Phil & Duck Dynasty- UPDATE: A&E Caves

[mmhmm]

I've never seen Duck Dynasty.  Even if I were a television fan, I wouldn't want to watch Duck Dynasty.  My family was from Louisiana.  I was raised in Oklahoma.  I know about rednecks from first-hand experience.  I didn't enjoy it then, and I doubt very seriously I'd like it any more today.  I can say this:  I did see black people mistreated right along with anyone else who didn't march to the chosen drummer.  I was there for the integration of schools.  It was ugly.  Very ugly.

[Tennesseer]

Phil probably never saw this picture.



Happy blacks and happy whites.

[mmhmm]

Some of us don't need the picture, Tennesseer.  We saw the equivalent with our own eyes.

[Tennesseer]

How about school student Ruby Bridges, age 6, being escorted by U.S. marshalls into a newly integrated school in Louisiana. This was in 1960, when Phil was 13 years old. Did Phil live in a vacuum?

[Sum Dum Gai]

Maybe they were too poor to own a radio back in the day. The world was a much smaller place back then.

[Deleted]

I never said he didn't have a right to say it... He does. And I have the right not to agree and say so, and A&E have the right to suspend him.... Etc...

I do wonder if it's just a stunt though, the suspension...

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

I don't think A&E are suing him - he's merely suspended from production (for now). His opinions weren't even expressed on the show - or the network. They were expressed in GQ.

[thyme4change]

Dec 21, 2013 17:22:55 GMT -5 frankq said:

That being gay is a sin and black people weren't mistreated and were happier under Jim Crow.

Just for the record, did Mr. Robertson

 actually say the words "happier under Jim Crow" anywhere in the GQ interview or are people just plugging the "Jim Crow" thing in because it's a good sound bite?

Clearly I paraphrased.  Jim Crow comes into context because of the man's age and his statement was clearly referring to a specific time.

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Yes, bad autocorrect there... I'll fix it...

[Tennesseer]

Dec 21, 2013 20:04:23 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Maybe they were too poor to own a radio back in the day. The world was a much smaller place back then.

A radio or television may not have been available to him, at least not at home.

In the absence of either, there would have been talk in school about the forced integration of whites-only Louisiana schools and the fight against ìt.  He did go to school and I imagine he had access to newspapers in high school and college.

[vandalshandle]

I am not sure where this protest is coming from. i watched this show once, and as far as I could tell, it was an updated reality version of the Beverly Hillbillies. I just assumed that the only audiance they had was a group of white, ignorant ,red neck, conservative white trash...
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[vandalshandle]

Dec 21, 2013 19:23:49 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I've never seen Duck Dynasty.  Even if I were a television fan, I wouldn't want to watch Duck Dynasty.  My family was from Louisiana.  I was raised in Oklahoma.  I know about rednecks from first-hand experience.  I didn't enjoy it then, and I doubt very seriously I'd like it any more today.  I can say this:  I did see black people mistreated right along with anyone else who didn't march to the chosen drummer.  I was there for the integration of schools.  It was ugly.  Very ugly.

New Orleans closed every public swimming pool in the city limits rather than intergrate them.

[mmhmm]

Dec 22, 2013 1:58:59 GMT -5 vandalshandle said:

Dec 21, 2013 19:23:49 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I've never seen Duck Dynasty.  Even if I were a television fan, I wouldn't want to watch Duck Dynasty.  My family was from Louisiana.  I was raised in Oklahoma.  I know about rednecks from first-hand experience.  I didn't enjoy it then, and I doubt very seriously I'd like it any more today.  I can say this:  I did see black people mistreated right along with anyone else who didn't march to the chosen drummer.  I was there for the integration of schools.  It was ugly.  Very ugly.

New Orleans closed every public swimming pool in the city limits rather than intergrate them.

I remember so many ugly things from that time, vandals.  They aren't pleasant memories for those of us who lived them, and they don't just disappear because you wish they would, do they?

[mmhmm]

Dec 21, 2013 20:04:23 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Maybe they were too poor to own a radio back in the day. The world was a much smaller place back then.

Nah.  Integration of schools was the talk of the town wherever it was happening.  There's no way he didn't know.  

[Green Eyed Lady]

Nobody can say for sure what he knew and what he didn't know.  If a person had read about his life at all, they know he freely owns up to the fact that he wasn't a very nice man when he was younger.  He freely admits to all kinds of things that most people wouldn't admit to.  I can't see why, all of a sudden, he would just start lying.  If he says that the people who he grew up with and worked with appeared happy, I believe that is what he saw.  At no point did he say those people were a representation of the entire world.

