachers, school counselor, special ed (if needed) and the parents together to work out a plan. Meanwhile she also tells me that DS absolutely floored all the college chemistry students with what he knew at their field trip to the university last week. She said she overheard them talking about how amazing that kid was. She told him he should have no trouble there when he's in college, but DS told her that he intended to go to MIT. Not if you can't learn to do a somersault!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 10:17:35 GMT -5
How awesome for him! And I LOL'd at the somersault comment.
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