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Post by chiver78 on Jan 2, 2014 15:17:26 GMT -5
That's exactly the way my boss was. And he did not like anyone trying to pull the religion trump card on him. And then he had to deal with me - the heathen that had him convinced that I practiced VooDoo and held Séances. We had a great working relationship though. lmao! I wish I could say I had a good working relationship with my old boss. he had all kinds of religious stuff displayed in his office. I'm not sure what flavor of Christian he is, nor was I interested enough to ask. the less I had to interact with him, the better. I will say that I was approaching the point of saying I was taking Halloween off for religious reasons though.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Jan 2, 2014 15:21:58 GMT -5
I have noticed religious objects at other types of businesses, but it seems the Tea Party-type Christians are the ones who are the loudest offenders. At the nail salon my sister & I like to go to, they have some sort of idol and they set out food for it. It sits up near the registers. My niece decided one day she was hungry and helped herself to a snack, much to the horror of those working there. I am pretty sure my sister could have died from embarassment.
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Post by wodehouse on Jan 2, 2014 15:31:37 GMT -5
"As cynical as his statement sounded..."
Actually, I don't find it cynical.
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Post by swamp on Jan 2, 2014 15:35:54 GMT -5
That's exactly the way my boss was. And he did not like anyone trying to pull the religion trump card on him. And then he had to deal with me - the heathen that had him convinced that I practiced VooDoo and held Séances. We had a great working relationship though. lmao! I wish I could say I had a good working relationship with my old boss. he had all kinds of religious stuff displayed in his office. I'm not sure what flavor of Christian he is, nor was I interested enough to ask. the less I had to interact with him, the better. I will say that I was approaching the point of saying I was taking Halloween off for religious reasons though. Hmm, I never would have considered you a Satanist..........
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 2, 2014 15:49:51 GMT -5
lmao! I wish I could say I had a good working relationship with my old boss. he had all kinds of religious stuff displayed in his office. I'm not sure what flavor of Christian he is, nor was I interested enough to ask. the less I had to interact with him, the better. I will say that I was approaching the point of saying I was taking Halloween off for religious reasons though. Hmm, I never would have considered you a Satanist.......... I'm not.....but it would have been fun just to see the reaction.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 2, 2014 15:58:10 GMT -5
I'm Catholic. Well, with a distinct and open preference for the Jesuits who preach the hippie-flavored "love one another" philosophy more so than strict Catholic dogma.
I am also not a fisher of men. In fact, I only tell people that I am Catholic as necessary background or to explain a particular situation. I am not and will never try to convert you to Catholicism. In fact, I am open to any and all approaches that lead to one simply being a good person and kind to others. I don't care if you worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster or nothing at all as long as you've got a compassionate, ethical, bone in your body (and a hefty dose of social justice in your heart).
So, an open, simple, declaration of faith is not enough to win my business. Actions speak louder than words. Are your prices reasonable and fair? Is your product or service well-built/reliable/safe/durable/etc. Do you provide solid customer service? Do you compete honestly and ethically in the market? If not, then keep your faith, I'm taking my business elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 16:06:05 GMT -5
I haven't experienced it through religion, I can't think of anyone that has said much about it in a work environment. Maybe they have said they saw so and so at church on the weekend but it was the same way I'd say I ran into someone at the grocery store. I find anyone that makes a big point of telling me how honest they are, what a great worker they are or how loyal they are generally isn't. The other one I like is when someone carries on about all the evil things they will do to someone that screws them over. They are generally the most powerless people around.
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Post by movingforward on Jan 2, 2014 16:06:09 GMT -5
IMO religion really has no place in business (The same way I believe religion has no place in politics). The flaunting of religion by a business is a complete turn off to me.