Someone here mentioned facts and that nobody has the right to manufacture their own set.  That includes us here on this message board.  I don't agree with some of things he said in this interview.  But not because I've manufactured those remarks to be hateful and blown what he did say way out of proportion.  If a person wants to be mad - fine.  But be mad for the right reasons and not for something that has been exaggerated.

There are people in this world who are never going to think that homosexuality is ok - just as there are people in this world who are never going to think worshipping God is ok.  If a person wants to be able to live the lifestyle they choose, they must give others the same courtesy. 

I've not seen one person here (except for the original quote posting) who made mention of his response of loving all people.  I guess that doesn't deserve a mention because it doesn't paint him to be some hateful bigot, eh?

As for A&E?  They have as much right to suspend him from the show as he has to make the statements he made.

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I never said he was being maliciously hateful. But If he's using his impressions of a small group of people within a finite, controled, environment to suggest that people were better off pre social/civil interventions... He is drawing some pretty faulty conclusions. I sometimes think pervasive, insidious misinformation, even if 'good intentioned', is more dangerous than outright hate.... As it gives some semblance of rationality, which it does not deserve and which is easier for those willing and eager to adopt. 

I was never surprised by the homosexual thing. The race thing was more disturbing to me, for that reason. It's kind of like Herman Cain ... He wasn't being malicious when he said those things to women, he just really couldn't seem to understand why they were inappropriate... A much larger issue.

There were quite a few contradictions in his statements. It's hard to marry 'love, don't judge' with... 'Dont be fooled, you are a sinner and won't inherit the kingdom'.... 

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 21, 2013 17:22:49 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Disclaimer - I don't watch Duck Dynasty, I have never seen an episode. Nothing ever made me interested in it.

That said, that guy called more than homosexuality a sin. He included adulterers (which at least includes heterosexuals, but I think by definition they are heterosexual). He included people that sleep around. He included drunks and liars and folks that are greedy. That covers a lot of folks. Shouldn't everyone be pissed off at him?

Not everyone is so thin-skinned??

This man is very religious. Reading his statements, he said nothing wrong. People might disagree with what he said and that is fine. What I find hilarious is that the gay and lesbian communities surely aren't his target audience. I doubt the majority if fans of Duck Dynasty care that he has ultra conservative thoughts because they are most likely ultra conservative.

The show is a power house (I don't watch it) so I have no doubt that if they don't continue on A&E that another network will pick the. Up. So everyone can stick to their principals :-)

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 21, 2013 17:28:40 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Dec 21, 2013 17:26:05 GMT -5 frankq said:

Yeah, AA and those newly liberated hookers in Canada are meeting with legal council as we speak. Obama is none too happy either.......

Oh good! There's a couple of groups in there I identify with. I get to be mad at him too!

I'm in a few of those groups, too! We need to band together to make our demands heard...or, we can just kick back and have some drinks :-p

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 21, 2013 20:10:56 GMT -5 oped said:

I never said he didn't have a right to say it... He does. And I have the right not to agree and say so, and A&E have the right to suspend him.... Etc...

I do wonder if it's just a stunt though, the suspension...

The show brings in a shitload of money for the network. I will be curious to see where A&E winds up in this issue. Will they stand behind their prinicipals and let the show go (I've read that the other family me here won't continue if Phil is given the boot) and lose all the revenue? Or will they be hypocrites and let the show run?

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2013 1:57:34 GMT -5 vandalshandle said:

I am not sure where this protest is coming from. i watched this show once, and as far as I could tell, it was an updated reality version of the Beverly Hillbillies. I just assumed that the only audiance they had was a group of white, ignorant ,red neck, conservative white trash...
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Which is why I don't know why A&E would want to suspend him. His bought a align with his fan base. I highly doubt liberal-progressives are watching his show. I've never seen his show and I'm about as far from liberal as one could get! I do admit that after all of his hoopla I do want to check the show out in support of Phil. Heck,'maybe A&E pulled this stunt to up their ratings :-p

[billisonboard]

The ninth-century Buddhist master Lin Chi is supposed to have said, “If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.” Like much of Zen teaching, this seems too cute by half, but it makes a valuable point: to turn the Buddha into a religious fetish is to miss the essence of what he taught. www.shambhalasun.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=2903Itemid=247

[The Captain]

What I find sad and disturbing is that we as a nation are more focused on the words of a reality TV star then the acts of atrocity committed by our government.

worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/12/21879956-officials-us-drone-strike-kills-13-in-yemen-wedding-convoy

Perhaps that is the whole idea.

