Phil & Duck Dynasty- UPDATE: A&E Caves

[frankq]

That being gay is a sin and black people weren't mistreated and were happier under Jim Crow.

Just for the record, did Mr. Robertson

 actually say the words "happier under Jim Crow" anywhere in the GQ interview or are people just plugging the "Jim Crow" thing in because it's a good sound bite?

[frankq]

Dec 21, 2013 17:22:49 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Disclaimer - I don't watch Duck Dynasty, I have never seen an episode. Nothing ever made me interested in it.

That said, that guy called more than homosexuality a sin. He included adulterers (which at least includes heterosexuals, but I think by definition they are heterosexual). He included people that sleep around. He included drunks and liars and folks that are greedy. That covers a lot of folks. Shouldn't everyone be pissed off at him?

Yeah, AA and those newly liberated hookers in Canada are meeting with legal council as we speak. Obama is none too happy either.......

[Deleted]

Dec 21, 2013 17:26:05 GMT -5 frankq said:

Dec 21, 2013 17:22:49 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Disclaimer - I don't watch Duck Dynasty, I have never seen an episode. Nothing ever made me interested in it.

That said, that guy called more than homosexuality a sin. He included adulterers (which at least includes heterosexuals, but I think by definition they are heterosexual). He included people that sleep around. He included drunks and liars and folks that are greedy. That covers a lot of folks. Shouldn't everyone be pissed off at him?

Yeah, AA and those newly liberated hookers in Canada are meeting with legal council as we speak. Obama is none too happy either.......

Oh good! There's a couple of groups in there I identify with. I get to be mad at him too!

[frankq]

My apologies to Mr. Robertson, as I have been misspelling your name in previous posts.........Just trying to be accurate......lol

[chiver78]

Dec 21, 2013 17:19:11 GMT -5 frankq said:

Dec 21, 2013 16:45:33 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I'm not privy to it either, but if there wasn't a clause like that in it, then Phil Robinson would likely have already filed a lawsuit against A&E for the suspension/termination. since that hasn't happened, I'm comfortable with my educated guess about the contents of the contract. YMMV

I know that you are, but the rest of us are not as confident in your assumption as you are. I am also suspect of your assertion of having made an "educated guess" . I am fully confident, however, that neither you, nor the rest of us have any idea of what is in said contract. In addition, Mr. Robinson exhibited no BEHAVIOR  but only stated a PERSONAL view. Lets leave the legal stuff to those that have the knowledge shall we? YMMV?

you can be suspect of whatever you like. enjoy your night.

[frankq]

Here's an excerpt from the interview:
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2525924/Duck-Dynasty-star-Phil-Robertson-blasted-linking-homosexuality-bestiality-controversial-new-interview.html

On growing up in pre-civil-rights-era Louisiana

'I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field.... They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, "I tell you what: These doggone white people" - not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.'

Hmmmmmmm........I don't see Jim Crow in here, but I do see that Phil is slinging a cotton hoe right there with them because he is, as he puts it, "white trash".....It looks to me like he was comparing the then and the now and back then he, and other "white trash" were in the same boat as blacks.....so what's the big issue?

And to continue according to the Dailymail:

"Phil, who claims to be devoutly Christian, then grouped homosexuals in with terrorists and prostitutes in a paraphrased Bible quote."
He said: 'Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers - they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.'

Is it me? Am I just not seeing the part about terrorists being grouped together with homosexuals here?

[shelby]

I mostly find the whole part about buttholes and vaginas the most offensive and vulgar (but I am a bit of a prude). I am not surprised about his opinions on gay people and black people, they are rednecks we all know it. But maybe A&E wants to hold a higher standard than say TLC who have shows like honey booboo or toddlers and tiaras. Because they actually care about their reputation....possibly

But also they wouldn't want to persecute Christians

[frankq]

you can be suspect of whatever you like. enjoy your night.

And you can pretend to know what you're talking about....Enjoy yours too.

[Deleted]

'We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love 'em, give 'em the good news about Jesus - whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort 'em out later, you see what I’m saying?'

This is where he lumped them in with terrorists frank. The rest of that quote is kinda interesting.

[AGB]

Dec 21, 2013 17:48:24 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

'We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love 'em, give 'em the good news about Jesus - whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort 'em out later, you see what I’m saying?'

This is where he lumped them in with terrorists frank. The rest of that quote is kinda interesting.

I find the entire context interesting.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 21, 2013 17:37:45 GMT -5 frankq said:

Here's an excerpt from the interview:
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2525924/Duck-Dynasty-star-Phil-Robertson-blasted-linking-homosexuality-bestiality-controversial-new-interview.html

On growing up in pre-civil-rights-era Louisiana

'I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field.... They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, "I tell you what: These doggone white people" - not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.'

Hmmmmmmm........I don't see Jim Crow in here, but I do see that Phil is slinging a cotton hoe right there with them because he is, as he puts it, "white trash".....It looks to me like he was comparing the then and the now and back then he, and other "white trash" were in the same boat as blacks.....so what's the big issue?