On a side note, I had new tires put on my car the day after Christmas. It was only going to take about an hour so I decided to just read a book and wait. There was a TV on in the waiting area and the mid-day news was talking about the holiday tree in my city. The lady sitting next to me yelled at the TV "IT IS A CHRISTMAS TREE. NOT A HOLIDAY TREE. IT WILL ALWAYS BE A CHRISTMAS TREE" (my city started calling it a holiday tree about 3 years ago). I just sat there reading my book. She then looks at me and says "don't you think it should be called a Christmas tree." Hmmm... honestly, I don't care what it is called... they could call it a dog pissing tree for all I care... I just responded by saying that calling it a holiday tree helps to incorporate other religions. She then goes on a rant about how everyone is trying to kill Christmas (which always makes me LOL). I finally had to get up and walk away.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 16:14:31 GMT -5
I have never really experienced this. I don't believe that religion has a place in business.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 2, 2014 16:21:04 GMT -5
IMO religion really has no place in business (The same way I believe religion has no place in politics). The flaunting of religion by a business is a complete turn off to me. On a side note, I had new tires put on my car the day after Christmas. It was only going to take about an hour so I decided to just read a book and wait. There was a TV on in the waiting area and the mid-day news was talking about the holiday tree in my city. The lady sitting next to me yelled at the TV "IT IS A CHRISTMAS TREE. NOT A HOLIDAY TREE. IT WILL ALWAYS BE A CHRISTMAS TREE" (my city started calling it a holiday tree about 3 years ago). I just sat there reading my book. She then looks at me and says "don't you think it should be called a Christmas tree." Hmmm... honestly, I don't care what it is called... they could call it a dog pissing tree for all I care... I just responded by saying that calling it a holiday tree helps to incorporate other religions. She then goes on a rant about how everyone is trying to kill Christmas (which always makes me LOL). I finally had to get up and walk away. I've had a few interactions like that this year, that I've gotten dragged into about as willingly as you were. after letting the person finish ranting, I quietly ask them what they would say to a Pagan that might rant about their holiday being usurped....and then I walk away. I was raised in the same teachings as what GRG posted, probably in some of the same physical churches knowing how close she lives to where I grew up. but I'm not about to listen to anyone who thinks they have any business shoving their religion down my throat.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 2, 2014 16:31:22 GMT -5
For me, the most alarming example is an OB-GYN who doesn't prescribe birth control because it conflicts with his/her faith.
That doctor took the Hippocratic Oath swearing to "first, do no harm".
If one is a licensed OB-GYN who denies a woman who needs birth control based upon one's Pro-Life beliefs, then the doctor has harmed her (physically, emotionally, psychologically, economically) and, frankly, any subsequent unplanned children.
OB-GYNs, by their very occupation, IMHO, must be able to provide birth control to their patients in good conscience and in honest, nonjudgmental, counsel.
The only faith that matters between OB-GYNs and their patients is the patient's. End of discussion.
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Post by Bonny on Jan 2, 2014 16:36:25 GMT -5
I always thought that if you wanted to convert people to your religion then you should lead by example. In other words how you treat people and conduct yourself.
Talk is cheap.
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Post by Timberwolf on Jan 2, 2014 17:00:57 GMT -5
I always thought that if you wanted to convert people to your religion then you should lead by example. In other words how you treat people and conduct yourself.
Talk is cheap. Bonny I totally agree with it that people should show their faith instead of just talk about it, but the flip side of that is that is that a lot of times the standards are impossibly high for the person of faith to live up to. For example, a person of faith could have done everything right for two weeks straight, lets say, and the second they slip and do something considered not in line with thier beliefs, the observer say "you hypocrite"
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Jan 2, 2014 17:01:05 GMT -5
For me, the most alarming example is an OB-GYN who doesn't prescribe birth control because it conflicts with his/her faith. That doctor took the Hippocratic Oath swearing to "first, do no harm". If one is a licensed OB-GYN who denies a woman who needs birth control based upon one's Pro-Life beliefs, then the doctor has harmed her (physically, emotionally, psychologically, economically) and, frankly, any subsequent unplanned children. OB-GYNs, by their very occupation, IMHO, must be able to provide birth control to their patients in good conscience and in honest, nonjudgmental, counsel. The only faith that matters between OB-GYNs and their patients is the patient's. End of discussion. EEK! How do they keep patients? I could understand refusing to do abortions in some cases, maybe. But the patient should at least be referred to another provider that can assist if the particular doctor has an objection. Heck, I am as pro-life as they come and even I could understand that one. Honestly, I am so sick of the Hobby Lobby refusal to cover birth control with the new health care laws. I get that people have different views on it. But you are their employer, not their conscience. Let the employees decide what types of services they need. And Hobby Lobby claiming a religious exemption seems so absurd to me. Its a retail outlet, not a seminary or some other place who's primary "business" is only religion.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jan 2, 2014 17:07:59 GMT -5
Am I alone in this? Who else feels this way? Or who else has had the opposite experience and seeks out religious people to transact business with? ...you're not alone... ...granted, I happen to keep an eye out for other believers... clergy are kinda funny that way...