[jkapp]

Dec 21, 2013 12:36:38 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 21, 2013 12:32:49 GMT -5 frankq said:

64% may think it should be legal, but that doesn't mean that 64% agree with it......These special interest groups get a lot of mileage out of our ridiculously politically incorrectness in America. I wonder how far we would get if we proposed running a Heterosexual Pride parade every year or creating a White Entertainment Network for television. What about an organization like the NAACP for whites? How long do you think it would be before we would be branded bigots?

If a person doesn't agree with gay or lesbian relations, they shouldn't indulge in gay or lesbian relations.  It's really quite simple.  They shouldn't, however, feel their disagreement is grounds to control what others might do/believe, IMO.

Well tell that to the gay community...anytime someone says they believe homosexuality is a sin, the gay community goes on a rampage denouncing that person's beliefs and tries to silence the person's words.  Why can't they just accept that someone doesn't accept their lifestyle?

And people complain about people pushing their religion on others...no one forces their beliefs on others more than the gay community!

[mmhmm]

Dec 22, 2013 10:43:25 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Dec 21, 2013 12:36:38 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

If a person doesn't agree with gay or lesbian relations, they shouldn't indulge in gay or lesbian relations.  It's really quite simple.  They shouldn't, however, feel their disagreement is grounds to control what others might do/believe, IMO.

Well tell that to the gay community...anytime someone says they believe homosexuality is a sin, the gay community goes on a rampage denouncing that person's beliefs and tries to silence the person's words.  Why can't they just accept that someone doesn't accept their lifestyle?

And people complain about people pushing their religion on others...no one forces their beliefs on others more than the gay community!

Seems to me whenever anyone says they don't agree homosexuality is a sin and those who believe it is a sin should mind their own business, the same thing happens.  The Christian community gets their tails in a fluff and screams they're being persecuted.  Again, that sword cuts both ways.

I haven't had any gays knocking on my door to extol the virtues of being gay.  I've had plenty of Christian folks knocking on my door to convince me to join their church, however.  I'm quite willing to live and let live.  I'll be polite to the religious people who knock on my door, but I will turn them away.  I won't go to Gay Pride parades, but I don't care if the gays have such parades if the cities in which they're held allow them.  Other people's beliefs and lifestyles aren't any of my affair as long as they don't encroach on my life, or harm someone else.

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2013 10:43:25 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Dec 21, 2013 12:36:38 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

If a person doesn't agree with gay or lesbian relations, they shouldn't indulge in gay or lesbian relations.  It's really quite simple.  They shouldn't, however, feel their disagreement is grounds to control what others might do/believe, IMO.

Well tell that to the gay community...anytime someone says they believe homosexuality is a sin, the gay community goes on a rampage denouncing that person's beliefs and tries to silence the person's words.  Why can't they just accept that someone doesn't accept their lifestyle?

And people complain about people pushing their religion on others...no one forces their beliefs on others more than the gay community!

I agree with this. And just because you think homosexuality is a sin doesn't mean you are wishing ill will on gays. My aunt is a lesbian and my grandmother was extremely religious. She loved her daughter very much but would cry because in her heart she believed her daughter was committing a sin and would go to hell.

So if a reporter would have asked my grandma is homosexuality was a sin she would have said yes and quoted scripture. What they wouldn't see was the love my grandma had for my aunt and how she had no problem being at my aunts parties with her gay friends.

Hate the sin, not the sinner

[mmhmm]

Dec 22, 2013 10:57:26 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 10:43:25 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Well tell that to the gay community...anytime someone says they believe homosexuality is a sin, the gay community goes on a rampage denouncing that person's beliefs and tries to silence the person's words.  Why can't they just accept that someone doesn't accept their lifestyle?

And people complain about people pushing their religion on others...no one forces their beliefs on others more than the gay community!

I agree with this. And just because you think homosexuality is a sin doesn't mean you are wishing ill will on gays. My aunt is a lesbian and my grandmother was extremely religious. She loved her daughter very much but would cry because in her heart she believed her daughter was committing a sin and would go to hell.

So if a reporter would have asked my grandma is homosexuality was a sin she would have said yes and quoted scripture. What they wouldn't see was the love my grandma had for my aunt and how she had no problem being at my aunts parties with her gay friends.

