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Post by stayput on Feb 22, 2011 0:53:48 GMT -5
"President Obama and his big public employee unions have declared war on Wisconsin!
In the last 48 hours, the Democrat National Committee, Moveon.org, and even Obama’s Organizing for America have all converged in Wisconsin to create mass chaos.
Some have even described the militant, angry scene as “Cairo.”
Team Obama’s goal? To stop courageous Governor Scott Walker from stripping Big Labor’s power to hold taxpayers hostage.
For years, the public employees unions have threatened teacher walk outs, withheld essential public services, and even shutdown entire transportation grids.
It’s called a “job action.” And government unions use this coercive tool to force their greedy demands on weak, intimidated politicians.
It’s gotten completely out of control and it’s bankrupting America.
Remember how President Reagan began turning America around by firing air traffic controllers who went on strike?
Well, now Gov. Scott Walker is sending a message to public unions all over the country: taxpayers will no longer be bullied!
During a recent blizzard in New York City, the sanitation workers union was accused of sabotaging snow removal to protest budget cuts.
As reported by the New York Post, the government union protest “turned streets into a minefield for emergency-services vehicles.”
This made it nearly impossible for emergency services to help sick people, and several New Yorkers even died waiting for help.
But the red-flashing fact remains -- Obama and Big Labor doesn’t care.
They think: “Punish our enemies… Reward our friends...”
They know they must break the back of Governor Walker’s resolve in Wisconsin.
Because if they don’t, and he’s successful in taking back Wisconsin, many other states will follow his lead.
The “genie” will be out of the bottle.
Governor Walker is one of the most courageous governors in America, but he needs our support now.
You and the League of America Voters need to encourage him to stay strong.
We need to expose the big public unions in Wisconsin and other key states
The League has prepared a powerful new radio ad to air throughout Wisconsin in support of Gov. Walker.
The ad encourages Gov. Walker to stay strong and exposes how public employee unions are gouging the taxpayers.
Already, the far left is pouring millions into Wisconsin.
They urgently need you to help the League in the vital effort to support Gov. Walker and expose the unions America’s Future Is at Stake
The fact is, this is really about America, not just Wisconsin.
Government unions are planning a massive $30 million campaign for what FOX News calls “a desperate attempt to swing public opinion.”
Big Labor plans TV and newspaper ads, Wisconsin-style rallies, mass lobbying, and even more “job actions.”
Florida, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, Ohio, Missouri, New Hampshire, Maine, and Pennsylvania are next in line.
That’s because government unions know freedom is on the move, and they’re desperate for the power to hold taxpayers hostage, and bankrupt America.
Wisconsin is Waterloo. Help the League to support Gov. Scott Walker"
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 22, 2011 1:28:43 GMT -5
"President Obama and his big public employee unions have declared war on Wisconsin! In the last 48 hours, the Democrat National Committee, Moveon.org, and even Obama’s Organizing for America have all converged in Wisconsin to create mass chaos. Some have even described the militant, angry scene as “Cairo.” Team Obama’s goal? To stop courageous Governor Scott Walker from stripping Big Labor’s power to hold taxpayers hostage. For years, the public employees unions have threatened teacher walk outs, withheld essential public services, and even shutdown entire transportation grids. It’s called a “job action.” And government unions use this coercive tool to force their greedy demands on weak, intimidated politicians. It’s gotten completely out of control and it’s bankrupting America. Remember how President Reagan began turning America around by firing air traffic controllers who went on strike? Well, now Gov. Scott Walker is sending a message to public unions all over the country: taxpayers will no longer be bullied! During a recent blizzard in New York City, the sanitation workers union was accused of sabotaging snow removal to protest budget cuts. As reported by the New York Post, the government union protest “turned streets into a minefield for emergency-services vehicles.” This made it nearly impossible for emergency services to help sick people, and several New Yorkers even died waiting for help. But the red-flashing fact remains -- Obama and Big Labor doesn’t care. They think: “Punish our enemies… Reward our friends...” They know they must break the back of Governor Walker’s resolve in Wisconsin. Because if they don’t, and he’s successful in taking back Wisconsin, many other states will follow his lead. The “genie” will be out of the bottle. Governor Walker is one of the most courageous governors in America, but he needs