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 2, 2014 18:22:59 GMT -5
Am I alone in this? Who else feels this way? Or who else has had the opposite experience and seeks out religious people to transact business with? Where I live, we often have very severe weather (thunderstorms and tornado watches) late winter and spring. When my home was built, the shingles were attached to the roof with a staple gun. So when these severe storms with strong winds would come late winter, I could count on a shingle to two to be blown off.
So it is spring time many years ago. Severe weather is predicted on Sunday. I need to get a few shingles replaced before the storms hit so no potential leaks in the house. I contact a roof repair guy on Thursday. He says he will stop by and repair the roof Friday and quotes me a price. I take the day off from work. I need to be there to pay him. He's a no-show Friday. I call him Friday night and he apologizes for not showing. He states he will come Saturday.
He's a no-show on Saturday. It is too late to call someone else to repair the roof. I call him Saturday evening and he swears he will be there Sunday.
He shows up Sunday and repairs the roof. He hands me the bill. It is double the estimate he gave me on Thursday. I ask him why the high price. He told me does not work on Sundays. I disgustedly pay him as I needed the roof repaired. He hands me his business card and it states he is a "Christian roofer".
Where was this guy when he promised me he would be there Friday and Saturday?!? Not very nice of him to leave me hanging.
The guy is not representative of all Christian roofers let alone all Christian folks in business. But I am hesitant to do business with anyone who advertises they are a Christian 'this or that' on their business cards. And I have yet to tell the difference between a roofer and a Christian roofer. The roof work looks the same by either party.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 2, 2014 18:39:20 GMT -5
Tennesseer - you had no interaction with him to cause his no-shows, I'd have thrown the bill back in his face and told him that. what would he have done, ripped out the shingles he put in? wow, just wow.
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Post by grits on Jan 2, 2014 18:52:08 GMT -5
There is an enormous difference between devout, and hypocritical. A devout person may live out their faith but they are real. Hypocrites come in all shapes, sizes, religious belief systems, genders, political parties, etcetera.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jan 2, 2014 18:52:15 GMT -5
I would have paid the original quoted price and left it at that. He could take it or leave it.
You should have taken the bill, and deducted the difference from the original quote to charge HIM for your time lost.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 2, 2014 18:54:26 GMT -5
Tennesseer - you had no interaction with him to cause his no-shows, I'd have thrown the bill back in his face and told him that. what would he have done, ripped out the shingles he put in? wow, just wow. Without mentioning the business card, I spread the word at my employer's headquarters (where I worked) not to use the undependable guy. I also filed a complaint with the BBB. He never responded.
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Post by simser on Jan 2, 2014 18:55:07 GMT -5
There is a construction company that we deal with from time to time that's very religious (Baptist) and he has either an ad for his church, the church's preschool or a pro-life ad on every one of his trucks. Makes me uncomfortable. My dad's previous business partner at one of the companies was very religious (Baptist) and I know after he retired and dad bought him out people started mentioning things. Apparently they did not appreciate him quoting the bible to them when they'd stop in to drop off the mail or parts.
I'm an atheist and while I claim to understand religion I really don't. I respect people's right to have their own opinions and beliefs but if I'm being 100% honest I just plain don't get it.
DH and I only get things from Hobby Lobby that we can't get elsewhere because we are not comfortable with their super religious views. But that's just me. Your average Catholic shopper or whatever probably doesn't notice the religious signs and decorations. I'm catholic, and shop at hobby lobby. I shop there because I'm cheap, and I like their line of products. I do notice the religious stuff. I don't buy the religious stuff. My baptist preacher friend will- but I don't decorate with Christian art (more offbeat stuff like periodic tables that I love!).
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Post by kittensaver on Jan 2, 2014 18:59:15 GMT -5
I always thought that if you wanted to convert people to your religion then you should lead by example. In other words how you treat people and conduct yourself.
Talk is cheap. Bonny I totally agree with it that people should show their faith instead of just talk about it, but the flip side of that is that is that a lot of times the standards are impossibly high for the person of faith to live up to. For example, a person of faith could have done everything right for two weeks straight, lets say, and the second they slip and do something considered not in line with thier beliefs, the observer say "you hypocrite" We have a really good example of this at work right now! Two of our employees got together last spring and started dating (everyone was fine with it because neither is a manager and they will never report to each other). Three months ago she announced that she is pregnant. Everyone is happy for them and supportive of her needs while she is at work. He refuses to move in with her, however. The reason? He comes from a fundamentalist family and it's a sin to live together before marriage!
