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Post by steph08 on Jan 3, 2014 5:28:07 GMT -5
What I find personally offensive? Michael Bolton and those gosh-awful Honda commercials. You did not just say that.
I love those damn commercials, and I make sure I yell "I love those commercials" to DH every time one comes on.
Lonely Island's "Jack Sparrow" sure did wonders for resurrecting Michael Bolton's career!
You are all very welcome. Try not singing that song for the rest of the day.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 5:39:03 GMT -5
If it's for our homeschool group specifically, you can PLAN any kind of event you want. If people don't choose to go, they don't go.. But if it is a group event, not related to any kind of belief, ... Then you don't attach anything religious to that event... No group prayer before you ice skate for instance. Or, the last day of our groups' fall 6-week co/op ( not the same as the year long academic I was talking about that is seperate)... It ended on Oct 31, but there were no Halloween things at the picnic. If there will be things people might object to, they know ahead of time and can opt out. We generally have lots of choices available. I guess I don't understand the homeschooling structure. They aren't a government entity and if the majority if them are Christian, I don't see the big deal with what was done. They don't have to have separation of church/state...which is the big draw to homeschool for a lot of people. I don't think they have to... I think they should be as advertised. If they are a religious co/OP, why not say that ... If they want to be secular BE secular ( like our group is).. Im not sure how I got off on this tangent here, except to me its like the 'Merry Christmas' issue on some ways... Sometimes 'Christianness' is so ingrained that some people see not having everyone conform to their ideas as persecution, whereas they would never even consider allowing an alternative to be equal, let alone take the precidence they claim for themselves.... In this case, if you want a religious homeschool group, or co/OP, then you should join one, but this particular co/OP says its not... Because it can't recognize its own, for want of a better word, 'bias' ... Again, in, not sure exactly how I got off on this tangent... ETA: I guess to me it like the Christian Bookstore... If I'm going in there, or ordering from their catalog, obviously I'm going to understand that the scripture is going to be quoted and there will be certain undertones... But if I'm at Barnes and Nobel, I'm not looking for it... I just wish this co/OP would call themselves what they are, because otherwise the undertone/ sometimes overt tone, is not secular s they claim... As I would expect most business to be as well, which I guess is more to topic...
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 3, 2014 8:04:20 GMT -5
What gets me is someone says they are against everything a store/owner stand for but they will shop there if they can't get item somewhere else. DO WITHOUT THE ITEM. I love selective conscious awareness... As for the Merry Christmas debate, I don't give a flyin' F what anyone says. At least they say something - beats a grunt and fart
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 3, 2014 8:11:12 GMT -5
What gets me is someone says they are against everything a store/owner stand for but they will shop there if they can't get item somewhere else. DO WITHOUT THE ITEM. I love selective conscious awareness... As for the Merry Christmas debate, I don't give a flyin' F what anyone says. At least they say something - beats a grunt and fart Grunt and fart at the same time. Like attempting to rub your belly with one hand and pat your head with the other at the same time. Not as easy to do as it sounds.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 3, 2014 8:25:58 GMT -5
What gets me is someone says they are against everything a store/owner stand for but they will shop there if they can't get item somewhere else. DO WITHOUT THE ITEM. I love selective conscious awareness... As for the Merry Christmas debate, I don't give a flyin' F what anyone says. At least they say something - beats a grunt and fart I'm pro-life...but I would never boycott an establishment because the owners supported abortion or abortion causes. I find boycotting a business because the owners are Christian to be just as crazy. I can't imagine a thread on Muslim bashing (oh, every Muslim I ever met was a crook...they are all terrorists...I would never shop in their store because they had the nerve to wish me a "whatever holiday they celebrate")....or, I can't stand gays, they shove their flamboyance in my face...I won't shop at that store because their owner is gay. Seriously, you would all be up in arms but somehow it is ok to bash Christians...