our support now. You and the League of America Voters need to encourage him to stay strong. We need to expose the big public unions in Wisconsin and other key states The League has prepared a powerful new radio ad to air throughout Wisconsin in support of Gov. Walker. The ad encourages Gov. Walker to stay strong and exposes how public employee unions are gouging the taxpayers. Already, the far left is pouring millions into Wisconsin. They urgently need you to help the League in the vital effort to support Gov. Walker and expose the unions America’s Future Is at Stake The fact is, this is really about America, not just Wisconsin. Government unions are planning a massive $30 million campaign for what FOX News calls “a desperate attempt to swing public opinion.” Big Labor plans TV and newspaper ads, Wisconsin-style rallies, mass lobbying, and even more “job actions.” Florida, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, Ohio, Missouri, New Hampshire, Maine, and Pennsylvania are next in line. That’s because government unions know freedom is on the move, and they’re desperate for the power to hold taxpayers hostage, and bankrupt America. Wisconsin is Waterloo. Help the League to support Gov. Scott Walker" Just to be sure stayput, those aren't your words ,correct? Those are the Governors, nope not his either, just realized that, looks like one of those full page professional ads lobbiest put up in the media to influence people. You posted the whole statement , correct? Think proboards should charge you per word. Sounds like a political blow hard yapping but just wanted to make sure..a bill board for rhetoric..but how about better identifying it the next time ,I had to scrutinize it to see where it was coming from, realized first it wasn't your words, then thought it was the governors but after seeing the praise as if he, Governor, is the second coming, realized a political ad, but still no identyfication, source on it, that's not right from my standpoint. Readers , were ever possible should know from where they speak, if at all possible , if not the posters ideas and thoughts. Just my feelings on the matter, a little better factual posting and identification next time would be appreciated, other wise we end up with a board full of political ads as this one is,{tsk, tsk , not nice}
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 22, 2011 8:01:02 GMT -5
Just my feelings on the matter, a little better factual posting and identification next time would be appreciated, other wise we end up with a board full of political ads as this one is,{tsk, tsk , not nice}
Thanks for expressing your "feelings" but you might want to save it for someone that actually gives a shit. Are you a mod.. no? Then try real hard to come up with a semi coherent response to the post and let the mods deal with the format of the content. Those are just my feelings, of course.
Now, to my response. Walker, you have my full support and that of many Canadians to crush the greedy, money sucking unions and go even further to fire at least 25% of the entire workforce and let them go on welfare where they would most certainly end up. Then cut that off too.
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 22, 2011 8:26:25 GMT -5
What about the issue with the State Employees Unions who contribute megabucks to elect the same state legislators who they negotiate their salaries and benefits with??
Did you know the CA SEIU, and CA Teachers Unions contributed $millions to elect Governor Jerry Brown and other Dems in Sacramento, CA? So do you think Brown and the Dems will try to get the state workers to contribute more to their insurance and pensions or take away their collective bargaining rights? Not likely instead the tax payers have to pay more taxes and state fees to balance the CA state budget but the SEIU and Teachers are off limits.. If Wisconsin had a dem governor instead of a republican you might not have the protest today IMHO but rather the Wisconsin tax payers would be hit with higher taxes and the WI SEIU and WI Teachers would also be off limits...
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 22, 2011 8:35:08 GMT -5
Think Illinois _ Democrat governor and legislature - just raised our state income taxes by 66%
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Post by ugonow on Feb 22, 2011 8:38:15 GMT -5
And what about the workers whose industry lobbyists spend big bucks on favorable legislation for their industry or company? Or those workers whose companies contribute big bucks in hopes of getting government business? Maybe we need to strip voting rights,not bargaining rights?
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 22, 2011 8:45:13 GMT -5
Yea but the biggest expense by @20 states is their pension liabilities that some have claimed they cannot fund without concessions by the SEIU and Teachers Unions....and they have already raised taxes in some of these states. So these 20 governors face a complex and challenging issue. And no matter what they try to do there will be some who are not too happy with the results.