Hate the sin, not the sinner

I can agree, MT.  However, I would add that just because a gay person resents being told he's committing some kind of dreadful sin doesn't mean he/she's wishing ill will on Christians, either.  The gay person is simply living their life, as is the Christian person.

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2013 10:53:09 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 22, 2013 10:43:25 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Well tell that to the gay community...anytime someone says they believe homosexuality is a sin, the gay community goes on a rampage denouncing that person's beliefs and tries to silence the person's words.  Why can't they just accept that someone doesn't accept their lifestyle?

And people complain about people pushing their religion on others...no one forces their beliefs on others more than the gay community!

Seems to me whenever anyone says they don't agree homosexuality is a sin and those who believe it is a sin should mind their own business, the same thing happens.  The Christian community gets their tails in a fluff and screams they're being persecuted.  Again, that sword cuts both ways.

I haven't had any gays knocking on my door to extol the virtues of being gay.  I've had plenty of Christian folks knocking on my door to convince me to join their church, however.  I'm quite willing to live and let live.  I'll be polite to the religious people who knock on my door, but I will turn them away.  I won't go to Gay Pride parades, but I don't care if the gays have such parades if the cities in which they're held allow them.  Other people's beliefs and lifestyles aren't any of my affair as long as they don't encroach on my life, or harm someone else.

I agree and disagree. I have had bible bangers show up at my door trying to convince me of their ways. I e never had a gay person show up at my door.

But it seems to me (and I am neither religious or gay so I have no skin in the game) that the gay community wants to punish everyone who doesn't accept their lifestyle or choices. They believe everyone should a felt them but they aren't willing to accept people who believe differently.

You can't have it both ways. Either we are a very accepting country, open to everyone's views, or we aren't. But it is hypocritical to say that everyone has to a Celt the gay lifestyle but the Christians need to keep their mouths shut.

Like someone said earlier, if you don't believe in a gay relationship, don't have one. I agree with that. But I also take it a step further. You don't agree with the church, don't go to church. You don't agree with Phil Robertson, don't watch his show. We don't have to agree with one another but we do have to respect one another. I saw nothin disrespectful in any in he said...the gays just didn't like his views.

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2013 11:00:26 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 22, 2013 10:57:26 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I agree with this. And just because you think homosexuality is a sin doesn't mean you are wishing ill will on gays. My aunt is a lesbian and my grandmother was extremely religious. She loved her daughter very much but would cry because in her heart she believed her daughter was committing a sin and would go to hell.

So if a reporter would have asked my grandma is homosexuality was a sin she would have said yes and quoted scripture. What they wouldn't see was the love my grandma had for my aunt and how she had no problem being at my aunts parties with her gay friends.

Hate the sin, not the sinner

I can agree, MT.  However, I would add that just because a gay person resents being told he's committing some kind of dreadful sin doesn't mean he/she's wishing ill will on Christians, either.  The gay person is simply living their life, as is the Christian person.

Take it a step further...gays can't be fired just for being gay. But they sure as hell do their best to get other people fired who believe differently. That is the issue I have with this. If Phil Robertson had someone fired from his show just because they were gay, I would say he deserved to be fired. All he did was express an opinion. His opinion caused the gay community to demand he be penalized. How is that fair?

[mmhmm]

But it seems to me (and I am neither religious or gay so I have no skin in the game) that the gay community wants to punish everyone who doesn't accept their lifestyle or choices.

How, exactly, do the gays want to punish people, Miss Tequila?  The gay people I know don't believe their "gayness" to be a choice, and several of them are Christians.

As to Phil Robertson, I've never seen the guy, and don't want to see him.  However, his beliefs are his beliefs and are none of my affair.

[mmhmm]

Dec 22, 2013 11:06:50 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 11:00:26 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I can agree, MT.  However, I would add that just because a gay person resents being told he's committing some kind of dreadful sin doesn't mean he/she's wishing ill will on Christians, either.  The gay person is simply living their life, as is the Christian person.

Take it a step further...gays can't be fired just for being gay. But they sure as hell do their best to get other people fired who believe differently. That is the issue I have with this. If Phil Robertson had someone fired from his show just because they were gay, I would say he deserved to be fired. All he did was express an opinion. His opinion caused the gay community to demand he be penalized. How is that fair?

You'd have to ask A&E.  They're the ones who let him go.  My comments here have been general comments.  I'm not particularly interested in Phil Robertson or his opinions.