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 3, 2014 8:26:48 GMT -5
As for the 'Happy Holidays' debate. We say we are a nation based upon Judeo-Christian values. In the month of December, we celebrate Hanukkah and Christmas and a week later, New Years day. So there are a number of holidays during the month of December. Some may celebrate one, two or even all three holidays.
So why not say 'Happy Holidays' as we are greeting and acknowledging the religious and secular holidays of the month of most everyone. And yes, I know New Years day is in January.
I personally wish others a Merry Christmas but it sure does not bother me one bit if someone wishes me a Happy Holidays as it is always wished with the best of intentions.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 3, 2014 8:44:27 GMT -5
What gets me is someone says they are against everything a store/owner stand for but they will shop there if they can't get item somewhere else. DO WITHOUT THE ITEM. I love selective conscious awareness... As for the Merry Christmas debate, I don't give a flyin' F what anyone says. At least they say something - beats a grunt and fart I'm pro-life...but I would never boycott an establishment because the owners supported abortion or abortion causes. I find boycotting a business because the owners are Christian to be just as crazy. I can't imagine a thread on Muslim bashing (oh, every Muslim I ever met was a crook...they are all terrorists...I would never shop in their store because they had the nerve to wish me a "whatever holiday they celebrate")....or, I can't stand gays, they shove their flamboyance in my face...I won't shop at that store because their owner is gay. Seriously, you would all be up in arms but somehow it is ok to bash Christians... I hope that is a rhetorical "you" I really have no clue what the religious/social issue are with most places I shop. I think all I was trying to say is the some people have this social concious that goes out the window when they want something from that store.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 3, 2014 8:52:23 GMT -5
I'm pro-life...but I would never boycott an establishment because the owners supported abortion or abortion causes. I find boycotting a business because the owners are Christian to be just as crazy. I can't imagine a thread on Muslim bashing (oh, every Muslim I ever met was a crook...they are all terrorists...I would never shop in their store because they had the nerve to wish me a "whatever holiday they celebrate")....or, I can't stand gays, they shove their flamboyance in my face...I won't shop at that store because their owner is gay. Seriously, you would all be up in arms but somehow it is ok to bash Christians... I hope that is a rhetorical "you" I really have no clue what the religious/social issue are with most places I shop. I think all I was trying to say is the some people have this social concious that goes out the window when they want something from that store. The "you" I was speaking to was directed at every person in this thread who is bashing Christians (the Christians I know are the most unethical, liars, worst employees, etc)...Muslim women show their religion by their dress. Isn't that flaunting their religion? Would it be ok to boycott her establishment because she was flaunting her religion?
I just find this entire thread to be hypocritical because a lot of the bashing is done by people who then insist that we are open and tolerant....
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 3, 2014 9:01:56 GMT -5
I hope that is a rhetorical "you" I really have no clue what the religious/social issue are with most places I shop. I think all I was trying to say is the some people have this social concious that goes out the window when they want something from that store. The "you" I was speaking to was directed at every person in this thread who is bashing Christians (the Christians I know are the most unethical, liars, worst employees, etc)...Muslim women show their religion by their dress. Isn't that flaunting their religion? Would it be ok to boycott her establishment because she was flaunting her religion?
I just find this entire thread to be hypocritical because a lot of the bashing is done by people who then insist that we are open and tolerant....
Ok, I feel better. I didn't think anything I had posted was bashing any group except the hypocrites that won't shop at a store unless they can't find it elsewhere. I have a very low tolerance for hypocrites!!!!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 3, 2014 9:03:08 GMT -5
The "you" I was speaking to was directed at every person in this thread who is bashing Christians (the Christians I know are the most unethical, liars, worst employees, etc)...Muslim women show their religion by their dress. Isn't that flaunting their religion? Would it be ok to boycott her establishment because she was flaunting her religion?
I just find this entire thread to be hypocritical because a lot of the bashing is done by people who then insist that we are open and tolerant....