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Post by ugonow on Feb 22, 2011 9:01:33 GMT -5
So stripping bargaining rights will stop the governors of the state from borrowing from the fund, making dumb investments,and put the money back? No doubt costs have to be reigned in. That is the governors job.He should use his negiotion skills like politicians are expected to do. My town just got the local school district's contract reopened and they are giving concessions. Nothing wrong with playing hard ball, but there is when you just take the ball home to win.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 22, 2011 9:07:47 GMT -5
He should use his negiotion skills like politicians are expected to do. You mean like the dem state senators are? It's funny how the left only favors negotiation when they're in the minority.
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Post by zipity on Feb 22, 2011 9:11:20 GMT -5
I can't believe republicans are pulling the Reagan card in support of Walker. Reagan stood up to a union whose strike was devastating the air travel industry. Reagan offered to work with the union and gave the air traffic controllers multiple chances to return to work. When they defied him he brought the hammer down and fired them all. Walker on the other hand is a . The unions in WI have offered to take cuts in pay and benefits to ease the budget problems Walker inherited. However, afraid to negotiate with the unions, Walker is hiding behind the state legislature. “Punish our enemies… Reward our friends...” is exactly what Walker is doing. His candidacy was heavily supported by police, fire and state troopers so their unions have been exempted from his strong arm tactics...so far. Its understandable that pubs would want to worship Walker because their party is void of leadership, so be it. But to compare this with a man like Reagan who, like him or not, had the nads to go toe to toe with the USSR is idiotic. A better comparison might be someone like Sean Hannity, someone who has figured out how to get his 15 minutes of fame without really taxing his brain.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 22, 2011 9:13:12 GMT -5
IMHO, this question/battle is one of the most pivotal, important moments in American history, as important as the founding fathers work.
if we can't break the unethical hold and the cozy relationships between one way public unions and the politicians they own, the non public worker and the govt itself won't be able to survive.
after we tackle this, the bankers/corpratists politico relationship should be next. that'll be a much harder fight, as they have their own money and much more of it.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 22, 2011 9:20:18 GMT -5
However, afraid to negotiate with the unions, Walker is hiding behind the state legislature. “Punish our enemies… Reward our friends...” is exactly what Walker is doing. His candidacy was heavily supported by police, fire and state troopers so their unions have been exempted from his strong arm tactics...so far. Its understandable that pubs would want to worship Walker because their party is void of leadership, so be it. Where is the dem state senate leadership again? That's right...hiding out in IL because like 3 year old children, they're pouting because they can't get their way. Now there's some real leadership for you right there. And you call Walker a ? LMAO. At least he still shows up for work.
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Post by zipity on Feb 22, 2011 9:21:56 GMT -5
Did you know the CA SEIU, and CA Teachers Unions contributed $millions to elect Governor Jerry Brown and other Dems in Sacramento, CA?
Did you know that the activist right leaning justices on the current Supreme Court cleared the way for those unions to inject millions into the election process. Their misinterpretation of the 14th amendment which was designed to help republican candidates by allowing corporations to inject millions/billions into the political process had a nasty side effect, it also cleared the way for unions to spend millions/billions on democrat candidates OR in this case on Gov Walker. (thank you police, fire and state troopers) SO before you point the finger at unions and their political donations, point a choice finger at the supreme court and thank them for sticking their collective noses into the election process.
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Post by jkapp on Feb 22, 2011 9:27:21 GMT -5
>>The unions in WI have offered to take cuts in pay and benefits to ease the budget problems Walker inherited.<<
They were asked to do this three years ago...and again two years ago...and again last year. They continually spit in the faces of the taxpayers. Piss on the greedy, uncaring unions. The only reason they want to keep their bargaining rights is so they can reverse these concessions at the first opportunity. They are selfish, arrogant pricks and have held too much power and sway over our government and our pocketbooks for too long. It has to end.
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Post by zipity on Feb 22, 2011 9:34:48 GMT -5
That's right...hiding out in IL because like 3 year old children, they're pouting because they can't get their way. Now there's some real leadership for you right there.
Filibusters are terribly frustrating for the majority but at least Walker can hide behind his state troopers and order them to bring back the horrible evil democrats. Walker can end this and address his budget issues any time he wants, drop the collective bargaining restrictions and the state gets back to normal. Unfortunately he's not interested in solving the budget issues, he's focused on becoming a republican hero, which as I mentioned isn't overly difficult these days.