Robertson was born in 1947.  Medgar Evers was assinated in 1963.  Robertson would have been 16 years old.  Black and white civil rights activist in the south were being murdered as late as 1964.  Robertson would have been 17.

Is it possible what Robertson believed was happy silence of his black co-workers was actually fear of murder for speaking out?

[Deleted]

Dec 21, 2013 17:54:13 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 21, 2013 17:37:45 GMT -5 frankq said:

Here's an excerpt from the interview:
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2525924/Duck-Dynasty-star-Phil-Robertson-blasted-linking-homosexuality-bestiality-controversial-new-interview.html

On growing up in pre-civil-rights-era Louisiana

'I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field.... They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, "I tell you what: These doggone white people" - not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.'

Hmmmmmmm........I don't see Jim Crow in here, but I do see that Phil is slinging a cotton hoe right there with them because he is, as he puts it, "white trash".....It looks to me like he was comparing the then and the now and back then he, and other "white trash" were in the same boat as blacks.....so what's the big issue?

Robertson was born in 1947.  Medgar Evers was assinated in 1963.  Robertson would have been 16 years old.  Black and white civil rights activist in the south were being murdered as late as 1964.  Robertson would have been 17.

Is it possible what Robertson believed was happy silence of his black co-workers was actually fear of murder for speaking out?

It's possible Tenn. But that wouldn't change that Robertson believed it was happy silence.

[justme]

Just wondering - In Christianity is there a hierarchy of sins, or is a sin is a sin is a sin? I kind of always thought it was the latter, but it's been a ridiculously long time since I went to church.

[mtman]

Dec 21, 2013 16:37:36 GMT -5 frankq said:

I don't think people for the most part have an issue with gay people. I think many people have an issue with having gay people constantly remind everybody else that they are gay and feel the need to rub the faces of the rest of us in it. Who cares? As for 1967, it's a non-issue. As for Mr. Robinsons comments about the black community, it has to be remembered that the man grew up in a time and place very different than today, and bear in mind that his family was no better off than anyone else back then, black or white but they managed and, in his case, even prospered with no help from anyone else and, apparently, no public aid. While I don't agree necessarily agree with the way he expressed himself, I do agree that we have created a welfare state that benefits many people that it shouldn't. The show is about self proclaimed "Rednecks" and the "Redneck" stuff they do. It shouldn't come as a big surprise to hear comments that could be construed as "Redneck" commentary.

Should be nominated for Post Of The Month

[Tennesseer]

Dec 21, 2013 17:57:56 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Dec 21, 2013 17:54:13 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Robertson was born in 1947.  Medgar Evers was assinated in 1963.  Robertson would have been 16 years old.  Black and white civil rights activist in the south were being murdered as late as 1964.  Robertson would have been 17.

Is it possible what Robertson believed was happy silence of his black co-workers was actually fear of murder for speaking out?

It's possible Tenn. But that wouldn't change that Robertson believed it was happy silence.

The history of the South has told us otherwise. 

[Tennesseer]

Dec 21, 2013 18:10:26 GMT -5 mtman said:

Dec 21, 2013 16:37:36 GMT -5 frankq said:

I don't think people for the most part have an issue with gay people. I think many people have an issue with having gay people constantly remind everybody else that they are gay and feel the need to rub the faces of the rest of us in it. Who cares? As for 1967, it's a non-issue. As for Mr. Robinsons comments about the black community, it has to be remembered that the man grew up in a time and place very different than today, and bear in mind that his family was no better off than anyone else back then, black or white but they managed and, in his case, even prospered with no help from anyone else and, apparently, no public aid. While I don't agree necessarily agree with the way he expressed himself, I do agree that we have created a welfare state that benefits many people that it shouldn't. The show is about self proclaimed "Rednecks" and the "Redneck" stuff they do. It shouldn't come as a big surprise to hear comments that could be construed as "Redneck" commentary.

Should be nominated for Post Of The Month

An honor you and your posts can only dream about.

[Deleted]

Dec 21, 2013 18:10:49 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 21, 2013 17:57:56 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

It's possible Tenn. But that wouldn't change that Robertson believed it was happy silence.

The history of the South has told us otherwise. 

All I can do is repeat that though Robertson is wrong, it is what he "saw". And that is what he talked about. What he saw with his own eyes.

To me this is a case of him having the right to be wrong. He was not spouting hate or advocating for laws or saying nasty things about anyone. He rhymed of a lot of things that he considers sins that included homosexuality but wasn't limited to it. I wonder what grounds A&E suspended him on.

[mtman]

Dec 21, 2013 18:08:30 GMT -5 justme said:

Just wondering - In Christianity is there a hierarchy of sins, or is a sin is a sin is a sin? I kind of always thought it was the latter, but it's been a ridiculously long time since I went to church.

Our church teaches that sin is sin.....Gays will be judged no better or worse, than murderers.

[Deleted]

Dec 21, 2013 18:08:30 GMT -5 justme said:

Just wondering - In Christianity is there a hierarchy of sins, or is a sin is a sin is a sin? I kind of always thought it was the latter, but it's been a ridiculously long time since I went to church.