Ok, I feel better. I didn't think anything I had posted was bashing any group except the hypocrites that won't shop at a store unless they can't find it elsewhere. I have a very low tolerance for hypocrites!!!! LOL! No, you just happened to be the post I quoted because I was answering the first part of your question...then I went off on a tangent!lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 9:04:04 GMT -5
Why does it have to come down to tolerating anything?
Religion isn't for me, but just because it's not for me doesn't make it wrong.
I don't have to tolerate other people's views -- what other people believe or don't believe has nothing to do with me anyway.
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Post by swamp on Jan 3, 2014 9:06:10 GMT -5
I hope that is a rhetorical "you" I really have no clue what the religious/social issue are with most places I shop. I think all I was trying to say is the some people have this social concious that goes out the window when they want something from that store. The "you" I was speaking to was directed at every person in this thread who is bashing Christians (the Christians I know are the most unethical, liars, worst employees, etc)...Muslim women show their religion by their dress. Isn't that flaunting their religion? Would it be ok to boycott her establishment because she was flaunting her religion?
I just find this entire thread to be hypocritical because a lot of the bashing is done by people who then insist that we are open and tolerant....
I know lots of very good people who are Christian. I also know some assholes who proclaim to be Christian. I just find the ones that proclaim their Christianness the loudest are the biggest assholes. The real Christians let their actions speak for themselves. They talk about God, but they don't make it their #1 conversation topic of choice.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 3, 2014 9:33:52 GMT -5
Why does it have to come down to tolerating anything? Religion isn't for me, but just because it's not for me doesn't make it wrong. I don't have to tolerate other people's views -- what other people believe or don't believe has nothing to do with me anyway. Lots of things aren't for me but if I started a thread bashing them I would be accused of being hateful, etc. But it is ok to bash Christians (I'm not religious, btw). I just find it hypocritical.
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Post by swamp on Jan 3, 2014 9:35:45 GMT -5
Why does it have to come down to tolerating anything? Religion isn't for me, but just because it's not for me doesn't make it wrong. I don't have to tolerate other people's views -- what other people believe or don't believe has nothing to do with me anyway. Lots of things aren't for me but if I started a thread bashing them I would be accused of being hateful, etc. But it is ok to bash Christians (I'm not religious, btw). I just find it hypocritical. We're not bashing Christians. We're bashing Christians who advertise their religion to get customers, and then act decidedly non Christian.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 3, 2014 9:37:02 GMT -5
The "you" I was speaking to was directed at every person in this thread who is bashing Christians (the Christians I know are the most unethical, liars, worst employees, etc)...Muslim women show their religion by their dress. Isn't that flaunting their religion? Would it be ok to boycott her establishment because she was flaunting her religion?
I just find this entire thread to be hypocritical because a lot of the bashing is done by people who then insist that we are open and tolerant....
I know lots of very good people who are Christian. I also know some assholes who proclaim to be Christian. I just find the ones that proclaim their Christianness the loudest are the biggest assholes. The real Christians let their actions speak for themselves. They talk about God, but they don't make it their #1 conversation topic of choice. As long as the same concept gets applied to other groups that are the loudest (GLAAD and Jessie Jackson types come to mind). The groups that take every comment that anyone ever made and turn it into a big, public cry for tolerance. I don't like anyone that tries to shove their views down my throat, but it seems that the Christians are the ones who get singled out on here.
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Post by swamp on Jan 3, 2014 9:38:15 GMT -5
I know lots of very good people who are Christian. I also know some assholes who proclaim to be Christian. I just find the ones that proclaim their Christianness the loudest are the biggest assholes. The real Christians let their actions speak for themselves. They talk about God, but they don't make it their #1 conversation topic of choice. As long as the same concept gets applied to other groups that are the loudest (GLAAD and Jessie Jackson types come to mind). The groups that take every comment that anyone ever made and turn it into a big, public cry for tolerance. I don't like anyone that tries to shove their views down my throat, but it seems that the Christians are the ones who get singled out on here.