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Post by zipity on Feb 22, 2011 9:46:58 GMT -5
They were asked to do this three years ago...and again two years ago...and again last year. They continually spit in the faces of the taxpayers. Piss on the greedy, uncaring unions. The only reason they want to keep their bargaining rights is so they can reverse these concessions at the first opportunity. They are selfish, arrogant pricks and have held too much power and sway over our government and our pocketbooks for too long. It has to end.
They being all the unions EXCEPT police, fire and state troopers. I guess those unions are model citizens and never ask for anything. OF COURSE unions are going to refuse to give things up, they are going to get as much as they possibly can. Find me one person in business who doesn't negotiate to win, one negotiate who says "whatever you want will work for me, just sign the contract." The people in WI, in fact the people of most towns/states across the country, need to hire professional negotiates if they can't get a satisfactory agreement from the unions. Pretending that stripping collective bargaining is the way to balance the budget is silly.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 22, 2011 9:50:21 GMT -5
Fred Thompson I thought he retired when he announced his run for the Republican presidential nomination.
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Post by rockon on Feb 22, 2011 9:51:22 GMT -5
I have never had an issue with private sector unions because they create their own jeopardy when they bargain for wages or benefits that are unreasonable. On the other hand there are way to many conflicts with the way public sector employees can not only bargain for increases with out any risk or jeopardy they can actually use money and influence to decide who bargains with them. I do not approve of the way Walker is choosing to negotiate or the way Obama, Pelosi and Reed forced their agendas through but I do support what he is bargaining for.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 22, 2011 9:55:54 GMT -5
Filibusters are terribly frustrating for the majority Wouldn't one have to show up to work to filibuster? The dem senators fled the state and you say Walker's "hiding"...lmao. More point and blame politics...It's always the repubs fault. Right. Did I mention people aren't buying that crap anymore? Unfortunately, the state trooper's authority ends at the state line. and so can the dem senate "leadership" if they'd put on their big girl panties and show up for work like the good people of WI are paying them to do.
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Post by jkapp on Feb 22, 2011 10:00:44 GMT -5
>>Pretending that stripping collective bargaining is the way to balance the budget is silly. <<
It isn't to balance the current budget, it's too help keep balanced budgets in the future...because as soon as they can, these unions will get back to raping the taxpayer of everything they can.
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 22, 2011 10:13:24 GMT -5
If you really probe into this subject it boils down to two choices that the states have to make to balance their budgets and get out of the red:
1. Raise Taxes on the wealthy
2. Get Concessions from the state workers
Liberals seem to favor #1 and Republicans favor #2 and Moderates are trying to do both if you read the news coming from our state capitals lately But you also have Washington DC weighing in on state budgets which is only making this more political IMHO
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Post by jkapp on Feb 22, 2011 13:02:39 GMT -5
If you really probe into this subject it boils down to two choices that the states have to make to balance their budgets and get out of the red: 1. Raise Taxes on the wealthy 2. Get Concessions from the state workers Liberals seem to favor #1 and Republicans favor #2 and Moderates are trying to do both if you read the news coming from our state capitals lately But you also have Washington DC weighing in on state budgets which is only making this more political IMHO And the problem with No. 1 is, as other states have discovered, money is mobile. If the "rich" start getting taxed too much then they skip town with their money (and sometimes people's jobs) which makes the tax situation even worse. In Wisconsin, taxes are already very high - high property tax, both an income and a sales tax, high corporate taxes...there are breaking points and WI is teetering on the edge IMO.
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 22, 2011 13:25:50 GMT -5
Teachers expected back in WI classrooms today after the protests except for those who want to use their phoney notes from doctors and stay out for a few more days.
Dems senators are still AWOL in WI...so another impasse today because of the collective bargaining issue ...