It depends which denomination you follow. Catholics have a hierarchy. Most Protestants don't. Funny, a former Catholic friend of mine just mentioned today that he was going to hell by the eighth grade for lusting and masturbating lol Yes that came up in a normal conversation! Don't judge me!

[wvugurl26]

If you know anything about the show I don't know why his views should be surprising. They talk about God often on the show and in their various books. Their children go to a private Christian school. They are far from the only religious people in the country to believe that way.

I'd be willing to be the GQ reporter phrased the question several different ways until they got the controversial soundbite they were looking for.

Myself I don't expect everyone to agree with my views. It'd be a boring world that way. The only people who generally annoy me are those trying to shove their opinions down my throat ala Westboro Baptist. I've watched all the episodes of Duck Dynasty and I don't get that vibe.

A&E does not have to keep him on the show and the rest of the cast is free to side with Phil and leave as well. As for the contract about behavior, well I think we'd all do well to quit looking to tv stars, movie stars, musicians and famous for nothing types for our moral guidance. I watch the show for entertainment not for moral guidance.

[Deleted]

He is entitled to his own experience (ie. I never saw the mistreatment of any black person)... He is NOT entitled to his own facts... Ie. That no black person was ever mistreated, or false equivocation by concluding that, therefore, "Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.'"

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Unfortunately, (Phil) Robertson expressed his freedom of speech and opinions in the GQ interview and people have since twisted his words this side of Sunday.

A&E has suspended him from any current/future tapings (at least for now) - but his opinion and comments were his, and his alone.

Yes, he's from a generation where homosexuality was viewed as a sin - and it's hard to change an old dog's habits. He's a strong believer in his faith - and he probably didn't expect his comments to raise such an uproar - if it had been anyone on the street who made the same comments, we never would have heard about it.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Dec 21, 2013 18:18:14 GMT -5 mtman said:

Our church teaches that sin is sin.....Gays will be judged no better or worse, than murderers.

Wow - there are no words....

[Deleted]

oped I took it that he was talking specifically about the black people he saw regularly, not all black people. I take it on par with saying that my family was poor growing up but we were happy. Obviously that was my perspective as a kid. There is a good chance my parents saw it differently but very few people are going to call me out on saying it.

[Deleted]

Oh no.   A millionaire got kicked off a TV show.     Pardon me if I don't give a shit.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 21, 2013 18:18:14 GMT -5 mtman said:

Dec 21, 2013 18:08:30 GMT -5 justme said:

Just wondering - In Christianity is there a hierarchy of sins, or is a sin is a sin is a sin? I kind of always thought it was the latter, but it's been a ridiculously long time since I went to church.

Our church teaches that sin is sin.....Gays will be judged no better or worse, than murderers.

How about racists?

[steff]

Dec 21, 2013 17:22:49 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Disclaimer - I don't watch Duck Dynasty, I have never seen an episode. Nothing ever made me interested in it.

That said, that guy called more than homosexuality a sin. He included adulterers (which at least includes heterosexuals, but I think by definition they are heterosexual). He included people that sleep around. He included drunks and liars and folks that are greedy. That covers a lot of folks. Shouldn't everyone be pissed off at him?

I chose to stop watching the show a long time ago because his of attitude & condescending words about women.

He has every right to say whatever he wants.  He has every right to worship however he wants.  But when he is representing a network or company, they do not have to provide him with the platform for his free speech or his choice of religion.  They have every right to protect their product & make no mistake, Duck Dynasty is THEIR product.  Duck Commander is the Robertson's product.  The comment A&E release stated that there are many gays who work on the show & they were offended.  Cracker Barrel is the first sponsor to pull out to a certain extent.  A&E has a responsibility to their other employees, not just the Robertson's. 

No one has taken away Phil's right to free speech or freedom of religion.  His EMPLOYER has decided that they do not want to be associated with what he has said.  And he is just an employee of A&E.  Duck Dynasty may be a hit show, but it did not create the A&E network. 

[justme]

Dec 21, 2013 18:19:25 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Dec 21, 2013 18:08:30 GMT -5 justme said:

Just wondering - In Christianity is there a hierarchy of sins, or is a sin is a sin is a sin? I kind of always thought it was the latter, but it's been a ridiculously long time since I went to church.

It depends which denomination you follow. Catholics have a hierarchy. Most Protestants don't. Funny, a former Catholic friend of mine just mentioned today that he was going to hell by the eighth grade for lusting and masturbating lol Yes that came up in a normal conversation! Don't judge me!

Ah, it changing by denomination makes sense on why I wasn't sure which it was!

[Deleted]

I took it as him generalizing his experience to the larger population.  Bringing up entitlement programs, it seems he is suggesting people being better without them, and that would apply to more than just the people he personally knew.

He also can't really conclude that the people he worked with were happy... Just because they never complained to him. I'm guessing they weren't in a position to complain much on the job...

eta... Yes you can say you were happy, he can say he was happy, but his concluding that even just all the black people he knew were happy, well...

[Deleted]

I agree that he was wrong. But I don't see where he was being hateful saying what he believed. By being honest he is giving people a chance to show him the difference. A great chance for conversation.