They're asshats too. I'm an equal opportunity hater.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 3, 2014 9:40:51 GMT -5
Lots of things aren't for me but if I started a thread bashing them I would be accused of being hateful, etc. But it is ok to bash Christians (I'm not religious, btw). I just find it hypocritical. We're not bashing Christians. We're bashing Christians who advertise their religion to get customers, and then act decidedly non Christian.
If you read back through the thread, several posters (I don't remember which ones) made comments like "the worst employees we ever had were Christian, the biggest cheat I ever knew was a Christian, etc"....where I live the majority of people identify as Christians versus other religions...much like I also grew up in a predominantly white neighborhood. The fact that the majority of crime was committed by white people doesn't mean that white people are bad...it means that statistically, if you make up 98% of the population you are going to have more bad seeds than the other 2%. Same concept applies to Christians...
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 3, 2014 9:41:45 GMT -5
As long as the same concept gets applied to other groups that are the loudest (GLAAD and Jessie Jackson types come to mind). The groups that take every comment that anyone ever made and turn it into a big, public cry for tolerance. I don't like anyone that tries to shove their views down my throat, but it seems that the Christians are the ones who get singled out on here.
They're asshats too. I'm an equal opportunity hater. then I'm on the same page as you. I just get sick and tired of bashing Christians while we are expected to bite our tongues with the other annoying groups just because they are minorities.
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Post by swamp on Jan 3, 2014 9:42:24 GMT -5
We're not bashing Christians. We're bashing Christians who advertise their religion to get customers, and then act decidedly non Christian.
If you read back through the thread, several posters (I don't remember which ones) made comments like "the worst employees we ever had were Christian, the biggest cheat I ever knew was a Christian, etc"....where I live the majority of people identify as Christians versus other religions...much like I also grew up in a predominantly white neighborhood. The fact that the majority of crime was committed by white people doesn't mean that white people are bad...it means that statistically, if you make up 98% of the population you are going to have more bad seeds than the other 2%. Same concept applies to Christians...
Then they are being ridiculous. NOt all Christians are bad people, lazy, liars, whatever. But I still find the ones that advertise their religion the loudest are not the most honest people.
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Post by Pants on Jan 3, 2014 9:58:51 GMT -5
Things I do not have a negative reaction to: a single crucifix, cross, small shrine/statue, whatever inside a business, People saying "god bless you" or "assalamu alaikum" or "shalom" or whatever else when greeting or parting
Things I have a negative reaction to: Someone listing "religious" as one of their proof points for why they are qualified to provide something I need Someone quoting scripture (of any faith) to me in a business setting Someone who uses faith to mask or excuse poor behavior or service
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Post by swamp on Jan 3, 2014 10:02:48 GMT -5
If a believer says "God Bless you" in a sincere way, I take it as a compliment, even though I am agnostic, because I understand how important that is to that person.
When the super duper religious jerk attorney I deal with says "God Bless You" and the end of a phone conversation, I roll my eyes because I know he really means "Fuck You."
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 3, 2014 10:04:51 GMT -5
Things I do not have a negative reaction to: a single crucifix, cross, small shrine/statue, whatever inside a business, People saying "god bless you" or "assalamu alaikum" or "shalom" or whatever else when greeting or parting Things I have a negative reaction to: Someone listing "religious" as one of their proof points for why they are qualified to provide something I need Someone quoting scripture (of any faith) to me in a business setting Someone who uses faith to mask or excuse poor behavior or serviceI agree completely. I'm not religious but I say "God bless you" when someone sneezes. It is how I was raised and it is habit. If someone got offended by that, I would think they are an asshole.
Flip side, don't preach to me (at work or out of work). And by that, I don't want anyone preaching to me. I don't care what your religious beliefs are, I don't care what your political beliefs are, etc. I have my beliefs and you have yours....don't try to convince me yours are right and I will show you the same respect.