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Democrats trigger Statehouse showdown over anti-union legislationHouse Democrats are leaving the state rather than vote on anti-union legislation, The Indianapolis Star has learned. A source said Democrats are headed to Illinois, though it was possible some also might go to Kentucky. They need to go to a state with a Democratic governor to avoid being taken into police custody and returned to Indiana. The House came into session this morning, with only two of the 40 Democrats present. Those two were needed to make a motion, and a seconding motion, for any procedural steps Democrats would want to take to ensure Republicans don’t do anything official without quorum. www.indystar.com/article/20110222/NEWS/110222004/House-Democrats-flee-Indiana-stop-votes?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|IndyStar.comMore Dems doing the will of their....?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2011 13:59:36 GMT -5
I am amazed how so many of you are so very informed on how things work in Wis. Are you as informed on every states fiscal business? It will all be ok in the end. Eventually the teachers will have no one to teach, police no one to police, a few firefighters will be very busy putting out the fires in all those vacant homes although not much compensation for it. They can all then come to rob your state. Enjoy!
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 22, 2011 14:07:53 GMT -5
I am amazed how so many of you are so very informed on how things work in Wis. Are you as informed on every states fiscal business? It will all be ok in the end. Eventually the teachers will have no one to teach, police no one to police, a few firefighters will be very busy putting out the fires in all those vacant homes although not much compensation for it. They can all then come to rob your state. Enjoy! Wisconsin is just the beginning of the negotiating between states and their state workers in order to get their state budgets completed this year. They can try to work with the unions or to work around them to reduce their deficits...
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 22, 2011 14:36:47 GMT -5
I can't believe republicans are pulling the Reagan card in support of Walker. Reagan stood up to a union whose strike was devastating the air travel industry. Reagan offered to work with the union and gave the air traffic controllers multiple chances to return to work. When they defied him he brought the hammer down and fired them all. Walker on the other hand is a . The unions in WI have offered to take cuts in pay and benefits to ease the budget problems Walker inherited. However, afraid to negotiate with the unions, Walker is hiding behind the state legislature. “Punish our enemies… Reward our friends...” is exactly what Walker is doing. His candidacy was heavily supported by police, fire and state troopers so their unions have been exempted from his strong arm tactics...so far. Its understandable that pubs would want to worship Walker because their party is void of leadership, so be it. But to compare this with a man like Reagan who, like him or not, had the nads to go toe to toe with the USSR is idiotic. A better comparison might be someone like Sean Hannity, someone who has figured out how to get his 15 minutes of fame without really taxing his brain. At the time of Reagan's firing of the Air Controllers , I thought it was a cheap political trick to show strength as a new President was challenged as he started his lst term. I was young and emotional at the time, also not a supporter of him either so that had a lot to do with my feelings I am sure, but subsequently after the event I did do some readings, listening to the talking heads of the time, so many less really, most medi was the papers and magazine articles of the weekly magazines, and while not a supporter of Reagan at the time, found what you said true. he did offer to negotiate the demands of the air controllers. They were over worked, worked to many hours, air lanes to crowded, poor outdated equipment due to previous Congresses not wanting to spend the $ to upgrade the monitoring of flights , the equipment needed and had legitimate concerns and problems, but for the countrys and industrys sake needed to return to work as thety sorted out all those problems. The union was obstinate and left him little choice but to fire them as they refused to return to work, in fact got more emboldened in their demands if i remember correctly, long time ago. Many did, cross the picket lines but most didn't. I got friendly with a young Army air controller who was sent to Bradley field in Connecticut as a replacement to work , rank was a spec 4/5 , not sure exactly , but no higher, so gives you a idea of how experienced in the field, and he told me he was not experienced enough, think only in the field a few years as those he replaced in any way shape or form but did what he could, and he was lucky to have a few experienced controllers as supervisors who had returned to work to call on if needed, many shifts were not so lucky. It was a dangerous time to fly actually, we were lucky in that I don't believe there were any accidents due to the change but not something I would like to see again. Your right , there is no comparison to that with this. In this case he got what was the fix for now, the concessions. Down the road problems, who knows what will be. Not necessary to push for that except his feelings of himself , .." Macho Man". He reminds me of those leaders of country's , movements that get a lot of people killed when in reality there were other solutions. Those who look for wars and play on the emotions of followers, and rile them to the point of losing control, thinking 'Oh yeah, if it's war you want, it's war you get " and rush home to arm themselves to do battle, while the leaders of the events..they make sure they stand well out of the line of fire ..their asses safe from harm.
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