Um, yeah buddy, I think that ship has already sailed . . . YOUR GIRLFRIEND IS PREGNANT BY YOU, AND YOU'RE NOT MARRIED TO HER. Can you say "hypocrite"?
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Jan 2, 2014 19:07:10 GMT -5
I didn't know about the views of the family that owns Hobby Lobby. I went in there once at midsummer, so didn't have any idea that they were anti-semites. I will never buy anything from them again.
As far as people who mention their religions in passing, as long as they just keep it at a minimum, it doesn't bother me. If they mentioned it during a job interview, then I would have to give them a pass if I was the interviewer.
I've known some very good people, and some very bad people, who wore their religions on their sleeves. The good people could get a little tiresome, but I didn't think of them as hypocrites.
If someone wants to ask me about my faith, I will discuss it with them, and answer any questions that they have about it to the best of my ability. I guess to that extent, I am a fisher of men. But the person needs to show me that they want communication from me about my beliefs. I don't push them on anyone who is just in the vicinity. I am quite an eclectic Catholic, too.
That being said, I think they should be called Christmas trees, not "holiday" trees. Hindus, Jews and Muslims don't seem to use them in their holiday celebrations !
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 2, 2014 19:07:15 GMT -5
I don't think anyone should talk religion or politics in a business setting. I'm just as uncomfortable when people yammer on about gay rights, etc. Those are personal views and not appropriate in a business setting. If an interviewee talked about anything that most people know are "taboo" would not hire them. I don't want to be reached to at work by Bible Bangers or lefties who take offense to every freaking word someone says.
That said, my one aunt is EXTREMELY religious...I mean, that woman has a direct line to God! She lives what she believes. I often wonder what people that don't know her as well think of her. Don't get me wrong, her bible thumping gets on my nerves, but I truly believe she is honest about her views.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Jan 2, 2014 19:08:03 GMT -5
Bonny I totally agree with it that people should show their faith instead of just talk about it, but the flip side of that is that is that a lot of times the standards are impossibly high for the person of faith to live up to. For example, a person of faith could have done everything right for two weeks straight, lets say, and the second they slip and do something considered not in line with thier beliefs, the observer say "you hypocrite" We have a really good example of this at work right now! Two of our employees got together last spring and started dating (everyone was fine with it because neither is a manager and they will never report to each other). Three months ago she announced that she is pregnant. Everyone is happy for them and supportive of her needs while she is at work. He refuses to move in with her, however. The reason? He comes from a fundamentalist family and it's a sin to live together before marriage!
Um, yeah buddy, I think that ship has already sailed . . . YOUR GIRLFRIEND IS PREGNANT BY YOU, AND YOU'RE NOT MARRIED TO HER. Can you say "hypocrite"? Whaaa ?! That's just awful. And stupid, too.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 2, 2014 19:11:46 GMT -5
At my dad's Catholic mass funeral, everyone in my family and extended family rose up to receive communion except my niece and me. Most if not all of them had not visited a confessional booth in decades.
My niece has very strong religious beliefs so I asked her why she did not go up for communion. She told me the Catholic church considered unmarried couples living together to be a sin. She was to be married (and did marry) 30 days later. She said once she was married she would begin again receiving communion.
I was (and am) extremely proud of her for beliefs and practices.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 19:19:01 GMT -5
My pagan friends put up a tree...
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 2, 2014 19:19:01 GMT -5
Tennesseer - you had no interaction with him to cause his no-shows, I'd have thrown the bill back in his face and told him that. what would he have done, ripped out the shingles he put in? wow, just wow. Without mentioning the business card, I spread the word at my employer's headquarters (where I worked) not to use the undependable guy. I also filed a complaint with the BBB. He never responded. word of mouth makes or breaks many a business. is that one still operating? I wonder if that business owner ever realized what an impact he made on the perception of his business.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Jan 2, 2014 19:21:00 GMT -5
My pagan friends put up a tree... Yes, that is true, oped. I forgot about the significance of the yule tree in pagan beliefs. So, I am corrected on that. And, if any one wants to put up a Christmas tree, it's fine with me. I just don't think that a " holiday " tree is any better name than a " Christmas " tree.
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Post by swamp on Jan 2, 2014 19:23:54 GMT -5
I have Jewish friends that put up Christmas trees.
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