To be clear, my issue with this thread wasn't the fact that talking religion is in appropriate in a business setting (it is totally inappropriate). It was all of the "the Christians are the worst people that ever work for us" comments that pissed me off. Substitute Christians with any minority and there would be an uproar. I just wanted to clarify because I got off on a tangent.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 3, 2014 10:08:16 GMT -5
Molly: so with you on the Honda commercials. Although, I watched them carefully a few times and I honestly believe that Michael Bolton has a twinkle in his eye and a slight smirk on his face. I suspect he know how annoying/cloying they are and is laughing all the way to the bank. As for your friend's reaction: I am also with you -- you catch more bees with honey than with vinegar.
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Post by milee on Jan 3, 2014 10:11:46 GMT -5
The intent of the thread was not to bash Christians.
Actually, I didn't bring this up in the OP because it skirted too close to a religious discussion and was not the main point but my theory is not that Christians are bad/dishonest/aggressive, it's that the people who make a big deal out of being Christians in a business setting are often not truly Christian in their actions at all and the very fact that they're using their faith to inappropriately advertise/sell/convince is a sign that this is not really a Christian in many cases.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jan 3, 2014 19:25:40 GMT -5
We're not bashing Christians. We're bashing Christians who advertise their religion to get customers, and then act decidedly non Christian.
If you read back through the thread, several posters (I don't remember which ones) made comments like "the worst employees we ever had were Christian, the biggest cheat I ever knew was a Christian, etc"....where I live the majority of people identify as Christians versus other religions...much like I also grew up in a predominantly white neighborhood. The fact that the majority of crime was committed by white people doesn't mean that white people are bad...it means that statistically, if you make up 98% of the population you are going to have more bad seeds than the other 2%. Same concept applies to Christians...
This is the same reason that most people's examples in this thread have been christians, just because that is what most of us run into in this country. My Turkish friend complains about the Muslims in turkey that cover their hair and push the traditional teachings-because that is the predominant religion there. Many of the people posting in the thread are Christian. Still doesn't mean they want business people using that as an in. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards
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Post by grits on Jan 3, 2014 20:27:34 GMT -5
Saying you are something, and actually being it are two different things. Being taken to a church by your parents, and going through the motions doesn't make you of that faith. Claiming to be a non-practicing something means you aren't one.
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Post by moneymaven on Jan 4, 2014 23:37:56 GMT -5
I am very turned off by religion and politics in a business setting. Very.
Phrases like God Bless You, have a blessed day, merry this, happy that... I honestly don't care.
You know what I really hate though, when people show up at my door wanting to know if I've found God and then offer a special members only invite to their church/kingdom/whatever.
The last time they came by, my response was "you're lucky I even found my pants before I came to the door."
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 5, 2014 9:00:06 GMT -5
I am very turned off by religion and politics in a business setting. Very. Phrases like God Bless You, have a blessed day, merry this, happy that... I honestly don't care. You know what I really hate though, when people show up at my door wanting to know if I've found God and then offer a special members only invite to their church/kingdom/whatever. The last time they came by, my response was " you're lucky I even found my pants before I came to the door."
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 5, 2014 10:20:12 GMT -5
I am very turned off by religion and politics in a business setting. Very. Phrases like God Bless You, have a blessed day, merry this, happy that... I honestly don't care. You know what I really hate though, when people show up at my door wanting to know if I've found God and then offer a special members only invite to their church/kingdom/whatever. The last time they came by, my response was "you're lucky I even found my pants before I came to the door." Next time they come a-knockin, check the peep hole to determine who ìt ìs, remove your pants, and answer the door. Ask them if they have seen your pants. I guarantee they will never bother you again.
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Post by kilroy on Jan 5, 2014 17:02:34 GMT -5
I agree with Deminmaine that people's religion & their politics doesn't belong in their business dealings. I firmly believe that religion belongs in a person's home or their place of worship, nowhere else (but I'm an atheist and get tired of hearing about other people's beliefs. I guarantee you nobody I know knows what I (don't) believe. Oh, and one of the nastiest, most bigoted people I know is a friend of DH's who alternates between sending us emails about how anyone not exactly like her is evil and sending declarations of "How to be a good Christian like me".
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